So.................
KHX3000/256 double sided...
is it?? What can you all tell me about code on IC??
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btw, easiest way to remove HS is to stick in the freezer for 10 minutes... easy.
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So.................
KHX3000/256 double sided...
is it?? What can you all tell me about code on IC??
C
btw, easiest way to remove HS is to stick in the freezer for 10 minutes... easy.
DW-50
BH-6 is more likely... but I could be wrong so dont count on me.
DW-45's are BH-5 for sure.
I dont think that is bh-5, but the best way to find out is just stick it in and try tight timings!
From what I've been told the two large circles and the small dot mean it's BH-6 or BH-5. My khx3000 is also double-sided, alternating chips but look like the pic.
- 50 == 5.0 ns and - 45 == 4.5 ns? just guessing. Perhaps Kingston's website may help.
My khx heatspreaders just popped off, they were barely touching three out of the 8 chips.
Sorry, but guess-work is all I have so far. Mine are up to 242, 5-2-2-2 @ 3.1v, so far anyway.
Its got the 2 dots, so its either bh5 or bh6. I think its bh-6 though because its DW-50, like STEvil said.
Well actually, I would like to take back what I said. Im not for sure but Im pretty sure it is bh-5. I dont speak german, but in the middle of this page it says wd-50 is bh-5. http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/...ges/847399/16. If someone who speaks german can double check that would be good, but Im pretty sure your in luck charlie!
Jrocket - not German, that's a language further north, looks like Belgian, perhaps Danish???
I looked around and it appears kingston v53742 0251p01 d328dw-50 is BH-5 relabeled
If you do a Google search type in: d328dw-50
Specificly at this Site
is 0251 a date of mfg???
like December 2002?? Sounds right for BH-5 :D
Charlie: What's the model number on the HS? I've had 4 sticks of KHX3000 and they've all been BH5.
If the model number is: 9905193-023.A01 then it's BH-5 according to Kingston tech support. There was also a model number that ended in .A00 they also confirmed was bh5 but I lost the email.
9905200-017.A00
Good news?
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looks like BH5 to me
I threw ONE stick in the P4S800D-E and have it running 3D Mark loops @ cas 2-2-2-5 2.85V, 228FSB.
Well, it's obviously not CH-5 right? Sound like typical BH-5?
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These are TwinMOS and Buffalo modules.
Are the Kingston marked different somehow?
probably either BH-5 at that voltage
now running Sandra burn-in (mem b/w, cpu arith, cpumulti) looping at 232mHz, 2.85V, cas 2-2-2-5
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Actually that's Dutch not German... I think.Quote:
Originally posted by Jrocket
.>>>>>>>>>>
I dont speak german, but in the middle of this page it says wd-50 is bh-5. http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/...ges/847399/16. If someone who speaks german can double check that would be good, but Im pretty sure your in luck charlie!
The BabelFish translator doesn't do Dutch. :(
Copy and paste the bit you want translated and I'll translate it for ya ;)
With that date marked on the chips and the performance it must be bh-5
Relabled Kingston chips can be a hassel to identify. But the date and performance of your chips makes it alot easier. The label given by Kingston (DW-50) was not given to any specific chip, but rather as a widespread marking over a variety of similar performing (not overclocked performance, but cheap performance) chips. The twin-dot marker on the chips (in the spots on that chip) are an identification of Winbond DDR. The dots themselves don't refer to any revision by Winbond, only that they are made by Winbond. The date, Week 51, 2002, is the most obvious (besides performance) way of getting an idea of what the chips are. Not many CH-5 chips were around in 2002, and even less (if any) were in circulation then. On the otherhand, in 2002/early 2003, Winbond BH-5 chips were widely available and comparatively cheap for the performance they offered. Plus, CH-5 chips cannot (except in iissues of extreme rarity) hold a tRCD of 2, especially above 200MHz. So you basically already identified your chips. Possibly BH-6, but more likely BH-5.
There are those who say the older chips, from 2002, scale better under voltage then those produced in the mid-to-early-second-half of 2003.
