Hi all. First post :)
Check this out.....
http://www.chip-con.com/index.php?pageid=102
:slobber:
Printable View
Hi all. First post :)
Check this out.....
http://www.chip-con.com/index.php?pageid=102
:slobber:
How on earth did you find that link.....thers no direct link on the site..
However if this is something soon to be released....then it seemes like Asetek got some competition.
I can't take credit for finding the link i found it on another forum.
What kinda gas go you think this baby will be on?
r404 or r507. probly 507 to have a 1:1 with asetek
http://www.chip-con.com/
OUCH !!! - The new Mach2 GT !
Quote:
Performance without compromise is what the Mach II GT stands for. It is aimed at people who want the fastest possible computer. The new GT model allows users to overclock their CPUs to perform faster than the "Speed of Light".
To illustrate this nVENTIV has set a new record for commercially available cooling by going beyond the 5 GHz barrier. Screenshot here. The system is shown at the Asus stand on CeBit 2004.
The Mach II GT's extreme performance is for sale at €799,- (reseller may add Shipping + VAT to shown retailprice)
Anyone see a slight hint to the naming of vapo Light Speed???;)
nVENTIV is proud to announce the:
Performance without compromise is what the Mach II GT stands for. It is aimed at people who want the fastest possible computer. The new GT model allows users to overclock their CPUs to perform faster than the "Speed of Light".
To illustrate this nVENTIV has set a new record for commercially available cooling by going beyond the 5 GHz barrier. Screenshot here. http://www.chip-con.com/log/5GH.jpg
Pictures of the system running 5GHz shown at the Asus stand on CeBit 2004 can be found here and here. http://www.chip-con.com/log/Cebit04_1.jpg
The Mach II GT's extreme performance is for sale at €799,- (reseller may add Shipping + VAT to shown retailprice)
Go to the Product description to learn more or e-mail us at sales@nventiv.com
Damn...it's hard to keep any secrets from you guys. Someone else already found this yesterday and published it in the ST thread.
I was notified by nVENTIV via email from Cebit this morning that it has been publicly released.
I was the first person in the US to get one of these and have had it for over a week now. I have been testing it with several different chips and motherboards.
Xtreme will have the review by this weekend, maybe Monday morning.
I can verify that it uses 404a. Please understand that if I answered all your questions now, there would be no need for the review!;)
As far as I know Bowman has the only other GT in the country right now and will be using it for his temperature tests.
I know everyone has questions, instead of asking them, please tell me what you want to see in the review. Keep in mind that I do not have a Vapochill LS to compare.:D
still the same evap housing design. not sure what they improved here. Looks like they finally equipped it with a bendable hose at last.
Lets see what this unit can really do.
opps 5GHz egg cooker. nice indeed:)
stable 5gig system?
that friends is something. wonder if its benchmarkable.... i mean.. fugger gets about 4500mhz max for 3dmark with his cascade. how do they have 5gig to sit there all day? are are you thinking its another comp with a screenshot on it like me? :D
im calling shinanigans.
No shinanigans.....they have been running that for at least a week. I have the original screenie of it when they first hit it.
Do you really think they have a pic of it on the screen...come on...get real guy....and no one would spot it?
First of all they wouldn't do something like that.... and if they did, they wouldn't get away with it. That's a serious and unfounded accusation to make.
On the other hand I just got an email from a friend who is at Cebit right now. He said the LS is running at 4.4GHZ with only WCPUID running. The brightness is turned down so far that you can hardly read the screen, but if you look close you can see it's running at -19.5c!
Their documents say -24 at 200w....so why is it running -19.5 at less than 150w?
What we would all like to know and this being one small feature out of everything is the compressor model # ;)
I wonder myself If they took the nf9fx danfoss and juiced it with r404/r507 as we all know that compressor is great with a gas upgrade or they used the same r134a unit but the higher up model as in the nf10fx... If you look over danfoss for suitable drop-ins that meet the 115v 200w+ range you will only find a few LBT/MBT units nf9fx, nf10fx or the same unit that the Vapochill LS uses of course the r404/r507 model, but then again we are left with being able to reach a -65c evap "true temp this time they state" without having too long of a cap tube to drop total overall heat removal capacity from the unit at high loads.
yeah i know.. i wouldnt really expect them to fake soemthing like that.. but your friend saying its running 4400mhz sounds alot more realistic than 5gig for a week!
major kudos to them if they DO have a stable 5gig system there, thats fantastic!
