Everyone can find the overall and project by project scores which are updated hourly by going to:
http://www.seti-germany.de/wcg/stats...oj=WCG&lang=en
At first update we got #1 overall
http://i62.tinypic.com/4l2jjl.jpg
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Everyone can find the overall and project by project scores which are updated hourly by going to:
http://www.seti-germany.de/wcg/stats...oj=WCG&lang=en
At first update we got #1 overall
http://i62.tinypic.com/4l2jjl.jpg
We've dropped to second... Scotty, we need more power!
something weird happened .... Looks like the start time changed.... scores now lower than before
Those charts ... there's something very odd about them.
Very odd. We (and other teams too) are getting negative points.
http://www.seti-germany.de/wcg/stats...oj=WCG&lang=en
Hmmpf.
I uploaded my cached work after the stats run on the 16th, over 96000 WCG worth, only to find that WCG are counting it the NEXT stats run.
The stats linked in the top post appear to be taken from the stats run that I anticipated would be the beginning while WCG seem to be taking them from the run after.
Day two and we begin to see if we are out-gunned or if, with the gamesmanship out of the way, we can creep back to the top.
so far the scores look very similar between teams
Brought six more cores online today. I should be able to run them for the challenge but that's it.
Good work guys :up:
With luck, TPU can be solidly #3 :)
Yesterday it looked all fine. We were closing in on Seti-Germany on every update. But Yesterday evening they made a big jump in one update. Most hourly scores were 300-350k but the big one was 1.7 million.
I hope they stop doing that. :yepp:
Put my boy's 3770K on this too but it seems flakey.... passes memtest overnight, passes LinX *50 passes no problem but came home to a rig that had shut down ????
set to never sleep and blank screen after 15m..... What have I missed ??
Did it shut down of did it sleep/hibernate? If the latter there might be something else in the OS power settings. If the former there could be a shutdown time set in the BIOS or task scheduler. Alternatively, make sure there wasn't someone involved pressing the button.
pressing a key did not wake it. Nobody at home to press anything. Will go through the other power settings...
Meanwhile
Linux Mint: just downloaded new boinc to boinc made executable, ran, changed into BOINC, copied into /usr/bin/
rig does not connect to client.
copied the projects file from var/lib/boinc-cllient and put it in the BOINC file created above by going su.
both instances of the projects file are locked.
How to unlock ?
Running from the BOINC file starts but invites me to add project.
The changeover from old boinc running to new to old again worked fine on those rigs where I was running from the BOINC folder but failed where I had originally downloaded from the repository then upgraded using the DA guide
Look in the boinc data folder for a file called "lockfile". If it's still there when the client isn't running, delete it. I THINK that should take care of the client not being able to use that data folder.
As for changing client versions, if you go back too far they store the data in different formats and the older client can hose data from the newer one. I wouldn't have expected that to be a problem with everything v7 plus though and thought it was only a problem with v6 clients.
nope still the same.
Can I chown -r ? if so what should I use for owner?
For the ones running from your home directory, make them owned by your user. For the ones from the repository they need to be owned by either root or boinc, I'm not sure which.
edit: Ok, just looked. Almost everything in the /var/lib/boinc-client directory is owned by user and group boinc with the exceptions of the links to the config files in the /etc/boinc-client directory. If those ownerships were changed for moving etc then they'll need to be changed back.
All now running but individual files, within the folder containing new work, that are done and zipped are also locked and not seen by manager
Is there a batch unlock or a way to be root from the graphical interface in order to change these ??
Depending on the desktop interface you can often open a given folder as root with the file manager. I tend to do it from the command line though but exactly how will depend on exactly what I'm trying to change.
Are the locked files owned by the right user or is it something else?
permissions states "boinc-BOINC core-client" but this is likely as given when running in standard download mode.