It is not Danish.. And i dont think it is Belgian.. It is more likely Dutch:DQuote:
Originally posted by sjohnson
Jrocket - not German, that's a language further north, looks like Belgian, perhaps Danish???
yes it is dutchQuote:
Originally posted by S!1v3rB@cK_Dk
It is not Danish.. And i dont think it is Belgian.. It is more likely Dutch:D
Damn you got a very good stick there, that is above average for 2.85v unless its overvolting.Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
now running Sandra burn-in (mem b/w, cpu arith, cpumulti) looping at 232mHz, 2.85V, cas 2-2-2-5
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Mine only does 220 2-2-2-5 at that setting (but its with both sticks in DC).
Quote:
Originally posted by Silversink
I looked around and it appears kingston v53742 0251p01 d328dw-50 is BH-5 relabeled
If you do a Google search type in: d328dw-50
Specificly at this Site
Charlie, Send me the stick and I will take a magic marker and relable them once more to read, BH-5 on them for yah if that would ease your mind :DQuote:
Originally posted by Speed_Mechanic
Relabled Kingston chips can be a hassel to identify. But the date and performance of your chips makes it alot easier. The label given by Kingston (DW-50) was not given to any specific chip, but rather as a widespread marking over a variety of similar performing (not overclocked performance, but cheap performance) chips. The twin-dot marker on the chips (in the spots on that chip) are an identification of Winbond DDR. The dots themselves don't refer to any revision by Winbond, only that they are made by Winbond. The date, Week 51, 2002, is the most obvious (besides performance) way of getting an idea of what the chips are. Not many CH-5 chips were around in 2002, and even less (if any) were in circulation then. On the otherhand, in 2002/early 2003, Winbond BH-5 chips were widely available and comparatively cheap for the performance they offered. Plus, CH-5 chips cannot (except in iissues of extreme rarity) hold a tRCD of 2, especially above 200MHz. So you basically already identified your chips. Possibly BH-6, but more likely BH-5.
There are those who say the older chips, from 2002, scale better under voltage then those produced in the mid-to-early-second-half of 2003.
ROFLQuote:
Originally posted by Silversink
Charlie, Send me the stick and I will take a magic marker and relable them once more to read, BH-5 on them for yah if that would ease your mind :D
Who would ever go against the proof that Silversink gives us! haha :ROTF:
Well, I live in Holland. So gimme the text you want translated :D
you put the sticks in the freezer for 10 mins and the heatsinks just come off? how long do you leave them out afterwords to dry off? condensation wont mess it up? I tried using a hairdryer , but no go, they got really hot to hold and they wouldnt come off
Heat makes the 2 sided tape "stickier" the cold kind of allows them to be separated easier...
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yes but how do i go about taking off the heatspreader? and why wont you answer my im's lol
wanna see some Overclockers :banana::banana::banana::banana:??
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FARK!!!:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
wanna see some Overclockers :banana::banana::banana::banana:??
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Now that's some serious $hit there!!!
Isn't it against the law to walk into Fry's with a light saber and demand all their BH5?
Nice!!!! Be sure to post the range of the limits of all those sticks.
lmfao....Quote:
Originally posted by oc-rookie
Isn't it against the law to walk into Fry's with a light saber and demand all their BH5?
Nice!!!! Be sure to post the range of the limits of all those sticks.
yeah, i know
:D
BTW, in DC the first two sticks I opened are looping 3DMark @ 226mHz, 1:1, 2-2-2-5, Perf Mode Normal, DRAM Timing Normal @ 2.85V...
I'm pretty sure it IS BH-5!
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Holy crap, charlie. :slobber:
Are those sticks for a future "giveaway contest"? :)
Wow charlie. Not much else to say lol
Hi
I can buy 2 sticks of hyperx pc3000 with kingston dw45 chip (i don't know the exact serial, but they're 4.5 ns), so if they can oc @200 mhz 2-2-2-5 are bh-5 chip? or ch-5 ? :confused:
thanks
nice to see another fellow collector of fine memory :DQuote:
Originally posted by charlie
wanna see some Overclockers :banana::banana::banana::banana:??
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Haha, that's hardcore man!Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
wanna see some Overclockers :banana::banana::banana::banana:??
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Hope you get find some nice sticks among that lot ;)
Lol at relabled :) can u do that for me too?
Charlie where did u those :banana::banana::banana::banana: i want one :)
BH6 as well as corsairs pc-2700LL....Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
KHX3000/256 double sided...
Wait a minute, since when are they double sided??
