Mayhem Biocide VS PT NUKE VS Silver Coil

alright, i know eveyone using PT NUKE, and i am planning to use only distilled water and Biocide .. now i cant get a hold of PT NUKE here in australia, and paying for another shipping from petra comparied to its price .. well !! i dont think so

question !! would Meyhem Biocide do the job just like PT NUKE and Silver coil ?

here is a link to performance-pcs

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=28833


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http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...C-30177_01.jpg

thanks for any feedback and suggestions

J

Why not just use silver? :) - http://www.thekoolroom.com/index.php...product_id=141

yes, its copper based and will kill/prevent crap from living in your loop

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Originally Posted by CrazyNutz

yes, its copper based and will kill/prevent crap from living in your loop

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sorry CrazyNutz your are talking about Mayhem Biocide or you are talking about the silver coil replying to dingdong555 ??

I'd just recommend a silver coil as well. No chemicals, and easy to find/make.

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Originally Posted by dingdong555

Why not just use silver? :) - http://www.thekoolroom.com/index.php...product_id=141

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Hey they are located here in australia and they accept Paypal, not too bad, have you purchased anything from them ? is the silver coil in the link better to use than the Mayhem and the PT Nuke ?? cause i wanna order that now

cheers

J

PTnuke is copper sulfate, I suspect this is the same thing. Go for it, should work the same.

so how about adding the silver coil in the res and one drop of biocide ? wouldnt be more safe ? or that would be too much ?

I'd go for silver. I bet this stuff is copper sulfate based though, so it would basically be PT_Nuke.

The Mayhem stuff should work fine. You can even use a Copper Sulfate based biocide that you can find in pet stores for aquariums ... use whatever is easiest for you to get a hold of.

thanks for sharing ideas guys ... very much appreciated

Mayhems PT Nuke is the same I think. Same question on another forum, maybe same OP???

Just not as trusted as Petras. Maybe a patent ran out dunno.

I say it's okay, wondering if it's as clean and as perfect as the perfect Petra. I KNOW his product is good.

Like to hear Petra chime in.

yeah petras PTNuke ftw. i only run distilled and petras, no issues :)

+1 for PT_nuke and distilled.

so i guess there is no need to spend more money buying silver coil :) ... i'll just use the distilled water and Mayhem Biocide that i ordered already. :up:

Evening (sorry bissy day) this is the same as PT nuke in the sense it contains the same base products. This is how ever a little stronger. PT nuke has a Fully built brand name and followers how ever there is no base difference :).

The Biocide we have created is a copper sulphate based product so will kill any thing in the system.

You can even use at a total Nuke solution by adding more then 3+ drops into 1 ltr of liquid (use only this way when flushing a system not for long term use) as it will murder any thing in there with a Thor hammer. How ever for normal daily / monthly use we recommend no more than 1 drop per 1ltr every 3 to 6 months.

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Features

* Kills green water
* Kills blue-green algae
* Removes slime
* Removes scum
* Kills mould spores
* highly effective in preventing bio-film build up

Kills the following

* legionella pneumophilea
* pseudomonas aeruginosa
* staphylococcus
* micrococcus luteus
* stretococcus agalaclae
* escherichia coil

Do not use near RRR admin as it will wipe them out to ......

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Hope this helps

Mick

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Originally Posted by mlwood37

Evening (sorry bissy day) this is the same as PT nuke in the sense it contains the same base products. This is how ever a little stronger. PT nuke has a Fully built brand name and followers how ever there is no base difference :).

The Biocide we have created is a copper sulphate based product so will kill any thing in the system.

You can even use at a total Nuke solution by adding more then 3+ drops into 1 ltr of liquid (use only this way when flushing a system not for long term use) as it will murder any thing in there with a Thor hammer. How ever for normal daily / monthly use we recommend no more than 1 drop per 1ltr every 3 to 6 months.

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First off, people seem to forget that there are two variants of Nuke: Nuke -Cu (copper sulfate) and Nuke -PHN (benzalkonium chloride). Marketing things as "stronger" seems a bit silly to me since you can just add more to reach the same copper sulfate concentration (after all, there's a store that I'm no longer involved with (and that actually owns the biocides I developed now) which offers 10mL bottles of Nuke -Cu for less than PPC's is asking for 5mL of your stuff)... however, I can't really see recommending running anything higher than 1-1.5ppm CuSO4. On that note, I'd suggest asking your resellers to list the active ingredient and its concentration for safety reasons--it's a detail that I worked into the Nuke labeling templates quite a while ago and it makes giving info to poison control in the US much faster should anything unfortunate happen... and that's kinda important from my point of view.