I have suspended network and am waiting on current wu's to complete..... just to see how those end up in the file system and what ownership is shown once ready to upload.
bed now though or I am bound to mess up something even more
Well, for later then:
This is what I'd expect to see on a machine with BOINC installed from the repositories:
and this is one from the Berkley installer with a result ready to report but already uploaded:Code:michael@girlz-desktop /var/lib/boinc-client $ ls -al
total 528
drwxr-xr-x 5 boinc boinc 4096 Nov 18 12:15 .
drwxr-xr-x 67 root root 4096 Nov 17 10:52 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 2704 Nov 17 22:07 account_www.worldcommunitygrid.org.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 57823 Nov 17 10:53 all_projects_list.xml
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Nov 17 10:52 ca-bundle.crt -> /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Nov 17 10:52 cc_config.xml -> /etc/boinc-client/cc_config.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 141858 Nov 18 12:14 client_state_prev.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 141974 Nov 18 12:14 client_state.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 155 Nov 17 17:22 coproc_info.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 216 Nov 18 12:15 daily_xfer_history.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 2092 Nov 17 10:54 get_project_config.xml
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 Nov 17 10:52 global_prefs_override.xml -> /etc/boinc-client/global_prefs_override.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 3285 Nov 17 10:55 global_prefs.xml
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Nov 17 10:52 gui_rpc_auth.cfg -> /etc/boinc-client/gui_rpc_auth.cfg
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 1804 Nov 18 12:14 job_log_www.worldcommunitygrid.org.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 0 Nov 17 10:53 lockfile
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 142 Nov 17 10:55 lookup_account.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 32572 Nov 17 10:55 master_www.worldcommunitygrid.org.xml
drwxrwx--x 2 boinc boinc 4096 Nov 18 11:31 notices
drwxrwx--x 3 boinc boinc 4096 Nov 17 10:55 projects
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Nov 17 10:52 remote_hosts.cfg -> /etc/boinc-client/remote_hosts.cfg
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 28032 Nov 18 11:31 sched_reply_www.worldcommunitygrid.org.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 19398 Nov 18 11:31 sched_request_www.worldcommunitygrid.org.xml
drwxrwx--x 4 boinc boinc 4096 Nov 17 10:58 slots
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 1074 Nov 18 11:31 statistics_www.worldcommunitygrid.org.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 176 Nov 17 10:55 stderrdae.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 0 Nov 17 10:53 stderrgpudetect.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 44948 Nov 18 12:14 stdoutdae.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 0 Nov 17 10:53 stdoutgpudetect.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 278 Nov 17 17:22 time_stats_log
Code:michael@Mint-Boxen ~/BOINC $ ls -al
total 6612
drwxr-xr-x 7 michael michael 4096 Nov 18 12:37 .
drwxr-xr-x 69 michael michael 4096 Nov 18 12:37 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 2704 Nov 5 13:24 account_www.worldcommunitygrid.org.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 57823 Nov 7 02:37 all_projects_list.xml
-rw------- 1 michael michael 219 Apr 17 2013 binstall.sh
-rwx--x--x 1 michael michael 971240 Mar 1 2014 boinc
-rwx--x--x 1 michael michael 273592 Mar 1 2014 boinccmd
-rwx--x--x 1 michael michael 1922008 Mar 1 2014 boincmgr
-rw------- 1 michael michael 815 Mar 29 2013 boincmgr.16x16.png
-rw------- 1 michael michael 2395 Mar 29 2013 boincmgr.32x32.png
-rw------- 1 michael michael 5570 Mar 29 2013 boincmgr.48x48.png
