Ryzen OC

Thanks AMD, Asus, Corsair, Samsung, Galax, Enermax, EK, Sapphire and Gigabyte.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/a0.jpg

I have been away from AMD from over a decade as I wade into the pond. AMD sent me a few processors and motherboards to test the end of last month, the review systems included both Gigabyte and Asus motherboads, Corsair 16GB memory kits, EK Supremacy Predator AIO for Ryzen, and a complete lineup of processors.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/r1.jpg

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/r2.jpg

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/g1.jpg

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/g4.jpg

The 1800X is up first with the Gigabyte X370 Aorus Gaming 5 and the AIO. BIOS temps were showing 50c and it has been many years since I seen a BIOS this stripped down and buggy. I was on BIOS F3f, the reviewers BIOS. It was rushed to get it ready for launch. It took a while to figure out memory holes, settings that do not work, settings that prevented posting, but luckily most of the important settings worked.

As you overclock and make mistakes the BIOS will often reset without notice, so you find yourself going back into BIOS every post to confirm settings are still set. Usually doing things like rebooting, crashing, changing ram (binning) and more will cause BIOS reset with known good settings. You will set settings in BIOS, press F10 and reboot into Windows to find BIOS reset during post far too often.

So once I figured out that XMP and full Auto was my best bet at posting this early bios I was off to the races with clocking this thing up. The BIOS needs time to mature, it may look like I am being hard on Gigabyte but I have not gotten to the Asus yet. I am forgiving to working with early BIOS, just pointing out this was a bit too early to properly evaluate with all out benchmarks knowing that important settings are not working.

My 1800X chip could not run 4.3Ghz on the AIO and had trouble completing Cinebench 15 @ 4.2Ghz 1.4v, going higher in vcore did not help. I was reaching into 80c with the AIO running threaded. 4.1Ghz should be about the max AIR/AIO speed running threaded.

My 1700X could not make the jump to 4.1Ghz with the AIO and moving vcore up and down.

I have not gotten to my 1700 yet, I hope that it will do 4Ghz with the AIO. 3.9Ghz might be a bit more realistic to max AIO.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/ek1.jpg

These chips on the AIO would also beat the best air coolers available so if you are on air, you should be running stock speed. There is not much headroom from ambient temperatures.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/ek2.jpg

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/ch1.jpg

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/ek3.jpg

Switching over to the Kryotek, the Kryotek is a singe stage tandem phase change cooler and it runs at -60c. I could boot into windows @ 4.5Ghz 1.55v easy enough but the load from the CPU ate the Kryotek back to -40c running just one Cinebench, it was able to complete but just barely, any longer and it would crash, running back to back was impossible as I would have to wait for the Krytek to recover. The Kryotek is charged with Iceon 89 @ 5 PSI, it also has a chilly1 block that covers the cores but not the entire IHS. Dropping back to 4.4Ghz with 1.55v I could run back to back. Oddly trying to make the jump to 4.6Ghz was not happening even with 1.7v

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/c2.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/c4.jpg

Now the Autocascade, it runs at -120c and it also features a chilly1 block. I ran for many hours to get a good feel of the CPU, stability, and performance @ 5Ghz 1.7v for Cinebench 15 or anything else I wanted to run. 5.1Ghz was good enough to run single threaded apps. 5.2Ghz 1.8v was not happening even for 1M.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/c1.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/c3.jpg

Lastly, LN2... I was invited to OC for AMD at GDC in SFO. An LN2 exhibition on the Gigabyte board for the AMD Vega launch party. My BIOS was limited to 1.8v max, I only had multiplier adjustment from Windows and a good CPU that would run full pot. I left memory the stock settings with full auto, I moved my VGA to the second PCIe slot and started to pour down and load a profile. Booting in above -180c was not a problem until the SATA ports started disappearing, after fighting with it and trying to get it to boot, I switched over to the M.2 and that seemed to work fine. I ran 32M at 5Ghz a few times to find out that there was a bug with memory or OS in that it would not complete a 32M. I switched to 1M and started to clock the CPU higher. I had no problem in completing Cinebench at 5.2Ghz and pushed for 5.3Ghz but that was not happening with 1.8vcore so I did the next best thing, I switched to CPUID for the 5.4Ghz screen, not a record by any means but shows that the CPU has more to give than the motherboard would allow.

I switched to M.2 after the dropped stopped booting, and finished the night running Time Spy and 1M. Not shooting for world records just to stay busy avoiding the BSOD.

