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http://https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/nvidia_rtx_2080_and_rtx_2080_ti_review/1
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My opinion ~+%25 to 1080ti with 1000$ price... Interesting move from Nvidia.
Hi my old friend Bill , i added another link. Interesting that this new video cards are not supported on windows 7 :/ , only windows 10 x64bit 1803 and forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye
Hi Chispy !
Hope your doing ok :)
Well Win 7 is EOL so it doesn't surprise me Nvidia would not support it.
This has been the case for a few generations now. Basically until AMD pulls a GPU Ryzen, we can't expect any sort of fair pricing.Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
1080 ti was much more better than 980ti compered to 2080ti 1080ti difference with better pricing...Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
There are possible reasons that I can think of but none of them are rational enough for the current situation except nvidia is 100% sure amd has nothing.
But also before nda lift leaks, presentation slides performance comparisons etc. etc. and finally what released is just same as amd with vega. And premium nvidia add to this nonsense is wanting more money for less performance gain.
When was the last time Nvidia lowered prices because of competition?
Exactly, they every rarely do. Don't blame AMD for Nvidia pricing, blame Nvidia. And the people who pay it.
If AMD released 7nm Navi tomorrow I don't think Nvidia would flinch on their pricing.
Exactly, Nvidia has no reason to price things reasonably at the top end. Until AMD delivers a Vega that can keep up for like $500, the top end NV cards are only going to keep creeping up.Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
That's not true, back when AMD had an actual lead (i.e. 5870) Nvidia had to price things reasonably. GTX 680 was frankly a good deal when you consider how it wiped the floor with everything for $500.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluestang
Reasonable pricing is another thing. With this release nvidia left lots of potential 2080ti buyers behind. What is the reason of this. This was exactly wharit nvidia did with titan and give customers a solution with ti. Now maybe if they cant succeed with this we may see a new product next year doing what past ti cards did.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
Well, it was only going to be a matter of time. Graphics cards have been reasonably priced for a very very long time.
Look at the latest iPhones, well over a grand! Turing is infinitely more impressive in my humble opinion.
I wouldn't dream of buying either, but people do and that's the point. A lot of people can afford it and that's what they are aiming for.
Ok so after think about what is said here, Nvidia is 100% sure AMD won't have anything near 1080. So they are getting premium for their performance kings and the real war will be on <2070 (maybe lower) market which means we haven't seen anything from nvidia for competing with their amd counterparts.
Actually after thinking a little more this really makes sense. %90 of the machines participated on steam survey still uses 1080p or below which means 1070 is still an over kill for %90 of the steam gamers (there maybe very exceptional cases which I don't know).
Thanks , i'm doing great :) , i had some little hope for w7 support but you are correct since w7 is eol. I wonder about the scores for hwbot ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye
One other caveat is that these cards support Tensor capabilities. Previously the only benefit the Titan cards had was the enhanced GPGPU capability (often slower than Ti in gaming). If all the mainstream cards have GPGPU capability for machine learning purposes then there's really no incentive to buy a Titan. The more I think about it, the more I feel Nvidia basically just killed off the Titan name and the 2080 Ti took its place. At $3000 the Titan V is a server card at this point that just so happens to having gaming drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
Probably true that the vast majority of people don't need this, but I think the other caveat is that most software developers still haven't really tapped into the full potential of GFX cards. Just look at how much better AMD cards can perform in DX12 and how few games really take advantage of that well.Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
nvidia and microsoft are just pushing for more $$. MS just want to promote win10 all the way possible. nvidia on other hand brings up just some new tech to keep alive their $$. AMD do cares about their customers though
Technically speaking, we don't have any evidence that AMD cares more about their customers. We just know they have a competitive business plan for CPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by xpower
At the end of the day, corporations are just about their bottom line. That's why most of us believe competition is necessary.
The issue I have with this theory is the RTX doesn't need to be. The fact that it was rushed well before the exclusive capabilities are even close to being beta, much less actually working and available, is quite odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
There was nothing pressing NVIDIA to rush this release, was there?
Unless they know AMD has something that might spoil their run coming very soon. Haven't heard much of anything from them, just like before Ryzen was dropped on Intel's lap.Quote:
Originally Posted by StAndrew
AMD is being uncharacteristicly quiet. Either they have nothing or they are going to carpet bomb Nvidia.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluestang
I think they will refresh Vega and stay competitive with pricing (Nvidia isn't making it hard). It'll be another year or two for them really catch up I think. If real time ray tracing takes off as quickly as Nvidia seems to think it will, AMD could find themselves a bit behind...