-rw------- 1 michael michael 278192 Mar 1 2014 boincscr
-rw------- 1 michael michael 779864 Mar 1 2014 ca-bundle.crt
-rw------- 1 michael michael 4759 May 3 2014 cc_config.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 279317 Nov 18 12:10 client_state_prev.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 279332 Nov 18 12:37 client_state.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 155 Oct 25 20:25 coproc_info.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 34230 Nov 18 12:11 daily_xfer_history.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 7250 Nov 8 19:35 get_current_version.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 2481 Jul 15 12:52 get_project_config.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 1500 Sep 11 15:19 global_prefs_override.xml
-rw------- 1 michael michael 3285 Nov 11 17:36 global_prefs.xml
-rw------- 1 michael michael 32 Nov 5 2013 gui_rpc_auth.cfg
-rw------- 1 michael michael 6657 Jul 15 08:15 job_log_lhcathome2.cern.ch_test4theory.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 2059 Aug 7 02:24 job_log_lhcathome2.cern.ch_vLHCathome.txt
-rw------- 1 michael michael 207 Jun 22 15:15 job_log_www.primegrid.com.txt
-rw------- 1 michael michael 713034 Nov 18 12:10 job_log_www.worldcommunitygrid.org.txt
drwxr-xr-x 39 michael michael 4096 Jun 29 18:25 locale
-rw------- 1 michael michael 0 Nov 5 2013 lockfile
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 138 Jul 15 12:53 lookup_account.xml
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 17476 Nov 6 16:45 lookup_website.html
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 24580 Jun 30 09:43 master_www.worldcommunitygrid.org.xml
drwxr-xr-x 2 michael michael 4096 Nov 18 07:19 notices
drwxr-xr-x 3 michael michael 4096 Aug 9 18:04 projects
-rwxr-x--x 1 michael michael 44 Nov 5 2013 run_client
-rwxr-x--x 1 michael michael 47 Nov 5 2013 run_manager
-rw------- 1 michael michael 25958 Nov 18 10:20 sched_reply_www.worldcommunitygrid.org.xml
-rw------- 1 michael michael 28309 Nov 18 10:20 sched_request_www.worldcommunitygrid.org.xml
drwxr-xr-x 3 michael michael 4096 Jun 29 18:25 skins
drwxr-xr-x 6 michael michael 4096 Oct 4 07:01 slots
-rw-r--r-- 1 michael michael 9677 Nov 18 10:20 statistics_www.worldcommunitygrid.org.xml
-rw------- 1 michael michael 1216 Aug 11 13:59 stderrdae.txt
-rw------- 1 michael michael 0 Nov 9 2013 stderrgpudetect.txt
-rw------- 1 michael michael 859798 Aug 11 11:00 stdoutdae.txt
-rw------- 1 michael michael 2720 Mar 14 2014 stdoutgpudetect.txt
-rw------- 1 michael michael 44512 Nov 16 15:01 time_stats_log
Do we want to consider the individual projects ??
http://www.seti-germany.de/wcg/stats...j=CEP2&lang=en
http://www.seti-germany.de/wcg/stats...j=FAAH&lang=en
http://www.seti-germany.de/wcg/stats...j=MCM1&lang=en
http://www.seti-germany.de/wcg/stats...j=UGM1&lang=en
I think UGM is probably a lost cause unless Seti G have a master plan to all jump to another project
I am now running CEP2 (64 threads), not enough ram to do more..... and FAHV (64 threads)
If I were to drop CEP2 I could gain maybe 70K points but CEP is already borderline
OC,
Certainly look like SETI Germany pre-loaded this event with a huge UGM Backup. They have a good battle plan and good communications so they will shift some of their crunching resources to other WCG projects.
What we really need here is an extra 120 to 150 cores crunchinjg for our XS Team ASAP. We need to generate an extra 600,000 to 700,000 daily WCG points if we want to challenge for first place..
I am going to get a laptop with 8 cores going. Hopefully other XS WCG members can do something similar. Let us aim for 150 more active cores minimum crunching for our Team. :yepp:
I added another 4 cores last night. That is all I could put together with the spare parts that I had.
It is not much, but every thing helps.
At the moment I have all 4 rigs crunching fahv on Linux as that gives me the most points. But I could switch to an other project if needed.
