Looks like they may have finally done the pwm section right... ;)
http://pcper.com/comments.php?nid=9584
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20200
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Looks like they may have finally done the pwm section right... ;)
http://pcper.com/comments.php?nid=9584
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20200
about damn time
now the question is what is it that required they sink a section of the socket in?
holy copy catQuote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
I like the hell outta that! :cool: I hope they got a micro atx version of that kinda like my 890gxm. (the AMD one)
I hope for a mITX one :)
be specific mitx with pci-e 16x!Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyshaw
be more specificQuote:
Originally Posted by cdawall
mITX
pci-e x16
FULL DDR3 SLOTS
can i get 4 DDR3 slots? they will fit i know they will i have one and it could so fit 2 more :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by stangracin3
I wonder if we all realized this was impossible already due to the size of PWM section needed to fully support a 125w TDP CPU and the size of AMD's chipsets...
not impossible just difficultQuote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
all we need is a memory version of the asus XPANDERQuote:
Originally Posted by cdawall
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
but yes 4 slots is impossible when intel only gets 2
hmmmm can the expander give me xfire mini itx to :) it would fit in my silverstone caseQuote:
Originally Posted by stangracin3
only one way to find out
sweet! the anticipation the next 6 months is going to drive me insane! :D
Anyone notice how both the intel and amd mobo had the same distance from the cpu socket to the ram modules?
really eventful year coming! Am3+ , Llano,zacate, C400 SSD's, g3 ssd's, SB, new OCZ ssd pci-e which is 1gb in speed.. ><
Yep, I'm gonna have to hurry up and put some rigs together to sell on Craigslist... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
I've always liked MSI but the power section of their boards have been a little weak since Phenom was released... Hopefully they'll get it right this time around.
Asus has been pretty good to me the last couple years, but the HT float on the C4F has been giving me fits and they don't seem to be in any hurry to fix it (if they even can)...
I think I'm ready to go back to MSI as long as they get things right, and from the looks of that board my hopes are raised.... ;)
Never used a MSI board tbh, was gonna get the big bang but was dissapointed so i stuck with ASUS, MSI do make solid gpu's though ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
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Originally Posted by crazydiamond
me too :D ive been waiting for this to finally do me a proper rig :D
nice, very nice! And first AM3+ photo :)
Just looks like a normal lotes socket to me.
yes, diferents is free slots (pin slots) AM3 vs AM3+. But for AM3+ it was necessary step, because new features for performance etc
hope ASUS show me at CES Cross V Extreme :-D
Looks cute, 10VRM will probably make this model good overclocking motherboard, but somehow this NB cooler and the lack of VRM cooler smells as lots of troubles and extra fans "flying" inside of the case :D
Good looking board.
Yeah, PWM looks decent. Need more info about it than just pictures, though.
Wonder what the pricing is going to be... It looks quite expensive.
Good looking board.
Yeah, PWM looks decent. Need more info about it than just pictures, though.
Wonder what the pricing is going to be... It looks quite expensive.
Physically, the AM3+ socket must be identical to AM3, otherwise it wouldn't wotk with older AM3 CPU's.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gappo
The difference must be in the AM3+ CPU's, obviously. Compare with this.
Yep , Please please pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by cdawall
Gigabyte / ASUS / MSI if you guys can hear us
please make a mITX with PCI-e x16 !!!
Best to pair with Desktop DDR3 Ram slot :up::up::up::up:
Alright finally AM3+ board , ASUS where's your Crosshair V ? ;)
Probably this will be my next mobo. :up: I can't wait the moment to throw out the crappy Crosshair IV from my case.
cannt wait for more ma3plus mobos :up:
Hmm I was expecting another solution for AM3+ that would enable backwards compatibility with AM3-processors. This meens there will be a socket-change when the new Bulldozer-uArch appears in 2012 considering it fully integrate the Northbridge chipset...
I'd gladly take the burden of you, want my adress?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
I don't want to hurt you.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
I loooove pain so please send me that sexy latex-dressed motherboard over here!:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
Exactly, that's what I've been saying for the last six months. AM3+ is a bad compromise. Not future proof, and at the same time it doesn't have the backwards compatibility that people wanted (reusing AM3 boards).Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
All because AMD realized that the current socket would bottleneck the BD somehow, which is a good thing.
It's just too bad they couldn't figure out that before designing/launching the 800 chipsets.
AMD could be going the Intel route. Two different sockets for low/mainstream and high end split...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
I do not see the advantage in the backwards compatibility.
People replace CPUs for a boost. They don't replace motherboards for a boost.
If the new CPUs only work in the new motherboards that means new CPU means new motherboard.
I'm not seeing an advantage, if there is one. In fact I'd rather they scrapped AM altogether and went for a platform that would do them for a long time, and allow people to have several CPUs in the future without new motherboards for em.
