Skyrim

I was thinking about pre-ordering Skyrim until I found the following out:

No stats, just gaining skills depending on how you play - leaves me wondering how well that will work.

The main thing is that bothered me is that it's designed for consoles and will be a PC port. "We wanted to make it so that you could pick up the controller and play. The average person could get into it." :shakes::down:

Sure Bethesda has a huge modding community, but mods will take a while to get out there which makes me think that pre-ordering will not be a good idea.

There's another article on that site that says the 360 version and the PC version look the same. Not sure how true that is though. Maybe it was meant to hype up sales on the 360 :shakes:

its the same as oblivion and if u look at the e3 demo they played on the keyboard

Weren't there stats in Oblivion? Never really got into it lol. I guess Bethesda will optimize it for PC, I'm still rather skeptical though

Edit: I guess the stats are "behind the scenes," but I hope they don't leave them behind the scenes for PC. I don't understand why they would do that even for 360... we're not so dumb that we can't figure them out, lol

It will be fully moddable so the PC version will have many improvements. The mods made a huge difference for Oblivion.

the skills are going to work like fallout. which i kinda like actually. perks and what not.

as for the graphics and everything else, 1 thing, the pc version of a game will almost never look the same as a console, as pc has resolution adjustment. yes, yes i know console run in 1920x1080, but thats not entirely true, a console would never get 30 frames a second on some of these games if it truely ran that, its actually upscaled from whatever resolution that need to achieve 30 frames a second. usually they balance look with resolution and the res ends up being between 1100xsomething or whatever it is and 1280x800, and then they upscale from there.

not to mention, look at the previous games by this developer, they all did look better on a PC.

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Originally Posted by Decami

the skills are going to work like fallout. which i kinda like actually. perks and what not.

as for the graphics and everything else, 1 thing, the pc version of a game will almost never look the same as a console, as pc has resolution adjustment. yes, yes i know console run in 1920x1080, but thats not entirely true, a console would never get 30 frames a second on some of these games if it truely ran that, its actually upscaled from whatever resolution that need to achieve 30 frames a second. usually they balance look with resolution and the res ends up being between 1100xsomething or whatever it is and 1280x800, and then they upscale from there.

not to mention, look at the previous games by this developer, they all did look better on a PC.

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most games are 560i then upscaled on the 360 and 720p then unscaled or not on the ps3.

also the consoles have 256MB of graphics memory so u cannot use good textures but the game looked great and was demoed on the pc so thats telling me that there is a huge difference like when u get a game like batman AA or SF4 that was only on pc to make the graphics in the commercial look good. but this is beth so they should have started with the pc as the primary platform as thats what they always have done in the past.

Skyrim was developed for PC and later ported to console. Also, the PC version will contain DX11 content such as tessellation and depth of field enhancements. The above quote was more than likely done to get console gamers to purchase Skyrim because traditionally huge RPG titles like the TES series tend to not play well on consoles due to their complexity. Since the console market is so large, ignoring them would be foolish.

I have a friend on the Dev team for Skyrim whose info has been flawless so far. PC gamers will not be let down.

Yeah, I hope not. If I get "let down" much more I'm not going to have any further down to go.

I have such a burning hatred for console gamers right now.... and their willingness to shovel money out for crap. It's encouraging everyone to release more crap! Just spend most of the budget on a marketing campaign and bang off another :banana::banana::banana::banana:e release for the sheeple to consume.

Not saying Skyrim will be like that, of course. I reserve judgement till I see it. But I have been burned so much it's getting hard to get excited about anything now.

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Originally Posted by Andrew LB

Skyrim was developed for PC and later ported to console. Also, the PC version will contain DX11 content such as tessellation and depth of field enhancements. The above quote was more than likely done to get console gamers to purchase Skyrim because traditionally huge RPG titles like the TES series tend to not play well on consoles due to their complexity. Since the console market is so large, ignoring them would be foolish.

I have a friend on the Dev team for Skyrim whose info has been flawless so far. PC gamers will not be let down.

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Great news if so. But you better not be wrong. :p:

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Originally Posted by tet5uo

Yeah, I hope not. If I get "let down" much more I'm not going to have any further down to go.

I have such a burning hatred for console gamers right now.... and their willingness to shovel money out for crap. It's encouraging everyone to release more crap! Just spend most of the budget on a marketing campaign and bang off another :banana::banana::banana::banana:e release for the sheeple to consume.

Not saying Skyrim will be like that, of course. I reserve judgement till I see it. But I have been burned so much it's getting hard to get excited about anything now.

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agreed, hopefully BF3 and Skyrim will bring us into the ridiculous fun we used to have with PC gaming!

bring back the days where pc games were designed based on crazy ideas from the dev teams and then released with the company saying, "i hope you guys like it." .....and we did.

get rid of these days where the games are designed based on marketing numbers of research of what gamer's supposedly want and the company releasing the game saying "this is the best thing you will ever play i swear" and its not.


didnt seem to be a problem selling game when they did that, and its what built these legendary titles.

300 hours complete gaming announcement is a good start. Hope Bethesda will deliver and bring an epic TES game.

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Originally Posted by Olivon

300 hours complete gaming announcement is a good start. Hope Bethesda will deliver and bring an epic TES game.

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I hope so to. I loved the other TES game's and I hope this one will be even better :)

So many games coming out in November. How is a guy supposed to find time to play them all?

Just pick the good ones. I'm hedging my bets on Skyrim, Even if it has 'problems'; released within hours tweak mods should take it from 'Meh' to unparalleled gaming nirvana, like Oblivion before it. :rofl: Then again I'm partial to games that let you make your own unique douchebags, rather than forcing you to play as some generic douche.

THe question really is if its a console focused of pc focused game. in theory its much easier to change from pc to console, but for some reason companies target consoles first.
I do however feel like i want to get that game, just worried it will be another crappy console sequel to a great pc game.
We will have to wait and see i guess.

From what I have seen, Skyrim will be PC first. No console can handle what Skyrim looks like it will be without looking like sh|t.

wow so @ 0:20 he literally said, "we use the console as our lead SKU, so we developed toward the console, and then ported to PC. its not too bad actually."

lol at least hes honest about it. i just hope that the menu doesnt have huge arse text like Oblivion, and you can navigate easy with mouse and keyboard. just dont butchered the UI too bad. any word on mod tool?

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Originally Posted by Philip_J_Fry

wow so @ 0:20 he literally said, "we use the console as our lead SKU, so we developed toward the console, and then ported to PC. its not too bad actually."

lol at least hes honest about it. i just hope that the menu doesnt have huge arse text like Oblivion, and you can navigate easy with mouse and keyboard. just dont butchered the UI too bad. any word on mod tool?

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were are u looking for that.

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Originally Posted by zanzabar

were are u looking for that.

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what do u mean?

Just gotta remember not to buy this on launch. Regardless of how good Morrowind was, I couldnt get into oblivion at all even with mods, and this one is looking even worse.

Fallout 3 wasnt my type of RPG either, I didnt really want TES going into that route.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Just gotta remember not to buy this on launch. Regardless of how good Morrowind was, I couldnt get into oblivion at all even with mods, and this one is looking even worse.

Fallout 3 wasnt my type of RPG either, I didnt really want TES going into that route.

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completely agreed. I know I just scratched the tip of Oblivious (played it for about 10 hours or whatever), but I'm not really a person to buy a game at launch anyway unless I am an absolute huge fan of the series and/or I get a good discount (got SCII for $35 and BFBC2 for $45, for example). I'll definitely check it out though, as I think Bethesda is a great developer and I like to support people that put out good games, but I would hate to see the game poorly ported to the PC, and we better not see any armored horse DLC.

Skyrim : 30 minutes gameplay

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xke...com_videogames

Xbox 360 Version

SPOILER : First 23 MINS of Skyrim Leaked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tNdmxKriRaI#!

edit : Video has been removed on Youtube. Go to kotaku if you want to see it :

http://kotaku.com/5854660/watch-the-...here/gallery/1

Those graphics really don't look any better than vanilla Oblivion.... dear god I hope the PC version looks way better than that and actually plays like a good PC game.

the lead designer came out said "consoles are our lead sku." what did u expect? this whole porting games from 360 thing really pisses me off. i bet they didnt even bother to improve the PC UI for mouse an keyboard. i guess i will just have to play it with 360 controller until some good UI mod is out

or wait for a couple months until it drops to below $50, and u know this is another thing. they r charging us the same price as consoles. yet they dont have to pay royalties to M$, Sony on the money they made on PC games ... what the hell? so they r screwing PC gamers further by treating PC gamers as 2nd class citizen, and making more money per copy off of PC gamers

Skyrim is ESRB:M , I like that. Hopefully it will be mature and not some childish folktale sort-of, like its predecessors. And hopefully the storyline will be slightly mysterious/twisted (unlike any of Bethesda's previous games). Fallout 3 was good, the VATS combat was exciting and I have hopes the new engine will make Skyrim better at that front.

Mostly its the storyline,gameplay mechanics and character dev. I am interested in. Graphics/Background score will only add value. I hope its a (major) bug free release - and we'll probably get to see some decent mods once the toolkit is public.

But so far, what I am guessing is- you start as some nobody (like all previous games) and there will be a legend of Dovak'iin the dragonborn going around (Nerevarine anyone ?) , with may be prophecies to complement - and you meet dragons along the way whom you slay and acquire their powers - eventually learning that you are the dragonborn ( 'sif) and there will be some mundane main quest about stopping some Dark force from oblivion who will wreak havoc. If thats that - I will be disappointed. Witcher 2 has set my standards high.

PS: No,I have no idea about the game other than that I have just seen the trailers and played Morrowind/Oblivion.

Not excited whatsoever. Oblivion was the first major game in what I would call the 2009-2010 PC video game drought. With the launch of Oblivion, we saw the advent of some things that I consider to be killing games in general:
• Console ports become the majority
• Any-time any-where fast travel (Oblivion notoriously)
• Poorly implemented monster difficulty scaling (Oblivion, to an extent Borderlands, likely Skyrim, and many other games)
• Drastically reduced weaponset/skillset (Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3)
• Shift toward stylized, cartoon-like graphics (Oblivion, World of Warcraft, Starcraft II, Diablo III- particularly bothersome in Diablo III, considering the stylization of Diablo I and Diablo II)

I can't speak for everyone, but in terms of RPGs, I really hate those characteristics. I'm sure plenty of people would disagree, but I can't stand it.

From what I have read and seen of this so far it seems there has been a shift in gaming for Bethesda and it is towards consoles which is never a good thing in my humble opinion. The gameplay looks to be alright but over hyped. The graphics are over hyped from only the stuff I have seen - there's no decent texturing, there's not as good effects as I was expecting, and as always, Bethesda's character animations look like cardboard. BUT, and this is a big but, this IS an improvement from the last game(s) that they have done. It is just that it seems more 'evolutionary' rather than 'revolutionary'. This seems to be the way that a lot of developer's are saying in general about a lot of their games these days. Their games have always been a huge success despite the aforementioned pitfalls, as I believe it is all about the actual experience of the game and not how any of the pre-release footage or trailers look. The addiction of wanting to explore every nook and cranny of an area, seeing a trailer and saying to oneself "that's not how you do it, I'd do it this way", getting lost in storyline after storyline worth's of massive amounts of sub-content. The allure of a free form and open world where choice is number one. Bethesda's RPG attempts in my opinion have always been more about trying to bring RPG elements to 'the everyman' rather than having hard-core elements like Dragon Age or Neverwinter from the get go. The fast travel is about freedom of choice in a sandbox world. I do hope they don't pass off poor graphics if this does indeed have poor graphics or at least graphics which I am sure won't live up to people's expectations as 'art direction'. Finally, the only thing that would really kill this for me, is if they chose to exclude modding, that would be a big mistake in my opinion also as bug-free a release as possible would also be much appreciated, the last few gaming titles in general have been disappointing this way for many a person.

Stop talking about console stuff - its depressing to think about PC games becoming console games

I pre-ordered. I will be at Gamestop at midnight. Bethesda has a good track record for rpg content. Morrowind is my #1 all-time; Fallout 3 my #2. Player-made mods are an essential enhancement. I hope Skyrim does not disappoint (like Oblivion before mods). I don't know about the dragons though, seems gimmicky.

I'll be buying it.

Also, in regards to my comments back in June... while DX11 content will not be part of the release on 11/11/11 (due to time constraints for the holidays), I still maintain that PC gamers will indeed be seeing an update to the game which will include textures and dx11 content and optimizations much like we saw with Crysis 2.

Yea... it's not perfect. Even my friend at Bethesda was told a year ago that DX11 would be ready for next weeks release. Considering how long the game is, there is a good chance the update may be ready before the majority of players play it through their first time.

iirc, the 1st oblivion patch destroyed/didn't work with game saves from launch version/1.0. i hope that is not the case this time ... the 300+ hours gameplay sounds awesome, but that could mean more bugs, sadly

i really wanna buy this at launch. seeing how this is a console port, i can see us pc gamers getting screwed.

In 1 week we shall see...

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Not excited whatsoever. Oblivion was the first major game in what I would call the 2009-2010 PC video game drought. With the launch of Oblivion, we saw the advent of some things that I consider to be killing games in general:
• Console ports become the majority
• Any-time any-where fast travel (Oblivion notoriously)
• Poorly implemented monster difficulty scaling (Oblivion, to an extent Borderlands, likely Skyrim, and many other games)
• Drastically reduced weaponset/skillset (Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3)
• Shift toward stylized, cartoon-like graphics (Oblivion, World of Warcraft, Starcraft II, Diablo III- particularly bothersome in Diablo III, considering the stylization of Diablo I and Diablo II)

I can't speak for everyone, but in terms of RPGs, I really hate those characteristics. I'm sure plenty of people would disagree, but I can't stand it.

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on the last point, i dont dislike the "cartoonish" fantasy style of animation, but i hate the super realism. there is not the hardware to do the character animation and realism so if u try both and try to put it on the consoles it looks worse than than fantasy and like crysis2 or bf3 were its realish but close enough to real to not suspend disbelief since it just looks off is something that i really dislike.

OMG, I can't wait much longer for this game :D I'm a BIG fan of Oblivion :D But on RPG's Baldur's Gate will always be the best!

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OMG, I can't wait much longer for this game :D I'm a BIG fan of Oblivion :D But on RPG's Baldur's Gate will always be the best!

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if u get a console the 360 and ps3 versions have been leaked for almost 2 weeks now. im having a hard time resisting the leaks since im out of games since batmanAC was delayed for the pc.

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if u get a console the 360 and ps3 versions have been leaked for almost 2 weeks now. im having a hard time resisting the leaks since im out of games since batmanAC was delayed for the pc.

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Remember how fast EA blamed PC gamers when Crysis 2 was leaked? It seems there is a double standard here.

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Originally Posted by Andrew LB

Remember how fast EA blamed PC gamers when Crysis 2 was leaked? It seems there is a double standard here.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj28soFeGl8


Just kidding, but not entirely ;)


I got to admit that Bethesda's Appleness over the word "Scrolls" vs Mojang was pretty damn disgusting.

Still eagerly awaiting Skyrim though, 2 days! :D

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Originally Posted by ExodusC

Not excited whatsoever. Oblivion was the first major game in what I would call the 2009-2010 PC video game drought. With the launch of Oblivion, we saw the advent of some things that I consider to be killing games in general:

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Oblivion was released on 2006.
And if you want to call "consolitis" you might as well go back in time to Deus Ex: Invisible War.

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Remember how fast EA blamed PC gamers when Crysis 2 was leaked? It seems there is a double standard here.

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+1 It seems easier to blame the PC market.

40 pc screens:
http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/11/10/40...ame=0&ns_fee=0

game is only 5.60 GB, looks very consolized... oh well i pre ordered it

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Originally Posted by Philip_J_Fry

40 pc screens:
http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/11/10/40...ame=0&ns_fee=0

game is only 5.60 GB, looks very consolized... oh well i pre ordered it

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True, I've been watching all the video I can get my hands on and it's a little dissapointing. Good news is the modders will have a field day and then we can all enjoy their efforts with some high res texture packs.

http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php...#entry19144681 some graphic setting comparison, dunno bout anyone else but i can see the difference lol

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http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php...#entry19144681 some graphic setting comparison, dunno bout anyone else but i can see the difference lol

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Thanks for that link! There's quite a dramatic difference when going to ultra from any other setting.

Having played quite a bit BF3 now a days I just cant help being underwhelmed by Skyrim's looks. Some of it looks really good, like the mist around the mountains, the rivers and trees are decent as well, but almost everything else just stinks of low res textures. It is far better looking than Oblivion, so an improvement no doubt, but it feels like Bethesda skimped on just about every feature. It gives me a weird feeling when playing it, like a some piece of hardware made from plastic instead of sturdy metal.
The intro without going into details was just awful, like something they put together in a very short amount of time without bothering to trim the details, characters and creatures are all so icy and robotic, the animation and motion capture department needs a huge overhaul.
As far as gameplay goes I have no comments, only played 2 hours so far. But the meny system is something I haven't gotten used to yet although I kinda miss the one from Oblivion already.
Fighting is just the same, bots are just as stupid, but the game seems easier. (Playing on Expert) What I hate though is the finishing moves, could that not have been an option for us pc gamers?
The sound is a bit odd, does not feel like I am inside a cave, nor outside in the nature, maybe a setting I have forgotten or some sound level that needs adjusting. Dialog is just as boring and cold as well, so far at least.

In short, graphic needs higher res textures, tessellation and animation overhaul. So far I am left with mixed feeling that I hope the game will rid of me over time.

well the UI was definitely made for 360 controller. just started playing

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locked @ 30fps lovely

well jsut forced vsync off via nv panel, low GPU usage on 570 SLI, like 50%... tho i got ~60fps

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True, I've been watching all the video I can get my hands on and it's a little dissapointing. Good news is the modders will have a field day and then we can all enjoy their efforts with some high res texture packs.

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I've been playing it all day and so far it's a fantastic game. Far better graphics than pre-release video I've seen on the net.

And no, I didn't pirate it. All you had to do to play it early was spend $2 on a Australian sal proxy and the game unlOcked last night at midnight aus time. Hehe.

It even crippled my gtx570 running 1920x1200 w/ 16xqAA 16xaf 8x multisampling.

Anyways... Back to playing.

Pre-ordered at a premium price. Stood in line for 30 minutes at midnight. Installed, entered product code. Steam: servers are busy, try again in a few minutes. Try again. Steam: Updating, Ready to Play in Approximately 1 Hour and 28 Minutes. After 30 minutes still over 1 hour to wait.

Certainly my first and last pre-order, and probably my last steam-crippled game.

Steam as in steam rising from fresh bovine scat.

I didn't expect this from my beloved Besthesda.

I'm getting the game right now, looking forward to free roaming and gaining lv's just for the heck of it.
Never liked the story lines to these games, but it is fun to just free roam it on some of them.
Oblivion kinda sucked compared to morrowind I think, I'm hoping this one is a bit better.

Offtopic... I hate steam...

I agree completely about the finishing moves. I wonder if the can be turned off via the preferences ini file. I enabled all the highest detail settings, etc in it just like you would in Oblivion. Funny how the same console commands work in skyrim too.

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Oblivion kinda sucked compared to morrowind I think, I'm hoping this one is a bit better.

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OK my little steam rant is over. I'm waiting out the countdown.

Agreed NEO on Morrowind vs. Oblivion. Morrowind is still my favorite for depth of content and breadth of exploration. I hoping Skyrim comes through on both counts.

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OK my little steam rant is over. I'm waiting out the countdown.

Agreed NEO on Morrowind vs. Oblivion. Morrowind is still my favorite for depth of content and breadth of exploration. I hoping Skyrim comes through on both counts.

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One other thing I'm impressed with is the size of the world. It's easily 4x the size of cyrodill in oblivion. Far better voice acting as well. Everyone in oblivion was too cartoon like.

Do you people have patch 1.1 installed ? That was supposed to add HighResTextures and other stuff for the PC. Still the foliage looks bad, but thats the same with all engines. Overall graphics look acceptable by today's standards (of console dominance).

Technicalities aside , any reviews on how is the storyline ? Mysterious,engaging or stupid, childish stuff ?
And the quests - genuine or meaningless ? Do they actually affect the game ? Are there morally 'grey' choices ?
Dialogues - mature or placeholding crap ?

NO Spoilers about the plot please.

EDIT: OK this game is a bloody 95 on metacritic, can't resist, gotta play this *hurries off*

This game is a must-have, simply :yepp:

I played 4-5 hours and I love it ! So many things to do ... GOTY IMHO ^^

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One other thing I'm impressed with is the size of the world. It's easily 4x the size of cyrodill in oblivion. Far better voice acting as well. Everyone in oblivion was too cartoon like.

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Not only the game world, but the very first dungeon I did (bleaks fall cave) was several times larger with lots of interesting traps and puzzles than either Oblivion or Morrowind had.

And you can burn doggies! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIyvzUl6vR0

I will have a few more serious videos up soon, I just made this one because someone was complaining about the textures on the animals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt5aUdijAN8

:D

LOL, theres too many barrel head videos made, and going to be made about this.

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Haha...that was funny. So objects are solid and block line of sight , but wasnt that happening in previous games also - probably no objects to lift and rotate ?

EDIT: Also saw that you can murder one character while other wears the bucket ? That is seriously WTF. Should be fixed in the next patch

AMAZING!!! I'm so going home and spending some pennies!

Big spoiler in this video, so dont watch it if you dont want to see the end fight / puzzle for the first dungeon.

It just shows some normal gameplay, and theres a finishing move on the boss :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmsao0bgfZI

So can anyone confirm that the 1.1 patch adds high(er) res textures?

Looking forward to picking this up after work today...

Question: How do you pronounce Skyrim?

Another gameplay video of the first dragon fight :)

*definitely contains spoilers*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNi0eZp82Eg

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Originally Posted by LexDiamonds

So can anyone confirm that the 1.1 patch adds high(er) res textures?

Looking forward to picking this up after work today...

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As far as I have seen it. It looks like High res textures :)


Great game! Forced myself to take a litle break but I just love it :D

so.. if you were fighting a boss could you put a barrel on his head to make him blind?

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so.. if you were fighting a boss could you put a barrel on his head to make him blind?

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No, his movement would knock it off, and you would be taking a big beating trying to get it on :p

Very nice game. I'm really liking it. There is alot to it. I like the look and feel. I probably won't be seen in public, except to go to work, for the next six months.

Played almost 5 hours , now going up the Stairway to Heaven to meet the Greybeards ;)

Here are my initial impressions:

-graphics are a notch above Oblivion for sure- especially lighting and artwork. Performance is also optimized - getting ~25 fps with 4xAF 2xAA + FXAA + Textures on HIGH on my GT525M (96 Shaders @ 1200 Mhz). the blizzard scene near the Barrow is very beautiful, and so are the scenes with distant waterfalls and rivers
-really like the way wildlife exist and behave
-horse is a better companion than a human - the way they fight with wolves and sabre cats is funny and helpful
-storyline is loose, quests are as usual in previous TES games
-hand to hand combat doesnt feel right still, spells are better but their graphical effects are missing/unconvincing
-storage,spells,leveling up etc are well organized - the UI is cleaner and easier to use.
-AI doesnt seem smart - its just satisfactory - like I managed to kill a Giant at level 4 by circling around a rock - it took me 5-7 minutes and felt utterly stupid yet funny - but given the dimensions of the game I'm glad everything still works.

So far feels more or less like a rehashed Oblivion - changes have been mostly cosmetic, and I have a feeling I'll quit this soon enough if the main quest doesnt pick-up.

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Question: How do you pronounce Skyrim?

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Sky + RIM ? Thats how its pronounced ingame too.

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So can anyone confirm that the 1.1 patch adds high(er) res textures?

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As far as I see it Update 1 does not touch the textures package, so no.

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Another gameplay video of the first dragon fight :)[/video]

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Hey I just played this part - except my dragon's texture got corrupted and it was purple. Had to restart the game to fix it.

Yes, I like the UI. I like the combat over Oblivion; it seems more substantial. Very good performance with gtx580, 6 gb ram, i7 at 4.0, and everything maxxed. I'm a free-form exploration player. So far so good; there is alot of stuff out there. Oblivion and Fallout3 uninstalled today, precious savegames and mod files deleted, not looking back.

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Very nice game. I'm really liking it. There is alot to it. I like the look and feel. I probably won't be seen in public, except to go to work, for the next six months.

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heh , oh man this year was soo weird. there were only a couple decent games (or none depend on ur taste) beginning of this year, and like a crap load of good games that can drain a ton of ur time @ Q4... if only i can time travel to give myself these games to play earlier this year

Yep. Skyrim will hold me over nicely until Mass Effect 3 is released.

It seems that Bethesda really listened to people's complaints about Oblivion when creating Skyrim. The more I play this game, the more impressed I become with it. Has anyone been through Darkreach? Wow is all I can say.

all i can say is dont piss off blood dragons when u are by yourself, it dose not end well atleast at lvl 14

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The more I play this game, the more impressed I become with it ... Wow is all I can say.

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Exactly.

Nice tubes btw ALB.

I liked the old menu style for loot inventory (was more intuitive) but this is also fine after you get used to it.

The fight system is kinda mediocre and the AI is simply awful on any difficulty - probably the worst AI in all TES series... they have very poor skill, it's all about NPC life and defense since they have very weak tactics: - i climb a rock and they circle the rock or they get stuck instead of fallowing me, up in the mountains - archer NPC's move as if in open field, they don't take in consideration the mountain cliffs and fall of them... the game is full of examples like this.

A women looks like a women in Skyrim - and even tho it's not that important, it's still a positive change.

Well - i can admit with this part - this year we had some major tytles from RPG genre launched and not even 1 living up to their name.


Dragon Age 2 - Mediocre

Dungeon Siege III - Even lower than Mediocre

The Witcher 2 - Mediocre

Deus Ex HR - Decent enough (just wish it didn't felt as playing a Beta game).

TES: Skyrim - so far fells like an RPG title between Decent and Mediocre and all the best parts come from the open world and the amounts of secondary quests - but if i know Bethesda, will see plenty of patches which mights fix this problems, so if you don't like the game now - play it few months from now and you might have a better experience.For me is good enough to finish it as it is and maybe later, I'll restart it with a different class.

PS.Disable Mouse acceleration from .ini file the game will feel a lot smoother... here's other changes that might help: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/11/11/th...-fov-and-more/

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The more I play this game, the more impressed I become with it. Has anyone been through Darkreach? Wow is all I can say.

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Yea, to me it feels a lot more like Morrowind, but with Nords instead of Dunmer, plus improved Oblivion Graphics.

Modded oblivion (and in fact, modded morrowind) are still two of my favorite games - Morrowind was No.1 for gameplay, and Oblivion still has phenomenal graphics when fully modded, but the game itself felt like a genetically diseased offspring of morrowind.

They have definitely cured the major issues that plagued Oblivion - level / loot scaling, everything looking and feeling 100% the same and getting boring very fast, copy paste and unflowing dialogue lines (though I am yet to hear most dialogue in Skyrim so I could be wrong), and the new leveling system is fantastic (no more need for major OCD for perfect leveling to get those 5x multipliers in earlier games, just use your skills, level up, increase health, magic or fatigue and pick or save a perk).

I have read a lot of complaints about the UI, and while I dont think its terrible, it is rather tricky to navigate, and I just cat seem to get used to it. But it doesnt matter because there will be plenty of UI mods eventually.

For me, it doesn't get any better than modded Morrowind. The content was deep and the world was huge. I didn't delete those files... The problem is once graphics progress it's hard to go back. Still too early to tell with Skyrim though. I grew up on AD&D 1st ed., so story/content is big for me.

I'm liking it allot so far. For some reason when you start the game the graphics are assss, but then it improves as they start to use more advanced shadowing and such. Even though the world for what it is, is pretty.. I'm not a fan of the Skyrim landscape. After Fallout 3 was hoping Bethesda would go back to color vision and Skyrim is just as bleak and grey as the wasteland some times. Also Skyrim is as blah and derivative as one could get fantasy wise in Tamriel, most of its Lore is LOTOR copypasta and we already have many many MMOs and games like Dragon Age already doing those bleak nordish landscapes already.

Say what you will about Oblivion, no matter how much you hated it there were times one had to gawk happily over the colorful vistas.

^^^ If you think Skyrim doesn't have amazingly beautiful vistas, you must have only played a few hours. The views in the eastern and western highlands are utterly amazing. Combine it with the massive ancient ruins (I need to avoid spoilers here) the scenery at times is just breathtaking. The frequent use of really well done waterfalls and streams frequently makes me stop and admire the view.

My one complaint about the water is in a few spots, the water flow in larger rivers isn't always downstream but at an angle.

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I'm liking it allot so far. For some reason when you start the game the graphics are assss, but then it improves as they start to use more advanced shadowing and such. Even though the world for what it is, is pretty.. I'm not a fan of the Skyrim landscape. After Fallout 3 was hoping Bethesda would go back to color vision and Skyrim is just as bleak and grey as the wasteland some times. Also Skyrim is as blah and derivative as one could get fantasy wise in Tamriel, most of its Lore is LOTOR copypasta and we already have many many MMOs and games like Dragon Age already doing those bleak nordish landscapes already.

Say what you will about Oblivion, no matter how much you hated it there were times one had to gawk happily over the colorful vistas.

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I would imagine based on this that you never played any of the ES games before Oblivion?

Skyrim looks and feels much closer to Morrowind than any other fantasy / lore setting, and for a lot of people this was one of, if not the best PC RPG they had ever played (it was only my second to Baldurs Gate).

TES is in no way comparable to MMOs or any of the poor Lotro games that have been made before - None of those even come close to matching the standards in this genre that were set by Morrowind.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but for the majority of fans of this series that started playing well before Oblivion (according to how many complaints, opinions and requests were made on the official forums about Oblivion), people who actually preferred the direction that Oblivion had taken over the previous game were very few and rare to find.

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no matter how much you hated it there were times one had to gawk happily over the colorful vistas.

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Oblivion had, and still has via mods very amazing graphics and is a beautiful game. That doesnt mean that it was an improvement over its predecessor, which hardly anyone felt. Just about everything that people didnt like about Oblivion was a gameplay problem - graphics arent what make TES games good.

You have to remember that there have now been a total of 5 Elder Scrolls games, and in the exception of judging by graphics, Oblivion was widely considered to be the worst out of them all, and the number of complaints that Bethesda had on their forums were second to no other game.

Actually I played/modded/worshiped morrowind very extensively long before Oblivion came out. Were talking since PC release. Also played allot of Arena and Daggerfall once dos box starting being more friendly. Also as flawed as Oblivion was, still only took a handful of mods turned it into one of the greatest single player timesinks ever. Allot of the very things that make Skyrim immersive and the gameplay more satisfying that you just don't see in other games, are there because Bethesda's developers pay very close attention to how people modded oblivion. I've played Skyrim allot so far and had seen all its best vistas, I don't have any glaring complaints about the visuals besides some clunky polys and animations and need to go ini diving... and the menu smack a bit too much of codemasters/console arrgh in places.


I will not take back my comments as to the region Skyrim having way too much other rpg Deja vu close up. I've played Dragon Age Origins 1 and 2 to say that what Skyrim is hands down the superior RPG, they both share too much visually for my liking. Still can say I love Skyrim and its fav TES game barebones by far.

If its just the graphics that bother you then, simply wait for mods that improve that.

- I had a longer post here, but the current version of opera I'm using is failing constantly while posting. I'm going to reinstall it, or change to chrome if that doesnt fix it :(

My HORSE KILLED a DRAGON !!! WTF :eek:

A random dragon (second) breathing frost swooped over us, and engaged into conflict with a nearby mammoth - believe it or not the mammoth was pwning the poor guy and I started launching arrows too - and then to my surprise my horse joins in ... and I'm pretty sure she (7 year old mare IIRC) got the killing shot. I guess I need to start recording this game on fraps - that was epic funny - the mammoth and the horse fighting the dragon.

Anyone know of a way to increase the Depth of Field via a console or .ini command? IE- make it so your forward first person view is more "curved" vs. 2d and flat...

Really liking the game thus far.. Lvl 6 and having a gay olde time doing everything but the main quest.. hehe. Still a personal toss up between Witcher2 and Skyrim IMHO.

I thought you mike like this:
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
Skyrim has 3xplayers than MW3 right now.

I don't have suficient words to describe this game :rolleyes: Just AWSOME!!!

Play time: 7 hours, Lvl 12
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The more I am playing it the more I am forgiving the game of the sloppiness from Bethesda.

Cons and pros so far compared to Oblivion and with strings to other RPG's of similar sort.

+ Magic and spell casting, much more fun. Even though it's a bit too powerful in the start.
+ Perks, more interesting than simple leveling and grinding to improve your character.
+ Nature graphics are vastly improved, trees and foliage actually look natural. Especially the mists and mountains in the far.
+ Water looks great.
+ Several more individual voices, even though the same ones have repeated them selves a lot already. Its much more diverse now.
+ Interaction with bots, no more locked straight into another face.
+ The artwork, it's so damn good! Makes the large cities much more interesting, even though they still feel a little dead.
+ Dungeons, much more difference between them!
+ All facial and body textures, insane improvement, very satisfied! Thumbs up for the female Nords with a great rack! ^^
+ Combat has a better feel to it!

+/- Textures, some are great others are terrible.
+/- Tessellation? I think this alone would have made most surfaces look a lot more interesting when you move closer.
+/- Animations, most have been improved, but bots slide down stairs and makes often very abrupt weird turns, dragons fly on rails and the death finish moves looks like they have been dug up before year 2000.
+/- Lighting, some of it is very very nice, like shadows through a roof properly interacting with the moving environment. Other lights shine through objects, like lamps on tables and creates very little contrasts. Caves especially, I almost remember Oblivion to better in this department. :S
+/- Voice acting continuity and voice acting quality. Could have done with a bit more omph here and there! Not all bad though. But topping Patrick Stewart, Sean bean and Terrance Stamp is hard.

- The menus are complete Shi*. Navigating them with the mouse is slow and cumbersome. They also look boring and are bland, Oblivion and Morrowind menu's was so much more fitting.
- Star sign perk tree, as bad as it gets, very little overview and slow to use.
- No intro? The way you are put into this game feels as little epic as is possible.
- The main map is terrible and has no place in such a game in the way it's represented.
- Unable to parry with a one hand weapon and dual wielding.

Some of these negatives and positives draws you into the game and makes you forget that you are actually sitting in front of a pc, others slaps you right in the face and tells you exactly where you are.

(***Getting updated as I play along!***)

Im loving the game so far. Things feel more alive and lived in than Oblivion ever did and their own in house engine is a breathe of fresh air over game byro and its many quirks.

I like the revised skill and perk system as it allows for more flexibility. I really hated always worrying about trying to min max each level before so its a pleasent change. They clearly learned from FO3 ( which i loved and played much more than Oblivion ) Im going for a stealthy dual wielding archer wood elf. The archery is so much more satisfying in this as well and the odd fatailty move is a nice touch.

Although the textures are a little bland in areas i quite like the art style as a whol and the distant vistas and fog layden mountains look gorgeous and compell you to explore them. Ive raised the fov, doubled water reflection resolution, enabled follage self shadowing and disabled vsync and things are puring along nicely. Still getting used to the ui but im using a 360 controll and my main complaint here is vertical sensitivity is way high to the point of being insane. Im going to poke around some of the cvars and see if i can lower this.

If this manages to keep a hold of me as long as FO3 did its an easy 9/10 for me and my personal game of the year with Bf3 trailing in second :-)

I think the Perk system should not have minimum level requirement , only the prerequisite needed for each level like Witcher 2.

Skyrim - almost 7 hours done. I've played Witcher 2 and DEHR before this , and this is how I'd compare them :

Witcher 2 is all about the storyline - everything else is built around it.
DEHR has a storyline - but main component is the gameplay experience - sneaking, augmentations etc.
Skyrim's is all about scale - HUGE exploration area, a LARGE number of (unrelated/meaningless) quests, a LOT of NPC/environment interactions - it simulates life - its about immersion into the fantasy world.

All three are very good. Skyrim is still growing on me.

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Anyone know of a way to increase the Depth of Field via a console or .ini command? IE- make it so your forward first person view is more "curved" vs. 2d and flat...

Really liking the game thus far.. Lvl 6 and having a gay olde time doing everything but the main quest.. hehe. Still a personal toss up between Witcher2 and Skyrim IMHO.

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Press the ` (tilde) key just like in Oblivion, and enter FOV XX to set a custom field of view.

The default is at 60 and is pretty terrible, I like to have mine set to 90. Going over 100 makes it a lot more curved if thats what you are looking for.

definitely need strategy guide for this game. its actually quite small, only 5740MB according to steam, for such a massive game... imagine RAGE's mega texture apply to this game. will prolly be like 1TB? heh

The tilde key will also disable your Skyrim Steam achievements if you care about that sort of thing. At least that's what I've read on the Bethesda forums.

i found a good fix in the config

change bDoDepthOfField=1 to bDoDepthOfField=0 in SkyrimPrefs.ini, it now holds well over 60fps and looks way better, it also stopped lagging when u look at the sky then back to a building.

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The tilde key will also disable your Skyrim Steam achievements if you care about that sort of thing. At least that's what I've read on the Bethesda forums.

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u can set console commands as launch options in every other bethesda game and it keeps achievements so if u really care do it that way

Is PC gaming dead?

http://i.imgur.com/2hCtS.png

I think not :up:

Hopefully this shows the retarded publishers that there is still money to be made from us PC gamers. And if they make us good games we'll buy them.

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Hopefully this shows the retarded publishers that there is still money to be made from us PC gamers. And if they make us good games we'll buy them.

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I would hope so. Almost all of the RPGs Ive played since Baldurs Gate 1 / 2, Morrowind and Guild Wars have been dissapointments (gothic 1-3 and the Sacred games were great, but unpopular, I personally couldnt enjoy Oblivion).

All the recent games in this genre have been unbelievably over rated and dumbed down, and lacking what RPG fans enjoy about these games.

My copy was crashing when I'de try to start the game, couldn't figure it out, thought maybe it was that I had an old physx driver or something.
Ended up being something so stupid..., my sound playback quality was set to 192k, needs set to 44.1k 16bit otherwise it'll crash every time ^^, just a heads up.
I'm gonna play it in a min.

Oh yea, you need to change your sound to 16 bit 48k hz at the most otherwise there will be lots of crackling and sound errors.

Mine was working at 24 bit 96k, but only with disabling all the X fi features including crystalizer which made everything too quiet. Dropping it down to 16 bit 48k allows me to run the X fi crystalizer at full without any errors, which massively boosts the sound my headphones can output (with crystalizer I have my headphones around 75% and hear every great, with all the X fi stuff turned off I can barely make out what NPCs are saying at full headphone volume).

Very fun game thusfar, but I have to voice my dissapointment over the inventory/quest interface.... I heard all the pre-release gripes and thought I would decide myself. In a word.. its just not very good.

1. Ideally, there should be a way to assign quickslots to what BOTH hands represent, not just one at a time. Dual casting the same spell is awesome, but becomes a real pain when trying to switch in healing and melee weapons too.. Anyone have a elegant solution for this? Yes, I know 1-8 can be hotkeyed.

2. There should be a small popup showing a picture of the item and brief stats when mousing over something in the favorites menu. Heck.. in general I find the inventory to be hugely uninspired. Whatever happened to having a brief description of the item? I like checking out my loot!

3. I wish you could arrange the order of how things show up in the favorites menu.

4. The miscelaneous quest screen is just flat out terrible. I mean really- A one liner explanation with no city of origin, no quest giver name, etc. Fail.


With 16 hours played, I still havent gotten fluidity with the inventory. Re-speccing on the fly should be seemless, but it is clunky at best.

I played Elder Scrolls Arena when it first came out, and am a diehard RPG fan in general so of course I am loving the game. Just wish devs would take some more time on the PC interface, graphics be damned.

So far I noticed that jumping everywhere doesn't increase your jump lv, nor can you increase your speed lv by running all over the place.
At least so far I haven't seen a single increase from those 2 :(.
That bums me out a little.

One other thing I noticed, you can't kill every single person in the game, there's several peeps you plain can't kill, they just take a knee for a bit and they came right back after you.
They never fixed the bed prob from oblivion, say for ex. you killed everyone in town, stole everything too, yet the beds you find you can't sleep in because you're trespassing (owner is dead though) :\.
Some peeps you kill come back after you reload up the game, for ex I got a few pair of keys for some house's from peeps I killed more then once.

I do like the new lock picking setup in the game.
I don't like having to manually switch between my 2 handed sword and healing magic...

My audio goes to shiz after I've been playing for a while, not sure why.
After that the graphic go nuts once in a great while.

Acrobatics and Athletics were taken out. The total number of skills was condensed down to 18 - 6 Warrior skills, 6 Mage skills, and 6 Thief skills.

You cant kill quest important NPCs, just like you couldnt in Oblivion (the reason for this is actually because the AI can pick fights with each other and kill mission important NPCs without you being anywhere near).

See post #96 on how to fix the audio. My graphics have started flickering too, I find that saving and reloading fixes it for me.

The UI needs a huge overhaul for the PC, though it does work well on a 360 controller. If you prefer to play with a KB / Mouse, Bethesda simply didnt cater for you in Skyrim :(

I really want to play some more, but I've just had pneumonia followed up by an opportunistic flu and cant play games atm without feeling too sick :(

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I havnt tried this myself, but another player said that you can assign a secondary function to each hand with the left and right buttons on the D Pad if you use a 360 controller by selecting them in the favorites menu and pressing the left / right buttons. You should then be able to swap each hand between two functions, although that still isnt an awful lot.

Hooking a xbox controller up to my PC is about as foreign of a concept as hooking jumper cables to my testicles... do not want. Only console in my house is a original NES...