(fyi i was partially joking around with the shinanigans thing :P)
so... id the thing really doin -19.5 with ~150watts? that would be a kinda bad thing, no?
what voltage is that 4.4ghz taking though? Maybe they needed a good 1.75v on there CPU ;) and if that CPU is a 4.4ghz P4EE for example with the added cache its possible to pukll the vapochill down like the older units with the bf35/bf50 compressors, hehe.Quote:
On the other hand I just got an email from a friend who is at Cebit right now. He said the LS is running at 4.4GHZ with only WCPUID running. The brightness is turned down so far that you can hardly read the screen, but if you look close you can see it's running at -19.5c!
Their documents say -24 at 200w....so why is it running -19.5 at less than 150w?
Paul,
I won't give too much away here as the review will be out soon, but your first guess is correct. ;)
There is no way for him to know what the voltage is set to.
Keep in mind, I doubt if the 5GHZ or the 4.4GHZ is very stable. I imagine it's the highest clock they can reach that will hold on the screen without crashing. It just makes sense that both would display highest possible clock.
how match wattage would a p4ee @ 4.4 with 1.75v be pushing?
cant be over 200 i dont think... though i have managed to get 164watts out of my barton(2650mhz 2vcore)
*edit* i see were all playign the F5 game here.. lol:D
a good test would be a proc on a Mach II GT cooling and the same proc at the same voltage with a Vapo LS.
Indeed it would...if I had an LS. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by cpulloverclock
a good test would be a proc on a Mach II LS cooling and the same proc at the same voltage with a Vapo LS.
Evil_Spork, I have a Galatin core and that is a prescott.
5Ghz is a awesome milestone, grats JC!
MachII ST ;)
i wanna see a reg MachII v MachII ST v MachII GT v Vapochill LS
a nice little graph, each with teh same system and same settings, what temps they show, how they work, what gas and compressor they use. ect ect.. maybe we can gather all the info, TheDude, can you help this out?
oh yeah, i guess the prescotts with some effort will do nice speeds after all.Quote:
Originally posted by FUGGER
Evil_Spork, I have a Galatin core and that is a prescott.
5Ghz is a awesome milestone, grats JC!
Fugger, do you by chance have any numbers for how much heat your EE puts out at speed?
I have the MachII and the MachII-GT but I'm not sure I would get involved with a review that had several different authors. I need to know for a fact that things are done correctly and in a certain way, before I will put my name on it. Understand what I mean?
The 5Ghz is a prescott but I don't know the voltage used and the stability of it. The board that it is ran on is specially made/modified by Asus to be more "prescott-suited".
like 6phase power? im under the impression they use a 4 or 5 phase instead of 6 phase. correct me if im wrong. also isnt that how tom got his 5gig on LN2?
thedude: i know what you mean, but i meant more of a gathering of information . the actualy temps can be done by someone else your yourself later if you get a vapochill ls.
i think a single place to see which systems use what compressor and gas, and price! that would be very helpfull for those looking at which to buy, be it only numbers on paper and no actual tests it will help.
later real temp tests will come, we'll know soon enough.
Quote:
Originally posted by Kamarkis
I can't take credit for finding the link i found it on another forum.
What kinda gas go you think this baby will be on?
Posted here about it the other day ;) last post 1st page
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=31597
hmm, by the sounds of asetek.com first news item on teh front page the main LS rig there is a ic7 max 3 3.4EE setup, which if its fully stable at 4.4Ghz is something in and of itself(jsut that they seem to be claiming gaming rig, blah blah blah), even if not stable 4.4Ghz is very good is it not. whats funny is they seem to have a 4Ghz stable waterchill rig there, but i assume this would be a prescott/northy.
Either way, i eagerly wait a review, but, unless i see both together it will be very hard to tell which to buy. 799 +vat , meh, can't be bothered to work out, not hugely more expensive than the LS at all, but a little more, and again more ontop for the lian li kit. I'm set either way for now with a antec sonata(black) and antec super lan boy(alu) :p
anyone got a clue whats its price gonna be?
already took my mach 2 for sale in order to get one :D
Hmm so whats the difference b/w MACH II ST and MACH II GT? Price wise they are about the same and all released within 1 week..... what gives?