OP: Just buy whatever you can get your hands on... be it silver wire, Nuke -Cu, the Mayhem biocide, Nuke -PHN, or an aquarium biocide containing copper sulfate as the active ingredient--they'll all work fine. Heck, you could even get away with using some non-alcohol iodine as a biocide.

*ninja edit* There are types of algae that are immune to copper sulfate (though, they're not particularly common, as I recall) and it's worth pointing out that these biocides will kill and prevent the growth of organisms in the cooling system, but they won't do anything about built-up biomass.

*Not-so-ninja edit* For completeness, because I still get people asking about Nuke -PHN and Nuke -Cu, here's something I posted in OCN as to why Nuke -PHN exists:

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Nuke -PHN was developed as a biocidal additive for a concentrated coolant mix that I was working on a few years ago because I found Nuke -Cu to be inappropriate for the solution (basically, the natural acidity of the copper sulfate was just enough to drop the pH of the final coolant outside of the effective range of the corrosion inhibitors I was using in the weakly buffered solution). For various reasons, I never ended up bringing the coolant concentrate to market but I realized that the Nuke -PHN would make for a good stand-alone biocide in systems where pH was a concern (e.g. systems running straight distilled water, mixed-metal systems running poorly buffered coolants with sensitive anti-corrosive packages, etc.).

I typically don't recommend mixing Nuke -PHN with pre-mixed coolants due to how easily the benzalkonium chloride can be neutralized (even hard water salts can reduce its effectiveness). With the active biocidal ingredient in Nuke -Cu being a heavy metal salt, on the other hand, it's far less touchy in that regard.

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thks for your advise and ill do that .:). as for pricing i dont control who sells what at what price this is down the the individual re seller . we dont have a RRP.

Mick

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Originally Posted by mlwood37

thks for your advise and ill do that .:).

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No problem--I don't have a financial interest in this anymore, so I figure I should take the "help everybody" approach from here on out. :) I just can't disclose things like the full formula and mixing procedure for the biocides, for example, since they're now Gary's.

Granted, as I've mentioned to Dave, that "help everybody" approach really doesn't solve my "unemployed" status... :rolleyes: :rofl:

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as for pricing i dont control who sells what at what price this is down the the individual re seller . we dont have a RRP.

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Ah, okay. Nothing wrong with that--I'm just a bit of a control freak, so I set MSRPs (RRP) for everything that I sold to other resellers (they still had some leeway but I woldn't have thought twice about pulling the plug, so to speak, if things got out of hand).

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Originally Posted by Petra

No problem--I don't have a financial interest in this anymore, so I figure I should take the "help everybody" approach from here on out. :) I just can't disclose things like the full formula and mixing procedure for the biocides, for example, since they're now Gary's.

Granted, as I've mentioned to Dave, that "help everybody" approach really doesn't solve my "unemployed" status... :rolleyes: :rofl:


Ah, okay. Nothing wrong with that--I'm just a bit of a control freak, so I set MSRPs (RRP) for everything that I sold to other resellers (they still had some leeway but I woldn't have thought twice about pulling the plug, so to speak, if things got out of hand).

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mate if i could employ you i would but in-between being a accountant , product development , seller, buyer and tea boy i cannot even afford to pay my self lol.

This businesses may look big from the out side to ever one but on the inside its a struggle to brake in and to make any money because the market is so small. How ever if big company's rest on the morals smaller ones can come in and fill the gap ;) ...

The only thing i have done is im limiting the amount of company's i sell to because there is no way im going to flood the market as in the long term not only does this effect the retailers but it will hit our self in the end. Just because every retailer holds a brand doesn't means it the better brand to me it just means the company that is making the stuff is getting desperate. to much stock of any thing is bad in the long term cos no one can see into the future.

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Originally Posted by mlwood37

This businesses may look big from the out side to ever one but on the inside its a struggle to brake in and to make any money because the market is so small.

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So true...

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to much stock of any thing is bad in the long term cos no one can see into the future.

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This reminds me of the opportunity cost hell that FC waterblocks represent... lol

Petra: Hmm, initial designs, maybe. But later on isn't it more of taking measurements of new gpu PCBs and customising old designs to fit and then sending to some CNC mill? When it's 5th-10th FC block in the row, imho workflow can be partially built upon initial work/initial design decisions/initial debugging of design/initial choices/initial standart templates. People can get used to even to difficult work and raise productivity/development speed if it's not never done before task.

I think it was more of moving stock of a fc wb. Depending on favor of the month MB's and selling products that only work with that revision of that mb can leave somebody hanging when the next best MB comes out.