The event was the AMD Vega launch party @ GDC, Live DJ, lots of demo's, food and open bar. The VGA's I ran for my demo were RX 480 Nitro + cards clocked at 1337Mhz.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/a1.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/a2.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/a3.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/a4.jpg

I spent a few days pushing the platform, testing IO, really figuring out the system. On air the first system smoked the USB ports, the CPU was OK. One of the odd things it did before death was it wrote the backup BIOS to the main BIOS rather than just switching them. I brought the board back just to cut the CPU socket from it as I plan on lapping the 1800X using the socket to protect the pins. The second motherboard I used at the OC demo also had a USB port die in the PS2 stack. The second motherboard also re wrote the oldest F1 bios onto the newest F3 BIOS during my session, pretty much ending my session. The SATA drive is damaged, I hoped to get the screens and validations from it.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/a2.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/a3.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/a4.jpg

Upon my arrival back in Vegas, I had the Asus X370 Crosshair waiting for me. I get into BIOS to find a ton more development done by Asus and lots of new knobs to play with. I had a much easier time adjusting memory timing and ratios with being being able to reboot without reset. I had working bus adjustment to try higher memory frequencies. I strapped in the AutoCascade got to temp, had all my settings saved in profiles, freshly loaded OS set to land a 5Ghz 32M. I ran my first 32M at stock, it was just under 10 seconds and I rebooted. The system kept cycling post codes, after a few minutes I hit reset and it cycled endlessly, I then held the power and powered the system off. It never posted again. It was not a condensation issue, nor was the mounting too tight. I tried a few more times with AIO installed, I also try to do the emergency BIOS flash, it goes through the process but the post LED never comes on when I press the power button. Asus has another board in route now.

Both X370 motherboards do this weird thing where when you reset BIOS, change ram, PCIe, or CPU it will reboot like 8 times in a row. This seems to be normal.

For every 20c in cooling you should be able to get 100Mhz in CPU speed.

Time is needed for the platform to mature as board partners work to build a solid board for this platform.

As Ryzen scales up, efficiency shows that AMD can win in a few benchmarks but there is a lot of bugs, these bugs prevent some benchmarks from running or completing.

I would estimate 1 year to catch todays 6950X on a stock speed 8 core.

X370 pushes all devices through the chipset except VGA, the chipset is connected with 4x lanes. We noticed a lot of issues with IO performance like opening file manager to wait seconds for devices to refresh. Hard drive benchmarks are 10% behind Z270 on both SATA and M.2. I was hoping for some advancement in the hard drive department but 4x lanes is the fastest you will go without adding a PCIe AIC.

The chips are binned close to the edge of thermal window, there is not much more than 100Mhz headroom over XFR speed. The chips adjust core voltage automatically depending on core temp, at stock ambient 1.212v, -120 drops it down to 1.1v but when it is 60c the vcore at post is 1.41v+

Performance scales with Mhz as does the thermals, it acts like the 95w cpu goes to 200w by increasing the CPU speed to 4.4Ghz with 1.55v. I was amazed on how badly my cooler was losing temp for such a small step.

Once again AMD has a good chip, staged at being very competitive in that it beats Intel in a few threaded applications. As the manufacturing process will matures, clock speeds will go up. Intel still has the frequency lead but as the Ryzen scales up in speed that lead is lost. AMD's has another hurdle and that is with board developers commitments to delivering competitive products for AMD. No offense Gigabyte but your board failed me, it was barely functional at launch and should be avoided by anyone who plans on entering the BIOS. Asus has done a far better job on delivering a product ready for the store shelves. I have not seen the other manufacturers boards to comment, I would guess that they are somewhere in between these two I mentioned.

What I do like is the strong scaling, it can do a lot of work threaded. It will hit users expectations for performance, this cpu is right on target with a large desktop performance segment of the market.

A huge thanks to Simon Solotko for pointing me towards James Prior and getting things fixed.

Also thanks to Scott Wasson and Omar Faiz, they went the extra mile.

And just a lot more thanks to Jon Coulter from Tweaktown.

Good stuff Fugger!

Thanks Charles !!

Looks about right charles and as i have guessed reliable cold testing is not quite ready yet. Its possible but not mature enough yet. Thx for the info and confirmation of my concerns.

did you tried another OS for complete 32M run?

Wow Fugger on AMD, never thought I would see the day!

Good job

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My Asus X370 Crosshair VI Hero is in the "bricked" club. I have been searching this for a few days and reports from other sites and even reddit thread.

No fix that I have found so far.

Argh !!
I thought that was one of the best boards ?

