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PC Components Failure Rates - Dec 2010
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Maxtor has the lowest failure rates? This can't be right.
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The data regarding HDD vs SSD failure rate is already being discussed here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=263454
Wow, OCZ memories suck big time :D
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Well Kingston ramz does not fail because nobody OC's it
I wonder if the have taken into consideration total units sold worldwide :shrug:
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ThinQ:
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Data from this source was also limited to products sold through that particular e-retailer sold from 1 October 2009 and April 1, 2010, for returns created before October 2010, after six months to one year of operation. Statistics in this survey are based on a minimum of 100 unit sales, and in some instances as many as 500 unit sales.
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some or all of these differences may not be statistically significant, or significant to the buyer.
just intuitively you can tell this. does 1% extra problems matter? I'll avoid it if I can, but..
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wow. a survey based on a hundred sales. not really reliable id say. and that in half a year to a year of operation, i guess id be interesting to see the picture after 2-3 years
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i have ocz memory, an asrock board and a seasonic psu. whelpppp
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Can agree OCZ memory sucks..too many bad experiences with their quality control. The Power supply one is really surprising. The first and last (antec and seasonic) seems hard to believe. I think their sample data might be questionable.
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Originally Posted by
haschioz
wow. a survey based on a hundred sales. not really reliable id say. and that in half a year to a year of operation, i guess id be interesting to see the picture after 2-3 years
Still this is way better than the anecdotical "I've had three xxxx-brand which rocks so they're much better than brand yyyy"-nonsense that some people spout on forums....
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Originally Posted by
biohead
i have ocz memory, an asrock board and a seasonic psu. whelpppp
Yeah, lol.
Even without this pictures your sytem is still nice. (for how long) :up:
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Well, that OCZ is a crappy brand I never questioned. Neither that Gigabyte produce quality MB's. But that Seasonic PSU's is of worse quality than all those others I seriously doubt. Obviously the samples are far to small.
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Originally Posted by
3Deye
Whee, DeathStar wins! :D
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Originally Posted by
3Deye
Quite odd data... Thermaltake and Fotron ahead of Seasonic and Corsair? :eek:
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Originally Posted by
biohead
i have ocz memory, an asrock board and a seasonic psu. whelpppp
Oh joy, sucks to be you! :rofl:
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Originally Posted by
biohead
i have ocz memory, an asrock board and a seasonic psu. whelpppp
avatar expression suits well :D
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surveys : serious business!!!
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I think the HDD graph must be backwards. I thought everyone knew that Maxtor hands down made the worst drives.
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is that rma vs sales % or rma vs total rmas ?
if it's the first it's normal lower selling brand has less rmas than big brands
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I worked in a computer store as tech for most of last year, and I can vouch for the accuracy of most of these graphs. Especially where OCZ is concerned. Had so, so many problems with it. Hard drive is pretty close, too, although power supplies have me a bit confused. Didn't expect corsair so high up on the graph.
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Originally Posted by
Clint
Well, that OCZ is a crappy brand I never questioned. Neither that Gigabyte produce quality MB's. But that Seasonic PSU's is of worse quality than all those others I seriously doubt. Obviously the samples are far to small.
Not sure how much has changed since my experience of seasonic psus but they seem like one of the worst to me!
My: 600W seasonic died in 2 months, second 600W seasonic lasted 1 month, moved on to 700W FSP Epsilons which were seasonic i think, and had 4 die, the longest lasting 4 months. I eventually gave up after the final one exploded 6 inches from my face and got a 1KW Enermax galaxy. After plugging in a modular cable to that it died too :rofl: The next 1kw galxy I got after that has lasted me 4 years with 0 issues as of today :shrug:
If anything these failure rates seem extremely low compared to what I've experienced! The failure rate for crucial ballistix memory that I've had (probably 10+ kits) is around 90%
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If you're killing all of those power supplies, you're doing something wrong. It's not the supplies.
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Originally Posted by
Bigchrome
Not sure how much has changed since my experience of seasonic psus but they seem like one of the worst to me!
Perhaps something is wrong with your house's power lines...
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Originally Posted by
mele
Where's EVGA?
I don't know in France but at least here in Spain I only know an e-tailer who sells EVGA stuff. No retailer that I know sells their stuff in any shop here. Perhaps it happens the same in France.
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Originally Posted by
3Deye
fail. need more units in sample survey.
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Originally Posted by
Particle
If you're killing all of those power supplies, you're doing something wrong. It's not the supplies.
You'd think that, but I'm fairly sure I did nothing to kill them, and the house's electronics are fairly solid.
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Originally Posted by
zalbard
Perhaps something is wrong with your house's power lines...
There's no such thing as problems with electicity supply for the most part in ireland. Nothing else electronic in our house has died... pretty much ever actually. :shrug:
Along with that my friends got: 3 600w seasonics and a 700w FSP at the same time. 2 of the seasonics are alive still and the fsp is dead. 50% failure rate after 5 years.
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Originally Posted by
zalbard
Perhaps something is wrong with your house's power lines...
This seems far more likely. Maybe just this outlet is wired incorrectly, but at least 110Vac Seasonic units seem to work fine.
Anyways, other than 1 manufacturing problem (with a recall/replacement) with, IIRC, X-650 & X-750 Gold's when they were new, Seasonic has basically been rock solid for years. In fact, they're my go-to brand for reliable PSU's.
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I use Hitachi HDD's, have had two for about 4 years now, no failures... OCZ RAM, 4 sticks, 2 years... I guess I'm just lucky :p:
Best Regards :toast:
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Originally Posted by
mele
Where's EVGA?
Was just going to post that.
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Why do they list Maxtor?
Maxtor was bought by Seagate in '06.
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Originally Posted by
Bigchrome
Not sure how much has changed since my experience of seasonic psus but they seem like one of the worst to me!
My: 600W seasonic died in 2 months, second 600W seasonic lasted 1 month, moved on to 700W FSP Epsilons which were seasonic i think, and had 4 die, the longest lasting 4 months. I eventually gave up after the final one exploded 6 inches from my face and got a 1KW Enermax galaxy. After plugging in a modular cable to that it died too :rofl: The next 1kw galxy I got after that has lasted me 4 years with 0 issues as of today :shrug:
If anything these failure rates seem extremely low compared to what I've experienced! The failure rate for crucial ballistix memory that I've had (probably 10+ kits) is around 90%
FYI FSP Epsilons are made by FSP not Seasonic. In fact all FSP PSUs are. They're one of the biggest OEMs. Though as many suggested already when so many different PSUs have issues in your system something else is causing them to break. You should really have the wiring in your house checked. I must say i'm surprised by both the Seasonic and Corsair failure rate although the sample is so small it's impossible to draw any real conclusions about hardware reliability.
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Originally Posted by
Bobsama
This seems far more likely. Maybe just this outlet is wired incorrectly, but at least 110Vac Seasonic units seem to work fine.
Anyways, other than 1 manufacturing problem (with a recall/replacement) with, IIRC, X-650 & X-750 Gold's when they were new, Seasonic has basically been rock solid for years. In fact, they're my go-to brand for reliable PSU's.
My computer was in 4 different rooms in 2 houses (we moved house) in the time the seasonic and the fsps died, so that's definitely out. I had heard seasonic were the most reliable aswell and that's why I got one. As I recall the reviews on newegg after I got it showed lots of people to be having problems. If you check reviews for m12 based units (xfx 850w for example) you will find that a multitude of people are experiencing whining/doa problems. Imo seasonic are :down: for reliability.
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I'm using an Antec PSU that's based off a Seasonic unit.
Kigston tends to make alot of low end value memory that is rarely overclocked. XFX seem to be very popular graphics cards for the extreme crowd.
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I've had three MSI mobos die on me, one of them as soon as one year after bought. One Asus mobo after 9 years (The performance in the last few years was quite low though, regardless of the OS state), and one Gigabyte after like 3 years.
You can be sure I'll never buy another MSI mobo...
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Originally Posted by
andos
Why do they list Maxtor?
Maxtor was bought by Seagate in '06.
That's why they have the lowest failure rates. They can't fail if they don't exist in the first place.
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Msi here still going strong almost 4yrs,same for the 8gb ocz sticks.
Where's biostar and Ecs and a-data and G-skill.:shrug:
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Originally Posted by
El Maņo
Every time I've had experiences with OCZ is Always a Bad experience
-unstable
-DOA
-or simply a bad quality poor performing product and not stable / compatible ....
this has been around 4 times .... no ocz for me no more never ever till the end of time
ohhh and the ocz power supplies .... you better get the worst generic power supply, it'll be better than the 700w one that foked my hdd and board when it just pooped out of nowhere :( deadly blue / white smoke ....
im in guatemala so no warranties, the actual return shipping of the product costs more than the product itself
yikes :(
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This data is to be taken lightly with a grain of salt.
I agree with others when they speculate that overclocking should be considered, many OCZ ram kits are sold factory overclocked vs plain stock Kingston ram kits.
I'm also shocked at their results for HDD's, and I think it's hard to really survey it accurately, HDD makers seem to be rather inconsistent with each new platter technology, like Seagate and WD for example.. old school 7200.9 HDD's were rather reliable, latter ones were not, WD seemed to be pretty solid with their last generation drives, but their new ones (2TB Blacks) seem to have a lot of complaints on reviews.
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Im not that much talking about these charts just saw the chance to offer my experience with ocz, i have a lot of experience with hardware since 1996 and all the hardware that has failed me since has been that brand
can i be so unlucky or is it the plain truth ?
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Originally Posted by
3Deye
This makes a lot of sense, considering Seasonic is the OEM for some of the companies with better reliability than them. Pretty sure they make Antec and Corsair's PSUs, or at least some of them.
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Originally Posted by
KoHaN69
Maxtor has the lowest failure rates? This can't be right.
Considering Maxtor is a division of Seagate it makes perfect sense.
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Originally Posted by
BeepBeep2
Considering Maxtor is a division of Seagate it makes perfect sense.
you guys are talking about 2 different maxtor's
beep he was talking about before seagate bought out maxtor
you are thinking about after seagate bought out maxtor
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Originally Posted by
saint-francis
That's why they have the lowest failure rates. They can't fail if they don't exist in the first place.
It's a percentage. If there's less of them, the failure rate should still be the same.
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It is pron, this is bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: to compare TT and Seasonic PSUs :)
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Originally Posted by
stangracin3
you guys are talking about 2 different maxtor's
beep he was talking about before seagate bought out maxtor
you are thinking about after seagate bought out maxtor
But the one he's talking about no longer applies? Maxtor was aquired by Seagate in 2006...only in the last month or so has it been defunct...
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I think it also depends on how many units are bought.
I believe the gigabyte less failure because you see not so many complaints and failures.
The seasonic doesn't make sense because They make most of the PSUs around.
OCZ i believe 100%. I have bought 4 things OCZ in the past year 2 went back dead and 2 were exchanged because they didn't work like advertised.
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From a statistics standpoint, if we assume each company produces well over 10 million units annually and take a generous 95% confidence, they would need to have a minimum sample size of at least 385 for each company before the test is considered valid. With a sample size of 100, like they used, the margin of error is 9.8% meaning that 90% (probability) of the data actually reflects true failure rates of the product brands.
Also, I have had a bad corsair power supply.
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wont be getting ocz ram I guess
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Wow, really?
Seasonic and OCZ fails the most; that can't be right!
Maxtor?!
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Originally Posted by
biohead
i have ocz memory, an asrock board and a seasonic psu. whelpppp
I wouldnt worry this survey seems to be off by a huge margin, ive had some old OCZ ram for few years now and still running strong in my HTPC
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Originally Posted by
kadozer
Can agree OCZ memory sucks..too many bad experiences with their quality control. The Power supply one is really surprising. The first and last (antec and seasonic) seems hard to believe. I think their sample data might be questionable.
totally agree about the power supplies and seasonic & corsair are the best in the business, and having owned the 620hx 1000hx 750tx none have failed so it doesnt make any sense!
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Originally Posted by
zalbard
Whee, DeathStar wins! :D
Quite odd data... Thermaltake and Fotron ahead of Seasonic and Corsair? :eek:
Oh joy, sucks to be you! :rofl:
Dont shatter his heart :D
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Originally Posted by
mnewxcv
wont be getting ocz ram I guess
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Originally Posted by
lkiller123
Wow, really?
Dont let a stupid survey change your opinions, i have never had any issues with ocz ram.. tbh more g skills have failed on me..
Seasonic and OCZ fails the most; that can't be right!
Maxtor?!
Definately agree, this survey is pure fail
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Amen, but then again studies like these have never meant much after the end all study that went after what type of people different brands attracted. Big surprise; but what the study found was that Hyundai owner were neglectful and :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:y, Honda owners were better at servicing their car and less likely to complain about failures, more than enough to make up for the slim margins above.
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Originally Posted by
Zigosity
I worked in a computer store as tech for most of last year, and I can vouch for the accuracy of most of these graphs. Especially where OCZ is concerned. Had so, so many problems with it. Hard drive is pretty close, too, although power supplies have me a bit confused. Didn't expect corsair so high up on the graph.