That's the XS team spirit ROB_B :clap: If anybody else can add cores please post here so that we can track the added resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob_B
I will try to get "Fugger" to put up an XS website message asking all XS members and visitors to join us for this 10th Anniversary challenge. I will also ask our Team Captain to send an email or PM to all members of the XS WCG team requesting them to boost production, if at all possible, or join us if they're not in for this 10th Anniversary Challenge already. It is high time to bring in our reserve and new volunteers to make a breakthrough in this competition. :yepp:
Added resources thus far: 12 cores
Good news and Bad News XS cruncherS,
Good news: The XS Team has increased its daily WCG production and is now gaining on the presently #1 rank Team - SETI Germany :clap:
Bad News: Our present overtake will require 188 hours or 7.8 days to overtake the SETI - Germany Team. There is only 5.5 days of competition left so we truly need to increase our overtake to win this thing.
Let us get XTREME and fire up the hydrazine boosters on all of our crunchers. Lets also get friends & relatives to join in. If we all contribute a little bit more, we will prevail and win this 10th Anniversary WCG Challenge.
GO EXTREME GO....:sonic::cheer2:
I have temporary stopped vLHC tasks, that will add 10 more threads to WCG.
And one machine switched from E@H to MW@H which frees another 2 threads for WCG.
Challenge Update as of 20 1720Z Nov 2014
Good news: The XS Team has yet increased its daily WCG production and is now gaining more quickly on the presently #1 rank Team - SETI Germany :clap: 100 hours or 4.2 days will now be required at present overtake rate to grab the #1 finishing spot for this 10th WCG Anniversary Challenge. 5.25 days of competition remain giving us a small safety margin.
Bad News: None at present but expecting SETI - Germany to go down fighting & counter our boosted WCG daily production over the coming weekend
Let us stay XTREME and keep the hydrazine boosters going on all of our crunchers. Any added resources you bring onboard from now on will boost our overtake ands solidify our chances to win this contest.
GO EXTREME GO....:sonic::cheer2:
Mumak - Thanks for the added 12 cores... It will make a difference:up:
Reported core/threads added so far: 24
SETI Germany had just another huge boost in score - check the hourly stats..
Added 1 more core ;)
168 hours now. :(
We really need more cores to win this.
Been watching CEP and giving as much as possible but We will not win that with what we have.
Thinking of a move all to FAHV in an attempt to consolidate our position there..... That is, unless anyone thinks we want to defend our CEP 3rd position
Speak up folks ....will switch at midnight UTC otherwise
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumak
One or two hourly trend reports may not be the best gauge to base our strategy upon. We all know that the WCG WU validating rate varies greatly from day to day let alone hour to hour. Let us wait for the posting of the end of day actual Team point production to see where an how much the overtake is. I thought that we had a 44K point overtake on SETI - Germany yesterday but I see that it is now a 14K point deficit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob_B
If any XS members, have any cores/threads dedicated to any projects (GPU or CPU) other WCG, now would be a perfect time to switch them temporally to WCG to boost our daily production.... Every core/thread counts and is significant..
Charge...!!! :CTF:
I would go for FAHV and max points. That way we should be able to fight for first overall. And the way it looks now we should win on the FAAH and MCM1 projects.
Hard to believe that 3 years ago we'd be doing double our current output :shakes: Oh Well, have shut down E&H, which will add 37 threads.
Dragged in another 2 cores.
Rob_B : suggest that you use your crunching rigs on the current WCG project(s) where their OS makes them most efficient... If you can keep a few CEP going that would be desirable as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob_B
Sam, Thanks for bringing them extra 37 threads over. I will rejoin you on Einstein@home project as soon as this 10th Anniversay WCG challenge is over to help us reclaim the top daily production ranking for our XS Team on that project. Can't wait to see what the 2 new AMD R290 cards will do on Einstein.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoneageman
Threads now added to our XS crunching ORBAT = 62
XS dragged back almost 450,000 points on SETI-Germany today. :D
That is indeed a very encouraging trend DA. Kudos to all Xremers and supporters for turning past daily deficits into a sizable day gain . We are now roughly trailing SETI - Germany by 3.3 millions points. We therefore need a minimum daily gain of 700K+ points, over the remaing 5 days of the competition, to overtake SETI-Germany and secure a first place finish for our XS Team. The Extra threads brought onboard today will certainly help quite a bit. This is definitely going to be a fight to the finish line.Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
Keep on crunching Xtremers, time to kick all XS crunchers into Warp speed... :yepp:
Current difference is: 2.7M points
I'm hoping this is pv's going valid. It would be nice to think that we have done the work already.
