Geforce GTX 570 comes soon

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/ite...570-comes-soon

480 shaders

It looks like the GF110 core will find home in one more card. Nvidia has just launched the Geforce GTX 580, also known as Fermi done right and you can take a look at our thoughts here, and there will be one more card to come.

Geforce GTX 570 is the name and it is based on the same chip but instead of 512 shaders enabled, the new card has one cluster less and 480 shaders, like the GTX 480. We can do the math and tell you how many other parts you care about Nvidia cut out, but we will wait to see the specs before we jump the guns.

The launch date has been set for this year, but we still don’t know exactly when. The interesting point is that this card should offer similar of faster performance than the GTX 480 at a lower price simply as the shader count is the same, and this new chip clocks higher.

We will try to find out more, but one thin is very clear, this card replaces GTX 480 and launches soon. (That's two things. sub. ed. )

6950 competitor, sounds like we're gonna have opposing cards at all levels, yay

So they release a GTX570 who will have 480SP? like the GTX480... 2-5% perf more of the actual GTX480 ? Anyway for the box it will be easy, just put a new stickers on it..

lol let's hope this can keep up with the 6950, otherwise its gonna be a massive fail

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So they release a GTX570 who will have 480SP? like the GTX480... 2-5% perf more of the actual GTX480 ? Anyway for the box it will be easy, just put a new stickers on it..

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it should be a 480 with a new silicone rev and maybe some less bandwidth, but it should preform exactly the same or close with no meaningful change, the fixed chip should be lower watt.

IMO, look at the original furmi launch and thats whats coming

Maybe even be slightly slower, since the difference between 480 and 580 ain't that big. These are just chips that didn't pass the GTX 580 test. Should be available within two months or so, like it was the case with GTX 275. Still might be a decent replacement for the 480, using a lot less power and being even quieter than 580. Of course pricing and Cayman will determine the final outcome.

Where is 560. That's the card that i like to see.

I expect to have a TDP of 225W, clocked at 700Mhz...
It would have even lower temperature than GTX 580.
So we will have GTX 480 performance at lower power consumption and heat.
And may be even higher frecuencys in overclocking...950-970Mhz.
Price i expect to be 369-399$.
Next would be GTX 560, 384SP, based on GF104, at 300$. :)

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Originally Posted by zanzabar

it should be a 480 with a new silicone rev and maybe some less bandwidth, but it should preform exactly the same or close with no meaningful change, the fixed chip should be lower watt.

IMO, look at the original furmi launch and thats whats coming

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He, i know, thanks, i just make a joke it will make gain some times to AIB, they can use the old box, as the spec will be exactly the same .... i don't say they " rename GTX480 to GTX570 " lol ...

The specs won't be the same and it will be slower than GTX480. Don't forget, that Nv will also cut ROPs.
I would guess: 480sp 700mhz, 320bit with 1900mhz memory. A bit slower than GTX480 and later there should also be a third cut down part GTX565, as there would be still too much chips which aren't even good enough for GTX570.

May be, still this round a GTX 565 with 448SP? and a TDP 200W, will sound much better than what was GTX 465 to GTX 400'.
But i wouldn't be that sure, yelds could be much better for GF110 than they were for GF100.
I mean even the availability for GTX 580 is much better than it was for GTX 480&GTX 470.

Blasphemy name changes over the same arch. only tweaked:rolleyes::down::up::shrug::ROTF:

Go GO price war. err ears:p:
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com...8675435696.jpg

My guess at it:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8208/nv5x.jpg

Will NVIDIA fade out 400 series soon?

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Originally Posted by PatRaceTin

Will NVIDIA fade out 400 series soon?

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Most probably, except for GTX460. GF110 has less heat consumption and better yields. So why not?

my bet's on the 5xx series failing due to the fact that you can get two 470's for a good bit less than the 580 and I'm guessing the same two 470's will only be a little bit more than the 570 (maybe $50 at most)

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

my bet's on the 5xx series failing due to the fact that you can get two 470's for a good bit less than the 580 and I'm guessing the same two 470's will only be a little bit more than the 570 (maybe $50 at most)

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one word: EOL :P

Makes me wonder if NVIDIA has any plans to use MLAA anti-aliasing mode for their cards. This is one of the things that has locked me to AMD cards regardless of what NVIDIA can offer now. Even if it's much faster or cheaper. And i can probably say this for sure that there are other ppl who think the same. So it would be nice if NVIDIA also offers us something like MLAA to give us a bit more choice :D

how long existed 460? it seemed it was recent :p

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how long existed 460? it seemed it was recent :p

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I bet the gtx560 will be a gf104 with all 384sp's. Like they were speculating as the new 470, however since the 4xx series are phasing out It would make since that the gf104 384sp become the gtx560.

This is stupid. They have no need for a full line up of 5xx cards. They really know how to be fall down stairs retarded.

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This is stupid. They have no need for a full line up of 5xx cards. They really know how to be fall down stairs retarded.

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yeah they used with renaming stuffs ;) They will do it again :ROTF:

It won't be stupid if the cost to produce the cards is cheaper?
Better cards to a lower price and with lower TDP to the end customers....

480 shaders? GTX480 with a few 'tweaks' = GTX570? Amusing to say the least...
I hope the power consumption is finally in control.

^ the 580 is much better, no reason a 1/5th or whatever 580 wouldn't be

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I expect to have a TDP of 225W, clocked at 700Mhz...
It would have even lower temperature than GTX 580.
So we will have GTX 480 performance at lower power consumption and heat.
And may be even higher frecuencys in overclocking...950-970Mhz.
Price i expect to be 369-399$.
Next would be GTX 560, 384SP, based on GF104, at 300$. :)

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you can expect lower overclocking headroom for the entire GTX5xx series.

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Semiconductors are a near-perfect power-to-heat conversion device, so a lot of work goes in to getting as much work done with as little power as necessary. This is compounded by the fact that dynamic power (which does useful work) only represents some of the power used – the rest of the power is wasted as leakage power. In the case of a high-end GPU NVIDIA doesn’t necessarily want to reduce dynamic power usage and have it impact performance, instead they want to go after leakage power. This in turn is compounded by the fact that leaky transistors and high clocks are strange bedfellows, making it difficult to separate the two. The result is that leaky transistors are high-clocking transistors, and vice versa.

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the major complaint for gf100 is the high power consuption and high heat output, this is a direct result of leaking transistors and large channels which also provide the overclocking headroom (think AMD TWKR). becuase nvidia have spent the last year reducing leaking and refining the manufacturing process, we will have cooler more efficint processors that don't overclock as far. it's another trade off that is made clear when comparing AMD and nvidia gpu's, just like die size. :shrug:

as far as the GTX570 is concerned, i'm always happy to see an increase in performance and a reduction in price! :up:

nVidia is not going to realse this to fight it's own GTX580, GTX480 etc. Comparing GTX570 with those cards wil only lead to confusions. This card seams to be preperations to have something to drop on AMD's next move.

The big question is, is this GTX570 meant to drop on 6970? It seams to be the case, but then it means mVidia has some bad news about 6970-performance.

This timing is indicating it's meant to fight 6970, but we have to wait and see.

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460 and down are going to be renamed to fill the void down there (just like with the 2xx series),i hope that they push prices down instead of up when renaming the 460 to 560

570 at 480 speed and a fully equipped GF110 as 560, the current 460 down to 450 and 450 as the new 440 would give nv a decent new lineup (GF110 is too big compared to its current competitior, they really need to release a versiom with all SPs to move it above the 68xx series)

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460 and down are going to be renamed to fill the void down there (just like with the 2xx series),i hope that they push prices down instead of up when renaming the 460 to 560

570 at 480 speed and a fully equipped GF110 as 560, the current 460 down to 450 and 450 as the new 440 would give nv a decent new lineup (GF110 is too big compared to its current competitior, they really need to release a versiom with all SPs to move it above the 68xx series)

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wtf are you talking about?!? :confused:

reminds me of the 2900XT to 3800 transition...

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Originally Posted by blindbox

Most probably, except for GTX460.

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They could "reuse" GF104 to fill the 500-lineup :shrug: Sounds plausible to me.

Hmm say 570 is 700mhz 220w tdp, drop that to 600mhz 150w tdp and make a dualie :D

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They could "reuse" GF104 to fill the 500-lineup :shrug: Sounds plausible to me.

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Most likely:

GF114 aka full GF104 as GTX 560
Current GTX 460 as GTS 500 or 550
And the 768 and further cut down cores as 550 or 450/400

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Most likely:

GF114 aka full GF104 as GTX 560
Current GTX 460 as GTS 500 or 550
And the 768 and further cut down cores as 550 or 450/400

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I agree with you ;)

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Originally Posted by FischOderAal

Maybe a full GF104 as a GTX560 and the GTX460 will be GT540 or something like that.

We have no news about any chip below GF104, do we? NVIDIA has to fill the Geforce 500 lineup with something ;)

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Nvidia is improving cost production and power comsumption in all their 400 series GPU range.

GF 100 -> GF 110 will be the same imprvement as GF104 -> GF 114, changing the 40 nm process to another more efficient and cheap.

In addition to this, nVidia is awaiting that AMD customers take knowledge about the AMD 3D tech fiasco due 3rd party drivers.

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wtf are you talking about?!? :confused:

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LOl i'm still trying to decipher... humm I think he's referring to some kind of spaceship or something of sorts

For a "GTX560", it's really easy. GF104 is an half GF100 with increased SP counts/SM ( 48vs32), and there's 8 TU by SM vs 4 for the GF100..
( GF104 have too 1 SM disable )
Take the GF110 refresh and do a GF114 the same way is made the GF104.. (48SP/SM ) ...

Question remain what can be the performance of this one vs an overlclocked GTX460 1gb... there's a ton of models around who are ultra overclocked version... If they put 775-800mhz on base models,
i m not sure it will really shine vs a gigaybte GTX460 SOC ( stock 815mhz )..

Then how much can be the gain with less SP counts on a GTX560 versions. The optimisation of the architecture give only 5% more perfs on the GTX580, 10% is the clock core/memory speed. ( outside heat and TDP ofc )
( I take this numbers on Alien, and Nvnews review who i believe have take it on the Nvidia slides. )

I know they will ofc replace actual GTX4xx... but i think reviews will look funny if they test the GTX460,560,470,570,480,580 in the same reviews specially with Overclocked GTX4xx version

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Will NVIDIA fade out 400 series soon?

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nVidia is not going to realse this to fight it's own GTX580, GTX480 etc. Comparing GTX570 with those cards wil only lead to confusions. This card seams to be preperations to have something to drop on AMD's next move.

The big question is, is this GTX570 meant to drop on 6970? It seams to be the case, but then it means mVidia has some bad news about 6970-performance.

This timing is indicating it's meant to fight 6970, but we have to wait and see.

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Nothing to do with AMDs products. Bringing the 570 means eol 470 and 480 and a respective 100$ markup on both new cards.

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Nothing to do with AMDs products. Bringing the 570 means eol 470 and 480 and a respective 100$ markup on both new cards.

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and they're going to use what to compete with 6870?

460 is the coolest best price : performance card out right now, I don't see how Nvidia would put out both a 560 and 565 what would be the point in that I think I'm missing something

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and they're going to use what to compete with 6870?

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That is not my point.
My point is the gtx570 will be almost identical to the gtx480 meaning the only reason it is being re-released is to reposition it as a 350-400$ segment and to eol the 480 series. Now the 480 is the new 570 at 400$ and the 580 is at 500$. A decent mark up from the 400 series. Nvidia didnt have to move a finger to compete with the 6950 as the gtx480 was just fine for that, but as a 570 they can cash in the 500 series brand value.

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That is not my point.
My point is the gtx570 will be almost identical to the gtx480 meaning the only reason it is being re-released is to reposition it as a 350-400$ segment and to eol the 480 series. Now the 480 is the new 570 at 400$ and the 580 is at 500$. A decent mark up from the 400 series. Nvidia didnt have to move a finger to compete with the 6950 as the gtx480 was just fine for that, but as a 570 they can cash in the 500 series brand value.

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Bringing the 570 means eol 470

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That is not my point.
My point is the gtx570 will be almost identical to the gtx480 meaning the only reason it is being re-released is to reposition it as a 350-400$ segment and to eol the 480 series. Now the 480 is the new 570 at 400$ and the 580 is at 500$. A decent mark up from the 400 series. Nvidia didnt have to move a finger to compete with the 6950 as the gtx480 was just fine for that, but as a 570 they can cash in the 500 series brand value.

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What are they going to use to compete at the $400-$200 price point? Thats a pretty big gap that AMD is doing a really good job filling.

My point is that I don't think that 570 will do anything to 470. You are comparing cards for two different segments. They need a replacement in that segment if/when 470 goes eol.

Most of their money is not made on these ultra enthusiast (expensive) cards.

sure I think they should release a gtx 560 for that segment as well. it will come.

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sure I think they should release a gtx 560 for that segment as well. it will come.

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and leave what is probably a more important segment unfilled in the meantime?

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460 is the coolest best price : performance card out right now, I don't see how Nvidia would put out both a 560 and 565 what would be the point in that I think I'm missing something

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Because HD6850 holds that title(with ease). Cheaper, a bit faster, very similar in OC, better multigpu performance(the best scaling out there, 82-85%~)way less power consumption (hd6850 127w furmark, less in typical gaming vs 460 160w typical gaming or 190w in furmark).

http://www.bit-tech.net/blog/2010/11...p-mean-nvidia/

460 got replaced in bang for buck but not by another nvidia card...