Is someone going to make HD68xx & HD69xx fullcover blocks? EK!? :)
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Is someone going to make HD68xx & HD69xx fullcover blocks? EK!? :)
Guess the next question is if the current 5800 series blocks are gonna fit the new cards or not????
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Originally Posted by screwtech02
I guess not
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/H...ages/front.jpg
Not 58xx and 68xx are VERY different. VRMs are in the other end ...
not really sure why you ask, its pretty much a given. I'm sure the usual suspects will have blocks out for the standard layout within a timely manner.
if my eyes don't lie - there is no digital VRM (volteras) and it (VRMs) should be much cooler!!!
Jokester_wild
postcount - neibour of the beast :)
and here is 6870
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/H...ages/front.jpg
Aren't you guys tired of buying full covered blocks? they look cool sure but the only last one generation and that's it, eddy said he was going to make adapters for the VGA supreme, still waiting.
Yes but most video cards can last a year or two so its worth the investment, There's no garrenty that your chip only block will work on new card.
If your upgrading video cards more then once a year you've got money to burn anyway.
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Agreed, I would say the majority of people water cooling are doing it because its their hobby and one facet of any hobby is upgrading equipment. imo, it would not be as much fun building a new system if you kept recycling parts over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagisD
+1 guyz.
WCing is ally an hobby for me. Im currently using MCW80 but its mostly cause there is no full cover block for my 2 GTX460s and my MCW30 was a test on the GTS450 that have been proved to work ! !
If my next cards are High end, fullcover its gona be !
Fullcover block price aside, why would anyone want to replace 58XX with 68XX?
If anything, it's a like for like or even a downgrade
It's not like they overclock to 1.5 Ghz
We are already working on a block. It will be compatible to both cards (6870 and 6850). I think it will be ready within the next week.
Shoggy: Compatibility with both cards = very good news. Will block be inner structure wise similar to 480's block? (trying to guesstimate possible performance from 480 block roundup)
Interesting to see how ati's 6990 will turn out. 6850/6870 are just more energy efficient 5850/5870 gpus/gtx460 competitors. Though middle end gpus make up majority of market, it's top gpu-s that make us drool :)
what, go look at the 6870. Its performance is right around 470/5870. So if you have anything below that (5850, GTX 460) The price alone would be worth while.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobruto
How would it? You can't sell your old 460 (or my 10-months old 5850) for what it cost back then or even the price of a new 6870Quote:
Originally Posted by Jokester_wild
lol you seriously think you cant sell either of those ? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by bobruto
you do realize that most people are not into computer gear at all. They have no idea that a 68xx series just got released and they don't care. Just look at ebay to see how jacked the prices are on old hardware and people still pay it :up:
Good for you then, I can't sell on ebay and my options are more limited ;)
I'm ordering 2 6870's soon and going water on both. Just waiting for a full cover block to come out.
Yes, will have the same internal structure. Development has finished a few minutes ago :DQuote:
Originally Posted by churchy
This, I'm not switching my HD5870 for a HD6xxx. It works still just fine. Maybe in another year once we get HD7xxx :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MagisD
The current offerings are middle range and below a 5870 anyway.
Personally I'm dumping ati.I'm sick of trying to make there features actually work. Just waiting for the 580 :-)
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You're late, AMD already dumped ATIQuote:
Originally Posted by MagisD
ATI brand, that is :)
That's funny, because I am just the opposite, I am dunping my GTX470's and going to two HD6870's. They perform better in CF than the HD5970 and is only slightly behind the HD5870. Granted, this is more of a sidegrade than an upgrade, but like you, only for Nvidia, I am tired of stuff like Nvidia Surround not working properly at all or needing some sort of hack to get it to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagisD
Now, back on topic, I doubt I will do another FC block again. While I like them, I don't keep them long enough to get the value out of them. I think I will stick with my Koolance GPU-220's this round. Plus, it's hard to justify a block that costs almost half of the price of the card itself.
Elpy: nobody suggests you to downgrade from 5870 to 6870, but those cards are nevertheless good choice performancy/price wise for cost aware customers that had something much older/slower and plan to upgrade right now. And they caused big immediate price drop on 460 aswell :). Also almost at same time apeared news about possible gtx512 release. Competition = good. :)
does anyone know if the MCW60 block would be able to fit the new HD68XX series?
I am waiting for 6970 fullcover block :up:
you could try......look at the mounting holes or ask someone to help you measure the mounting holesQuote:
Originally Posted by adamwzl
AFAIK the MCW30 fits on the GTS 450 LMAO
I believe it might, as ATI really hasnt changed in the past few generations now. My main concern is the ram cooling, and I just want that full heatsink from swiftech.
WaterFlex: for 6970? Not 6990? :)
I buy full coverage blocks for my vga cards. Actually last round I bought 3 of them :eek:
This time I just bought a single 5850 with the block for it, I bought it really early at launch, and I see no reason I cant keep it for another year or maybe 2, depending on my habbit patters and budget.
The full coverage blocks look amazing, and do a more complete job of cooling the card (so you don't need too much airflow), so they help build a quieter rig.
and I just love seeing the water path ;)
I love full coverage blocks. But I also dont want to drop an additional $250 when I just purchased the cards. I've been using my MCW60's since 8800gtx days and now I've been running xfire 4870's since they came out.
Thinking about upgrading to the new 6870's in xfire as well. Just hoping for the Full coverage heatsink to out be out soon.
. . .even though you can't actually see the water move. :p: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by vinister
That's why i want mlwood to come up with a multicolor liquid so i can see it move and swirl. Id take having to do heavy mantanice and worst temps for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
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Maybe he puts rubber ducks there for just that purposeQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
*eek* the layout of these cards reminds me of the complicated design of the 460! Took so long for manufacturers to come out for blocks for them, but even then, it was hard to sell the blocks.
Just for 6970 :cool: 6990 is too inscrutable for me :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
That would be extremely hard to make :) They will either mix and form a new color or they wont mix and one of the 2 colors will stay in your reservoir.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagisD
Although... if you're not using a reservoir or a very small one the liquid with the lower density will get sucked in everytime. Cool idea!
First photos from aquagratix HD6800. It is compatible to the HD6870 and HD6850 cards. The final variant will look slightly different.
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-...x_hd68x0_1.jpg
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-...x_hd68x0_2.jpg
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-...x_hd68x0_3.jpg
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-...x_hd68x0_4.jpg
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-...x_hd68x0_5.jpg
mmm smexy, thank you very much shoggy.
If you dont mind could we get a estimate on the price scheme?
Hmm, aesthetics/looks-wise i liked shape of gtx480 blocks more.
@adamwzl: I guess somewhere around 65 EUR (w/o VAT).
@churchy: as said it will be a bit different in the final variant - especially on the left side. The oval holes are a bit strange but there is another free soldering space for capacitors so we just want to make sure that also a fully equipped card is compatible.
Shoggy: it's only look wise, otherwise imho this design is better for simple reason - to me it seems like this shape is smaller / less copper needed to manufacture it = block gonna be cheaper. For middle&low end card waterblocks getting price down imho should be the main priority, to not make full cover too expensive relative to (cheap) card price. Even effectiveness doesn't matter much, as middle&low end cards are much cooler heat dissipation wise.
I am really not a fan of copper colour, but the design of it looks fantastic IMO.
lowfat
AFAIR there is custom nicelplated versions of Aqua Computer blocks.
Hey Shoggy, are you guys waiting on the final design to see what the 6970 looks like? Or, is that going to be a separate block/series?
We won't wait since we want to sell that block now ;)
A nickel plated variant will be available too but that takes a few days longer.
Here's our EK FB 6870 full-cover prototype in action. Some minor flaws on the delrin lid on this prototype which are already handled. Temperatures are what matters the most. Twater = 31.5°C
http://file.si/pfiles/125355/DSC_0204.JPG
http://file.si/pfiles/125356/DSC_0205.JPG
http://file.si/pfiles/125357/DSC_0207.JPG
http://file.si/pfiles/125358/DSC_0208.JPG
1h+ torture test:
http://file.si/pfiles/125360/hd6870f..._1000-1150.jpg
Best OC regards,
N. :up:
On this budget card I would say cost is first, then temps, but it's a nice looking card too, just like the AC block. Any idea when these will hit retailers?
Looks like EK blocks covers more chips that need cooling.
the new layout sure dosnt look WC friendly. i guess they decided it was best to have VRM near the front for better air cooling temps. and it might be why on caymen they put them in the back again since they wanted better WC support.
When are you guys gonna start putting water channels over the vrms?
I doubt you would need it on the HD68xx series, they just don't get that hot. The HD69xx series might be different though.
Possibly, but they seem to be neglected on most cards, if needed or not. I mean we pay enough for the blocks already, might as well do it right and not worry if it is good enough without or not. Be proactive, not reactive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
I guess this will be more of an issue on the higher end cards like you said. Then people will be complaining of vrm temps, and it will be too bad.. we already designed the blocks. Then it becomes a search for who actually impliments vrm cooling into their blocks. I'm just speaking from experience from my 5970 blocks. Which really lacked good vrm cooling, water near the vrms isn't the same as adding channels to actually take heat away from them.
