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Nice effort. Thanks for sharing. One thing to be careful about with graphs is that they can visually exaggerate the results. As an example from your test data, with the exception of the Phobya UC-1 LT, there is only an ~3C delta spread in H2O temp from all of the water blocks tested. Depending on what graph range is used, it will alter the appearance of the minute changes in actual water block performance.
I realize that some folks mistakenly believe a 1C change is a big deal but in the big scheme of life 3C is a very small range for CPU/GPU thermal cooling. By that I mean that pretty much any of the water blocks tested would work just fine even for extreme overclocking as 1C-3C isn't going to significantly impact system performance, i.e. you are highly unlikely to be able to achieve a meaningful increase in CPU clockspeed via a 1C-3C CPU temp change. That being said people should be able to pick anyone of these water blocks except the Phobya UC-1 LT and be pretty happy with the results.
As you noted the results are based on the pump that you used, your lines, rads, fans, ambient temp, etc. and the results might and probably would vary with other layouts. That is important for folks to understand and is precisely why with a very narrow differential between these water blocks, they all can be considered a worthy option for any system except perhaps the UC-1 LT.
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Excellent work there buddy :up:
Thanks for testing ! :)
Really nice work. You should post this up in the Water Cooling forum if you haven't already. Look forward to your 3770 results as well.
Bravo!
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You may want to verify between MX-2 batches that you are getting the same result as before with one of the previously tested blocks. I have seen enough difference between two tubes to cause problems. Always try to make sure I have plenty to finish a whole round anymore.
Thanks for heads up. Now I'll test all with the second MX-2 but I'll also check for the differences bewteen both batches.
Wow, the 3770 is a very hot cpu, 10?C difference from the 2500k...
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Nice work - I love to see correlation so it's good to know that my 380/supremacy results look similar and that your ivy results look similar to st0ned's from what I remember. Your Phobya block seems terrible on every socket though. Mine performed essentially the same as the 380 on a 3930K but yours is 6C worse than the 380 block. It seems high to just be manufacturing variance. Maybe we should trade phobya blocks and see whether things change.
+1 for posting in the water cooling section, I don't really check out here lol.
@stren: It has already been posted in the water cooling section, last week IIRC, maybe it needs a bump? http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...blocks-roundup
great charts! thanks for testing! i just removed my ek supreme hf last weekend and toyed around with the idea of replacing it with something newer, but had no idea what. your post was quite timely and actually tells me i dont really need to swap anything. =)
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Ivy bridge has a smaller thermal footprint (the area the heat comes from is smaller) and how the waterblock spreads the heat throughout its cooling area effects the results significantly. Another factor is the Sandybridge cpu's have solder for TIM and Ivybridge has paste for the TIM (the interface from the die to the heat-spreader). These reasons are the bigger parts of why Sandybridge and Sandbridge-E cpu's tend to have different results from Ivy bridge cpus. I am highly interested in Ivybridge-E or even Ivybridge-EX (if you hit the megabucks) and Haswell results when they become available. Also I would be interested in seeing a regular Ivybridge cpu with the heatspreader removed or with better thermal paste. Nice work man, keep it up..
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Would be awesome if you could do some lg 1366 tests :O
Thanks Moonman! If you wish I can lend you my pressure drop / flow rate testing equipment.
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well done!
thank you
I see you tried rotating Koolance 370... What would you say is the best orientation for 3770k?
With inlet and outlet parallel to RAM, or orthogonal? Thanks.
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Thank you! Nice review, by the way! :up:Quote:
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Woohoo, thanks Moonman. Time to retest everything on upcoming 4770K :P
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This is greatly appreciated.
Thank you for all the hard work you have put into this! :up:
Tl;dr variant for the lazy bunch:
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Hi Moonman, cheeky question, the picture of the Supreme HF Full CU nickel, how come you have turned it 90 degrees? Did you get better performance by doing so?
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Thanks so much for all the testing work you have done. It is particularly good to see the Supremacy naked testing. I have had my kit for a while but have been holding off on deliding mainly because I didn't entirely believe the supposed 20C drops some people have insisted on in the deliding threads. I might just give it a go now.
Guess I'm getting a EK Supremacy w/ Precision kit for my new build/loop update.
Thanks for all the work/data Moonman.
Edit- Any idea which way you had the Supremacy orientated on the naked Haswell?
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Great work! This is good information as I may be looking to upgrade my cpu waterblock.
I have an open question for anyone who may have some insight. Does anybody have any idea about how the original Swiftech Apogee would fit here performance wise?
I know it is an old block, and not the prettiest girl at the ball, but is it really worth replacing?
For IB-E (4930K) is the Koolance 380i still the best block ?, i'm having a hard time deciding between the Koolance and the EK Supremacy (Full Nickel).
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Thanks for the testing, looks like the EK is still on top. Perhaps it is time for a Supremacy block.
Amazing work, thank you!Quote:
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I'm really glad i gambled correctly and chose the Supremacy Full Nickel instead of the 380i (still a wonderful performer for LGA 2011), would you recommend to use the JetPlate #4 for the 4930K/60X ?
Well done. I see that the EK Supremacy still on top , awesome block !, my Swiftech Apogee XT and a spare XSPC RayStorm I have still rockin my rigs. Very usefull updated information , thank you for taking the time and hard work for us.
Kind Regards: Angelo.
Thanks for great work! And what about J4 (0,7 mm) which EK positioning for 2011? :)
Hey Moonman, thanks for all the hard work done on such comprehensive testing. i am curious tho, how much improvement would you benefit from a delid 3770K in your testing. i would very much love to find out. if it's something worthy, i might be looking into getting a EK Supremacy CSQ in the future with the precise mounting kit.
it worries me how bad the 380 block did in your test on 3770K, i wish i could've seen your testing result before i upgraded last month. do you think there's any chance that the pump could be a limiting factor? i did notice when i swapped my Dtek Fusion v2 block out and upgraded from Q6600 to 3770K and put in the CPU380 block, the flow rate didn't seem as good as with the Dtek block.
the results for the CPU380 block for 3770K is just rather alarming.
Peeling the lid on Ivy 3770K is certainly worth the effort to reduce core temps provided you have the right equipment, I have done a few myself and with an older EK supreme HF CU block in Nickle dropped the average temp at least 6-10c if not more once set correct. The thermal glue job Intel did really sucks and needs to be replaced. I managed a get a few chips after binning that could do mid 50s multi without issue. I use Thermochill PA120.3 rads with Swiftech MCP655 vari speed pumps in current systems.
do you just replace the TIM and put the lid back, or you running full naked. and how would one stick the lid back after you've already popped it open. do you put some kind of sealant on the edges, or you just let the mobo shims to hold it down.Quote:
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I have done both, sticking the lid back on is easy though you must pay close attention when centering the lid to closure. One small drop of good thermal epoxy will hold it long enough to get things done. Naked is a little more serious and requires a solid mounting system of equal pressure on all points, the lid polished was fine for me most of the time.
i don't know... i don't think i am ready to delid it yet. too many failed attempts i've read. i literately just upgraded this rig last month. it'll suck if it fails. but thanks for the info.
Hey Moonman, i noticed that in your 3770K testing, the Koolance 380i block is in the regular orientation, as oppose to the "rotated 90 degrees" in the 2500K test done previously. i am wondering if the temperature will improve if you rotate it 90 degrees.
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sorry... i think you mis-understood me. i meant that the test you did for 3770K was the regular orientation. i am just wondering had you done the 3770K in the 90 degree orientation,the results wouldn't be so bad.Quote:
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thanks for clarifying that Moonman, really appreciate the effort and results. :)
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Excellent review! Only thing missing is using the J4 plate for 2011!
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Great job with all of your testing. I want to ensure that I am reading them correctly. I am putting together a system which will include a core i7 4770k and the EK supremacy. It looks like Jet 2 is the best setup for that processor. Please confirm that I am reading this correctly. Thanks in advance for your help.
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The EK supremacy is an excellent block indeed, I just built a system yesterday with a 4930K and that block and a Thermochill PA 120.3 rad and the temps are retarded cool. Very nice mounting system for the board with large spring screws for tension.
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Hello, have you verified the results of Phobya UC1 LT with Stren.
This model is the second best in his review, however it's also the worst in your review.
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AGAIN, Phobya UC1 LT is the worst, doesn't make sense.
Excellent work and quality review Moonman. Thorough and attention to detail, can you do my Open Uni homework for me please :-P
Thanks so much for your great work :up:
Hi
About your tests with a 4930K and Ek Waterblock Supremacy
1) The best montage is to put the "fitting" parrallel to the ram (fittings up and down and not left and right), right?
2) Ek Waterblock "recommended" the jetplate #4 I believe (7mm) with the Sandy Bridge-E (same with Ivy Bridge-E I think)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...acy-Jetplate-4
3) About the thermal paste in your test, the Phobya Hegrase is last with 8?C difference with the Gelid Extreme.
I saw on the web, these thermal paste were "identical" point of view perfomance. The Gelid Extreme is really best?
thank you very much
Very detail information! thanks for the reviews!
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Good review.
Btw, you should always add which blocks support Koolance QD3/4 and Swiftech iLok quick disconnects ( with 19/13mm-3/4 OD tubing ). Very important information.
Hi. great job!
Any plans to test EK supremacy EVO ? :)