I must try to negotiate more cores later today but I am not holding my breath.
Remember how this started out as 16th to 25th Nov. ???
Remember how the first update after midnight was dismissed ??
How about this then:
I have asked for clarificationQuote:
Re: 10th Birthday Challenge
The final update of our challenge stats will be done on Nov 27th, 03:00 UTC.
Just to be sure, that the last midnight export on the grid is done.
So on Nov 27th, 03.00 UTC we will compare and calculate the data of the first midnight export with the last midnight export, just to be sure, that only the points calculated in the challenge time will be for the final results!
My checks on previously challenges tests results in the same points on the grid challenge sites!
So I am really relaxed, that our stats will have the same points im comparison to the wcg challenge site! :D
Differences on the daylie output points in comparison to the challenge site on the grid doesn't matter for the final results. This will happen, when people changes a team during a day. Those are not (and could not) included in the hourly update. Those will be "corrected" after the following midnight update during the challenge.
Keep in mind, that the final results on the grids challenge site will be presented in the noon update (Nov 27th, 1:00 pm UTC). Our final results will be presented at 3.00 am UTC on Nov 27th.
Hope this helps, too!
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WCG-Team Captain of Team SETI.Germany
Still shows 16th to 25th on their site=10 days & tallies with the points on their site.
So they now say 17th to 27th=11days? Which would be in our favour after checking the points :yepp:
im in.... with all ive got ive stopped all my vLHC and brought everything over including a few i had to swap some parts with... i think it a total of 42.. unfortunatly one of my psus decided to let some of the smoke out that was kept inside... and i dont think i can power up my other quad socket wiht the psus ive got. hope this helps out a bit...
Thanks skycrane ....we are chipping away at their lead and yours will certainly help :)
Just switched over from TechpowerUp! this morning. We are comfortably in 3rd and I want to see a close race for 1st. Bringing over 4P Opty 6176SE & PII x6 1055t. Might have the 4P Opty 6180SE rig swapped tonight as well. You guy's can do this!
Way to go Buck!!
You are right.... Making this run as close as possible (but us win of course) will add a certain something :D
Thanks guys ! In the last 12h we made nearly 1M points more than SETI.Germany. The gap is getting smaller - now 2.37M points.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buck Nasty
Thanks! :clap:
The test of any great team is when the chips are down, to have the resolve to pull through & turn the game round. We can do it. After all, it's just what the doctor ordered :yepp:
If we compare total daily stats for yesterday and -2 days for XtremeSystems & SETI - Germany we find some interesting facts regarding our deficit reduction. It appears that a fair portion of our gain is due to a significat reduction in SETI-Gemany daily production. Our daily production difference beteen these 2 days is +54K points while SETI Germany shows a definitive decline in daily production of -426K points.
The 1+ million points differencial we see today is likely a combination of the above mentioned SETI-Germany reduced daily productivity and the extra cores brought in by XS members & new supporters.
Hang in there Xtremers & supporters... Your stamina & utter dedication are turning this competition around :up:
I have a feeling they shifted focus to clean energy while we moved to aids. Theirs need the wingman to complete too.......
It is possible they will claw some back on validation
Big bites and small bites ....each hour the difference is coming down.
Can we get it below 2mill by the end of the day ??
In a short while I shall be on 100% FAHV 128 threads.... 104 of those on Linux. I have other boards and cpu's but not ram and psu's so that is max from me now.
