Well i think its time I started on my first phase change prodject (ive done one before, but with ALOT of help) So ill probly be asking some questions...
This is the compressor thats going to be used...
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Well i think its time I started on my first phase change prodject (ive done one before, but with ALOT of help) So ill probly be asking some questions...
This is the compressor thats going to be used...
Im using that compressor and i love it, quiet after changing to mineral oil and very powerfull
LRA 46.3? whats that out of? a commercial rooftop ac unit?
Your definately off to a good start. Nice low temp compressor:D
I remember him getting that compressor wholesale on ebay from a pallet... I'm gona be starting mine as soon as I fine the stuff I need still.
Good luck Chong :) What are you doing? Chiller or direct die?
yea, that was a while back too...
Direct die.
Ah... I'm going chiller here.
Good luck :toast:
Looks nice what refrigerant are u going to use for it ?
Mmmm going to the big bad boi direct die, good luck.
At this point, probly propane, but i still might do something a little colder.Quote:
Originally posted by Farbror
Looks nice what refrigerant are u going to use for it ?
made a run to home depot today to pick up some supplies, i should be placing an order at Johnstone Supply later this week to get everything else. Here are some slightly wet supplies (i went through the worst storm I have ever seen here comming back, coudnt see more than 4 feet infront of you on the freeway) Oh and i managed to find another compressor, not sure what im going to do with it yet...
Good luck man. Ive got that compressor as well but have not put it to use. Cant wait to see how your rig turns out
went ahead and compleated the mounting board...
Whats the stuff on the left? Whered you find the flaring tool in Home Depot? And is that the TS4000 torch? Mines awesome :D
Use the other compressor as a vacuum pump.
Do you need a bussiness account to order at johnstones?
On the left? not sure what your refering too...Quote:
Originally posted by afireinside
Whats the stuff on the left? Whered you find the flaring tool in Home Depot? And is that the TS4000 torch? Mines awesome :D
Use the other compressor as a vacuum pump.
Do you need a bussiness account to order at johnstones?
yea its the same torch, havnt got to use it yet though :/ still raining bad outside.
Yea, I probly will be doing that.
Im not sure to be honest, but i think you should be able to order online pretty easily... where did you pick up your stuff from?
So far I got all my stuff from rparts.com. Gota go ebay hunting for a recovery tank, vacuum pump, and some other stuff...
hmmm, Propane...
ill probably be using that on mine also, is there a special kind you need to use? like a high purity propane? or does any old propane get the job done?
to the best of my knowledge there shouldnt be any diffrence.Quote:
Originally posted by Çhrist0ph
hmmm, Propane...
ill probably be using that on mine also, is there a special kind you need to use? like a high purity propane? or does any old propane get the job done?
ok, i drew this up real quick (can ya tell?) anything im missing? The cap tube forumula is right as far as i can tell. (going for 200w)
The drawing looks fine though some people like the high side valve before the condensor though and maybe the cap is a bit long I worked out about 5 feet and if you are going propane about 4 feet.:)
Cheers.
Other than the captube which I dont know how to size it looks right. Put the highside valve before the condensor tho.
ahh thanks, guess i screwed up the gas calculations, So I guess ill start with 4.5 and tweak it from there...Quote:
Originally posted by Omega1
The drawing looks fine though some people like the high side valve before the condensor though and maybe the cap is a bit long I worked out about 5 feet and if you are going propane about 4 feet.:)
Cheers.
is there any way to experiment with cap tube lengths without having to re-braze and re-charge your system? Sounds like a very time consuming part of tuning a system to its best...
Nice Chong, what temps are you expecting with the Propane?
OPP
The high side access is not strictly needed, but is a plus when evacuating or fine tuning. It can be on either side of the condenser, but is more accurate for trouble shooting and fine tuning purposes at the condenser outlet. The best would be a frontseating service valve at the condenser outlet, which can be used for pumpdown as well as access.
When sizing the cap tube (and everything else) everyone seems to skim over the all important key question in system design, i.e "What is your heat load?".
Not quite sure, looking for something around -50 though, im really not sure what a fairly large compressor like this can do, ive never worked with them before.Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Nice Chong, what temps are you expecting with the Propane?
OPP
Im going for 200w, does 4.5 seem right to you? Mind its .026Quote:
Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
The high side access is not strictly needed, but is a plus when evacuating or fine tuning. It can be on either side of the condenser, but is more accurate at the condenser outlet. The best would be a frontseating service valve, which can be used for pumpdown as well as access.
When sizing the cap tube (and everything else) everyone seems to skim over the all important key question in system design, i.e "What is your heat load?".
Heres mu GPU cooler.
It's filled with R22, does -53C Idle, -46C load.
OPP
What size compressor is it using opp?
I would go with 2M/6.5ft of .026, assuming propane, and even this may be too restrictive for 200W.Quote:
Im going for 200w, does 4.5 seem right to you? Mind its .026
It's 3/4 HP.Quote:
Originally posted by KennethChong
What size compressor is it using opp?
OPP
What size cap tube are you using, Opp? And at what heat load are you getting -46C?
No clue about the cap tube size.Quote:
Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
What size cap tube are you using, Opp? And at what heat load are you getting -46C?
This was built by DaGooch and Baker youd have ask them about details. All I did was insulate and re wire it.
Can't tell you about heat load either:D A Radeon at 642MHz with 2.06V runing 3D03,, if it helps.
OPP
Alright, sounds good then...Quote:
Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
I would go with 2M/6.5ft of .026, assuming propane, and even this may be too restrictive for 200W.
OPP, nice system, makes me curious about what im going to get with this one...
That's a high temp compressor, runmc. You may be confusing the manufacturer's BM number (larger print) with the model number below it (smaller print).Quote:
Your definately off to a good start. Nice low temp compressor
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postid=434769
what level of vacuum do you hope to get befoer charging system with R290?
Can a high temp compressor be successfully incorporated into a cascade, if yes, what's the *extra engineering* required?Quote:
Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
That's a high temp compressor
There is a difference in valve ports and relative motor sizing, so with a high temp compresssor you want a little larger compressor to get the same performance as the low temp compressor. Otherwise a compressor is a compressor is a compressor. It sucks the vapor in one pipe and pushes it out the other.
BTW, although not entirely accurate either, comparing the cc displacement is a better way to judge compressors than comparing HP, assuming the same 50/60Hz. A 60Hz motor spins 20% faster than a 50Hz motor, so puts out 20% more work.
Your right Gary!! I was looking at that "Big Fat 1" at the top.Quote:
Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
That's a high temp compressor, runmc. You may be confusing the manufacturer's BM number (larger print) with the model number below it (smaller print).
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postid=434769
You know when I typed that statement about low temp I thought to myself, "Boy, are you blowing out your --- again. :confused:
Sad but true...:D
Tecumseh has been fooling everyone with that little trick for as far back as I can remember... LOL
If only Bristol would catch on... maybe then they'd sell more of their garbage.
Got to love the fine print there.. "Never expose compressor to field leak test pressures greater than 150psig."
placed the order for my captube, and about to place the order for my condencer. Hopefully ill get the evap worked out soon, im thinking about cutting my own, but im not too sure.
Kenneth
I paid $75 Complete for the Herefishy Evap assy that I used.( Bought It from "MickeyMouse")
You might want to PM him or Herefishy and see If either one of them has another one for sale like this.
BTW: You'll need to Braze this to the Suction line using a MAPP/Oxygen torch 'cause I tried it with just a propane torch and it wouldn't get hot enough to braze the SS Flex to the Copper Line. :p:
HomeDepot sells a small MAPP/Oxy torch kit for @$50.:D
I messaged him about it, i dont think hes making any at the moment, so looks like im looking for someone else to make it. :/
Ya, i have a MAPP torch, takes too long to do anything with propane. Just havnt a hard time finding brazing rods here, guess ill just order some online.
I got most of my supplies from www.johnstonesupply.com If that helps you any.
What kind of condenser did you finally decide on?
The one that Herefishy made, I have pretty much everything right now besides the evap and a stainless steel flexible hose, cant seem to find that.
That was a good choice.
My Herefishy condenser works VERY good(In/out air temp diff.) In my Sys.
Have you tried http://www.xtwerkz.com/black_projects.htm for your evap/hose?
ahh perfect, i was wondering where people bought those from, thanks for the link!
Anytime Man!:up:
Just wondering how you fix in the captube if you buy a baker block
that is already brazed up or do they come with the cap already brazed in?
cheers.
EDIT:Don't worry found the answer.
Here's his homepage about his projects he has made, mayby something of interest there.
http://www.icecoldcomputing.com/index.php
hehe, i deleted my post when i found the page, thanks though.
Thanks for telling me Kenneth, Thought I was Losing It for a Moment when I replied to your Post!:p: