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Taipei, Feb. 22, 2011 (CENS)--AMD even plans to exclusively contract TSMC to build its 28nm Southern Islands chip in the second quarter of 2012...
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http://news.cens.com/cens/html/en/ne...ner_35399.htmlQuote:
Taipei, Feb. 22, 2011 (CENS)--AMD even plans to exclusively contract TSMC to build its 28nm Southern Islands chip in the second quarter of 2012...
I think 2012 is a typo. I think they mean 2011.
Here it says 2011.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...d_Quarter.html
Q2 2012 seems way too late.
Exclusive for TSMC... what did happend to GF?
That seems very late for a refresh? 1½ year after? Pretty sad if performance will not rise for that long :(
That's possible...
Think they'll start with low end (4770-like) chip, though, with high-end coming several months later.
Yeah,Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
And HD 7770 is such a great name, lucky numbers :D
Hope GloFo will deliver another chip, if not, it will be quite a deception.
They just launched their new parts last quarter. Next quarter for new 28nm stuff? It just won't happen. Q2 2012 sounds more likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark-Energy
wasnt the 4770 almost 2 years ago, which means its expected to have a new node based chip this summer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
We can't really perform a die shrink every year, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
correct, every 2 years is right around how long though, so why should it be 50% longer this time around for TSMC?Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Quoting wikipedia:Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
So it hasn't even been 2 years since then...Quote:
The Radeon HD 4700 series was announced on April 28, 2009.
I was under the impression that they were looking into doing most fab via GloFo... are they that saturated that they still need to outsource further fab? or is it part of their strategyQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
I was under the impression that SI was ready and just being held up until the 28nm process was perfected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
In fact, I thought NI was just a modded (stripped down) version of SI using the current process.... :shrug:
Q2 2011 is 2 years after that dateQuote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
if this is accurate with Q2 2012, then what does AMD have planned for the next 15 months?
no way 28nm comes out in 2012, we need something new this summer
2012 is a typo. I thought everyone figured it out by now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
High-end NI is coming out in Q3-Q4 '11. Q1 '12 for mobile solutions. Q2-Q3 '11 for the first 28nm parts is perfectly reasonable.
I really hope its this year, not next year, seriously, TSMC should not have scrapped 32nm, WTF were they thinking.
AMD got bad luck with the 32nm as Nvidia is always behind and get the same process 6 months later or even more (HD4770 May 2009, GT400 May 2010 xD ).
TSMC was rumored to have pushed back 28nm's intro to late this year, so Q2 2012 sounds right
TSMC's been screwing up
tsmc 28nm in 2012 is a fact. nvidia is their prime customer and huang said during the conference call that 28nm will be just barely ready by end of 2011. that means 2012 for 28nm products. only earlier if you get lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
:rehab::banana2::shocked::banana2::rehab:Quote:
28nm Southern Islands chip in the second quarter of 2012
:hm:Quote:
TSMC is recognized as the industry`s No.1 supplier of 28nm process foundry with its monthly shipment of 5,000 wafers of 28nm chips in the first quarter of 2011
No comment
Hmm. Now I don't know what sense to make of the available information. hehe I wouldn't expect a new product family after a major launch like the 6800/6900 series for 12 months. Like it or not they have to make their money off this generation before cannibalizing sales with the next. It's not like the 3000 series cards which were a minor post-2000 series launch.
Considering the slow advancement in games graphics, I can imagine both AMD and NV would like to reach a ceasefire so that both can have longer product lifecycles.
I doubt AMD would want to do that considering graphics is their number one asset right now to combat the encroaching ARM. Plus their graphics are competing against more than just NV, so I doubt they're even considering taking their foot off the floor. Also, their graphics technology merges into their APU's so they have all the incentive they need to drive innovation.
this cant be right ....
That and the fact that process shrinks are not going to be infinitely possible. Everyone is going to have to find new avenues to continue to advance product development in the coming years with the remaining node advances.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
It'll be interesting where things go when node shrinks are no longer on the table.
Both of them seem unlikely. Northern Islands (Cayman) was originally supposed to be on 32nm but due to the cancellation of it by TSMC, AMD resorted to 40nm, which still seemed to work fine. It's hard to say if Cayman would have been faster on 32nm, due to less power consumption and therefore more shaders, but probably more expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
Which basically means that, how far they were into 32nm research/production when it was cancelled for 28nm is probably the same amount of time between the original planned release of Cayman and the original planned release of Southern Islands (whatever it was). Then there's the approximate 6 month delay between new GPU's as well on the side (I'm talking a wild guess) but it still seems too far for Q2 2012. Q2 2011 seems more plausible because it wasn't AMD's fault, they're not the ones behind. But maybe they took this opportunity and that lost time to improve their next GPU. But yeah, Q2 2011 isn't possible, but neither is Q2 2012.
I'd say Q4 2011, or late Q3 2011 if we're lucky, for 28nm GPU's from AMD.
Really hope someone gets thisQuote:
Originally Posted by flippin_waffles
http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/s...00/ep21_13.jpg
We could see an HD4770 like 28nm graphics card in Q2-Q3 2011 but i dont expect a high-end 28nm graphics cards before Q4 2011.
In general, you are right, Pipe cleaners are low end gpu's... due to the cost and risk reduction.
At same time this don't mean you will not see 2months then other series goes in this process.. At the moment they are able to evaluate correctly how the production / yield can be ramped.
Now don't take too much care of Nvidia words during their financial reports.
They said: we will not have anything in 28nm this year. They don't speak for AMD.
Also, Nvidia hasn't really being fast going on to newer nodes, they were at least six months behind AMD on 40nm...
Dis r srs forum (sorry my l33t failed me here) 4 srs bizns.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXceededgoku
And yes I got it, but for some reason I've never understood why the Japanese thought the name Innovator was a cool name.
On topic, I personally was hoping that both sides would have 28nm high end parts on offer when Sandybridge-E turned up, but from the sounds of it they'll just release PCI-E 3.0 parts
I think Nvidia was referring to tegra when they said no 28nm this year. AFAIK next gen gpus will come by the end of this year, if TSMC doesn't drop the ball again. Considering they're already making LP wafers for Xilinx and Altera I don't see it impossible for AMD to start producing a pipe cleaner product in Q2.
2112 is a typos made by CENS.com, most probably it should be Q2 2011.
Anyways, throwing this rumors/announcement right now, just before the release of GTX595, suggests that AMD doesn't have anything to beat/match GTX595 until then.
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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
LOL
i love it when you come up with wild theories like that
LOL, Love it or hate it, those "wild theories" have been having a tendency to become true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
hahahahah i needed such laugh this morning .. thank you mate
Please forgive my fellow countryman. Whatever he is on, it must be powerful given the long lived tenacity, I want some... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
nice sense of humor, i like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Nah, it's because half of the AMD employees got abducted by aliens and couldn't design a faster card in time. I think that's a more probable cause :rofl::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
I agree :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by StimulatedBoy
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Originally Posted by Det0x
me 2
Just saw this article today (I know, a little late) but had to stop by to see what the XS boys were thinking. I put this in a comment post on the article elsewhere, which spiraled into a typical me-like long-ass post. Here's a copy pasta with some included hyperlinks for good measure.
You’ll notice the original source says ‘chip’ (singular) in Q2 2012. Perhaps the info was concerning the refresh chip the mobile maps from DH called Wimbledon (that is supposedly starting production in Q212) that may complete the SI series. That chip is supposedly 256-bit. The other chips mentioned included two 128-bit chips and a 192-bit chip entering production (or being released?) in Q411 (when TSMC is said to be ready for production). I personally believe the 192-bit chip is half of the halo chip and the one mentioned will replace/supplement it (the 192-bit part) as well as the (then) aging Cayman in Barts/GF114 current market later on.
Perhaps it’s coming later because AMD will want to get mature yields from it considering it may be larger than the former chips in this market (Juniper,Barts) because of their new projected golden shader/rop ratio. It will be almost-certainly higher than Cayman (14 or 16:1?), but maybe will be unable to price it as such because of guesstimated competition or expected MSRP of higher-end parts originally and after prices settle. Perhaps they are also afraid it would detract from those that may buy the higher-end chip. For instance, this part may be 32 ROPs, 2/3 of the high-end, while the original 28nm parts would be 1:1, 1:2, and some combination of 1:3, 1:6, 1:12 (48, 24, 16/8/4 ROPs). It would not be surprising if the first SI parts more-or-less sandwich Cayman in performance or the second-tier chip has some comparative detriment, just as the original 5700 (Juniper) parts did the 4800 series. This chip could be the mid-life kicker, as Anandtech (iirc) once called these refreshes; perhaps similar to what Cayman was originally intended to be on 32nm and also probably a great bang-for-buck part.
Perhaps this chip may have been initially planned at GF (I don't think I need to link those rumors), but instead AMD has decided to stick with TSMC. Right now (a year out) would be a good time to make that decision. The reasons could vary from some combination of yields/power consumption/speed currently on GF’s process because of their gate-first tech to AMD wanting to garner either better prices and/or priority from TSMC. If what I outlined above is true (that this ‘mid-life kicker’ is planned to be their Barts/GF104-114) it would make sense they originally would have liked to have the die be as small as possible (which is GF’s strength). Perhaps now, with TSMC, they may just have to do more extensive harvesting for mobile parts than what they had originally planned but will be counteracted with higher clocks at low-enough power for the mobile market, which should be TSMC’s strength for 28nm.
Note everything I said is likely between mostly/all wrong and should be taken as such. They probably meant SI will start production in Q211 (which the linked X-bit article has TSMC stating ramping of production in Q3/Q4 2011) and the original article needs proof-reading. Perhaps DH had it wrong and that chip is coming first (with production in Q211). But seriously, what's life without a little crazy speculation? No fun, no fun at all.
Setsuna or Kira? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by eXceeded
whats going on with glofo?
fusion = tsmc
new gpus = tsmc
? :confused:
bulldozer :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Yeah, it's like AMD are freeing up GF's capacity or at least leaving it only doing their none fusion CPU's If AMD drop Phenom production then GF will be pretty much doing Bulldozer only for a few months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
Llano is GF as well (since it's on the 32nm node). Currently it is:Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconyu
GF: CPUs except Zacate/Ontario (which is same)
TSMC: GPUs and Zacate/Ontario
When BD/Llano comes it will be
GF: BD/Llano
TSMC: GPUs/Zacate/Ontario...
So no difference there.
This is rather pathetic, we must wait until next year, great job TSMC, really screwed things over.
Hopefully NV can get out Kepler sooner, 2012 is a too long wait. :D Yes I know it's scheduled for this year but you never know if there will be delays or some issues.
If you haven't noticed the global economical crisis caused by a bunch of bankers screwed everything for everyone. The entire IC industry is 1.5 years behind on their schedules. TSMC is just another victim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrono Detector
On a side note they owe you nothing. So either try to help or keep yr consumer dreams to yrself.
this kind of news could make desktop gpu prices come to a halt.