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Need 2x256 to get higher score "Command per Clock =Disabled"
cant run "Enabled" with 2x512mb :/
=lower score
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Need 2x256 to get higher score "Command per Clock =Disabled"
cant run "Enabled" with 2x512mb :/
=lower score
great oc and fsb man! :toast:
Congrats man. I think you beat xduck's record :)
Poor mem @ 3.7v
wow
that is very nice:)
A very nice oc indeed :slobber:
Great oc!:toast:
too bad a nf7-s at 250fsb would crush a infinity at 277fsb in bandwidth tests like lobby.
You got pictures of your setup?
dfi infinity is the best board!!Quote:
Originally posted by Daishi
too bad a nf7-s at 250fsb would crush a infinity at 277fsb in bandwidth tests like lobby.
277FSB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!awesome!!!!!!!
great job;):toast:
Nope not with 2x256mb....!!.. and low multiplier.Quote:
Originally posted by Daishi
too bad a nf7-s at 250fsb would crush a infinity at 277fsb in bandwidth tests like lobby.
I would be interested in seeing that proof. :stick:
Quote:
Originally posted by Daishi
too bad a nf7-s at 250fsb would crush a infinity at 277fsb in bandwidth tests like lobby.
GREAT OC!!! :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
do i need to get mrIce in here and tell you im right. the dfi has more relaxed settings therefore it gets higher fsb, and at less bandwidth.<-------that is pulled from mrIce's mouth
you sound like a 4 yr old saying that. proove that.Quote:
Originally posted by skate2snow
dfi infinity is the best board!!
I thin it all depends on how u mod ur board, and how good it is. Some are better then others. if u get a good NF2 board and load a good bios, and then mod it, wooosh, awa it goes............
Quote:
Originally posted by MrIcee
Here is a hard number: comparo in Lobby low using Xabre 200(Xtreme OC competition vid card)
Member with Abit NF7-S at 217Mhz FSB and approx. 2280 Mhz= 125 FPS @ 300/265
My setup at 230Mhz FSB approx 2290Mhz= 102 FPS @ 300/265
We are using the same video drivers and DX9.
I can equal or better in card dependant tests Draqon and Nature
I get my azz whipped in bandwidth dependant tests car and lobby.
Those talking about the board being tuned for DX9 and ATI, not real sure about that indeed. First I've heard of that phenomena.
Randi:D
just go in 3-4 pages later and it have a poll that like 35 people have vote for the best between nf7-s and DFI infinity, 100% of the votes have goes to the DFI. If thats not enough for you talk to othersQuote:
Originally posted by Daishi
you sound like a 4 yr old saying that. proove that.
Quote:
Originally posted by Daishi
do i need to get mrIce in here and tell you im right. the dfi has more relaxed settings therefore it gets higher fsb, and at less bandwidth.<-------that is pulled from mrIce's mouth
you sound like a 4 yr old saying that. proove that.
Get MrIce plz...i realy need se way you think NF7-S is faster!..(my NF7-S was slower for me)
But have learned much about this board...same for NF7-S.. and NF7-S is slower with 9800pro for me....(but maybe with Ti4200 nf7-s is faster..)but way use slower gfx...
why are you so "its my way or the highway" your not prooving ANYTHING. you may say that, but i dont see the voteQuote:
Originally posted by skate2snow
just go in 3-4 pages later and it have a poll that like 35 people have vote for the best between nf7-s and DFI infinity, 100% of the votes have goes to the DFI. If thats not enough for you talk to others
at least state why you think the dfi is better
dont be like "DFI i5 teh b457 m0b0 3ver w00t im 1337"
first: ive said that like that becoze youve insult me"you sound like a 4yrs old". second: Im not a DFI fan, and most of theyre products are not really "the best". and last: here is the poll 95% have vote for DFI.Quote:
Originally posted by Daishi
why are you so "its my way or the highway" your not prooving ANYTHING. you may say that, but i dont see the vote
at least state why you think the dfi is better
dont be like "DFI i5 teh b457 m0b0 3ver w00t im 1337"
BTW: im probably younger then you, but not stupid
THAT my friend is a different board that costs 170bucks...hmmm 170$ board or 90$ board...ill take the 170$ one!
and you still arent stating why the dfi is better...
i dont really know why the DFI is better, but it must be better by the poll;). I dont know much on AMD, but thats what i read;)
they are voting on a LANPARTY not infinity...
AND they are voting on which overclocks better...well duh the infinity. BUT the nf7-s is faster at lower fsb speeds compared to a infinity at high fsb
Quote:
Originally posted by Daishi
THAT my friend is a different board that costs 170bucks...hmmm 170$ board or 90$ board...ill take the 170$ one!
and you still arent stating why the dfi is better...
ill educate youa little.. the lanparty B and NFII infinity are the same mobo. *EXACT SAME*
the lanparty has a few more glitz and glaor features, like gigalan and 2 more sata headers. oh its GLOWY! OMG!! lol
they use the exact same pcb(differant color obviously but same layout) all the same parts. the LP just has a few more IC's added for the extra stuff. then you pay for al the extra stuff it comes with.. a bag for your pc, rounded cables a bunch of usb slot fillers and junk.. prety much all useless.
in regaurd to an overclock, there is ZERO differance between teh two. thus why one can conclude the infinity would be a better board, being almost $80 cheaper and having the same parts.
yes dominic.... infinity=lanparty...but i was just saying that cause at first i thought it was which was a better board, and clearly if you asked some1 what they would want...lanparty or nf7-s they would say lp cause it looks cool and oc's better, BUT it is slower at the same fsb than the nf7-s
lol.. i read what you said after i posted.. were you compareing finity to LP? if so, i slap you, if it was nf7 vs LP/finty, then right you are.
ive talked with dfi, the boards are clones. jsut more stuff slapped on teh LP
yes nf7-s vs infinity/LP
I have to agree with Daishi on this.
using DFI's 12/31 bios, it decreases certain benchmark scores in 3dmars01
viking has to use the 12/31 bios to achieve is record-breaking 277fsb. this is because he has double-sided memory.
I also have double-sided bh5's and single sided bh5's.
using both the single sided and double-sided bh5's with the 12/31 bios at 240fsb, I've lost a 600-630pts off my 3dmarks01.
now using my single sided bh5's on the 12/10 or 12/18 bios, I gain back those extra 600 pts.
the 277 on the DFI that viking uses will probably score less on 3dmarks01 against a 250fsb on a NF7-s.
the 12/31 somehow causes loss of bandwidth on agp, but gives double-sided memory an increase in fsb.
What is double sided memory? Do you mean duel channel?
no double sided memory=memory with ram chips on both sides
heh, look at the memory stick itself, you can actually see that all the chips are on one-side of the green or black pcb.
double-sided is when you see memory chips on both sides of the pcb. pretty sure most people knew that. :p:
damn nice score there viking. :toast:
I wonder what makes the DFI oc that high...
its like if you say: why 2.4C OC higher then 2.8C.
dont think so actually - There gotta be something really special ´bout their nb´s...
Hmm
no they have relaxed settings most likely, or the pcb and bios is great
the great bios!
Worst chipset settings probably.Quote:
Originally posted by bias_hjorth
damn nice score there viking. :toast:
I wonder what makes the DFI oc that high...
maybe but it still punch out some packs. Especially and sisoft. Dunno bout 3dmark DFI. vs. Abit clock by clock - Anyone tried that?
yea abit>dfi clock for clock
Wow! 277fsb on nf2? Congrats!
Gotta get me one of those DFI nf2.
suspected that. But the DFI ownz anyway considering that killer FSB :toast:
clock for clock, yes abit wins, but at the end DFI winsQuote:
Originally posted by Daishi
yea abit>dfi clock for clock
NIce oc man.:D
think he knows ;-) - he was answering my question
NOQuote:
Originally posted by skate2snow
clock for clock, yes abit wins, but at the end DFI wins
why dont you read the posts by spork and alex
I think the only way that DFI might win is if it uses the 12/10 or 12/18 bios w/ single sided bh5's that can achieve 277fsb @ 2-2-2-11. Then we might see a huge difference in 3dmarks and other benching utilities.
and the chances of that = VERY few
true to that!
im maybe thinking 2x256 adata single-sided bh5 modules might be the best to acheive anything close to that. maybe at 3.6volts
but yeah your right, chances are slim to none.
hey, this is like to compare a 875P whit a 865PE, clock for clock the 875P wins whit is PAT, but if you go like 5FSB higher whit the 865PE the PE will win;). Thats my point
welll its not 5fsb with the infinity...it takes like >20 more fsb to match the nf7-s
Congrats :toast: Now lets see some 3D benchies
I don't know xduck is pertty touchy on his fsb reacord, probably tied it any ways. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Sovereignty
I think you beat xduck's record :)
No PAT is worth ~20fsb of performance for me.Quote:
Originally posted by skate2snow
hey, this is like to compare a 875P whit a 865PE, clock for clock the 875P wins whit is PAT, but if you go like 5FSB higher whit the 865PE the PE will win;). Thats my point
ok so i will say 20FSB;). Its was only to explain the point.
Not sure it's quite that much though I do agree abit performs better than DFI as a former NF7-S guy myself. But which bios do you make this statement on for as much as 20....Quote:
Originally posted by Daishi
welll its not 5fsb with the infinity...it takes like >20 more fsb to match the nf7-s
I get a big hit from 12/31 compared to 12/10 and 12/18 so I stopped using Command per clock in it. I got my points back and then some. This is like 600 points which also would take a lot of fsb headroom to get back. 20 fsb difference even with CPC on in 12/31 or at least instead utilizing 12/10 or 12/18? Important distinctiion becuase then I think 20 might even be a conservative estimate if you mean 12/31 with CPC disabled. Otherwise, too much.
Can anyone do a similar run on any recorded NF7S scores (from maybe an older setup you had) on record at some fsb >200 vrs. infinity? I would but my scores dont have quite as much info as I'd like. I also cant get as good clocks out of my VC anymore so its hard to tell and do a fair comparison. I tried to do a compare at 228 but no luck with finding a good repeatable bench. So many had NF7S's and now this you'd think it would be easy.
I think daishi is right w/ 20FSB. sorry
well you can reach 250's with the 18 or 10 bios when you sink the MOSFETs.
needless to say, it is EXTREMELY FAST.:slobber:
Hey, what are you implying? :mad: I openly admit that he beat my record outright... Why would you make such a lowblow even before I even posted a reply to this thread? :confused: :(Quote:
Originally posted by cowpuppy
Congrats :toast: Now lets see some 3D benchies
I don't know xduck is pertty touchy on his fsb reacord, probably tied it any ways. ;)
hehe we still love you xduckx.
however xduckx, i bet you beat him 3dmarks01 benchmarks even if he had a 9800pro oc'd
DFI overclocks very high bc of its voltage options.Quote:
Originally posted by bias_hjorth
damn nice score there viking. :toast:
I wonder what makes the DFI oc that high...
No offence, but you know what about this? Or are you his spokesman?:toast:Quote:
Originally posted by skate2snow
I think daishi is right w/ 20FSB. sorry
Asking him because we both had NF7S's and want some of his input becaue I know its different just not how much. Can't duplicate my old recorded scores but I either dont have enough info, and also I cant get my cpu as high with only 2v, and my card just dont OC as well as some other runs in the past.
No offence sk8. It's just I've noticed your quite the intel fan and I just dont know if you've had the experience with the NF2 platforms to compare two boards when we are talking about a couple hundred marks.
No offence xduck, didn't mean it to come off as a low blow either.............I was just rembering back to another thread............maybe it was some bad humor.
22,890 :)Quote:
Originally posted by Alex08
hehe we still love you xduckx.
however xduckx, i bet you beat him 3dmarks01 benchmarks even if he had a 9800pro oc'd
The DFI slower per-clock is just the 12-31, and perhaps the 12-18.
I know with a sinked board the 12-10 FLIES.
I dont know how many of you have a Barton at 11x200 and a 9700 Pro, but with a DFI board that will land 17,400 stock. Which is huge and better than what the NF7-S will do unless it has serious OS advantages.
Or to those well versed in 3DMark 2k1, it brings the 3200+ chip up to 92 FPS Car High. Which is anywhere from 5-2 FPS higher than an equivalent NF7-S.
S.A.E has some side-by-side compares with his NF7 and Infinity scores, someone should point him this way for a true comparison.
Single sided sticks dont support 4-bank interleving, or at least thats what i've heard before...
I agree. As I stated in another thread dfi infinity is FASTER with 12/10 beta bios than nf7-s. I have both the boards (well I HAD abit, no longer now) and I tested at 240x10 with same settings to compare: the infinity board flies and blows away the abit in 3dmark bandwith tests, the final score is 250/300 points higher. I didn't try 12/18 and 12/31 bioses so cannot say anything about them.Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
The DFI slower per-clock is just the 12-31, and perhaps the 12-18.
I know with a sinked board the 12-10 FLIES.
I dont know how many of you have a Barton at 11x200 and a 9700 Pro, but with a DFI board that will land 17,400 stock. Which is huge and better than what the NF7-S will do unless it has serious OS advantages.
Or to those well versed in 3DMark 2k1, it brings the 3200+ chip up to 92 FPS Car High. Which is anywhere from 5-2 FPS higher than an equivalent NF7-S.
S.A.E has some side-by-side compares with his NF7 and Infinity scores, someone should point him this way for a true comparison.
I would like someone to prove it...I am interested in buying a NF7(non s or maybe s,I don't think s performs better) or an infinity,so...
What kind of FSB's can you get with those BIOSes though?Quote:
Originally posted by Iolao
I agree. As I stated in another thread dfi infinity is FASTER with 12/10 beta bios than nf7-s. I have both the boards (well I HAD abit, no longer now) and I tested at 240x10 with same settings to compare: the infinity board flies and blows away the abit in 3dmark bandwith tests, the final score is 250/300 points higher. I didn't try 12/18 and 12/31 bioses so cannot say anything about them.
A lot of guys were running high 240-250's with 10, seems that sinking a few mosfets made a huge difference.
BTW, duck, check out a new modded 10 thats out. Someone threw in the DFI timings and BIOS options.
Still not as strong per clock but Shroomalistic hit 10x260 with it and nearly passed 4000 Sandra.
I have to say DFI vs the Abit , the NF7-S is faster clock for clock, just judging from my comparison with SAE's and numerous other dude's results.. but to find a high FSB NF7-S is a bit tedious @ times
comparing with SAE's 11x255 run, we both have similar card clocks and CPU clocks, but 255 vs 242 FSB, the NF7-S is just 4 fps behind in lobby low..
btw xDUCK, ur drago looks very very stuffed up for those clocks...
DFI = most consistent high FSB board, but slower clock for clock
well maybe the infinity can outperform the nf7s just by shear consistancy and higher fsb.
it seems clear that its differant for differant peoples setups which board or bios is best.
but i see a theme, nf7 is faster at the same clocks, but the infinty will get higher fsb and make up for the slowness, thus breaking even or slightely faster, or slightely slower, depending on your setup.
can we agree on that? for the most part at least.
Ok Ok,
I havnt posted for a while on any forums anywhere, been way too busy, but I need to say a few things with regards to all the comments being made abt the NF7 and the DFI nforce2 brds (revB's of course).
First and foremost NO TWO BOARDS OF THE SAME TYPE ARE THE SAME. Very sorry for the capital letters but from what I have been reading the majority of peeps are making the assumption that all NF7 or all Infinities are the same this is incorrect. This applies to ALL compnents. This has been mentioned by other peeps many times be4 but i thought it needed mentioning again.
Next, to at least be able to compare the two together the platforms need to be IDENTICAL the only difference being the motherbrd. This also includes the OS; drivers need to be the same, installed in the same order, same patches etc etc.
The only results I i trust from what i have read are those which have been made by peeps who have had both the NF7 and the DFI brd. At the moment this is Iolao and SAE. I trust their judgement on the installation of the OS and also that they are using the same components in their comparissons.
Their results show that the DFI brds are clock to clock better then the NF7 providing they use the 'strongest' bios available for the DFI brds. Ofcouse 'better' is dependent on what YOU want the brd to be better at!
Ofcourse this isnt enuff to make a definite comparisson and im sure this argument will go on for a long time. Their are far too many different opinions out their made with different hardware configurations, different bioses, and different levels of tweaking and mods.
Mr Icee has shown that on a specific platform that the NF7 is showing to be a better perofrmer then the DFI brds, but this is HIS analysis which looking at the amount of peeps out their with DFI brds their sure is a large chance that other peeps will have similar results.
So this is my message to those of you who want to make statements saying which of the two is better. Please dont base your assumptions on scattered information found arnd this and many other forums. If you want to say which one is better as a definitive statement provide proof and your reasoning. Proof for me being side to side comparisson of both brds together in a controlled test environment.
Personally im not in a position to have an opinion on this, when i get my infinity i will post results side by side. I think the Infinity will have a hard time beating my NF7 in 3dmark, i seem to have a excellent NF7 brd for
- 3DMark2001 -
Until then my conclusions are drawn from Iolao and SAE and any others who can provide side by side comparissons.
Thanxs for those who have read my post and understood my points.
L8rz
mongoled
-EDIT-
Damn i forgot why i read this thread in the first place. Congratulations dude, thats a fantastic fsb speed and excellent bandwidth
:toast:
keep the goodwork up
Do you have a link for that bios? - I'm very interested ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
A lot of guys were running high 240-250's with 10, seems that sinking a few mosfets made a huge difference.
BTW, duck, check out a new modded 10 thats out. Someone threw in the DFI timings and BIOS options.
Still not as strong per clock but Shroomalistic hit 10x260 with it and nearly passed 4000 Sandra.
I have to correct myself on 3dmark difference: it's 200 points, I just checked the results I had written down on some paper. I didn't test latest bios beta most people are using now, but if it disables command per clock and decreases performance, that's not my way. I'm gonna working on 12/10 bios for the moment, trying to go ahead and solve voltage problems by modding.
xDuck: I'm limited to 247 3dmark benchable tight timings; it seems a low ram voltage stopping me, so a vmem should help, I will look into this as soon as I have spare time.
to all: as for comparison, I will replicate my 3dmark score in signature with DFI (same all: OS, drivers, bios settings) but I need first to do vcore mod as my cpu can't keep that otherwise.
-tictac modded bios deleted-
yes the total 3dmark score, but i think if you look at the lobby tests, the nf7 will win.Quote:
Originally posted by Iolao
I agree. As I stated in another thread dfi infinity is FASTER with 12/10 beta bios than nf7-s. I have both the boards (well I HAD abit, no longer now) and I tested at 240x10 with same settings to compare: the infinity board flies and blows away the abit in 3dmark bandwith tests, the final score is 250/300 points higher. I didn't try 12/18 and 12/31 bioses so cannot say anything about them.
and yea weres a link to that bios?
I clearly remember all bandwith tests like lobby hi and car hi were sensibly higher, otherwise how come that higher total score?Quote:
Originally posted by Daishi
yes the total 3dmark score, but i think if you look at the lobby tests, the nf7 will win.
and yea weres a link to that bios?
Its becoze i dont know much things about AMD, so what im doing is transport what ive heard in other treads.Quote:
Originally posted by texuspete2k2
No offence, but you know what about this? Or are you his spokesman?:toast:
I definitely respect your opinion, it's just i know I surely couldnt compare two springdale boards on the basis of a couple hundred marks without having them in hand. Thats all I meant. :toast:
Oh mongoled:
I've got both too but can't do any direct comparisons with projects I have saved for one reason or another. Like my VC doesnt clock as high but having said that.... I agree I think NF7 has more pop but the infinity is more consistent. With same ram timings and amount, OS, drivers, VC everything only board different. I got 18k on the inifinity at 231*10=2.31G and VC clocks of 365/320 and on my abit at 208*11.5=2.38G, 383/320. Hard to compare right, but I know 23 fsb made up for 70MHz CPU and 17MHz Graphics core, I thought it might be more.Quote:
The only results I i trust from what i have read are those which have been made by peeps who have had both the NF7 and the DFI brd. At the moment this is Iolao and SAE. I trust their judgement on the installation of the OS and also that they are using the same components in their comparissons.
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I mentioned my bios findings and I hate to beat a dead horse but but if anyone does 3dmark or any other performance testing between bios's it is necessary to try the latest 12/31 with Command per Clock back on. I agree about the nosedive in performance on 12/31 but you can get it back plus whatever other benefits. I got my 500 back (lost from 12/10 and 12/18) and another 100. I have double sided ram. It's just tougher on ram it seems... standard fair. Makes more sense than thinking the board magic bios gives 20 more fsb. Add the volts and it will still go. It just needs to be mentioned when we are talking about a couple hundred marks because this alone is easily a couple hundred. Then I think abit wins by a more moderate amount, and thats provided you get one that isnt bad.
oh!!!! I was only saying a supposition...LOL
+ the ex-Abit, Now DFI engineer putting out the beta bioses :)Quote:
Originally posted by Vanrick
DFI overclocks very high bc of its voltage options.
What does "stuffed up" mean? :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by Ragnarok
btw xDUCK, ur drago looks very very stuffed up for those clocks...
messed up.Quote:
Originally posted by xDUCK
What does "stuffed up" mean? :confused:
looks low to me
xDUCK do you have a compare?
Huh? I assume you mean this, but I linked my "22,890" post with it already... :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
xDUCK do you have a compare?
look the first post of the page;)
I just skim read, sorry. :)
*edit*
xDUCK, why not bench at a higher FSB? Very nice GFX scores though. :)
I know this aint a record but i was able to hit 272 dual channel 1:1 with a 2.5,3,3,11 timing. I used tictacs modded bios d10beta2. XDUCK if you should give one of his bios's a try. They clock pretty high. you get get them here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=26343
I got my DFI Infinity in totday but there is a big problem. The prometeia cools the cpu to well. And the mainboard thinks that the cpu = 250 + and will not pass the post screen. I wiated an few min and powerd the pc without starting the prom en it would go past the post.
Has anyone a fix for this problem ? My Abit would boot @ 252c ( it was -42 )
i think there was a beta bios that was modded by tictac to turn off the temp warning.
Looks like the AXP is capable of the same bandwidth as the A64.
So much for the integrated memory controller...by nature it should have a lower latency but that's not what Sandra is showing us.
Sandra isn't showing latency either so and buffered sandra is very depending on other things then memories and memorycontroller. Unbuffered is better to use for comparing but still isn't really good. I like to see an nF2 pull of 4000/4000 in sandra buffered at ~260 also ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
Looks like the AXP is capable of the same bandwidth as the A64.
So much for the integrated memory controller...by nature it should have a lower latency but that's not what Sandra is showing us.
Use ScienceMark 2.0, wich also measures latencies and i'm sure A64 will be winning.
necroposting is teh baid
sorry.....
didnt notice bout the date....
really sorry......
sorry... didnt notice the date :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic