Any one running this cobo? I just ordered A64 3400 mobile from newegg thinking and hopping that the mobile may be a better cut of the waffer. I hope we can run the mobiles in the NF150 chipsets with no conflicts with clock-gen
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Any one running this cobo? I just ordered A64 3400 mobile from newegg thinking and hopping that the mobile may be a better cut of the waffer. I hope we can run the mobiles in the NF150 chipsets with no conflicts with clock-gen
hmm is there any diference between the mobiles and the desktop chips with the a64s besides the missing heatspreader? less volts?
I thought they were default at 1.3v or so? Or maybe i'm just making stuff up. Not sure.
voltage is 1.5 same as the desktop cpu.
since all newer desktop chips support cool n quiet wich is basically like power now i think theres no diference between mobiles and desktop chips...
i say they wil be the cherry piced cores and probly will oc beter then the desktop ones. but then again thats just me thinking positive :toast: i will buy one once i hear how people are making out with them? probly a good idea to try and get one out of the first batch? ill be ordering one soon....
peace perc,
If it was mine i´d be pretty happy with the ideia, just the tought of no heatspreader, that should really bump the clock, and keep it running cool.
Actually I have already removed the IHS from the 3400 I have now and it only helped by 2c. It took some modin to get the promi head to lower enough just to contact the cpu. I cut the legs on the mount bracket more than 1/2, did some filing to make clearance for a few chips under the mount and then I also lowered the metal attachment bracket, I also use 4 washers on each screw.
yopu still not getting 27,000 CP ;) hehe J/K
I would think these chips will run cooler just becasue you dont want hot laptop chips..
FX51 is still the way to go fully unlocked all Cherry picked CPU's capable of 2.8-3ghz on prommy DC controller, ability to run 1-2ghz of ram at 2-2-2-6 at high fsb's with no issues like on A64 754 and so on and so on :)
I think I heard something about lowering thermal resistance, so they might just been cherry cpu's that run a little cooler than the average.
I amm interested to see how they do.
keep us posted , one of these DTR A64's might be my next purchase
I thought the mobiles wouldn't run on the newer boards?
Athlon XP was no problem, but Athlon 64?
Has anyone really tried that out? Sounds really interesting.
I don't think anyone has tried out a 64 mobile in any mb yet.Quote:
Originally posted by Radical_53
I thought the mobiles wouldn't run on the newer boards?
Athlon XP was no problem, but Athlon 64?
Has anyone really tried that out? Sounds really interesting.
It's on it's way and is scheduled to arrive Thur. Any time before the weekend is fine by me :D I hope I get a 3ghz chip, it would be sweet and top ten bound
I found my mobile 64 sitting on my door step when I got home from work today :banana: It's a hr or so later and I'm clicking right along at 2.58 with 1.75v to the cpu.
There is some minor issues with the mobile: apon boot it runs with a 4x multiplier, wich I was able to change with clock-gen.
I will post more as I figure out how this thing OC's
How were you able to change it in clockgen? Were you able to select other mutli's or just the correct one?
What are your temps like?
Nice oc, maybe you will be able to get a little more out of it.
I'm sure this isn't the best it can do. Still at 1.75 vcore and only 3.18 on the mem at 1 to 1 card clocks on this run was my start-up clocks of 465/385
hmm.. so the only differance is no heatspreader on the mobiles?
does that help anything even?
damn nice. 2.76 @ 1.744v and 3dstable? I don't know a64's too well, but looks like a good chip to me :D
That is under your mach2 right? Did you have to do any modding to get good contact?
Damn nice man...keep it coming :toast:
Man seriously why can't they unlock the freaking multiplier. Would help alot :):)
Is there any performance drop between normal and mobile a64?
Cheers,
Nick
Their new system of unlocking multis lower than the stock multi is a good idea from a sales stand point. If you want higher multis you have to buy the better procs. No more buying a 2500 and using 15x. As long as they have high enough multi's available. Right now it is kind of annoying, but for them it is probably a good thing...atleast i think so. They could have done what intel did and give us no options at all.
From what I've read these are not the true mobile chips, but the desktop replacements. The true mobile64's have yet to be released. They are pretty much identical to the standard 3200 sans the heatspreader. They are supposedly based on the CG cores which offer some thermal benefit. Make sure your mobo will support the CG core 64's... ;) Temps should be better w/out the h/s, though some heatsinks won't fit w/out modification b/c of the missing h/s. ;)
Yeah, that's what they are...atleast as far as I know.Quote:
Originally posted by arDAWG65
From what I've read these are not the true mobile chips, but the desktop replacements. The true mobile64's have yet to be released. They are pretty much identical to the standard 3200 sans the heatspreader. They are supposedly based on the CG cores which offer some thermal benefit. Make sure your mobo will support the CG core 64's... ;) Temps should be better w/out the h/s, though some heatsinks won't fit w/out modification b/c of the missing h/s. ;)
cowpuppy did you have to modify your a64 kit to make it fit onto the mobile?
Yes I had to do some mods to lower the evap head to touch the cpu. I'm not sure how one would mod a air cooler to work and water I would would be perty easy.Quote:
Originally posted by EmineM
cowpuppy did you have to modify your a64 kit to make it fit onto the mobile?
So every time you boot up you have to up the multipler in windows ? :(
thats gotta sux
Cowpuppy,
What was the stepping on that CPU, do you have a pic of the CPU?
Man its been 4 days and you haven't giving much information on these chips.
#1 is the chip fully unlocked ?
#2 do you have to change the multipler every time you boot up ?
#3 how did you go about the promme mod to get it to fit on the chip ?
:stick:
Multipliers 4-11 are unlocked only FX's are totaly unlocked
Multiplier starts at 4x200=800mhz upon boot once changed to 11x it's fine untill a power down .5 multi"s are also avialible.
I didn't write down the stepping
I had to cut the legs almost off on the brkt that mounts to the board chips and had to be clearanced by filing the mount and I removed the sloop in the the metal evap head attach brkt with small pieces of zip tie drawing it closer to the cpu
What ever kind of cooling you plan on using you will have to mod the mount so the sink will sit lower to make contact with the cpu die.
thanks for the info.
Hopefully a newer bios will fix the problem with having to change the multipler every boot up.
LOL.... after talking with Cowpuppy and the miserable experiences I have had with the 3400's, I had to grab one of these. It will be here on monday.
So I just need to cut the legs off the top bracket and make room for the cpu v reg chip? This should provide sufficient contact on core? If you could, could ya PM me your phone number cowpuppy whenever you read this? When we spoke, I forgot to get it from you.
YGPMQuote:
Originally posted by k|ngp|n
LOL.... after talking with Cowpuppy and the miserable experiences I have had with the 3400's, I had to grab one of these. It will be here on monday.
So I just need to cut the legs off the top bracket and make room for the cpu v reg chip? This should provide sufficient contact on core? If you could, could ya PM me your phone number cowpuppy whenever you read this? When we spoke, I forgot to get it from you.
Well I didn't quit cut them off I left a little maybe a 1/8" and most of the filing was over by the one volt mod those two chips need clearancing
why cant these damm mb makers (an50r) come out with a new bios that gives us our multi's in the bios? i mean who cares if all we can do is go down from the defualt multi atleast we wouldnt have to raise the damm multi using clock gen with these molbiles.... oh well i gues it could be alot worse.Quote:
Originally posted by yuri
So every time you boot up you have to up the multipler in windows ? :(
thats gotta sux
peace perc,
Just wondered whether you got a 'CG' stepping, as thats what Newegg are advertising, although the illustration is a 'CO'.Quote:
Originally posted by cowpuppy
I didn't write down the stepping
The code should have ended with AR not AP.
I thought you could fix the multiplier problem by disabling the AMD cool and quiet feature? This will stop the board from ever using the 800Mhz speed.
Also, and i'm sure yo know this, but what the heck... with ClockGen you could set up a simple script that runs on boot up to auto set the multi to whatever you want. I do it all the time as I keep all the scripts and routines for o/cs on a server, so i don't have to keep backin em up.
I run a Shuttle AN50R w/the 025 BIOS and unless I'm
blind there is no Cool N Quiet option.
The CPU multi options in BIOS are found in Voltage
and Frequency Control.
The multi options are 4X thru 10X and AUTO. AUTO
selection will give you boot multi of 11X with a 3400+
chip. (or 10X with a 3200+/3000+)
I'm running a lowly 3000+ chip.