The most important principle to note in matters relating to "the mostest", "the bestest" and "Kingnus Kongnus" is, "Is It Representative". What's the use of someone broadcasting that they've won the lottery but you nor I ever get to win it.
For those lost in the mire, we are not talking about sour grapes, lacking overclocking fundamentals [within reason] or similar, we are talking about whether 5.0GHz is representative to the potential market out there. If it is a one-off, then a lottery stike
CPU conveys nothing about the prowess of the Mach II GT.
It's one thing to say that with good overclocking skills, we can up the ante, but another to get a one-off CPU and coupled it to a "new" offering and say that that is normally achieveable. As such, NOBODY should take sides at this point-in-time or else the word "PIMP" looms meancingly near. We can speculate, of course.
Impressive clock there JC--- wild CPU btw.. :toast:
Actually I saw your clock last weekend when a friend of mine (nventiv guy) showed it to me and I didnt believe it.. shame on me :D
Between The Dude and Bowman putting the screws to the systems and the showdown going on at cebit only good things can come out of this.
The more competition we the end user receive the lower the prices and the better the product.
I can not wait to see the reviews, I know bowman plans on taking it slow and easy so he can get a thorough review and the dude planing on tossing us a bone to read this could be a very good computer year indeed. PCI Express and an 939 A64 please :eek:
I will hang on to my mach1, being a working dad I was lucky enough to swing that lol but I can read about the bleeding edge and dream :D
TheDude,
congrats any idea on the price?
799 euro i beleave. i might be wrong... its the little C with a line in it.. i cant for the life of me remember which currency that is. :(
Quote:
Originally posted by Evil_Spork
799 euro i beleave. i might be wrong... its the little C with a line in it.. i cant for the life of me remember which currency that is. :(
That € is the euroQuote:
The Mach II GT's extreme performance is for sale at €799,- (reseller may add Shipping + VAT to shown retailprice)
Go to the Product description to learn more or e-mail us at sales@nventiv.com
15-03-04
On the front page of http://www.nventiv.com/
The Mach II GT reaches evaporating temperatures around -65ºC at 0watt, -51ºC at 100watt and -38ºC at 200watt. This gives you the most extreme cooling performance without compromising reliability.
Yes I believe them :rolleyes:
-65°C = -45 -50°C for me
-51°C = -30°C
-38°C = -15 -20°C
then it's not a R134A gas
R507?
Damn...I would like to visit the Cebit but I have to write exams....:mad:
I just can't wait for a full Vapo LS, regased Mach I/II and Mach II GT review......
TheDude mentioned that it uses R404a.Quote:
then it's not a R134A gas
hmhmh better be good cos i ordered one for me :)...
it looks more expensive than the LS though doesnt it?
really wanna see the reviews now :)
It´s times like this i wish i was working and not in school....no i can´t get the money for it before the next one come.....:slobber:
R404A and -65°CQuote:
Originally posted by phobos
Damn...I would like to visit the Cebit but I have to write exams....:mad:
I just can't wait for a full Vapo LS, regased Mach I/II and Mach II GT review......
TheDude mentioned that it uses R404a.
I dream I dream :rolleyes:
Well im going to have a stab in the dark for rough UK prices based on the prices listed on the two websites:Quote:
Originally posted by brwmogazos
it looks more expensive than the LS though doesnt it?
GT = €799 = £539.41 * 1.175 = £633.81
LS = €649 = £438.15 * 1.175 = £514.83
Therefore GT looks to be over £100 more expensive than the LS. Bowman said he wont get an LS unit until April which is a long wait, but one im going to put up with before i make a decision.
brwmogazos, out of interest, waht made you decide to go for the GT straight away, no questions asked? Obviously it has fantastic cooling potential, but considering you have a MachII already, why did you decide to buy now rather than wait a bit for a few reviews.