Yes, they're double sided....
Pretty much CAN'T be BH-6...my stick of XMS3200C2 v1.1 (BH-6) will scream up to 250, but ONLY at 2-3-3-6....even at like 211 it will choke at 2-2-2-5!!!
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That's odd...
I have the 3200, and its only one sided (8 chips).
Yours is 4 on each side?
I don't understand why Kingston would use both methods.
Yes.... 4 each side.
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it sounds like the dw45 chips are CH5 and the dw50 chips are BH5Quote:
Originally posted by Sp@nk
Hi
I can buy 2 sticks of hyperx pc3000 with kingston dw45 chip (i don't know the exact serial, but they're 4.5 ns), so if they can oc @200 mhz 2-2-2-5 are bh-5 chip? or ch-5 ? :confused:
thanks
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DW45 here but running at 242, 3.2v, 5-2-2-2. Sure doesn't overclock like CH-5. I'm wondering if kingston doesn't use a "grab-bag" of chips on their khx 3000.Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
it sounds like the dw45 chips are CH5 and the dw50 chips are BH5
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thinking of purchasing some of this from a UK retailer. In separate 256mb sticks..
£35 a stick, which is pretty good.
Also, what do u do when putting it in the freezer? Put it in a bag or something?
lol that bh5 is sure a safe investment in future :D DDR-2 sux and there wont be any memory that can compete with bh5 anytime soon.
i just bought a stick of bh5, can you guys tell me whther its good ol bh5 or saome newer bh5 thats doesnt oc that good? was lucky to find it, only paid 40€ for a 256mb stick :D
winbond
3072E
W942508BH-5
Nah, DW-45 can be both (not on KHX3000 though, they're all BH-5/6).Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
it sounds like the dw45 chips are CH5 and the dw50 chips are BH5
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And mine and all other KHX3000 I've seen is DS, so I guess all of them are.
Charlie - My 2x256 XMS3202 1.1's are double sided BH-6's and pulling 220 2-2-2-5 3.1v right now ;)
I can run up to 235 2-2-2-5 semi-stable with 3.2v... it random reboots and stuff, but I think thats more likely due to fluctuating VDIMM... :rolleyes:
Just waiting on my stick of KHX3000 with dw-45's on it to arrive.. hoping to get all 3 to play nice at 220+ :D
@STEvil
Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more! :D
Man, I need to hook myself up with some of those :banana::banana::banana::banana: star in the blue that like um fast and hot!Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
wanna see some Overclockers :banana::banana::banana::banana:??
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Was thinking about opening ALL of them, testing all and selling in speed grades, like $0.65/mhz/Pair/FSb??? At like 3.0V or maybe 3.2V because only a few peeps can run their P4 boards much higher than that...
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lol x 2 (dual channel laugh?)
I am Dutch...
The article says that DW-45 is CH-5 and DW-50 is BH-5
:thumbsup:
That's not true.Quote:
Originally posted by sn34ky
I am Dutch...
The article says that DW-45 is CH-5 and DW-50 is BH-5
Eva show us ya ram collection.
I think my ch-5 is alright but il get bh-5 sometime.
Oh?Quote:
Originally posted by Endre
That's not true.
Are you dutch then and translated that article?
I mean it's not true that DW-45 is CH-5 and DW-50 is BH-5. DW-45 is not just CH-5.
LOL! its not German, its not Belgian, its not Danish, its DUTCH! Its where I come from lol... did u guys ever go to school? :DQuote:
Originally posted by sjohnson
Jrocket - not German, that's a language further north, looks like Belgian, perhaps Danish???
Seems DW-45 is a questionmark, but every site that could answer what DW-50 is says that it is BH-5.
Gonna be a hard time discovering the thruth:confused:
Sorry dude, no offense. I've tried and tried but no teacher and no amount of effort has ever gotten through this hard head, I'm uni-lingual and that's where it's going to stay.Quote:
Originally posted by biohead
LOL! its not German, its not Belgian, its not Danish, its DUTCH! Its where I come from lol... did u guys ever go to school? :D
lol no problem ;) :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by sjohnson
Sorry dude, no offense. I've tried and tried but no teacher and no amount of effort has ever gotten through this hard head, I'm uni-lingual and that's where it's going to stay.