I leave mine set at AUTO and then go over and set the
FSB for the memory FSB at 230.
It boots up at 2300Mhz every trip. :)
Pops.
pops i dont have any multi adjustments in my bios anywhere? im running the an50s00y bios since for some reason my mb wont run the new an50s025 bios??
this auto script for clock gen? can you show me how to make one? i seen in the help section of clock gen that its possible just couldnt figure out how to make the damm thing?
thx perc,
Yo....
Scroll down toward he bottom of this link
and see if it doesn't help out as far as
booting up with a Clock/Gen setting/desktop
shortcut.
http://www.cpuid.com/clockgen.php
I was under the impression that you couldn't change the mults. via software if the bios does not support C 'n' Q. It doesn't necessarily have to show as a enable/disable option in bios, but must have the support for Cool & Quite for mult. adjustment w/ ClockGen, etc.
k|ngp|n: and anyone else going to try this combo you will need the 10/30 bios to run the mobiles. sN1b3r over at Extreme Overclocking had to flash backwords to get his mobile to run in his shuttle.
Just flash to bios date 10/30/2003 and multi's can be adjusted trough ClockGen and will stay after a reboot, only FSB will be back to 200 after a reboot.
I am not even sure what bios I am using :), but I think this chip is good. So far, I am 3d stable at 2.81ghz/1.8v. I may be able to get to 2.84ghz still at this voltage, but I cant run tests in a row without breaks in between. The best I could manage with any of the 3400+'s that I tested before was 2.83ghz 3d stable on 1.94-1.95v. This was taking breaks in between tests too so...
The 3400+ DTR I got was a CO stepping and the numbers went something like this.....though I cant remember exactly- caaoc 0357 vpmw . LOL just like cowpuppy, I didnt write stepping numbers down.
It was very easy to mod the top prommy bracket for a perfect fit and upon first boot, I notice my temps were way lower in bios than I have seen with the other chips. Probably due to the IHS removed.
I'm going to max it out today or tommorrow in super pi and 3dmark. I'll post some screen shots with actual stepping info. I would be very happy with 2.9* ghz
Great oc k|ngp|n! Congrats on a nice chip.
What kind of prommy are you running on?
k|ngp|n wuz up man. sounds like you got agood one. I just got back from picking up my mach1 from fedex in sterling hgts. still havn't even turned it on yet. I think sat sounds like a good day to make some runs at the front page.
Stay tuned.
Bad news just pluged it in and gas leaked out looks like I'm going to have to send it back to chilly1
damn, that's a shame. What was it r404a or r507'd mach1?
507 baker gpu block modded Mach1. this sux'x. Well I'm benchin this weekend any ways. see what this dtr can do
any reason in particular why you had that done to a mach1 rather than your mkII? Was that chilly1's and you bought it from him or did he mod it for you? Am I allowed to ask what he charged in this section, or do i need to send a pm?
Thought I would post anouther screenie. This is still with 1.73 vcore and mem at 3.32
damn, I want one :toast:
Quote:
Originally posted by gouda96
any reason in particular why you had that done to a mach1 rather than your mkII? Was that chilly1's and you bought it from him or did he mod it for you? Am I allowed to ask what he charged in this section, or do i need to send a pm?
Well I picked up the Mach1 from mdzcpa for a good price with the intentions of having it modded by chilly1. This mach1 was major slaughters befor mdzcpa had it for a few weeks.
Just pm chilly1 on prices, he's resonable and is taking care of the claim on the damage.
Could it have been damaged in shipping? Could you possibly get the mail carrier to reimburse you?
Yes it was damaged in shipping and it was insured for replacement value (new mach1+chilly1 mods) he will probably reapair the unit and send them a bill.Quote:
Originally posted by gouda96
Could it have been damaged in shipping? Could you possibly get the mail carrier to reimburse you?
Well here is some more screenies. Bumped vcore up to 1.85 and mem up to 3.5 and I'm still surfing around at 261x11 I havn't tried 3d at this fsb yet. I tried 270fsb but was quickly greated with a bsod probably needs a little more mem voltage.
hows 265x11 for 2.920 I've made 3d benchies at 260.Dam* fedex I could have been climbing my way to the top of the 3d charts this weekend
You'll probably have it back in time to make a nice 3dmark push
Damn cowpuppy,
that really sucks about your gpu cooler :(
Sounds like your chip is a winner. I Still havent gone over 1.85v yet with this one. Best 3dmark run was so far with my dtr was at 250x11 with 1.71v cpu and 3.15v ddr. However, once I got past this point it seemed to need alot of juice for small increases on fsb. It needs almost 1.8vcore to do 255x11 fsb for 3dmark.
It might be my cpu cooling unit though. It seems to be struggling when under full load. It sounds like it is bogging or something :( I might yank off the cooling head and measure the temps on the evap to see if there is anything to it.
how come you AGP/PCI are 66/33 with such a huge FSB overclocl - i though all NF3 150 boards only had an AGP lock? :confused:
because clock-gen reports the freq wrong.Quote:
Originally posted by Psilonaught
how come you AGP/PCI are 66/33 with such a huge FSB overclocl - i though all NF3 150 boards only had an AGP lock? :confused:
hot damm
k|ngp|n: hey crank up that mem voltage. Oh by the way my vcore changes with multipliers. when I'm at 4x on start up it reads 1.2 in bios only after changing to 11x does it come back up to the 1.85 that I had previously set. This maybe causing some A64 deaths if this is happening with regular A64's. Imagine setting for 1.85 at a 8x multiplier and then switching to a 11x could cause major over volting and if you have the mem volts cranked way up too........... dead A64.
Sounds like someone should investigate that possibility with a regular a64. If anyone wants to send me their's I would be more than willing :D
Man..been so busy lately I havent had time to bench.
I think I see 30k on the horizon :) Check out what this chip can do now that I got the contact on the cooling head good. This is with the default XT clocks and 1.74vcore and only 3.23vdimm.
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/...6/50377986.jpg
These results are much better than before. It just didnt seem like it was running cold enough before so I yanked off the cooling head and sure as :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:.....just the top right corner of the die was making good contact. Temps are reading -16c in bios on an50r right after 3d runs at these clocks. Temps were going down to 1c in bios before I fixed up the top prommy bracket better. 270-275x11 would be tight as hell.
How are you doing on yours cowpuppy? Whats your best 3d01 with default XT clocks? At what volts?
damn, looking realy nice!
How did you get the contact better? Did you just file some more off the prommy bracket?
30K would be nice, good luck :toast:
Hey looking good King :D I ran a couple default VC clock speeds and got a score of 23,4somfin that was with DX9 and WinXP and cat 4.3's on my everyday VC clocks I'm rippin 25,000's just by moving the sliders.
I tried hooking up my pelt and chiller to my VC last weekend but some reason I couldn't pull 540/425 out of it the best score I could muster out of 01 was 26,935 wich I did'nt even post. I may have to TAP warrenty this card when I get my VC cooler.
I'm able to run 255x11 24/7 thats my everyday clocks with 1.85vcore and 3.52 mem I can run LDT at 2.5 at this speed too. I play UT04 for hrs at a time without any stability problems.
I think I may check my seat this weekend (havn't yet) What exactly did you do to get a better seat? Did you adjust the legs on the MB mount brkt? I'm getting -2c in bios but I'm running a stock Mach2.
What kind of volts are you running to your mem to get 275 out of it?
Check out this Super PI I cant remember what clocks this was
You play ut04 cowpuppy??? I play deathmatch alot man. Maybe we have played lol. I have another rig sitting right next to my bench one that runs a 3400(air)/k8npro/9800XT (on water)/1gLevel2/raid0-raptors. I dont play UT overclocked at all though. Just set the timings to 5-2-2-2 and it flies for me
And gouda96....To get good contact, I had to completely remove the legs on prommy bracket and carve out spaces for all MB components that were in the way. The bracket now sits flush on the motherboard with very small roll of seal string.
Really nice super pi cowpuppy....
Damn that is some nice stuff. Beats the crap out of my p4's @ 4ghz :(
I play alot of onslaught myself. I go by [unf]SinZapatos.
Well.....I think I am near the end of the line with this chip. I might be able to get to 268-269x11, but I think that's going to be it. Sorry about these sh**ty pics BTW....I am at 2932mhz 1:1 with 1.95v cpu and 3.47v ddr ldt @ 2.5. Here is my best 3dmark 01' so far with default xt clocks:
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/...6/50628501.jpg
Here is acompare url for this bench: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7740455
This is about 500 points faster than I could get with other 3400's I tested so I am happy. Now I just hope my XT can still go 625/452 :P Should be good for 29,800 or so I think.
king awsome clocks for both you guys but you need fx51. being able to run 3ghz at 1.725v leaves your mosfets cold the board able to run huge loads 24/7 and so on.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=33292
and with 28s under 3ghz ;) pure bliss
http://www.jason57.iwarp.com/fx51benching/28s.JPG
Really nice clocks dude...I was tempted to grab fx53 but I am waiting for 939 for FX. I have two sticks of mushkin lv2 here that go up to 280 @ 5-2-2-2 and believe me...... I can't wait to use them in dual channel on 939 fx setup:). I am looking forward to you joining me on the first page and your 30k+ score :) Pretty soon, gonna need 30k just to stay there.
I would really rather break 30k with 754 a64 than fx though :P I have been trying so hard for quite awhile now, it would be a shame not to get it without grabbing some faster harware. I'm so close.
Well it seems that I have toasted my DTR tonight trying to get a better seat on the core. I didn't have a good seat and after removing the promi head I smelled that stinch of burt silicone. It's no big deal I bought a warrenty from Newegg on the DTR. This one had a nick in the core, on the edge when I got it any ways.
I think I want a Vapo LS just for the ease of mounting. Or I'm going to come up with my own idea with some treaded rods but still use most of the mach2 kit.
DOH...that chip was a runner too. Hope you have luck with your new one
See if you can get your hands on one of the 1.2V, 35W 2800+'s instead lol!.
OMG...that sux big time CP. That was a good chip too :(
Return that thing and maybe you'll get an even better one.
Hey Guys
What Bios Version do u use on the Shuttle AN50r with the 3400 DTR? My 3200+ DTR dosn´t work on my shuttle with the 26er Bios. I become no signal on the monitor.
run the DTR on the Gigabyte K8N Pro?
Sorry for my bad english :(
Riverna: you have to run the 10/30 bios.........GL in finding it at shuttle.com.........maybe someone here could help you with it, I'm on a dial up or I would send it to ya.
k|ngp|n: What up man. I just got my RMA request from Newegg and thats exactly what I was thinking maybe I'll get a reall (_}_) kickin chip this time. I'm trying to get them to give me a warrent on the new cpu, it's nice having a little insurance. I think I will do the same with the FX53 when it comes out, buy the OEM with a 30 day warrenty and get the extended warrenty and theres no dealing with AMD to RMA the CPU. I'll give you a call.
Damn, dial-up? I am sorry :D
I wasn't aware of the additional insurance you could buy for hardware at newegg. How long is it, and how much did it cost for your dtr? One of the main reasons I worry when I go all out with a chip is the fear of losing it (not that it actually stops me), but with a nice newegg warranty I would be able to sleep better at night.
Deffiantely gonna have to get that for all future hadware I get from newegg, do you know if they offer it on refurbs?
Cleared that up when I realized how stupid it was to pester a fellow member with questions like that...6% for the extended warranty is nice, too bad they don't offer it on refurbs, which makes sense.
While my cpu was, is down I moded my mounting system. I now get 100% contact :D I will post some picks of what I came up with here in a new thread shortly as soon as I get my dig cam back from my Mom
It's a wonder I didn't burn up the cpu long ago. I never had contact this good with any cpu mount and my promi.
Damn, imagine what you would have been able to do if you did :DQuote:
Originally posted by cowpuppy
While my cpu was, is down I moded my mounting system. I now get 100% contact :D I will post some picks of what I came up with here in a new thread shortly as soon as I get my dig cam back from my Mom
It's a wonder I didn't burn up the cpu long ago. I never had contact this good with any cpu mount and my promi.
Damn after listening to these stories I want a 3400+ DTR now. I orginally had a 3000+ Retail that did 2.68ghz/1.85vcore on air, then I tried removed IHS and cut one of the IC's :rolleyes: . Then I got my replacement 3000+ Retail that wont go past 2.5ghz :brick: . What kind of clocks do you think I could see with a 3400+, 1.85vcore, and excellent watercooling? Really looking forward to see what kind of differences there are with 1Meg of cache. Also arent the 3400+ DTR's CG stepping?