The reviews are going to be pointless for you by the time they are out, you will probably have already got your unit:slobber:
Are you going to use it on the rig in you sig? That way you could do a quick, basic comparison between the two:)
G
hi mate...
i ordered mine from the cheapest reseller in the UK so it should be with me in 2 weeks...
since its the cheapest reseller i have seen so far:
www.extremeprometeia.com
i preordered mine off him...
performance wise...i guess we will all have to wait and see...
+ i got an atcs black widow...the ls is in silver with a lian li kit...
and that wont match the looks of my black case... so...
it may sound strange but...looks are important imo as well mate
r404 can reach -65c easy with the right cap tube size sure its possible its when you load the thing up and still see awesome results that if anything that becomes the part that would be most argured..
Like I said before I'm sure its an r134a compressor to pull temps that low either the nf9fx or nf10fx come to mind.. If you look baker18 took an nf9fx mach I to -57c with r404 and it held a good -40's load with 150w..
Impossible na :)
couldnt get that to work, comes up as a holding page for newly registered domain.. have a diff link?Quote:
Originally posted by brwmogazos
i ordered mine from the cheapest reseller in the UK so it should be with me in 2 weeks...
since its the cheapest reseller i have seen so far:
www.extremeprometeia.co.uk
try this ....:)
Paul007,
I verified to you in another thread, it is the nf9fx in the USA and the cap tube has been tweaked for 404a.;)
oops...heres the link as evil raver has posted...
www.extremeprometeia.com
5Ghz Wow!! Only other time Ive seen that is the Japanese guys with LN2 and a suicide screenie. Well Im forgetting Tom... but who likes him these days anyway lol I was somewhat disappointed that someone around here didnt get some LN2 and beat him by at least 100mhz, but then didnt he use his leverage to get a special P4C800?
Whats up evil_raver its nice to see another raver that likes xtreme ocing and hardware.
Someone around here has gotten LN2 and has beaten him by at least 100mhz I belive. That person was Macci.
5ghz is still amazing though, it must be one hell of a chip!
Yeah macci got 5Ghz months ago, was one of the first.
And we're talking about a Northwood, not a Prescott...
http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/
Awesome we cant let Tom hold the world record :p: Is prescotts longer pipe allowing it to oc better than northwood and gallatin even with the higher cpu temps?
He doesn't hold the world record...
Its 5.3Ghz by Memesama (Northwood)
And these people actually ran some benchmarks, Tom's 5Ghz was just a screenshot...benches at 4.7.
I was on CeBit yesterday and saw both units.
Asetek says their system is stable @ 4,4 Ghz and i belive them, because last year they demonstrate it on Giga TV and it was stable. They also are showing 2 equal system, one on Abit stand and one on ATI stand, both @4,4 GHz. They also told me, they could oc it higher, but unstable and that`s not the goal. Stability is all.
Well Nventiv is showing their system on Asus stand with 5 Ghz on display. No more Info, you can`t look inside the compressor case ( like you can do on vapo LS ), there is no information about this system ( just a little paper saying nothing abot specs ) and there is no person you can talk to :( - The people from asus just show you, that you have to call they department for more info ( well, very unprofessional on a fair ).
About the temperatures :
On Vapo LS there was a Waterchill inside and the temperatures were switching all the time between different temps. This is why maybe someone saw something like 19 or -19°C, i saw -29°C to -32°C. The system was pretty loud.
The Nventiv system showed -39°C on display...
That was what i have seen. Too bad, i couldn`t talk to anyone from Nventiv.
cyas
its quite possible they got a early new stepping prescott too, not saying it is or isn't. if its 5 ghz stable even for £100 more i'd buy it unless of course we find out a ls can do the same with the same chip. its a shame really, the ls is on special offer till end of march and i think i save like £30 or so, not really an issue, doubt we'll see a full comparison between them before then.
hopefully by monday the dude can show us if cpu temps are what we expect with the temps talked about for the mach 2 gt or if htey are much higher than expected and maybe those temps are accurate,
brwmogazos, did you e-mail them and jsut arrange to have one set aside for you, or did they have them up on site at some point?
-39c on a 5Ghz Prescott is hardly believeable...