That first mobo pictured on Tech Report is a LGA1155 SB mobo.
Most probably it's just a small pwm and generic chipset cooler for the board to be demo'ed. I don't believe MSI will abstain to put fancy coolers with a lot of branding in the final version, specially on a 990FX enthusiast board.
i noticed the AM3+ socket has the same number of pins missing on each corner, how the hell will we know how to line up the cpu right before pushing it in the socket?!?!?!?!?
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Originally Posted by Mats
the socket isnt even announced officially and what comes after that isnt even official in term of socket etc... so why complain now ????
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Originally Posted by Manicdan
with the guide that we receive with our motherboard i guess ....
i use to just look for the one pin on the corner thats missing to know how to line it up, and i have messed even that simple task up before. i was just hoping they did something a little more idiot proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
I really hope that MSI won't forget to put the V-CHECK points onto this mobo.:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Manicdan
and the pointy red arrow on the corner of the cpu wont help you too ???
i mean the pointy arrow + the guide that comes with the mobo .. and yet you expect it to be an headache ....
top left corner of the socket there is an arrow that shows where to line up the cpuQuote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Just to give people a heads up before they buy, it looks like AM3+ is a dead end after first gen BD.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
No point in complaining after buying since it doesn't help me or anyone else, right?;)
But in the end it all depends on when they include PCIe, which will require a new socket.
Thanks for posting Dave:up:
Looks like my Crosshair IV is going up for sale...I have a few AM3 boards laying around to hold me over;)
last few months of glory my x6 1090T BE :)...the longest life from all my Phenoms (in APril will be 1 year old and active in using!)
thx to Pietro.sk from AMDzone forum and pc.sk forum
AM3+ MSI
http://i51.tinypic.com/sptzcn.jpg
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Originally Posted by Mats
again ... how can you know if am3+ wont get another cpu next year if we dont know whats happening officially next year ....
1 - This slide shows that Komodo got an integrated GPU (not that I want it tho).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
It's not an APU, but given what it's made for I'm not surprised that AMD calls it a CPU.
If you integrate a GPU that doesn't match the CPU performance wise (ie adding the Llano graphics to a 8C BD), you simply wouldn't call it an APU, IMO. I'd like to hear some official words about that, tho.
2 - The server counterparts, Sepang and Terramar, will get new sockets and have integrated PCIe (it doesn't mention any Komodo GPU).
Even the relatively new, lagacy-free C32 and G34 isn't enough even though they're guaranteed to work with first gen Bulldozer.
3 - JF have told us that PCIe can't be integrated without a new socket.
Desktop and server development has been close to each other since the AMP/XP, and I don't think AMD is prepared to separate them more =(higher cost) just to keep AM3+ for desktop.
So even if Komodo doesn't have a GPU, it most likely will have PCIe on die since that's what the server CPU's have.
Nothing is set in stone, and I hope I'm wrong, but this is why I think AM3+ won't work with Komodo.
Sn0wm@n: Have you seen any signs indicating that Komodo will work with AM3+?
How's that different from AM3?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
If I were ASUS, MSI would have some explaining to do...
http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/1...usheatsink.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3636/msiheatsink.jpg
if you look closely you'll see why AM3+ chips won't fit in AM3.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
extra pins come back in a different spot.
Four pin CPU 12V, weird.
edit: nevermind, didn't notice the small cap
It is 8 pin but there is a 4 pin dummy plug in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlleyViper
@demonkevy i think he was posting the pics because how similar the boards look, really indentical just diff brand and diff colours..
The only thing really the same are the PCIe slot placements. Even the slot count is different. Even the PCI slot count is different. Fan header placement is different, RAM power circuitry placement, and finally, the NB chip on the ASUS is closer to the I/O port by >1" vs the MSI board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
Talking about the heatsink design as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyshaw
MSI never had a heatsink design like this and wouldn't have had a slashed line type design unless ASUS had it first...
the mosfet sink is basically the ASUS one flipped upside down then mirrored with the (I assume) aluminum military class sticker on it
Well, to be honest, I've seen that design on my 785GM-E65 MSI mobo, of course, it doesn't have the slanted lines, but still the unified NB/MOSFET HS. And my Rampage II GENE doesn't have them slanted lines o.0
Yea it looks like BD2 with pcie and/or gpu will need new socket(ddr4 maybe), it doesnt mean that there wont be more am3+ cpus tho.At least one more revision seems likely as it was always the case with amd.
And on the intel side things look even worse.
Those sockets look mighty weird, i see a lot of bent cpus when troglodytes force push cpus into them ,there is still keying in the slot, but not edge wise.
Or AMD might be looking to go the Intel route, with two different sockets splitting high end and low end. It would be kinda stupid, since C32 is nothing more than 1207 with DDR3, and G32 was kinda maxed out from Mangy Cours MCM, but you never know, lol....Quote:
Originally Posted by RaV666
hm, we will see, but Im thinking, Komodo will be still AM3+ (4-up 10 cores maybe)
Very very interesting but i dont like MSI mobos
http://www.msi.com/product/mb/890FXA-GD65.html - first motherboard which has AM3+ CPU Support (look at mb image). But I'm feeling it is mistake here :)
You are right ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rsk01
Quick look at the socket shows it's AM3 only :p:
any word on SLI capability with this mobo? thats what i really want. also, will it support PCIE rev. 3.0? im looking to build my first monster rig in a few years at the end of the year and i want to make it a little bit future proof. i was going to go the intel route but with my rigs cost already ballooning a bit (blame that on water cooling :D ) i wouldnt mind reducing the cost by going the amd route. i use my desktop for gaming mostly so i think in that respect bulldozer not performing as well as ivy bridge in a few different benchmarks and apps will be of little difference to me
It won't be 10 cores only plac amd will have more than 8 cores is server right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
and did they show am3+ compatibility or a new socket need for komodo??? not yet ... so its still in the air as far as we know ....
so again my first post about the not complaining about the am3+ sockets dead end ...
btw compairing server roadmap with client roadmap doesnt mean anything ... server roadmap is one thing .. and client roadmap is another ..
Komodo is desktop....it will be refresh Zambezi chip (4-8 cores, maybe more)
Hmm...
Why are all the brand's of mobo makers using those lame round power buttons ?
Does anyone know for sure if am3+ has quad chan support?
If it doesn't then the only thing I'm really interested in is the avx support on the cpu it's self (that would come in real handy).
And I'm not seeing any diffrence in the cpu socket either...
So why a new socket?
What in the world do we need another socket for when it's the exact same stuff re-hashed?
You gotta forgive me, I haven't been keeping up on the new cpu rumors..
Oh and one more thing.
We are in the age where we are paying almost $300 per board (yeah well $200...).
But why are the same priced intel board's getting 2x the pwm, 2x the cpu power conenctors and extra pcie power when the amd's get left out and look like mid range ?
Paying that much you'de think we'de have 4 cpu sockets.
dual channel support for desktop ... its been known for a while actually
and why would you need quad channel memory support???
And why would we need faster cpus ? ;).
Same reason... :)
Mem is way to slow on current amd's to put much of a workload through them.
Thanks for the heads up though.
I'm kinda glad I didn't wait it out for this gen.
Not that it isn't any better, it just not that much better except for the avx support I think.
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Originally Posted by NEOAethyr
ok .. wich program do you use that requires lots of memory bandwith ....
PCSX2 "might" be one, not 100% sure.
I haven't checked the diffrences in mem speeds with that yet.
But it's a super power hungry app that prefers more then 4ghz quads.
Avisynth I'm pretty sure could use more mem bandwith those.
Certain kinds of filters for both audio and video use one heck of alot of bandwith.
More so then what the stuff in my sig could provide.
I'm on a temp system for now until my mem gets back from rma though.
I haven't checked the 64bit ver of avisynth mt either.
With 64bit generic registers and 64bit mem access it might beable to pull off alot more.
But in 32bit, alot of stuff is just way to much for it in avisynth in terms of realtime filtering.
Other then those 2 apps.
I haven't seen anything come close to using all of my systems power.
So really all is good, it's kind of a golden age in terms of performance.
Just that pcsx2 could use a tiny bit more power, cpu mainly but mem would probably help alot.
Avisynth however I think is the main one that needs more then what we currently have.
The only filter for avisynth I can think off off hand, without re-testing is the sound eq.
The only reason I know is because I was making a new format for video's.
I would pack them, store ratio, in rar's, rename the extention.
Setup the registry for that new extention (scripting using js and batch), to play back in media player classic.
The new format I made for video's I'de download mostly off youtube, multi part videos.
So I could have them all put into a single file.
To piece them together I'de use an avs file, avisynth.
Which worked ok'ish, some of them had miss matches formats for video resolutions and audio types, etc.
So I needed to stretch the video's to a new resolution.
I worked on diffrent filter setups and etc to try to ensure I would get more quality then what was being put in and so it was valid for all my videos.
Well, I ran into a big prob with performance on some of the more fancy filters (higher res, noise, eq's, etc).
So I got the 1st build of the mt avisynth, to buggy.
I got the latest x86 mt build from doom9, worked ok.
Still to slow though.
The very latest are 64bit only.
Lol..
That is actually the only reason I'm looking at converting to the 64bit os.
Because everything I tried in the "past" with win2k3 x64 datacenter really didn't make any diffrence in performance.