The best board will give me oldschool heatsinks, no lights a bad azz bios that will confuse all, dual 8 pin input power and my oc + - ref clock buttons. Until then there is no such thing :D

5Ghz 32M done working on timing now.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...3&d=1489036890

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My Asus X370 Crosshair VI Hero is in the "bricked" club. I have been searching this for a few days and reports from other sites and even reddit thread.

No fix that I have found so far.

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damn :(

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My Asus X370 Crosshair VI Hero is in the "bricked" club. I have been searching this for a few days and reports from other sites and even reddit thread.

No fix that I have found so far.

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Ouch. I hope Flank3r can help other C6H owners get through this problem.

Charles with the corsair that came in kit and frisky voltage you can pull them in to like 10-13-13-28 should help a little.

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My Asus X370 Crosshair VI Hero is in the "bricked" club. I have been searching this for a few days and reports from other sites and even reddit thread.

No fix that I have found so far.

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Awesome stuff Charles :up: , great to see you are enjoying Ryzen. Thanks for the overclocking report , information and pictures :yepp:

Welcome to the club Charles :p: , i am also a victim of the "bricked" club see here: see my post # 46 http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=167530&page=5 and Elmor's response.


As Oliver used to say " Keep Pushing " ...

Got It !
Thanks

32M at full speed on Windows 10 with HPET enabled.

To get around processor scheduler bug, set affinity to every other core starting with core 0

One good thing about clear mounting is that I can see if there is any condensation, I am on my fourth session without breaking down. Tuesday I ran for over 8 hours, went to lunch and took a few breaks with system at 5Ghz.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/r32.jpg

Awesome to see XS being xtreme yet again! :D

I was away for some time, and when I came back, it seemed the forums had more-or-less died. Seems like Ryzen has injected a breath of fresh air into XS though! :up:

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Awesome to see XS being xtreme yet again! :D

I was away for some time, and when I came back, it seemed the forums had more-or-less died. Seems like Ryzen has injected a breath of fresh air into XS though! :up:

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Work in progress. I think the site hack hurt XS and superbinning killed ocing preety bad but if we come here to have fun XS will live :cool:

Most important of all is those with experience guiding others, I'm like yoda now near the end, time for others to walk the path of the jedi :up:

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The 1800X is up first with the Gigabyte X370 Aorus Gaming 5 and the AIO. BIOS temps were showing 50c and it has been many years since I seen a BIOS this stripped down and buggy.

X370 pushes all devices through the chipset except VGA, the chipset is connected with 4x lanes. We noticed a lot of issues with IO performance like opening file manager to wait seconds for devices to refresh. Hard drive benchmarks are 10% behind Z270 on both SATA and M.2. I was hoping for some advancement in the hard drive department but 4x lanes is the fastest you will go without adding a PCIe AIC.

No offense Gigabyte but your board failed me, it was barely functional at launch and should be avoided by anyone who plans on entering the BIOS. Asus has done a far better job on delivering a product ready for the store shelves. I have not seen the other manufacturers boards to comment, I would guess that they are somewhere in between these two I mentioned.

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I've tested F3, F4, and F5C for the Aorus Gaming 5, to those points all I have to really add are;

- Thank christ somebody else is saying it, I started saying it several days ago and felt like it was falling on deaf ears.
- I didn't see anything to really worry about in the quick mechanical HDD test and SSD tests I did, performance is fairly good, certainly nothing to worry about compared to everything else.
- Agreed, the AX370 Gaming 5 is almost a complete and utter failure at launch it's UEFI is not even in the beta stages IMO, it's still in alpha testing. Gigabyte should be ashamed of themselves.

So on the dead C6H: is it fully bricked, or is it in a reboot loop?

Also, i have heard that C6H UEFI rev 0902 will fix the spontaneous bricking issue?

I saw the post but have not tried to un brick it yet with that bios, I did try previous a few times.

Mine went into reboot loops and when I cycled power it was KO.

elmor said it is the EC Firmware that goes K.O. and needs to be reprogrammed.
It could be done either by unsoldering that chip and reprogramming it or by attaching a clamp to it, which would be the easier option, although I only have a programmer, but no clamp.
My board is still fine though, but I will probably update with newest 0902 bios.
I don't know how to extract EC firmware, but in theory it should be a block in the bios file or maybe it's a separate secondary file.
Not sure if it is contained in the bios file or not.

Link to elmor's post: http://forum.hwbot.org/showpost.php?...6&postcount=69

I will send it back to Asus to be fixed next week.

I can also confirm the Gigabyte motherboards are not equal, in fact the three I have all perform differently.