Well, that was on the LCD Display. Not a CPU temperature.
cpulloverclock
"R404A and -65°C
I dream I dream"
Well on my Mach II GT (yep, don't look at the sig, now i can tell the true name:)) i saw -61C evap temp on 1.6GHz CPU in BIOS screen (cpu temp was around -45C i presume, 'cos ASUS' boards can't indicate under -39.5C, it goes to -111.5C). So maybe at true 0W workload -65C will be ok.
Yep that r404/r507 compressor is just that loud and anyone at a computer show that can say that they thought the cooling unit ran loud with a thousand people screaming and talking in the background is just icing on the cake..Quote:
The system was pretty loud.
Remember the basic design around these units is quiet high performance efficient cooling. Its one thing to hear the fans when set that way via the control software, but when you hear the compressors valve well thats something that you can't fix with software.. I've seen a few people now who saw the Vapo LS display at CeBit who replied that they where surprised by how loud these units run..
Not questioning performance at all here BTW just noise levels. :)
Mine is preordered along with another 4 units iirc :)Quote:
Originally posted by drunkenmaster
its quite possible they got a early new stepping prescott too, not saying it is or isn't. if its 5 ghz stable even for £100 more i'd buy it unless of course we find out a ls can do the same with the same chip. its a shame really, the ls is on special offer till end of march and i think i save like £30 or so, not really an issue, doubt we'll see a full comparison between them before then.
hopefully by monday the dude can show us if cpu temps are what we expect with the temps talked about for the mach 2 gt or if htey are much higher than expected and maybe those temps are accurate,
brwmogazos, did you e-mail them and jsut arrange to have one set aside for you, or did they have them up on site at some point?
they didnt have them in stock at the moment...
what i am wondering about now is if the mach 2 gt will come down in price to compete with the LS...
You are lucky to be able to attend.Quote:
Originally posted by Merenfreak
I was on CeBit yesterday and saw both units.
Asetek says their system is stable @ 4,4 Ghz and i belive them, because last year they demonstrate it on Giga TV and it was stable. They also are showing 2 equal system, one on Abit stand and one on ATI stand, both @4,4 GHz. They also told me, they could oc it higher, but unstable and that`s not the goal. Stability is all.
Well Nventiv is showing their system on Asus stand with 5 Ghz on display. No more Info, you can`t look inside the compressor case ( like you can do on vapo LS ), there is no information about this system ( just a little paper saying nothing abot specs ) and there is no person you can talk to :( - The people from asus just show you, that you have to call they department for more info ( well, very unprofessional on a fair ).
About the temperatures :
On Vapo LS there was a Waterchill inside and the temperatures were switching all the time between different temps. This is why maybe someone saw something like 19 or -19°C, i saw -29°C to -32°C. The system was pretty loud.
The Nventiv system showed -39°C on display...
That was what i have seen. Too bad, i couldn`t talk to anyone from Nventiv.
cyas
You lost me on your statement about believing their 4.4 is stable because of something you saw on TV last year. You can believe anything they say if you want to, but going by their recent history I'd say you'd be wise to question everything they say. I want proof from both companies, I'm not taking anyone's word on this....show me!
Proof is when you get it home, hook it up to your system and specs, and then check and see how it preforms. All the hype at the shows is for sales. Now if they where willing to allow you to play a game of ut2004 or run 3d2001 or aquamark so you could see how they system handles and how the temps change, well that would be a horse of a different color.
Considering the cost of the average phase system most of us can not afford to buy each one and play until we decide on a winner.
Once I see a few reviews from souls like bowman or the dude then I will have a greater insite from informed sources :)
Dude he is either an employee or a fanboy... I tend to ignore their dumb and obivously bias remarks ..Quote:
Originally posted by TheDude
You are lucky to be able to attend.
You lost me on your statement about believing their 4.4 is stable because of something you saw on TV last year. You can believe anything they say if you want to, but going by their recent history I'd say you'd be wise to question everything they say. I want proof from both companies, I'm not taking anyone's word on this....show me!
"I believe X cause I saw them say it a year ago but I don't believe Y cause their sensors can not be 100% accurate.. no sensor truly can be but company X is... I know this cause they said so."
Do you see how dumb you fanboys all sound here????
Give me 3rd party unbias reviews and STFU.