I wonder if you can remove bh-5 chips and remove the ch-5 chips and solder the bh-5 ram on your ex. ch-5 ram?
Care to try?Quote:
Originally posted by kommando
I wonder if you can remove bh-5 chips and remove the ch-5 chips and solder the bh-5 ram on your ex. ch-5 ram?
I just got 2 sticks of KHX3000 today. They are both double sided. I haven't looked under the hs to see what chips they are using though.Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
Yes, they're double sided....
Pretty much CAN'T be BH-6...my stick of XMS3200C2 v1.1 (BH-6) will scream up to 250, but ONLY at 2-3-3-6....even at like 211 it will choke at 2-2-2-5!!!
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How can I tell if my stick are single or double sided? I have 2x 256mb of XMS PC3500c2 v1.1 module. I've look at my stick and there's both side have chip on it. There are like 4 on each side. Sorry for this noob question. Thanks mann.Quote:
Originally posted by Techmasta
I just got 2 sticks of KHX3000 today. They are both double sided. I haven't looked under the hs to see what chips they are using though.
If it has chips on both sides it's double sided.
Thats correct.Quote:
Originally posted by Endre
If it has chips on both sides it's double sided.
Nobodies questioning your ability to read, but people are questioning if that info is reliable and accurate.Quote:
Originally posted by biohead
LOL! its not German, its not Belgian, its not Danish, its DUTCH! Its where I come from lol... did u guys ever go to school? :D
For some reason it seems Kingston made the 3000 DS and the 3200 SS.
I'd guess that the "some reason" is being able to use the same production setup and PCB to build 256 or 512 sticks with little or no re-tooling.
Both 512 and 256 being double-sided means all they have to do is load the right feeds with memory chips if the PCB is the same, and compatible with 256 and 512.
There's DS and SS sticks of KHX3000 256MB.Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
For some reason it seems Kingston made the 3000 DS and the 3200 SS.
Look at Charlie's pile of 3000....he says they are all double sided...Quote:
Originally posted by Speed_Mechanic
There's DS and SS sticks of KHX3000 256MB.
Whatever it is... it's good sh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dang, I can't wait to test mine! DS 0306 DW-45's. I just need a working mobo. :(
:thumbsup: That's an X-rated pic of memory you got there! :DQuote:
Originally posted by charlie
Whatever it is... it's good sh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!
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btw, 4 chips a side is still single sided 256mb, iirc .. my mushkies are are like that.
iirc, when OCZ released their PC3700 GOLD EL revision 1, 512MB dual packs, they (I can't remember if it was bigtoe or a review site) said that those modules as well as other "brands" with 4 chips on each side were double-sided memory.Quote:
Originally posted by Hobocrow
[Bbtw, 4 chips a side is still single sided 256mb, iirc .. my mushkies are are like that. [/B]
I remember the site or one of OCZ's employee's stating that because they were "double-sided", they improved bandwith compared to "single sided" because of the double-sided chips.
just like how the 512MB modules had more bandwidth because of the chips on both sides.
I might be wrong, maybe bigtoe can confirm this.
Cheers,
Minnyboy
edit: speeling
Here's what i've understand from the DW-50 lables:
(correct me if i'm wrong)
DW-50 is BH-5 but there are BH-6's too wich are relabled as DW-50.
The BH-6 got the lable because they fit kingston's DW-50 standard.
This standard is based on BH-5 but the (best) BH-6's who perform similar to BH-5 will be labled as DW-50 too.
Conclusion: All DW-50 is or performs the same as BH-5.
Again... this is just my theory based on what i've picked up in my search on the subject.
:thumbsup:
Reading all this BH-5/CH-5 stuff finally got to me so I decided to removed the HS from my old HyperX PC-3500. I heard they were hard to remove so I used what I usually use to clean my CPU mods, lacquer thinner. I figure if it doesn't cause any damage to a CPU it should work on RAM too right?Quote:
Originally posted by wespwnzu
you put the sticks in the freezer for 10 mins and the heatsinks just come off? how long do you leave them out afterwords to dry off? condensation wont mess it up? I tried using a hairdryer , but no go, they got really hot to hold and they wouldnt come off
...so I quick-dipped the 2 sticks and the spreaders practically fell off by themselves leaving behind a clean and re-usable tape.
and looks like they are indeed BH-5's after all... :D