Two boards that burnt USB ports could do 2933XMP and 3200 on B die with loose timing. load defaults set XMP and reboot works...

The board that has all working USB cannot do XMP or 2933+ with loose timings and maxes out at 2666CL10 @ 1.6v, I have two reviewer kits of the Corsair that will do CL12 @ 2933Mhz on the above boards.

I also noted that the Asus is far stronger at Pi than Gigabyte, how can the gap be so huge. The Gigabyte is more than 100Mhz behind in 1M than the Asus with exact same timing. I can run worse timing and beat the Gigabyte board with CL10. No matter how hard I tried I could not pull a 10s 1M run @ 4.1Ghz (XFR) on Gigabyte and Asus will hit it first try. Granted my Gigabyte board doesn't work correctly but all 3 cannot pull 10s 1M @ stock on the 1800X. Performance on Windows 7 is also worse than Windows 10. Another test I ran was PCMark 7, same ram, same HD, stock speed, same video card on both Asus and Gigabyte machines, Asus scores 8300 and the Gigabyte was 7700, overclocking I could not break 8K on the Gigabyte.

I will upload more screens, I left the office late yesterday without uploading.

A tight timing machine should pull 9.x seconds in 1M

Ok, mine is dead, too. Same reboot cycles, then hit reset button manually and that was it.
Bios flashback button does not work (doesn't light up), power button lights up, but does nothing and board does not turn on at all.
I was in the beginning of my LN2 session, trying to see what the cpu likes. Voltages were not really high.

PS: And I had 0902 flashed.

Fugger have you tested the 1700 yet...

I'm interested if 4ghz 24/7 with a 240 AIO is doable...

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Ok, mine is dead, too. Same reboot cycles, then hit reset button manually and that was it.
Bios flashback button does not work (doesn't light up), power button lights up, but does nothing and board does not turn on at all.
I was in the beginning of my LN2 session, trying to see what the cpu likes. Voltages were not really high.

PS: And I had 0902 flashed.

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Oh jeez. Sorry man.

I had a chance to push the 1700 last night for about three hours on the Autocascade with the busted USB GBT X370 board. It hit exactly where I expected based on the close binning window and gate leakage. When AMD reduces gate leakage through advancements in process it will be good competition for Intel.

I did not run it on AIO yet, hopefully next week as I attempt to boot OS X Sierra on it with the AIO.

https://valid.x86.fr/0knbgt
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7&d=1489769486

That is the max speed I could loop threaded applications with two cores enabled. I tried to get 5Ghz stable but this chip at this temperature would not give me the 5Ghz like the 1700X and 1800X. Due to bug the screen shot shows 4c4t enabled or the BIOS setting is incorrect. I went back into to confirm the 2+2 setting in BIOS and I also switched to 4+0 and tested. The attached screenshot is 2+2 @ 1.7v
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&d=1489769601

And for the max speed all cores and threads enabled @ 1.6v
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&d=1489770715

This is the max the 1800X was getting from the same Autocascade.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&d=1489770719

Thanks FUGGER!
200MHz between average and good RYZEN die on autocascade is quite a bit.

BTW is the screen above with 2+2 SMT on or off? It looks like off, but better to ask.

SMT was enabled, and I would have to disable.

I will run again with the other board

I fired up the 1700X and Aorus X370 on the auto cascade last night and tried to get 5ghz stable, I even dropped down to two cores to get 32M stable. I was in and out of BIOS with LLC and SOC bumps even lowing the voltage on vcore to get it to pass. I am bummed that my 1700X could not run the 3200Mhz divider for memory as well. The regular 1700 was able to no problem, so far the 1700 was the best memory OC chip.

I was tuning in 3000CL10 and the motherboard died on me, roughly one hour into session. I was in windows and rebooted to go into BIOS, post code was hanging at 15, I held the power button and it would not power off, I hit the power switch on the PSU. When I turn it on now it will do a quick set of power on and then off, It will do this power cycle about 8 times in two seconds and have 00 on the post LED.

I will go get a B350 to abuse next.

The asus b350 likes sammies. Hynix not so much.

Your going to be voltage limited on it. I can get about 1.50 max.

The prime x370 pro goes to 2.0v solid pwm but has some serious voltage fluctuation

Msi may need better memory support on b350.

No clue on giga read reports bios not working with sammy yet.

The mobo is dead. I tested with my 1700 in the socket and it does the same power loop thing.

I will get my screens of the M.2 later.