My Corsair HX620W died just last week. RMA'ing it on Monday.
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Originally Posted by
tiro_uspsss
fail. need more units in sample survey.
This.... 500 samples max is a joke. :shakes:
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Originally Posted by
biohead
i have ocz memory, an asrock board and a seasonic psu. whelpppp
:lol: good luck man! :D
what rma numbers are these though?
from customers back to the shop (basically customers dont like the product but it works fine) or rmas to the distri/manufacturer?
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Although BFG have gone into liquidation it would have been nice to see what their failure rate was too, because I had no end of problems with BFG products :(
Looking at the chart I am slightly worried as I do have OCZ RAM and an Enermax PSU!
My OCZ RAM was RMA'd a while back due to it randomly becoming defective at ANY speed. (even at 1066Mhz it would fail memtest). 1 out of 4 sticks was defective, but I returned all 4 as the heat spreaders were coming lose on all 4 and OCZ advised as a precaution to get them all RMA'd
Replacement 8GB is running happily, but one heat spreader is starting to come lose :(
Perhaps the issue is not with OCZ RAM per say, but the heat spreaders they put on those Platinum modules.
John
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Since these statistics were simply returns to an etailer in France, which being part of the EU has to allow a no-questions-asked 14 day right of return for any product purchased, these stats provided are rather meaningless as they are only returns, not failures exclusively. And we all know buyers who get buyer's remorse.......or find a better "deal" the day after buying.....or find out the motherboard/video card/cpu/whatever they bought doesn't overclock as well as thought.....or the RAM doesn't look pretty like in the photo......or the cables on the power supply aren't long enough to reach in their case.....or on and on and on.
We all know of people who've purchased a video card/power supply/motherboard/whatever after weeks of agonizing over the decision, only to see their "other choice" go on sale the day after they've received it and return the original product for the "better" on-sale item.
Meaningless statistics with only the information provided.....unless simple return rates to a retailer for whatever reason turns you on.
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HDD chart is wrong. My company makes DVR's and we have used Hitachi for the last 7years, and they almost always (%99) last > 3 years. DVR use is very hard on HDD's, we've tried every manufacture, and Hitachi was/is the best (reliability wise), with WD a close second.
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I have been running a Corsair HX620 for nearly three years 24/6 still running strong.
Same with an ASUS board.
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Originally Posted by
alpha0ne
Well Kingston ramz does not fail because nobody OC's it
I wonder if the have taken into consideration total units sold worldwide :shrug:
Agreed.
The same goes for maxtor, I don't think a lot of people around use maxtor.
No data for PC Power & Cooling :(
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Originally Posted by
ericware
No data for PC Power & Cooling :(
Not surprised. PCP&C isn't really even a blip on the EU's sales charts in power supplies......almost exclusively an American brand.
Of course, why would one even care these days....PCP&C isn't even a ghost of what they once were. Now, it's only a name OCZ slaps on some average/mediocre performing units built by less-than-top flight ps manufacturers.
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Yea PC&P is no more, OCZ brand. You know if these are based on returns it makes sense, I would return the most expensive PSU after finding out that it is the same thing as that cheaper corsair or XFX! you know? But for mobos, I think it makes perfect sense, you don't return a mobo unless its broke, just like ram you don't return unless its broke. All in all this is a terrible terrible sample size, I hope this site doesn't write reviews.
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I don't know why everyone been knocking OCZ recently. I have had the same 2x2GB DDR2 kit from them now for 3 years. No issues.
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Originally Posted by
xBanzai89
I don't know why everyone been knocking OCZ recently. I have had the same 2x2GB DDR2 kit from them now for 3 years. No issues.
you can't base your opinion on one set of ram lasting a while. (though technically you can, and sometimes that's all one can do, but it doesn't really make sense)
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I've got a pair of 600w Powerstreams and a 1000w Proxtreme working fine, and some DDR2, and even one of those 30gb SSD's based on the crappy controller. Some people just have bad luck.
My Antec 1000w on the other hand is dead.. so yeah.
CrazyNutz - tried the Seagate 500gb "video survelence" drives?
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In this thread - sheeple learn the definition of sample size and statistical significance.
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No surprise higher perfermance parts have higher failure rates, its like comparing a blown mustang to a camry in reliabilty.
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I wonder how Evga's motherboard department would compare to this. I'm not surprised with OCZ memory the kit I bought from them was DOA and I just returned it for a refund. Corsair, kingston, and G skill are good brands.