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Petra: Hmm, initial designs, maybe. But later on isn't it more of taking measurements of new gpu PCBs and customising old designs to fit and then sending to some CNC mill? When it's 5th-10th FC block in the row, imho workflow can be partially built upon initial work/initial design decisions/initial debugging of design/initial choices/initial standart templates. People can get used to even to difficult work and raise productivity/development speed if it's not never done before task.

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As MagisD pointed out, I was referring to opportunity cost from a reseller's standpoint and not a production standpoint.

I appreciate the feedback from both petra & mayhem thanks for the detaild explanation :) as a new guy to water cooling you both helped me understand how the biocide work in the system.

Also thanks for the other guys who helped earlier
Regards
J

Running a biocide ( Cu ) along side with a silver coil, in a distilled loop wouldn't have any negative harms, would it? Apart from 99.999-% of bacteria's gone right?

you dont need both to be honest one or the other is enough. there is such thing as over kill lol.

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you dont need both to be honest one or the other is enough. there is such thing as over kill lol.

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Well I already got them :P an extra 10$ didn't really hurt, considering how much my loop was already. So theres no harm in running them like so?

No there is no harm running them both but once the silver kicks in you wont need the biocide.

Add the silver then 1 drop of biocide that all you will need. once the biocide has done its job the silver will carry on working.

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Originally Posted by mlwood37

Do not use near RRR admin as it will wipe them out to ......

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Why do I always find someone that keeps stokin' the fire.

Ours is a small community and this does not sound professional from a business owner.

I take it from the naming thread of his fluid that mayhem has some lets say personal experince with them.


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Joel GUIDRY (joelguidry@msn.com) aka scum bag owner of RRR who thinks he's clever when in fact he's nothing but a self opinionated freak who thinks he's some sort of god when in fact he's a low life germ.

Just because i run a business doesn't mean I have to put up with some small minded idiot who doesn't under stand there is such things as costumes. Then when I said I would give him a refund because his goods didn't turn up, but couldn't do it immediately !!! like he demanded, he then called me a rip off artist when in fact all he had to do was wait a few days till my pc was set up in my new home. He would have found it hard to open the bottles any way as they have child safety caps fitted.

So his "formites" then boost his ego and jump on the band wagon like the lost sheep they are join in ripping me a new one and when I tried to respond of which he banned me (and deleted my post) because obversely he doesn't like the truth as it may make him look bad ... Hmm you wonder why :) ...

Oh and if you dont like it then tough luck because RRR is not a technology web site but a self boasting egotistical maniac web site.

Every one in the business knows it just no one ever says it .. but i am not every one :) ..

My point was that running a business requires a thick skin because there will be good and bad customers. A successful business ultimately is defined by customer service where "the customer is always right" no matter the situation and requires pride to be swallowed at certain times.

Ok I take it you never worked full service sales.

Sometimes you have to fire customers because the just not worth it...

I wasn't around when everything happened but I went looking at all the different wc fourms and if collectively there's a bigger bunch of asshats then RRR. I haven't seen it.

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BrokenArrow: problem is that it's not just pride that should be swallowed, but financial losses sometimes aswell. If someone operates at small scale it can sometimes be overly expensive to give by the book customer service of successful business with "customer always right" as some bad sheeps among customers can cost a lot for small business.

I use a few drops of sodium hypochlorite (bleach). Very cheap, relatively non-toxic to humans at that low of a concentration, and very effective, and did I mention cheap.

Bleech is not the best thing to put in a water cooling system mate. it erodes seals.

As for taking bad customers i dont mind. Out right lying ass holes i dont like.

Oh and i do support my customer and None customer 100% and all ways will do. :)

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My point was that running a business requires a thick skin because there will be good and bad customers.

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This is a good point but, really, it's okay to take things personally just so long as nobody knows/realizes it--you learn to control it... so that you only scream obscenities at the phone after the conversation has ended and you've hung up. :p: ;)

Generally, however, it is a good idea to avoid publicly alienating potential customers.

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A successful business ultimately is defined by customer service where "the customer is always right" no matter the situation

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In my eyes this idea is and always has been of load of BS and likely acts to enable a lot of dishonest people. :down:

To me, the hallmark of good customer service is the ability to calmly reason with people, even the irrationally irate, and find an agreeable middle-of-the-road solution for whatever the problem happens to be. Nobody is right by default. Obviously, if you, as the seller, made a mistake, then you need to figure out what it was, accept it, determine how to avoid it in the future, and do your best to make amends. The positive reputation that can be built through this hands-on and rather personal approach can go a long way toward mitigating any damage caused by the occasional nut who's out to burn you.

well at least there is one thing for sure . you know im human ;) ...(runs off to go play with his new water water purification system). 0TDS here we come !!!!!