Manicdan: i'm guessing that even with most widely relative share-wise liquid cooled gpus it's at least 100 common air cooled cards for 1 liquid cooled. And probably it's way too optimistic for even most liquid cooled cards. So i doubt in reality of statement that some of PCBs are somewhat intentionally LC optimised. If some PCB is easier to design blocks for .. it has happened by chance not intention. This hobby is almost unnoticeably narrow niche in big picture of PC market. For each Ferrari how many Toyotas get sold?
well the idea of moving the fets to the front of the card so they get the last of the air, instead of the first, is a great move for exhaust based air cooling. and sofar the caymen pictures look to be using the old style of having them in the back. maybe so they are directly compatible with older heatsinks, or because thats where the power comes in and its more effecient, or because they dont expect to use exhaust only cooling for alot of aftermarket stuff (air or water) and so it dosnt need to be up frontQuote:
Originally Posted by churchy
i found it odd how quickly they jumped from a good idea back to the classic idea and how it impacts the WC blocks.
Had to order soon :) http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/bl...b36a42014d392c
The HD6870 will get its own block for those who want to cool everything. Of course the already mentioned block is still compatible to the HD6870 and is also working. More to the right are a few parts that get very warm but not critical hot. It will be up to you if you want to spend a few more bucks on the larger block.
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-...x_hd6870_1.jpg
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-...x_hd6870_2.jpg
What's a few more bucks? Are we talking $100 versus $75? Or are we talking $100 versus $90?
EK Has introduced a full cover block for the 6850/70 which is available on their website.
So basically the blocks cost half of what the card costs. Guess I will stick with my GPU only blocks till someone puts out one under $100.
what i want to know is a list of other reference pcbs :| HIS is the only one confirmed on the cooling configurator :| it would be awesome if diamond was one that works, as the stores near me have tons of them. is there any way of finding out without needing a visual check?
Our 6870 block is now available. A block for the 6850 is due 11/29.
This one's a little different-- we're using acetal for the top. Otherwise, nickel-plated copper and microfins over the GPU.
Tim
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...d-ar687_p0.jpg
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...d-ar687_p1.jpg
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...d-ar687_p2.jpg
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...d-ar687_p3.jpg
Really like that block, just wish it wasn't almost half of what I paid for card, but you get what you pay for, so knowing me I will probably get it. When will Koolance start taking paypal?
Yeah, but HW cost won't stop us from making a block if customers want to water cool it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
If you email sales at koolance dot com, they should be able to do a manual Paypal payment request for you.
Tim
Awesome awaiting the 6850 block from koolance. Will be ordering through paypal as well.
Tim,Quote:
Originally Posted by Koolance
Would there be any chance of a Cyber Monday deal on the 6850's debut? :cool:
If so I will be in order for 2 :D
I got this card http://xfxforce.com/en-gb/products/g...es/6870.aspx#1 , do u think it follows the reference and that a EK FC block would fit?
Yes, the EK-FC6870 fits on the XFX card (HD-687A-ZNFC):
http://www.coolingconfigurator.com/s...t?gpu_gpus=325
EDIT: Also the HD-687A-ZNBC fits, it's just an overclocked version of the same physical card:
http://www.coolingconfigurator.com/s...t?gpu_gpus=332
Best OC Regards,
Niko :up:
@Koolance rep. That block looks like it has lots of micro channels.
Do you have any data on flow?
What is a gap of channel?
@Koolance,
Just sent the sales department an email about paypal payment. They told me they can not do so.
mmmmm how come everyone but nvidia are getting nice blocks?
did i pick the wrong time to go nvidia with my 580GTX?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
Norris u now finally feel this pain bro?
How about dropping EQ which sometimes cost more then your overall hardware. :P
Don't get me wrong, but I just hate it when the block costs almost as much as the item. One reason I didn't do BP on the Classified was because the blocks cost over half of what the board cost. That's hard to justify.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
IŽll have my EK fullcover nickel coming next week and my new TJ07 case.
i just ordered 2 coolance 6850 f/c blocks, should be installing into my storm sniper sometime next week or the week after. :D
Hot damn! That looks fantastic. Likely the best full cover block I've seen to date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koolance
No flow data yet, but we're using the same 0.5mm fins/channels used in our GTX 580, 480, 470, 460, and Radeon HD 5870 (type "2") FC blocks. The path on this is more straightforward and there's no VRM fins, so it's probably a little less restrictive than those other models.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tackleberry
I'll find out what's going on with our sales dept. They'll email you back.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamwzl
Well, thanks! Our GTX 580 block is also acetal. For future models, we're trying to decide between the separate metal plate on the 6850/6870 blocks for our logo, or just printing it onto the acetal directly like our GTX 580 block.Quote:
Originally Posted by lowfat
Tim
We were able to settle the problem. I was able to order the blocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koolance
Thanks for checking up on it.
EK-FC6870 Backplate prototype testing done. They should be available in the upcoming days! :up:
http://file.si/pfiles/137643/DSC_0369.JPG
http://file.si/pfiles/137644/DSC_0370.JPG
Best Regards,
Niko
Maybe 5870/5850 full block can use on 6970/6950? To me they are almost identical.
http://translate.google.com/translat...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8
No, it can't, the position of the mounting holes is slightly different, also the PWM is changed.
EK-FC6970 waterblock undergoing testing. Sadly I have fried the HD6970 card and I'm forced to test with HD6950. Quite a nice card though, fast as hell.
My first impressions are that the card is running a tad 'hotter' than HD5800 series - or at least sensors show it that way. Also the idle temperatures are higher than the HD5800 both with water block and the stock cooler.
System specs:
- Intel Ci7 950 @ 4GHz, 1.4Vcore
- Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7 rev2.0
- 3x2GB Exceleram Red Culvert (E30104A) DDR3-1600
- Corsair TX650W PSU
Cooling:
- CPU: EK-CPU Supreme LT
- MB: EK-FB KIT GA X58A (UD7 rev2.0) prototype
- GPU: EK-FC6970 prototype
- EK Coolstream XT 360 + 3x Yate Loons @ 1350rpm
- Swiftech D5 + EK X-TOP D5
- 12mm ID clearflex tubing
- coolant temp: 37.4 - 37.5°C - measured with Greisinger GMH-3230 J-type thermometer
http://file.si/pfiles/138069/DSC_0383.JPG
http://file.si/pfiles/138070/DSC_0386.JPG
http://file.si/pfiles/138071/DSC_0387.JPG
Default 800/1250MHz, with stock voltage 1000/1350MHz was no sweat for Furmark. Needs a bit more volts though :up:
http://file.si/pfiles/138072/hd6950_..._1000-1350.jpg
Best Regards,
Niko
nice, likely to go coverblock water for my 6950 crossfire setup.
tiborrr
wow. That is awesome!
Another 3DMark Vantage with HD6950 @ 1010/1400MHz, easily! :P
http://file.si/pfiles/138073/3dmv_22...-1400_4000.jpg
nice how about 3dmark11?
and what about VRM temps?
@flopper: I'm having issues installing .NET framework 4.0 :)
@Vetalar: Don't know, I believe the VRM temperature just might be the GPU temp #3 in the GPU-Z window.
Best Regards,
Niko :up:
When will the 69XX be available vendors? I'm looking at putting 2 under water now.
The cards are being readily available since 14th of December while the EK-FC6970 waterblock should start selling in a week or two.
FC6970 backplate tested and it's off to production phase! :up:
http://file.si/pfiles/139267/DSC_0392.JPG
http://file.si/pfiles/139268/DSC_0393.JPG
http://file.si/pfiles/139269/DSC_0394.JPG
paper towel under the fullcover block scares me a bit :) but backplate looks nice. is there mate black version?
Vetelar: It is just to support the weight of the card as Cooler Master bench table does not have PCI bracket holder :D Yes, there will be two versions - nickel plated and black painted.
Will the EK block come with screws to support the stock back plate that comes with 6970?
PS: My 6970 is in pain, water loop all around it and still on air cooling, i can hear it screaming that its to hot! :D
No pics are available yet, but our VID-AR697 (Radeon HD 6970/6950) FC block should arrive on Monday, 12/27. I would expect a similar style to our 6870 & 6850 blocks.
Tim
Yes! :yepp::up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt.McRuff
Hi Guys,
I am in the process of testing our new HD6970 cooling solution; I looked for O/C utilities but found none so far that work. It's either my OS (Win7 64) or the Beta AMD driver I am using, I am not sure at this point; I tried TriXX (cannot connect to low level driver), ATI Tool (does not recognize the card at all), MSI Afterburner (only allows max stock OC of 950); my contact at AMD is unavailable today. If anyone knows of a utility that works beyond 950, let me know, I'd appreciate it.
I will also try to come up with some CrossFire test results later on this week since I have two cards. Meanwhile, here is some basic info/features on the cooling solution:
True full cover (entire card is dressed)
0.6x0.6mm pin matric GPU cooling
Liquid cooled VRM's with hard contact to block for perfect TIM
Compatible with large compression fittings
Compatible with stock back-plate
Release date Mid January.
Gabe, try editing CFG file of the Afterburner exective.
ATI's registers:
EnableUnofficialOverlocking -> set value to 1
That's an interesting feature. More info on upgradable part would be nice,Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Thanks, I had forgotten about this; I will give it a try!Quote:
Originally Posted by tiborrr