It looks like they going with big Polaris for consumers and a new vega revision for workstations. After the original vega having vapor ware feature sets and under performing due to global founderies they should be quiet until they are 100% sure on their parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by StAndrew
The problem that i have with this card is that the non-RTX performance jump just isn't big enough to warrant that ludicrous pricing. With a 1080ti already, that pricing is just not justifiable. If I wanted more performance, it would probably make more sense to get another 1080ti and go SLI (yes yes, I know it doesnt work in all games, but the net benefit would probably be better).
If I didn't have a 1080ti already, then a 1080ti would probably still be the best option at this point XD
This really is the generation to skip imo.
I disagree a little. This chip, despite being a smaller process is still physically bigger than Pascal. You're still paying for the extra tensor and RT cores even though current performance reviews are only measuring cusa core performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by SADS
I'm sure NVIDIA has inflated the pricing a bit but its still a big f-in chip.
As a consumer, I don't really care about the size of the chip though. I care about what I'm paying and how good the device is at its job, that price just does not justify what you get from the product.Quote:
Originally Posted by StAndrew
That price isn't just inflated a bit, its inflated a huge amount.
It's priced at Titan levels, without offering Titan performance. What's worse is that it hasn't even got a big enough performance gap to allow something to fit in between it, where a Ti should have landed.
If NV wanted to put out a Titan at some point, sure there's a lot of room to add performance over the 1080Ti/2080Ti (relatively speaking), but they sure as hell are going to have a hard time getting a reasonable price point for it when even the 2080Ti is hard to justify.
The Ti's have usually been the ones to buy beause they gave Titan performance at a more justifiable price, NV has taken that away completed now and hasn't left a clear spot for it.
I understand but bigger means more costly to manufacture. Im also reasonably certain GDDR6 isn't cheap either. And the "performance" you are referring to only applies to half the chip. The potential is much higher than Pascal.Quote:
Originally Posted by SADS
That said, until ray racing and IA AA (what ever its called) becomes mainstream, I wouldn't buy one if there's cards regardless the price.
Maybe Nvidia knows something we don't, but Ryzen was not a surprise. We knew a lot about it a good year in advance and AMD did several previews of it's performance (like the blender test) to get investors excited.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluestang
AMD being quiet is historically a bad sign. They let out tons of sneak previews of Athlon 64 and Ryzen, but were dead silent on Bulldozer once it began to slip deadlines. Same analogy holds true for the HD 4870 through 7870 vs Vega. I think they have nothing in the GPU space and know it. There's a reason they spun off Radeon technologies as a separate entity, and that's so they can break it out of the bottom line in the investor reports. I don't think it's impossible for them to catch up - but Nvidia, unlike Intel, isn't letting off the gas pedal while they're on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by StAndrew
Still, the cost of the product isn't something I care about as a consumer, if the cost has gone up, that's not my fault. It's something that NV has to handle, not necessarily pass onto the customer. Especially when the product doesn't appear to deliver.Quote:
Originally Posted by StAndrew
I do get what you're saying about the potential performance though, but as consumers we shouldn't be buying based on hopes and dreams.... regardless of whether people actually are or not :rolleyes:
I agree on the "wait and see" point. Not laying out a grand on promises. But in the end the company won't be judged on how overpriced it was but how well it sells. Its funny how so many people blame the company for prices but hey, if there are enough stupids with too much money, can't blame Nvidia. All indications I've seen says preorders are selling well.Quote:
Originally Posted by SADS
Agreed. I'm not expecting more than refresh with smaller nodes and slightly better performance. They should do well in the price/performance though.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
IMO AMD will gain market on computing side with 7nm and energy decrease.
I am not blaming nvidia about anything including price. But I love to think and try to understand pricing and marketing strategies which I am trying to do here.
A certain rushed release with performance increase lower than expected and higher pricing. Maybe I cant do anything more than speculation but why not to think about this?
The 2070 is a low end chip (106) and they want $600. That is way too much for a low end chip.
Does anyone know when the 2080 ti will be available for sale in the US ?
I would guess november given how many preorders there were and tsmc 12nm being slow still.
I can't even find a place to preorder. Any links ?Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
The cards already launched so no more preorders. They had day one stock then have to fill pre orders. That is why I guessed November. If you have a small local store they might have a list?Quote:
Originally Posted by dengyong