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Anyone know what these are capable of? I saw one personal review of the 2x4GB 1866 kit that did some really impressive stuff for 4GB modules.
http://forums.ocdrift.com/index.php?...ddr3-1866-cl9/
2000 8-8-8 and 2133 9-9-9 with less then 1.65V seems great for an 8GB kit.
I am thinking of giving these a try,
http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...G3D1869DT2TXOB
Don't know why you're intent on 1.5V memory, but consider: I'm running 4 x 4GB G.Skill Ripjaws @ 2133 @ 9-11-10 CR1 @ 1.65V. Never had four sticks able to run at CR1 'til these. Outstanding!
Im not intent on 1.5V. The past 1.65V Ballistix were 2011 models and werent so great. These seem to be new for 2012, and the only way to tell is by the 1.5V rating. If that one review is what they can all do, they could be the new go to kit for 4GB dimms.
This is impressive ram if they all can do DDR3 2133 9-9-9-27 for $70.
However, just picked up a pair of the Samsung 30nm DDR3 1600's that do DDR3 2133 9-10-10-28 @ 1.6v for $49:
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=159320
Good to see Crucial back in OC after a few years of abstinence (apart from using PSC :D ) - but in one thing the tester is definitiely wrong, Intel is not more forgiving on mems, it is definitely no match for 990X with 8xxx Bulldozer, so if these mems run nearly as well on 1155 or 2011 will have to be tested. Times of Intel supremacy on mem compability and clocking are long over
Those are impressive results for 8gb kits. I saw those memorys for sale on ebay, do you think there are the same as the first review ones?
Yeah, I agree. Purchased a 2x4GB kit adata 1600G v2.0 (1600MHz 9-9-9-27) that does nearly 2200 9-11-9-27 1T 1.65V on Bulldozer (haven't tested for stability, but will do soon).Quote:
Originally Posted by websmile
When I put them on the 2500K, they're clearly unstable even at 2133. Probably need a good amount of work to be stable. Bulldozer is superior regarding raw MHz.
I've purchased the 1866 Tactical kit, but don't know when it will be here. Hope results will be similar to those in the "review". Will report back once it's here.
Couldn't find the samsung anywhere in Europe.
Got a Mushkin kit that does similar to yours (near 2200 @ 9-11-9-27, and more than 2300 @ 9-11-10). Please show us how that Ballistix Tactical performs, and if you can, try them on your Intel platform. Cheers!Quote:
Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed
nice ram kits
memory addicts :P
I was going to get the 1866 kit from Crucials site, but need them this week, so shipping and tax made them over $100. Went ahead and just got the 1600 kit off newegg for $70.
I think I'll give the review's one a try, but I would like I.nfraR.ed to show some results first. Looks like there are nice rams. IC's?
I'd love to show results, but it might be not in the next 1-2 weeks. The problem is I'm using a middleware company based in the UK, that offers regular deliveries to Bulgaria.
Which means I buy the item and ship it to their address in the UK. After that, it will be delivered to me for cheap, but the courses are weekly, so I need to wait 1 to 2 weeks before I get the item.
Probably someone else will test them before me. Btw, got it for 53 pounds (60 euro), including delivery.
So true... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
Ok another Ram whore here.
Picked up the kit in the review (ddr3 1.5v 1866) from the Egg for $75 shipped.
Will report back in next week how it overclocks on Intel.
Free $19 ram cooling fan too ;)
are them single or double sided?
crucial site says 512 MB x 64 (and that makes me think they are single sided...512 * 8 = 4096) but in the first post's pics they seems to be double sided.
You would have to pay 103€ for the Crucial kit of the OP (69€ + 17.2€ Tax + 17€ Del.) from Crucial.eu , so i guess you did well...(17€ Delivery sucks...:down:)Quote:
Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed
Your purchase is considered a golden one, if also the ram you got can reach the 2133-CL9 of the Crucials...
That's nice! I'm really intrested in seeing some results in a P67 platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by LagunaX
Are there Elpida 30nm based IC's?
AFAIK these kits are single-sided(???) (512MB density ICs)
The performance decrease of a single sided module should be offset by the timings these can do though...
The 8GB modules (16GB 1.5v Ballistix kits) should use the same ICs but double sided.
ah_khoo is here @XS too, if anyone would like to ask him questions I'm sure he would answer.
Good news is that it looks like they clock similar to BBSE :D (Though BBSE can do some crazy stuff on SB)
1866 7-8-7 under 1.7v for that particular kit looks pretty nice.
Do you mean this ones? [ http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...8G3D1869DE1TX0 ]Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
They say 1024x64, so single sided also?
Very nice memories...
WTH of the IC is there?
I must have missed that O_OQuote:
Originally Posted by FedericoUY
Unless they are 4 to a side, I guess those are single sided too(?)...think about the possibility of 16GB modules :O
afaik Micron makes ram chip for Crucial
Crucial = Micron. In other words Crucial is the public brand of Micron.
These could be 30nm Micron ICs? Haven't seen any info regarding this.
I'm asking on Crucial forums if they are single or double sided, later I'll ask about the IC's, but I don't think they'll provide me with that info.
it was YES, they had big LOGO on their website but i can't see it lately , are we sure they are still micron?Quote:
Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed
Maybe they changed the website, dunno. Still there is "© Micron Technology, Inc. All rights reserved." at the bottom of the page. It could be that my info is outdated.
On their facebook page one can read "A wholly owned subsidiary of Micron Technology, Inc., Lexar Media, Inc. boasts one of the most comprehensive offerings of memory product lines in the industry. We deliver high-quality, award-winning products in every memory category".
Also the "legal" link under "Company Info" section at the bottom still leads to Micron's site http://www.micron.com/terms. I would assume it's still the same :)
http://www.crucial.com/company/affiliate.aspx
thast's cool micron back in action so :up:
I don't know, but ordered some Elite modules to see how it looks, maybe I should order some Tactical ones also kkk
Most Crucial sets are Microns, but they do use other ICs as well, from Samsung, etc... from time to time.
Mine are due tomorrow. All I can do is test with my 2500K which doesnt have the best IMC in the world, and with an i3 2100. All I got at the moment.
My PSCs (RipjawsX 1600 7-8-7s) can do 1950 7-9-7 with 2 dimms (4GB) and with four dimms (8GB) Ive gotten to about 1900 8-9-8. If the new Crucials run 1866 8-8-8 with less then 1.6V, Ill be happy for daily.
One of the reps just replied on this for you! Double sided for the ones you asked about, and it sounds like all of them are double sided from the info given.Quote:
Originally Posted by FedericoUY
http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Ballisti...-5v/td-p/83364
Yes! They replyed and they are DS!. Great, now for sure I'll try one of those kits, altough I like more the heatspreader on the BLE2KIT4G3D1869DE1TX0, I'll buy the first I can get (don't care if they are BLT2KIT4G3D1869DT1TX0). I guess they use the same chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap
I got the email press release on these, and forgot to check it out until you guys made this thread, thanks! Does the Elite have LED's too on top or bottom, or just Tactical on top/bottom?
I just noticed helping someone tonight that Crucial doesn't have ANY Ballistix DDR2 listed anymore, so maybe they are coming out with new DDR2 soon too, or stopping production of DDR2 Ballistix, has anyone heard anything about that?
*Edit
I see now it's only Tactical Tracer that has LED's
Yes, I guess that too, in the picture of Ballistix Smart Tracer on crucial's website, they show a little square on top-left showing the leds, and the others don't have that...
BTW, thank you for your help on crucial forums.. Cheers!
Got my kit.
On Intel p67 can boot but crashes quickly with DDR3 2133 1.65v 9-9-927 1T, 9-10-9-27 1T, even 9-11-9-27 1T.
Very disappointing.
Keep us in touch, also @2000Mhz.Quote:
Originally Posted by LagunaX
Anytime, I'm always happy to help! Ya, you can see which have the LED's by that little additional image in the list hereQuote:
Originally Posted by FedericoUY
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmod...cal~/list.html
Here's the product PDF's too for anyone interested
http://images.crucial.com/pdf/produc...x_Tactical.pdf
http://images.crucial.com/pdf/produc...stix_Elite.pdf
Any scaling with voltage?
Anyway if you would like to update first post with more details new Crucial DDR3 are three:
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/cru...sport_ddr3.jpg
Ballistix Sport
1.600MHz 9-9-9-24 1.5V
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/cru...elite_ddr3.jpg
Ballistix Elite
1.866MHz 9-9-9-27 1.5V
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/cru...tical_ddr3.jpg
Ballistix Tactical
1.600MHz 8-8-8-24 1.5V
I already ordered the Elite modules. Had high hopes on this modules after watching the review, but now with LagunaX testing, it's not what we all expected I guess. Please LagunaX, keep us informed on more testing, if you do. Can't believe they behave better on AMD than on Intel.
Yeah, but FX seems very good with DDR3.Quote:
Originally Posted by FedericoUY
elite or tactical ones? maybe tactical is better?Quote:
Originally Posted by LagunaX
I think he bought the tactical ones (same as the first post review).Quote:
Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r
Not quite right, there are 4 different models (listing 4GB modules):Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher!
Ballistix Sport: 1333 CL9
Ballistix Tactical: 1333 7-7-7-24, 1600 8-8-8-24, 1866 9-9-9-27
Ballistix Tactical Tracer: 1600 8-8-8-24, 1866 9-9-9-27
Ballistix Elite: 1600 8-8-8-24, 1866 9-9-9-27, 2000 9-11-9-27 1.65V
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmodule/DDR3/list.html
I got some elite here and having a hard time to make them keep up with samsung...
maybe tactical is better.
I donk't know, strange memory, It wasn't booting windows at 1920Mhz 9-9-9-24-36 @ 1.57v but now it's running prime at 1866Mhz 8-8-8-24-40 1,52v.
It seem that it has no middle terms, if it boots it's stable hehehe
Maybe TRC it's the key, it seems to like volatge cause 1,60v makes it more stable, it doesn't boot but it doesn't freeze as w/ 1.53v
At this moment it sits next to my 4x 2GB Hypers @ 1800Mhz 7-7-7-21.
Anyway imc here seems to sux cause I can't put hyper or anyone else over 2000Mhz. Hypers can boot and run tests at 2250Mhz 8-8-8-24 and 2100 7-7-7-21 but it's not close to stable even at 2050Mhz 8-8-8-24
Samsung still the best option for 8GB cause it primes at 1960mhz 9-9-9 w/ only 1,47v putting the stable 8GB hypers to dust.
I'm going to find out when receives the ripjaws 2133mhz 9-11-9
Post your result please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r
I just got them wait a minute, it does like voltage and higher tras and trc
Ahh and they are 16 chips sticks, so they aren't 512mb chips , what about tactical can someone check?
Try treating them as the Samsungs. 10-10-10-30-1T @ 2133mhz 1.6v then push cas for lower.
So why Crucial sells them @2000Mhz 9-11-9-27 with 1.65V?Quote:
Originally Posted by PiLsY
In what platform are you testing? Can you show your exact ram modules on crucial webpage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r
Can you do 2133 9-11-9-27 1T or 9-10-9-27 1T ??
Thank you.
No way for 1T..
testing w/ FX8120 + Giga 990FX-UD3
chips looks exactly same size as samsung does, same legs ammount and displacement also.
http://i39.tinypic.com/b4ulj7.jpg
That doesn't seem bad at all. So also for Samsung you use 2T? Since which frequency? And with Crucial?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r
With those results, they may be able to do 9-10-9 @ 2133 ... ?
Samsung doesn't pass 1960mhz w/ stability no matter what timming and voltage used but it does 1960mhz 9-9-9-27 1T w/ only 1,47vQuote:
Originally Posted by Punisher!
I will try higher trc on them also later, but trc and voltage are definately the key combination for Crucials.
currently testing 2145Mhz 9-9-9-24-47 2T w/ 1,64v
Edit: put the samsung back just to be sure I wasn't doing something stupid with them, but no 1960MHz 9-9-9-27 seems to be it stability wall, 1T doen't make any diference neighter voltage. It can reach it maximum performance at 1,50-1,55V
Crucial looks like a tipical micron/winbond memory, low timmings, high trc, lots of voltage (now we are talking about 1,70v and not 3,4 - 2,6 or 2.2V anymore, but scalability in 4GB sticks w/ more than 1,60v seems rare nowadays.)
Definately a keeper .
30min at 2145Mhz 9-9-9 1,62V I could never reach that before.
good to know they are double sided, crucial should update its site...
p.s. don't think they will put Hypers to dust, bulldozer is more than capable to run hypers at high clock.
Hmmm maybe I'll try again with 2T...
well, not here and I haven't heard of anyone who could put them stable over 2050Mhz 7-7-7 on FX setupQuote:
Originally Posted by Mafio
But I'm talking about 8GB (4x Sticks) w/ 2x sticks they outperform any other I've tested but maybe only for benchmarks. I wanted to go 8GB and hypers aren't stable at bench settings as this may be:
http://i40.tinypic.com/1zmmi4x.jpg
Wtf is that? I've never see any memory with thermal sensors.
Barr3l are this ones your modules? [ http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...4G3D1869DE1TX0 ]. It says on product details there that they have thermal sensor. Kinda cool. Ordered one of those, will have to wait a while. In the meantime will be trying some dominators gt 2133 1.5v they look promising..
For anyone with the LED's or thermal sensors, you can use the Ballistix MOD utility to change LED color, frequency, disable, and also monitor temps on many of the new kits too.
Here it is for anyone that needs it
http://www.crucial.com/ballistix/bl-mod-utility.aspx
My 2500K IMC doesnt like 8GB. With 4x2GB PSCs best it could do is 1866 8-9-8, and my 2x4GB 1600 Smart Tracers did the exact same. So all I can say right now is that mine can run 1866 8-9-8 with sub 1.6V (1600 8-8-8 1.5V stock kit). Going to try them with my new i3-2100, but doubt the IMC on that would be any better.
Yeah, but you didn't replied... 2T since which frequency with Crucial?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r
1866Mhz 8-8-8, it doen't matter on samsung ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher!
I must confess, I was really pissed w/ this memory cause UPS charged US$170 only for customs fees/duty, that for 2x sets of those. After I've paid twice price for it, I sticked them and they seemed worse than my samsungs... I was almost thashing them, but after some TRC adjust and 2T command rate it seems to fly
http://i41.tinypic.com/2h7gwuo.png
That's nice result. Have you tried loosening trcd and how big is the effect in MHz?
Would be interesting to see what these can do at 9-10-92-7/9-11-9-27, which most 4GB sticks use for 2000+ clocks
it doesnt work w/ more than 9-9-9 same stability... typical micron, and yeah they love voltage, still scaling nice, every 0,02v makes difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed
Newegg sent me the wrong color, and no longer has the orange/blue ones I wanted. Was going to get a refund for them and get the taller heatspreader ones, but...
Crucial is an awsome company! Instead of RMAing with newegg, I called them to see if they would exchange them. They are cross shipping me a set of 1866 OBs for my 1600 RGs, and not charge anything, no shipping charges either way, and I get to keep my fan since I wont be RMAing with newegg.
No good crashes Prime95 9-9-9-27 2T even at 1.65v...I'm sticking to my Sammys and ebaying these for sure.
Seems like you got a bad kit, try an RMA.
barrel, looks nice! any AIDA shot?
Barr3l Rid3r
what exactly memory model? what ICs?
Barr3l's are elite modules, and IC nobody knows for sure, all they know is that they are Micron's because of how they behave. Cheers.
have you tried trc at 47? humm intel is different but try a higher trcQuote:
Originally Posted by LagunaX
The duel Samys vs Crucials
I'm loving them, Samsung tryed to catch up with them after beeing passed, and actually made it with a really good mark at 2440Mhz 11-11-11 w/ only 1,55V and it was very stable at that clock, enough for spi 32mb and stuff.
But, then my NB is around 2600Mhz and it's not daily stable w/ that settings and fully loaded cores. CPU-NB divider don't work at 9X or lower with high clocks , so full stability was not an option.
I have to move it to around 2300mhz to make it stable at less than 1,52V but it can't do that w/ cas lower than 11-11-11 so Crucial at 2200Mhz 9-9-9 are probably better.
At 2200 sammys can't match Crucial timmings also..
Conclusion, Sammys for higher than 2300 stable and optimezed systems, Crucials for anything below 2250Mhz
CL10 didnt scale on the Crucial?
Why only 1.52v?
Cause ther is no more imc option here, 9x isn't stable at high clocks Samsung doesn't get anymore stable at 2440mhz icreasing the voltage, imc would always give prime blend errors over 2500mhzQuote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
:cool:
http://i40.tinypic.com/k33vdk.jpg
Wow, they rock! Is it 2T, right?
yep couldn't get them to do any impressive result w/ 1T, anyway difference in performance comparig 1T vs 2T at 2000Mhz is very small in read performance and all the rest are about the same.
Nice results there barr3l, still waiting my kit, should arrive anytime... Regards.
I'm still trying to get the Tactical elite 1866 8GB work @2133 on 2600K.
I don't see tRC on P67. Could it be something else for P67?
I tried 9-9-9-27, 9-9-9-28, 9-10-9-27, 9-10-10-28, 9-11-11-28 but still getting BSOD during memtest.
Well you are the second person having troubles to get them to work on P67. I may be the 3rd. Did you boost the voltage to 1.65 to go for 2133?
I got the 4 sticks of 1600's this weekend and they run at 9-10-9-27 2T @ 1866 @ 1.65v no problem....
Running Asus z68 pro with 2600K
Yes, I did. It seems tRC holds the key to 2133 but there's no tRC in P8P67 Pro BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by FedericoUY
I can do 2 sticks 9-9-9-27 1T @1.5v. It's XMP timing anyway (2T).Quote:
Originally Posted by Elmy
Did you have any luck yet? If not, send them over my way for testing :DQuote:
Originally Posted by FedericoUY
They didn't arrive yet, I always have to wait a lot from my USA shippings, no less than 2 weeks unless I pay 50 o 60 bucks for express mail. Maybe someone @ Crucial site can tell us what's wrong with them @ SB...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap
**EDIT @ 02/23 the kit arrived. Hope to have some luck...
Got a guy in local forum. He can do 2133/9-9-9 1.64v with 2500K on Gigabyte Z68 UD5.
Here's his screenshot.
http://upic.me/i/xl/crucial.png
I wonder if it has anything to do with P67 and Z68.
trfc refresh cycle time, try to relax that and use 2T, 1,645v it's good
I think tRC is the key. Asus motherboard doesn't have that value in BIOS, Gigabyte does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r
This modules are awesome! 2133 9-9-9-27 1t @ 1.6125v :
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3384/21339991611.png
Will test them in other speeds and more time, but seems totally stable around those values. Also was able to go into windows @ 1866 8-8-8 @ 1.55v but don't know stability because had no time. Will keep testing the next days. Definetly a great kit for SB!!!!
Got also the fan for free!
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4581/p1010291y.jpg
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/7472/p1010284k.jpg
Sorry the bad quality of the pictures! Regards!
What motherboard are you using with the Crucial FedericoUY?
Hi, using a ASUS M4E with 2105 bios on it. Loving this kit so far, testing @ 1866 8-8-8-24 1t @ 1.55v (maybe less, but not @ 1.5v):Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5368/1866888155.png
Interesting...I have no luck running the Crucial on P8P67 Pro (BIOS 2105). Got errors in memtest at 1866/8-8-8 and 2133/9-9-9.Quote:
Originally Posted by FedericoUY
Does M4E has tRC timing adjustment? Or did you adjust any timings other than CL?
Yeah I failed on P67 @ 1866 and 2133 also...
AFAIK, you can't adjust tRC on Intel SB.Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
I've just adjusted primary values for them (Cl-trcd-trp-tras and of course CR). Maybe you can post a MemTweakIt screen and we can compare secondary timings and tertiary timings to check no timings are out of value/support on your mobo...Quote:
Originally Posted by LagunaX
@Federico
for the results seems that you where lucky on the crucial, i know that MIVE ups memory like a beast my mushkin same as yours 16GB went up to 2250 9-11-10-28 not touching a volt and pushing bclk, my current patriots do the same
maybe its the MIVE ? or just that u got a nice batch, im thinking of getting those to try cauz 2133 9 flat timmings seems awesome
i tried the 16GB samsungs 2400 CL11 but not very nice for MIVE best i can do its 2133 9-10-10-28 1T at 1,65 and they are 1,35 lol
cheers
Sergio
How do you like the board? I just purchased it along with 1866 Crucial Elite Kits, which I am anxious to put through the tests. I'm hearing/seeing of a double loop of the bios is this present on your board?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elmy
1t?Quote:
Originally Posted by federicouy
2x4GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical
http://i.imgur.com/lMdKql.jpg
From the initial test they didn't like CR=1T. These setting on the screen required some work to be stable, messed with the drive strengths as well.
Probably could tighten some of the subtimings even more. Anything below tRFC=160ns was no boot. Managed to run tRC = 11, but it was not stable enough.
Unfortunately I can't test them neither on different platform, nor on Bulldozer. I'm waiting for a bios chip to arrive. Until then I won't be able to test them on anything different than Thuban/Deneb.
Still pretty decent for 4GB modules. Tried to remove the heatspreader, but was afraid of ripping off some of the chips, so I gave up.
They didn't like 1T since which frequency? They are anyway far better than decent imho, especially on Thuban+890FX.
Don't know. I shoot for 2000 directly :).
Well, I can load Windows with 1T same settings and the mems look stable, but memtest fails at 2-3%. Tried VDIMM up to 1.7V without any difference.
I agree, they aren't only decent, they are actually great. Could expect to clock better on Bulldozer.
The strangest thing I see is something like burn-in process. First I tried 1T, but failed. Then moved to 2T - fail. Adjusted tRC but they randomly failed in the first 4-5%.
Went back to Memtest for DOS trying to stabilize the same settings and it suddenly worked. Got back into windows, needed to adjust voltage a little, but got stable at 1.65V.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r
I love the mushkins, they are amazing, in this platform I could achieve 2300mhz as I showed before also with 1.65v, but willing to test them on X58 (monday), or P55 (must find any) to go for 2400. I know for sure they can do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
This Crucials keeps amazing me. They are extremely flexible and sensitive with voltage (as somebody said before, and voltage upgrade will be sensed by the kit, it's unbelievable).
Managed to get 2000 8-8-8-24 1t, just didn't check for stability because it's not a speed that I'll use anytime:
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3017/2000888.png
But here comes the best part, they were able to go into windows @ 2133 8-8-8-26 1t @ 1.75v and play with aida bench:
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8348/2133888.png
Amazing kit. I have them @ 2133 9-9-9-27 @ 1.618xx rock solid. Couldn't be happier. Cheers all.
**EDIT: Will try them @ higher speeds.