But perhaps with all that raw data, the 64bit os might work well for that.
Seeing that intel boards with tripple chan, and now these sandy bridge intel's with dual chan blowing amd out of the water in terms of mem bandwith.
I think it could be very helpful for these extremely large workloads.
It's not like I want to render the original final fantasy movie in real time lol, I just wanna use avisynth to it's full potential.
:)
so your not sure if your programs really need more processing power or more bandwith yet you deffinatly think there is a big need for bandwith ... . why not try to max your memory controler now instead of wanting more that you wont even max out ..
Komodo needs a new socket BECAUSE it got an integrated GPU, according to two different revisions of AMD slides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
Which part of that don't you understand?:D
Well obviously, otherwise there would be only one..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
However, they're usually not far away from each other in some terms.
What you're suggesting is that Komodo shouldn't have integrated PCIe, which honestly doesn't make sense at all.
Why would AMD do that?
Can you tell me one reason why AMD shouldn't integrate PCIe in Komodo CPU's when the roadmap shows that the server CPU's will get it in 2012, and Intel have by that time been using it in desktop CPU's for 3 years?
I never said I had had any facts, but according to AMD:
C32/G34 was launched ~Q2 2010, and will work with first gen BD, but not second gen 32 nm BD. One obvious reason is integrated PCIe, see #2 and #3 in the post you replied to.
Disclaimer: Komodo is not an APU.
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Originally Posted by Mats
wich part of it says new socket on a roadmap ?????
wich part of it says am3+ ... none .. so anything is still up for speculation ... but its not set in stones thats all that i said ...
I'm glad MSI listened and staggered the dimm slots.
Well, as for the GPU, for all we know, AM3+ could be simply implementing a passthrough or a frame buffer copy device to the NB's IGP, in that way, mantaining existing compatibility, while also allowing APUs to work :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
As for PCIe controllers on die, maybe, we'll have to see what AMD decides to do. We don't even know if Intel will keep Socket 2011 with on-die or seperate PCIe controllers :D
That's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Nowhere, no official doc, AFAIK. As I said on page 2, nothing is set in stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
It's all about making conclusions out of the few things we know, but you fail to show me any indications that Komodo will work with AM3+, and that's just because there aren't any.
You really don't get it, do you?:rofl: You don't want to understand, but that's just because of wishful thinking.
I still hope I'm wrong, because I don't wanna swap board again. You just refuse to change your mind. How beautiful.:ROTF::ROTF:
??? What do u mean? Slots as dualchannel A1+B1 or...?Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
It sounds to me like you are running out of memory capacity not bandwidth.Quote:
Originally Posted by NEOAethyr
2Gb barely runs windows these days.
Well, I went from 4Gb to 8Gb and also added a 32GB SSD drive to my computer and with DVD Maker and Windows media player removed and now my computer flies along (after I reinstalled Win7 of course).:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
i was just thinking about the new AM3+ platform and NB speeds
are they expecting to increase the default now that a newer platform is coming out?
all NB speeds have been 2ghz, but we know that 2.4ghz is reachable with any chip. so maybe BD could be based around like 2.6/2.8ghz and every 9xx platform is being built for such speeds, since they dont have to worry about people putting a BD into an old weak 8xx/7xx board.
You try running blackman resize 1080p 4 tap along with a bunch of filters, frame rate conversion, audio rate upsampling and supereq...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
Even without messing with the video in any way it's still to slow to pull off supereq.
I can set blackman resize to upscale to that res on my 1090t, use 100% of my availible mem and it's fine.
If I use certain filtes it's slow though, even if I don't upscale.
Supereq doesn't even use all of my mem, and the fps is something like 1-5fps if that, only 50% of my dual core at 2.9ghz being used for supereq...(edit: oh duh it's probably stuck using all of one core..., I wasn't thinking of that, maybe that needs an extremely fast cpu more then 4.5ghz...)
It needs more balls in some way or another...
Thinking quad chan might help.
That's all ;).
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Originally Posted by Mats
why would i need to show proof that komodo will work for am3+ if you agree that nothing is set in stones ...
I'm really liking the look of that board.
You don't need to do anything, including replying to me, but you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
It's not my problem that it takes two weeks for you to read my post.
You asked me what I based my conclusions on, and I answered.
I asked you to do the same. You didn't. My bet is that you can't!:D
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Originally Posted by Mats
LOLL what sort of reply is this???
out of answers allready ;)
and btw i allready answered that post
still waiting at enxt mobos...example Crosshair V Extreme :).
PCSX2 already runs great on my 1090T aside from the usual bugs/compatibility issues with some games. I don't think any Bulldozer chips will be a bottleneck for that emulator. The only people I see complaining about performance with Deneb/Thuban in the forums are those running at stock or a light overclock.