Take everything out plug in 24 pin only flip psu on. Check pci x power the 5 power and 1 ground. If you need a pin out diagram let me know.

Probably still have my phone # to. Has not changed. Feel free to give me a buzz if needed.

Fugger, do you plan on trying higher mhz ram?
I've seen some benchmarks showing higher speed memory (3600mhz for instance) making a significant performance improvement.

I would love to have shown higher memory speed but not all boards/chips can breach 3000Mhz where you lose stability and tests do not complete.

My 1700 has the best memory capability, I hit 3200C12 no problem but without turbo bclk built onto the motherboard I was not able to adjust to any speeds faster.

My 1800X cannot do XMP @ 2933Mhz

I picked up a new board from Frys today, a B350 board...

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I picked up a new board from Frys today, a B350 board...

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If you end up being volt limited get me a high res shot of voltage controller.

I should be fine, I want to do 4100Mhz on the 1800X and 240 EK Predator

I got the MSI B350 GP

Great thread! :up:

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I would love to have shown higher memory speed but not all boards/chips can breach 3000Mhz where you lose stability and tests do not complete.

My 1700 has the best memory capability, I hit 3200C12 no problem but without turbo bclk built onto the motherboard I was not able to adjust to any speeds faster.

My 1800X cannot do XMP @ 2933Mhz

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Thanks man! Great info.
I'm holding off till we get much better bioses.
Do you think that this is a good platform to take the dive into chilled liquid cooling (like an aquarium chiller)?

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I would love to have shown higher memory speed but not all boards/chips can breach 3000Mhz where you lose stability and tests do not complete.

My 1700 has the best memory capability, I hit 3200C12 no problem but without turbo bclk built onto the motherboard I was not able to adjust to any speeds faster.

My 1800X cannot do XMP @ 2933Mhz

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So my suspicions were correct, it may not be just the boards but the actually IMC being widely different in performance. I have a set of Trident Z that are rated for 3200c12 on x99 but can't get the timings to work properly no matter what on my 1800x even with the memory voltage set to 1.5V but others are able to. Luckly these cheap samsung single sided b die I have are able to do 3200C14 with AM4.

X99 qualified sticks i have cant do rated z270 platform stuff i bought do rated and better benching.

Part of its 10 timings piss off imc.

Even if you can do rated stability tests that hammer imc/mem pop errors @ 3200.

All other apps run flawless.

Oddly enough i can run 2933 on all 3 chips i have np stability imc/mem tests included.

Until i see boards i have on newer microcode i will hold off judgement as to imc or memory as the cause.

Have you guys tried loosening the timings a little on the ram?
From the little that I've seen, Ryzen craves overall speed over lower latency.

I have, on my Trident Z that are 3200C12 rated on X99, I could only do 3200C14 and not boot any lower. However I have seen people do 3200C12 on Ryzen which is why it's pissing me off. Tried 3300-3600mhz C18 with 1.6V and still no dice.

Chew* Hmm that is so weird then, I would think the x99 rated ones are more stringent because of the quad channel. I noticed that as well but since I'm using it not as a daily driver, thought it was fine for now. Definitely a lot more fun then I anticipated even tho it's buggy as heck.

So far the MSI B350 is minimal but the bios is nice, what you would expect in a gaming board. First thing I tried was 3200C12 settings and rebooted no problem but when I tried to push the CPU to 4Ghz it would not get even close with 2+0 cores enabled.

I am setup on the EK Supremacy Predator 240 AIO cooler and I am using TG Hydro TIM. 3.5Ghz all cores in CB15 @ 1.2v was working. I will hook up the AC unit today and try again for 4Ghz 32M @ 1.4v 2+0

This board will confirm the chip or the board with 1800X and 1700X IMC incapability of 2933+

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So far the MSI B350 is minimal but the bios is nice, what you would expect in a gaming board. First thing I tried was 3200C12 settings and rebooted no problem but when I tried to push the CPU to 4Ghz it would not get even close with 2+0 cores enabled.

I am setup on the EK Supremacy Predator 240 AIO cooler and I am using TG Hydro TIM. 3.5Ghz all cores in CB15 @ 1.2v was working. I will hook up the AC unit today and try again for 4Ghz 32M @ 1.4v 2+0

This board will confirm the chip or the board with 1800X and 1700X IMC incapability of 2933+

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if done right, it should be about 8:17 in windows 10. I'll post up screens tonight for comparison as I have already done this... though I'm using amd stock rgb cooler and zero cold.

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So far the MSI B350 is minimal but the bios is nice, what you would expect in a gaming board. First thing I tried was 3200C12 settings and rebooted no problem but when I tried to push the CPU to 4Ghz it would not get even close with 2+0 cores enabled.

I am setup on the EK Supremacy Predator 240 AIO cooler and I am using TG Hydro TIM. 3.5Ghz all cores in CB15 @ 1.2v was working. I will hook up the AC unit today and try again for 4Ghz 32M @ 1.4v 2+0

This board will confirm the chip or the board with 1800X and 1700X IMC incapability of 2933+

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No it wont.

I have boards that refuse to post with smt off downcore 2+0 + high mem.

Same cpu same memory different board runs fine on high mem smt off 2+0.

Updated BIOS to 2.2 and I am stable now at 4Ghz but with the limitation of 1.5v I am working on best balance of speed and timing.

biostar racing application allows you to set higher voltage than bios ;)

I was stuck at 1.5v vdimm as well on the gt7 before I figured this out. app probably works for other boards with IR controller and fets.

Zens biostar for example bricks bios smt off and downcore 2+0.

My x370 pro loves it.

Ch6 refuses to post so far....

MSI B350 Gaming Pro: Great board for the price.

Bios is functional for absurd price of $79, features only one PCIe slot and best to take use of that M.2 slot with the $100+ you saved.

You are not paying for stuff you do not need, enough engineering to mix the newest of technology smashed together to get to market on time. For $79 MSI figured out how to make the chip work for you with stability.

These chips are binned so closely to the branding that there is no need to spend more as these are good to 4Ghz'ish max. They are really strong chips even though the headroom is non existent without sub zero cooling.

I have tested all three skews, multiple of the 1800X to know where the retails are hitting from testing many of the press samples. AMD did a great job using new technology that seems to be a bit rough at launch, but has a lot of potential as gate leakage is fixed and the processor speed scales up.

My MSI board is still alive, I ran some threaded stuff 4ghz to confirm both that you really need a good board and good IMC in the chip.
This board is pushing my chip uphill with stability or I just had a few bad GBT boards.

These boards are good for pushing Ryzen 7 to 4Ghz, more of a gamble if you will see 3200Mhz on your memory.

That said, there is a high chance I will buy a few of these boards for my Ryzen chips to make into workstations here.

I will try the Biostar board soon,

You need to take into consideration agesa ( microcode ) on board versus your findings my 2c.

Your on latest now with that bios in msi...gaming 5 oldest.

800105,800110,800111 just a few that various boards are on.

Also there is the dud board factor from a quite obviously rushed launch.

My little b350 is great.

I would not run 4.0 24/7 though.

3.6-3.8 chip dependant at 1.30 maybe.

Benching does not get it warm enough...crunching guys will get it hot though...

Pwms plus volts needed. Asking for problems.

Real Bench is good for stability testing on Ryzen but you cannot submit scores. Something with the wrapper and logging into hwbot, I think it is trying to open a browser window that is causing the hard crashes, does not matter if I open browser first, after I login from the pull down. HPET is enabled 1700 @ 4ghz 1.4v threaded heavy multitasking.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/rbsave.png

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/rbcrash.png

I will re run this as I tune and swap OS. This is with HPET enabled.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/r74g.png

This is was one of my 1800X saves, useless as it is Win10 but a completed 5Gz run. HPET was enabled.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/32mm.png

is the browser edge or IE? could be an edge bug. maybe change default browser to ie?

I disconnected the network and clicked the login and it does not crash.

I will try browser

Asus B350 Prime arrived today along with a few new parts

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Asus B350 Prime arrived today along with a few new parts

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Is that the same Prime B350-Plus that Chew has? If so, after you get the latest BIOS flashed, would you be willing to use AMIAFU to dump it for me? Chew was going to test it on his board to see if they'll flash on ASUS (apparently modded ones will flash on MSI according to another member), but will need a dumped ROM and not the 'CAP' variant that comes in the download. :P

Mine is the Plus, I will do the dump but it will take a day as I am

I have been trying to get lower than CL10 sub 3000Mhz on the C6H, risking my partition, this board will also pull 3600Mhz+ pretty easy on air.

I wish I could show you the new stuff but a few more days left till NDA lifts, I pushed to 5Ghz with SMT disabled to run more 32M.

The C6H is still alive.

The non R7 chips seem to be better at getting to 4500Mhz, the 1800X is the best binned of all.

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Mine is the Plus, I will do the dump but it will take a day as I am

I have been trying to get lower than CL10 sub 3000Mhz on the C6H, risking my partition, this board will also pull 3600Mhz+ pretty easy on air.

I wish I could show you the new stuff but a few more days left till NDA lifts, I pushed to 5Ghz with SMT disabled to run more 32M.

The C6H is still alive.

The non R7 chips seem to be better at getting to 4500Mhz, the 1800X is the best binned of all.

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may be an spd or bios limit. I set c9 last night and the board was NOT happy at all.

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may be an spd or bios limit. I set c9 last night and the board was NOT happy at all.

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https://s2.postimg.org/3vczkdlbt/screen541.jpg

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You need to take into consideration agesa ( microcode ) on board versus your findings my 2c.
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800105,800110,800111 just a few that various boards are on.
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Awesome post. :up:

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Is that the same Prime B350-Plus that Chew has? If so, after you get the latest BIOS flashed, would you be willing to use AMIAFU to dump it for me? Chew was going to test it on his board to see if they'll flash on ASUS (apparently modded ones will flash on MSI according to another member), but will need a dumped ROM and not the 'CAP' variant that comes in the download. :P

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Can you get a raw dump of the ami bios'es with this app?
You don't happen to know what compression algo they are using with ami do you?, award was using a variant of lha.
Edit: Is it possible to flash a raw dump to the boards somehow as well ? (other then using a usb stick, instead of CAP is it as simple as .ROM ?)


As a side note, anyone have a reliable method for spd dumping and programming these days ?, one without a crazy smbus scan that hoses boards...
Just with bad experiences with smbus scans in the past, I'm hesitant to run anything that does one, though linux lm-sensor scan with sensors-detect was fine on my board (intel though), so was msi afterburners smbus scan (don't remember how to doit though).
I'm aware of issues causes with a null spd when clearing the cmos... :) (and I think everyone else should be too lol..., either way..)

It appears to me.., some of these boards are relying on the spd to set the main timings ?
And tweaking spd's got me higher overclocks on ddr1.., I never did track down what was going on in the bios that responded to those changes since it was i2c, and I don't know i2c yet.
I wish I wouldn't of lost my asm linux kernal call code for pci bus access, early linux adoption woes I guess (forgot to back it up off my desktop before going for a clean install).
It took alot of darn work to parse the cmd line tail, unlike dos where it was easy, linux doesn't expect you to pass raw data through pipes so it can be a pain to get it working the way you want.
It really needed a kernel module to add whole dumps the fs somewhere, like /dev for example or something, but each device can be diff, take a normal pci device dump compared to say an isa bridge dump with temps, where it needs an offset and io size defined kinda like the pci bus but a little diff.
Blah I'm going on a rant...

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https://s2.postimg.org/3vczkdlbt/screen541.jpg

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must be a strap issue I am seeing.

Sorry was gone for a week and today has already started off with a big bang.

Firing up the system so I can upload some screens for the R5,

With the lower wattage needed for these they are easier to cool, We should see a slightly higher Mhz capability as you step down in core count. For the autocascade at -120c I could bench all cores at 4.8Ghz, it looks like there are much better chips out there to be found than my random retail.

As we know lower timing is now always faster so I spent a lot of time on the C6H just playing with timing and testing each setting with 32GB installed for dual rank.

New memory came in and based on the timing and speed I think they are Microns.

Let me get situated and I will post up some Ryzen 5 screens.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/r5/c1.png

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/r5/c2.png

I was able to reach 5Ghz on the 1600X after I disabled SMT, then it was much easier to bench at that speed to plug away at some 32M.

I was able to boot in at 3700Mhz DDR4 on the HOF but SOC voltage was not helping on cold or I was pushing it too much and switched back to retest AFR.

Firing up the 1500X in the cascade today, I hope to break 5Ghz easier and get some screens on some different 16GB kits or I will stick with the AFR work on 3Ghz CL14.

Geil sent me some Dragon Ram "Specteks" modules, only a 16GB kit of 2x8GB.

I got my Ryzen 7 1700X to run at 4017MHz after i disabled SMT. Ram at 2133MHz.
Just one question can i use 1.439V-- cpu v core for 247 use?
My cpu is watercooled. CPUID is reporting 47?C idle temp
and prime95 load after one and half hour stress test got to 89?C

It should be fine at that temp.

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It should be fine at that temp.

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Thanks alot for the info. :up:

I tried a few days of gaming, I took my best parts reloaded an OS and setup Crossfire with the RX 480's.

It took a bit of fiddling with the C6H BIOS to find the best profile for fan control but after a few tweaks the Predator 240 AIO was nice and quiet. I set my Corsair LPX B Die to 3200C14-14-14-28 and tried to get 4.1 to run 24/7 with 1.4v but I had to drop back to 4Ghz @ 1.35v after a couple of crashes on the 1700X.

With newest bios boot times are still a bit long but in game load times were great, having first vehicle option in Battle Field but it can be an issue with online games if you crash. One of the PVP games I play is World of Warcraft, while easy on both CPU and GPU the reboot time will drop you from any raid or instance before you can return all while you have your head in the case watching the post codes fly by making sure it does not hang up on something.

Once you are dialed in all is great in both stability and performance, the RX 480's are strong cards that I have no driver or graphics related issues so far.

I think that starting a thread where members can help others out by submitting their Ryzen oc settings, will be awesome. I got infos on how to get around the new settings in CH 6 from another website. Maybe a forum for smart phones (firmware flashing and modifications) will be cool too.;)

I was running fine when I left it running on Friday but when I come back today it is sitting with post code 8, I pulled battery and re flashed, still dead.

Searching...

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I think that starting a thread where members can help others out by submitting their Ryzen oc settings, will be awesome. I got infos on how to get around the new settings in CH 6 from another website. Maybe a forum for smart phones (firmware flashing and modifications) will be cool too.;)

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There are already videos with 3.9 and 4.0 stable with 32g ram....videos show how to set bios...what more is needed?

I switched CPU's and it fired up again, tested the 1800X and it is fine in a different board. Tried to get back to the setting i had before with four sticks of AFR memory.

With four AFR modules installed performance is really good but trying to run at 3000+Mhz has issues, using DOCP or full auto @ 3000Mhz works perfect, went back into BIOS and moved only my memory to 3200Mhz and rebooted to the post code 8 again.

Swapped back to a 1600X and I will try 4 sticks of Micron instead of the AFR.

I actually went out and purchased a new Corsair 400C case, had crossfire setup with the FX 580 cards, the beefy EKWB Predator 240 AIO, 1TB M.2 EVO 960

http://www.xtremesystems.org/fugger/ryzen/400c.jpg

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There are already videos with 3.9 and 4.0 stable with 32g ram....videos show how to set bios...what more is needed?

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Well i don't know if visiting another site to get infos is better as getting it from here and equally it's good for fugger the site owner traffic wise. Meanwhile there are lots of motherboards out there and members can post the hardware and cooling being used with oc settings. Just like the old times.

Meanwhile the xs i know is not all about getting stable overclocking it's all about pushing the limits.and posting to show how it was done. Well members don't get motivated by seeing Pros like fugger pushing the limits with his unlimited resources. They get their kick when they read or hear that an average Joe is pushing his hardwares to the limit and their will like to out do him.

Um the videos are on this site.

Im not an average joe.

All my boards are paid for cash. And im far from rich....but i am still not average ;)

After more trying to figure this post code 8 and why it kept popping up, even during benching.

I switched CPU coolers and the problem went away.

I used the correct mounting hardware with the EKWB but for some reason it causes CPU issues and I had some posting issues with it on GBT thinking it was the gbt board.

How can the EKWB AIO cause memory and posting issues with the AM4 socket? I am 100% positive now that this was the problem.

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After more trying to figure this post code 8 and why it kept popping up, even during benching.

I switched CPU coolers and the problem went away.

I used the correct mounting hardware with the EKWB but for some reason it causes CPU issues and I had some posting issues with it on GBT thinking it was the gbt board.

How can the EKWB AIO cause memory and posting issues with the AM4 socket? I am 100% positive now that this was the problem.

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The backplate may be shorting the board out.

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post636041
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment..._1800x_code_8/

Yep, thats the same thing I was going through.

I removed the center portion after having no boot on GBT.

The rubber is thick had did not have any contact issues that I could see in all installations.

This is the GEIL EVO RGB (B Die) modules in XMPA

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&d=1493230496

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Yep, thats the same thing I was going through.

I removed the center portion after having no boot on GBT.

The rubber is thick had did not have any contact issues that I could see in all installations.

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Maybe the rubber was what was doing the conducting - maybe check resistance with multimeter? Sometimes EDPM comes mixed with aluminum or carbon black.

elmor says about CH6:

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Using the EK Predator or Supremacy rubber gasket causes the board not to turn on or become unstable. Contact EK directly for a replacement."

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I have been trying to get lower than CL10 sub 3000Mhz on the C6H,

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may be an spd or bios limit. I set c9 last night and the board was NOT happy at all.

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Do i get a cookie now for figuring it out? :D

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6msikn6u.jpg