Quote:
Originally posted by Tomsawyer
Proof is when you get it home, hook it up to your system and specs, and then check and see how it preforms. All the hype at the shows is for sales. Now if they where willing to allow you to play a game of ut2004 or run 3d2001 or aquamark so you could see how they system handles and how the temps change, well that would be a horse of a different color.
Considering the cost of the average phase system most of us can not afford to buy each one and play until we decide on a winner.
Once I see a few reviews from souls like bowman or the dude then I will have a greater insite from informed sources :)
:toast: ed zachery!!!!! :toast:
I'm loving this competition, cause frankly I win either way :D
Can't wait to get my hands on a Vapochill LS to go with my Lian Li PC75 :up:
P.S. For those of you thinking of scamming companies by trying to return old products instead of the one you bought... I wouldn't do it... friend got busted for attempted larsenry for trying to return an old video card as a new card he bought :eek:
I went with a friend to best buy once, she bought a ti4200 card that they had on sale but I insisted that they open the box in front of us before she left. It was no ti4200 rather a used ge-mx400 that someone had cleaned and swapped.
Neadless to say we got another box which had the ti4200 in it and i think the best buy restockers got a lesson in checking returned products.
Obviously its not the CPU temperature, those are much higher...Quote:
Originally posted by Merenfreak
Well, that was on the LCD Display. Not a CPU temperature.
-39c even on the display on a 5Ghz Prescott Barbeque is hard to believe unless its a modded unit...
Well Im not defending asetek or anything but one of the reasons why they were only able to get 4.4 compared to nventivs 5.0 is because nventiv had JC who knows muych more compared to anyother asetek/nventiv employee. If nventiv didnt have jc they would be in the same range as asetek but im glad that they do have him. Good old JC will set them straight :toast:
They also had a .09 processor, where Asetek had a .13.....Quote:
Originally posted by Phyrox
Well Im not defending asetek or anything but one of the reasons why they were only able to get 4.4 compared to nventivs 5.0 is because nventiv had JC who knows muych more compared to anyother asetek/nventiv employee. If nventiv didnt have jc they would be in the same range as asetek but im glad that they do have him. Good old JC will set them straight :toast:
whats up aoc007 mate....:toast:Quote:
Whats up evil_raver its nice to see another raver that likes xtreme ocing and hardware.
i wonder how many of us are here....;)
You can order up to 20 of these in the drop down box, in US dollars that would only set you back 30 grand :toast:
When someone gets one, if they have an original prommy mach 2 and know someone with the Asetek Light Speed, get them set up and have some bench comparisons :)
Would be in interesting IMHO.
damn 1,500 bux for the gt? well thats at least on area the ls wins in..................
True but hopefully LS is close in performance terms :)Quote:
Originally posted by megahurtz-oc
damn 1,500 bux for the gt? well thats at least on area the ls wins in..................
Ravers speak up and unite!Quote:
Originally posted by evil_raver
whats up aoc007 mate....:toast:
i wonder how many of us are here....;)
For that much money nventiv had better deliver some awesome cooling...
Where is that price coming from for the GT? I have $988 usd
Is that with LCD + Lian Li kit and CPU kit?Quote:
Originally posted by TheDude
Where is that price coming from for the GT? I have $988 usd
Or just for the stock?
I'm interested in knowing cause uptill your post I was fixed on buying a VC LS and was getting ready to place the order by phone on monday...
Me wants to know more of this!
Also anyone know when resellers in US will get their hands on these GT's?
EDIT: Holy F**ckin :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:! GT's mad expensive according to this link http://kit-tronics.com/xcart/custome...ff9a9a48752ade on kit-tronics, and no matter where I've been to Kit-tronics has always had the cheapest prices on vaporcooling stuff
The MSRP for a Mach II GT including display but minus alu kit is 799 EUR / 980 USD
unless kit-tronics want to make like 500US extra on the things i dont think they have the price right.
Phew thx for the clear up Viggen :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
The MSRP for a Mach II GT including display but minus alu kit is 799 EUR / 980 USD
unless kit-tronics want to make like 500US extra on the things i dont think they have the price right.
That saved me from a heartattack, was wonder why that price is so freaking crazy...
Knowing Kit-Tronics if they ever fix that price it'll prlly be included with CPU kit.
So as it stands at this moment:
LS = $868.44
*includes Lian Li Kit
*includes LED
*includes CPU Kit
*advertises 240W -25C on CPU
GT= $980
*includes LED
*includes CPU Kit
*advertises 200W -18C on CPU
They both seem rather even to me, at the moment I'm still fixed on getting the LS, but if it turns out that LS temps are not better than the GT then I have no issues spending another $100 getting the GT :up:
LOL......-25 at 240w cpu is total BS.....now they are doing what they accused nVENTIV of doing with the temps....unreal.
Wait for Bowmans review dood...at least you will have real facts to base your decision on.
seems like nventiv and asetek are finaly sitting up and taking notice
regassing with the better refrigerants is a lways a good choice
MMMm goood prices for both but ill choose to go with the light speed, but my mind might be changed after the review ;)
What processor actually puts out 240W? And at what speed?
I was at first just amazed at it, but of course I too had my common sense tell me "if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably isn't true"
I dunno I just figured the LS would be a nice fit since I already have a Lian Li PC75...
But now that the GT seems in that range... well I'll just have to wait for the reviews, but I'm more than eager to place my order on monday but I'm not crazy/stupid enough to spend 1.5K on the GT that Kit-Tronics adverstises :wierd:
EDIT: lol thedude called me dood :lol:
EDIT#2: Um these prices are starting to get weird... Hardware gods is listing Mach II GT standalone for 1.2K linky
Your Mach II GT standalone link is dead.Quote:
Originally posted by `schr0et
What processor actually puts out 240W? And at what speed?
I was at first just amazed at it, but of course I too had my common sense tell me "if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably isn't true"
I dunno I just figured the LS would be a nice fit since I already have a Lian Li PC75...
But now that the GT seems in that range... well I'll just have to wait for the reviews, but I'm more than eager to place my order on monday but I'm not crazy/stupid enough to spend 1.5K on the GT that Kit-Tronics adverstises :wierd:
EDIT: lol thedude called me dood :lol:
EDIT#2: Um these prices are starting to get weird... Hardware gods is listing Mach II GT standalone for 1.2K linky
e power house has ls for 828.99 usd! cheap cheap.............
Fixed link, accidently put lhttp on it :P
But ya I don't understand how they get -25C CPU @ 240W I mean unless they were spraying the outside of the compressor with liquid nitrogen or something
I dont think the -25C at 240W there was a CPU temp thou (checked asetek site and all they say is 240W @ -25,5'C - which means evap temp).Quote:
*advertises 240W -25C on CPU
*advertises 200W -18C on CPU
Asetek: -25C evap temp @240W
nVentiv: -38C evap temp at @200W
I'm waiting for bowman's results too :)
Now why would you measure the evap temp?
Because its lower then the cpu temp ;)
Probably also because different motherboards give different results when it comes to temperatures, due to different interpetations, so by measureing the evap temp you're in a way leveling the playing feild.
Cos its basically the only temp that can be compared.Quote:
Now why would you measure the evap temp?
'CPU TEMP' depends on the CPU, mobo, BIOS revision, thermal paste etc etc so there is no point to advertise CPU temps your going to get w/ given cooler.
240w@-25c
Come on now your all sounding like that TI4200 guy that keeps stating we'll see 36k stock in 2k1 with a nv40, lol..
Im still waiting to see the "US" replacement for the danfoss 220v r404/r507 compressor I see no spec sheets even close to the 220v version that runs 115v ATM..
I say we each donate $1 to the Bowman testing center to help him cover all costs for accurate testing conditions :)
Still IMO you will never see a vapochill unit run with the top end cpu clocks acheived on a MACH II/MACH II GT..
To many look at the gas in the stock mach II still as being r134a so its not superiour to the r404/r507 used in the LS, but it take alot more than gas to perform great.
Quote:
Originally posted by paul007
240w@-25c
Still IMO you will never see a vapochill unit run with the top end cpu clocks acheived on a MACH II/MACH II GT..
never say never.
Come on now your starting to sound like Geforce yourself... It seems your only response to every thread is "come on now guys you sound like G4ti4200" well for your info, I'm stating info from the Asetek and Nventiv site, I didn't make stuff up on my own :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by paul007
240w@-25c
Come on now your all sounding like that TI4200 guy that keeps stating we'll see 36k stock in 2k1 with a nv40, lol..
Im still waiting to see the "US" replacement for the danfoss 220v r404/r507 compressor I see no spec sheets even close to the 220v version that runs 115v ATM..
I say we each donate $1 to the Bowman testing center to help him cover all costs for accurate testing conditions :)
Still IMO you will never see a vapochill unit run with the top end cpu clocks acheived on a MACH II/MACH II GT..
To many look at the gas in the stock mach II still as being r134a so its not superiour to the r404/r507 used in the LS, but it take alot more than gas to perform great.
I guess it seems like Asetek piled on the eye candy in order to deceive the customer? Hey it worked on me... cause frankly I was going head over heels for the Vapochill LS mainly because of how purrttty it looked :lol:
I'll be more than happy to donate $10 to bowman provided he get that review done right :up:
We need you bowman! save us!!
Have no fear, Bowman will get it right. Keep in mind it takes time and he doesn't have the LS unit yet....just the GT.
He has discussed some of his plans with me and he has thought of everything as far as making it a fair playing field.
He is without a doubt the best man for the job.
I just ran across a good thread, posted by Suppor1 (the asetek guy)
Thread is located here: Clicky me!
But to the point, it turns out the EVAP temp is -25C not the CPU, CPU temp is strangely -9C @ 200W
So to summarize/update:
Asetek VapoChill Light Speed:
*Lian Li Kit - eye candy is always a plus
*comes with both intel and amd mounting kits
*cools to -9C @ 200W
*comes with bling bling blue LCD
Total Cost = $868.44 (kit-tronics)
nVentiv Mach II GT:
*Enlight case
*possibly can come with CPU kit @ certain places
*comes with bling bling blue/green LCD of end-user choice
*cools to -18C @ 200W
Total Cost = $981.XX (MSRP as voiced by nVentiv)
Me is itching to get my hands on either one of these, it seems like both are a great deal in their own way. Wish you guys luck in your reviews! :up:
=Nventiv gets their lunch handed to THEM...
C
Don't believe everything you read ;)Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
=Nventiv gets their lunch handed to THEM...
C
-18c cpu-temp @ 200w heatload? yeah right.. would think nVentiv had learned a lesson by now, but obviously they´re still full of BS.
Not that -9c @ 240w is much better .. and thats worse after what they just did to nVentiv.
I will of course eat my hat if those temps turn out to be acurate when Bowman test them.
Prove me wrong and make me eat my hat Bowman, cause i really want -18c in my cpu when running 2900+ @ 1.9v with an A64 :D
Quote:
Originally posted by TheDude
Have no fear, Bowman will get it right. Keep in mind it takes time and he doesn't have the LS unit yet....just the GT.
He has discussed some of his plans with me and he has thought of everything as far as making it a fair playing field.
He is without a doubt the best man for the job.
Doesnt have the LS yet......................
They are busy tweaking the one they will send to Bowman, it will have special exotic gas in it that will keep it super cold so Bowman will rate it high yet after 1 month and the report is posted it will lock up lol :D
Sounds more like Chip-con to me (I remember a certain review of the Prommy by a known German hardware site: while not untrue, not all testing conditions were mentioned there :D).Quote:
Originally posted by Tomsawyer
Doesnt have the LS yet......................
They are busy tweaking the one they will send to Bowman, it will have special exotic gas in it that will keep it super cold so Bowman will rate it high yet after 1 month and the report is posted it will lock up lol :D
Ah well, no need for mud throwing now, both units seem capable of handling a high load while keeping the CPU below zero degrees Celsius. I'll be glad to read the findings of Bowman on both units :)
got any links disproving Asetek's claims? And what makes you think nVentiv's temps are more accurate especially when you look at MachI/MachII 50% diffrence between there display/software and real temps?Quote:
Originally posted by TheDude
LOL......-25 at 240w cpu is total BS.....now they are doing what they accused nVENTIV of doing with the temps....unreal.
Wait for Bowmans review dood...at least you will have real facts to base your decision on.
I'm not stating either of those units are more powerful and i'm not mentally attached to either but come on, i know exactly as much as you do when it comes to head to head performance comparsion of these two.