I was just looking at their forum, but couldn't find anything useful. I would be nice if we could see what they were doing.:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by OldChap
Started up the 4P Opty 6180 Sever about 2 hrs ago. Should start to see good numbers on the board in the morning. Added a total of 104 cores today courtesy of your brothers at TechPowerUp!
Thanks, Buck. :up:
We can really use those extra cores.
Doing it in style Buck :up:
...but watch your six in case they (Seti-G) aim at TPU for the project trophy
Say it in pictures :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jeanguy2
http://i58.tinypic.com/25p0i38.png
Makes me wonder if a few of them are saving work for the last day/two days to finish with a bang.
Oh, how diabolical that would be.:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
Well, my old Q6600 puts out more work (about double for UGM1 on Linux) than the A6-3600 I've been running so I just switched the hardware back for the extra points. Half the RAM, and slower RAM at that, but overall a faster system. Don't have enough HDDs to run both.
if you don't want to make any adjustments to config then fatdog64 runs in memory from a stick. The latest one 700b2 just needs a couple of additions then runs graphically. There is even a setup helper for network.
Links if you need them are
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/iso/ I put this on a stick and my understanding is that once installed in mem the stick is not used.
wxwidgets-2.8.12-x86_64-1.txz and boinc-7.2.47-x86_64-1.txz from https://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Fatdog64_700 (download rt click install) I put these on another stick and installed from there
My playing with this version is not yet so far along as to know how to save the setup using a "save file" so if you switch off or lose power you need to start again.
more reading if you want at http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=96179
EDIT set up network before running boinc ...you'll find that in setup (:rolleyes:)
Thanks DA. You reminded me I have a P35-DS3R board with a Q6600 which has a burnt up CPU power socket. Now repaired, running at 3300 & loading Lubuntu. Every little helps :yepp:
Deficit increasing, now -1,104,669 :hm:
Just clarified.Quote:
@all: yes... the challenge ends on Nov 25th, 23:59:59 UTC. My fault. Sorry for confusing!
So the final score on our challenge sites will be available at 03:00 UTC on Nov 26th, after the midnight update on WCG is done.
On target for a mill more than yesterday :D
just -658,098 from top spot now
One or two of their players are showing lower scores so either saving or in pv I guess
Hello Xtremers & supporters,
The Team Captain of SETI.Germany left a post at our alternative XS WCG campsite to clarify the competition timings and point gathering process for the 10th Anniversary Challenge. Here is a the link to his post: https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.or...fset,20#476164
Quote:
Hi Xtremers....
For your information realting to the stats.
The challenge includes all the points validated during the event time.
So the points shown in our challenge are a result of a special hourly export, that is done by the WCG-techs for this event only.
The export includes all the points a team has get granted in relation to the points of the last midnight update when a team joins the challenge.
So our stats follows the same way, like the challenges are calculated on the grid.
Because of the possibility of changing a team, the special export is not able to cover this at all. After a following midnight update (mostly at 2.35 in our stats) the output of the teams will be corrected automatically by the next hourly export. That is the reason, why our stats do not have the same daylie output value on the grid challenge site, because this is done on 2.35 (the next day). But the totals are safe! :D
At the end, with a final script, we are fetching the data of the last midnight export and bring it in relation to the first available midnight export of every team. With that data, we are sure, that all the points generated during the event, will be counted on our stats and will be shown the same points.
Hope this helps!
And of course: Thanks for participating in this event!
It seems, that it will be a big final!! :D
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WCG-Team Captain of Team SETI.Germany
(official Partner of World Community Grid)
That was the problem mine had, or close enough. With mine it was the flimsy wiring in the adaptor I was using for that socket ... which I've roughly doubled in size. I've never had any luck overclocking it though so I don't bother. I work the "Xtreme-o-meter" from a different angle for these things, dragging in machines you just wouldn't expect to see crunching. Hell I've even got a free Cloud machine ticking along for this. Sucks having limited funds for hardware.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoneageman