FlanK3rs next chip from AMD-now "only" quad

Hi guys, next days i must test my next CPU. So, how do u like PII x4 970 BE? In some review was this CPU very great in OC, better than most x4 955/965 BE...Example look at Guru3D etc. etc.

And this is my chip, sorry for bad quality photos, a trouble with photocamera:down:
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7382/s6302617.jpg

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4734/s6302623.jpg

is it getting wasteful to keep making four different dies ?

thuban 1
deneb 2
propus 3
regor 4

wasting their own money..... :/

You can answer to your question by testing it...:p:

From your experience, what are you expecting to do? Especially with subzero cooling....

Test it,and tell us how it overlclocks,eventually in CPU-NB clock too :)

I'd hit that :D

just we must waiting to weekend :(, now i have not here second board...im hope, this chip hit stable 4.1-4.15 GHz, its my tip :).

looks forward for your OC.. it must oc better than thuban.. like 4,2-4,3ghz under 1,44v :D

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

is it getting wasteful to keep making four different dies ?

thuban 1
deneb 2
propus 3
regor 4

wasting their own money..... :/

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why? it'd be more waste giving away free cores :p:

tomasis: hehe, maybe only for validation it will better than 4.2 Ghz with this voltage :), but promise, il try to find nicely maximum validation ,-)

Move ya ass and test that chip,stop wasting any precious time and tell us what that 970 can do :D

want, by i have not here second board...whats new, i found bent pins in first line :-/...So, tomorow evening il have work :-)...

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

is it getting wasteful to keep making four different dies ?

thuban 1
deneb 2
propus 3
regor 4

wasting their own money..... :/

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Propus maybe.
Regor/Deneb no.
Bigger dies cost bigger money, and with processes getting better yeilds, it's most likely much more wasteful to make 555/560BE's than Athlon II 260's.


Guru of 3D got 4200 Mhz with 1.53v @ 60c load. :)

yes and not only Guru :), example Pureoverclock booting to windows at 4400 MHz with x4 970 !

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

yes and not only Guru :), example Pureoverclock booting to windows at 4400 MHz with x4 970 !

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Compare that to my 965: 4400 Mhz will run SuperPi @ 1.62v under 20c CPU temp :p:

I can't boot windows over 4150, so that's quite an accomplishment.

Waiting LN2 results. :)

beep: i cant boot with my x4 965 more than 4050 MHz :D...

G80:later maybe yes, but now not, first i must to buy some LN2 pot (looks at F1...)

btw, whats is the best methody for straightening pins?

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

beep: i cant boot with my x4 965 more than 4050 MHz :D...

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you have a crosshairs and you cant get any higher than 4GHz? man I have a 965 with a crap msi 890gxm-g65 and I can roll 4.4GHz easy... I must have a happy little chip :D

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

btw, whats is the best methody for straightening pins?

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mechanical pencils and credit cards.

I'm interested FlanK3r. Looking forward to some new hardware results.:yepp:

Oldtimer: benching is planned at weekend, we set with one friend custom water cooling and will se how is it good :)

Mechanical pencils are the best for bent pins. I must have fixed a boat load over the years..

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

beep: i cant boot with my x4 965 more than 4050 MHz :D...

G80:later maybe yes, but now not, first i must to buy some LN2 pot (looks at F1...)

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How can your CPU do 3950 stable @ 1.44v and not boot at 4050...

My CPU does 4040 stable with 1.6v and will boot at 4140 :down:

for bent pins i like using a razor blade along the entire row of pins and straightening them all at the same time,, :shrug: worked for me on many occasions

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Originally Posted by crazydiamond

for bent pins i like using a razor blade along the entire row of pins and straightening them all at the same time,, :shrug: worked for me on many occasions

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credit card is safer, and the exact same size

Flankerp, please check out a few things for me about this chip !
1. VID in core temp. @ default
2. Temp. @ default setting on air cooling
3. Take a picture of the CPU Pin

Thanks, Bro !:)

Gratz on the new 970 Flank3r... :up:

Can't wait to see your results!

I doubt that it's the case, but it would be really sweet if it was a Thuban with disabled cores.... :D

Be sure to push the IMC a little, if it can do 3Ghz stable that would be golden!

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

beep: i cant boot with my x4 965 more than 4050 MHz :D...

G80:later maybe yes, but now not, first i must to buy some LN2 pot (looks at F1...)

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F1 is not very good for AMD.

Beep: this time 3950 MHz with 1.45V was on begin for 3/4 years, this quality is now in history :-( (and it was in x86 OS)
MAD: ok:), today a photo and at weekend others :)
G80 Im beginner in LN2, il benching not only AMD but too Intels sometimes. Of course, AMD si my lovely winner still :).
Dave Its at 100% Deneb, but hope, good Deneb :-)
Diamont: Today is my day of straight. CPU pins :)

cant wait to see those ln2 numbers ... cpuz screenshot please :D

So, Pins are now OK. I used pencil and card for petrol :-)

Sorry for quality photos, i have not good photocamera (specially for makro :-D )...First before straight.
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5710/s6302625.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/598/s6302630.jpg

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2924/s6302632.th.jpg

and after working. Now i hope after power on will all right

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5223/s6302637.jpg

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/8572/s6302635.jpg

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Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

How can your CPU do 3950 stable @ 1.44v and not boot at 4050...

My CPU does 4040 stable with 1.6v and will boot at 4140 :down:

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I shouldn't have let my 955 C3 goes away.

It was stable at 4100Mhz w/ the TRUE and could boot and bench all the way up to 4300mhz.

nice, my best c3 deneb did 4100mhz stable on air, think my best 3d06 was @ around 4335mhz but with a bit cooler ambients. i still have it, will probably hang on to it until zambezi is in my hands :D

Thx, Flankerp
PCB has been improved for this new deneb
Can't wait to see your testing result !:)

diamond: Neoseeker overcloked 970 BE at 4250 MHz with AIR ! Uff!
4254 MHz in OCCT

as i guessed :up: 4,25ghz though a bit hefty volt like 1,52v (my 955 does 4ghz at 1,44v)

it might be more with golden sample ;)

not so bad anyway :)

1.548 on the 970BE is quite heavy for air cooling, but if you look at power consumption, its around an expected 118W over stock power draw. which puts it around 230W total if we add 125W TDP

the 1075T even though is only at 1.52 pulled in an extra 197W and makes it around 320W total adding in the 125W TDP, which just sounds insane.

when i was overclocking my 1055T, at 1.5-1.55 volts, i dont think the total power draw broke 320W (just cpu load) and idle was around 250W, and my lowest idling is around 180W.
keep in mind all my numbers are from the wall, so drop 20-25% off my numbers for power loss in the PSU and motherboard.
so if i take 180W, assume 20W for cpu idling, and then minus that from 320, basically it means my cpu never pulled in more than 200W, and thats at the same voltage as their test. so i think something is wrong with their 1075T load consumption

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

diamond: Neoseeker overcloked 970 BE at 4250 MHz with AIR ! Uff!
4254 MHz in OCCT

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This is similar result to what I expected. I'm hoping the 970 BE's are consistent better overclockers than the 955/965 BE. How are your results so far Flank3r?

Flawlez: i must waiting at weekend, i have not motherboard and dont changing with my PC 1 number system with Thuban (im too lazy :-D )

wow 4250mhz! that is very impressive for deneb! for compare my c3 which was one of the better clockers got 4100mhz with 1.52v

my tetsing is suspended :(...friend is sick and mobo is by him

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

my tetsing is suspended :(...friend is sick and mobo is by him

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Sorry to hear that FlanK3r, I was looking forward to your results. Hope your friend gets to feeling better soon.

Don't forget to test Cpu-nb freq,hope there are improvements here too over older 965be :)

dont fear, i have it in my head :). SOme chance for benching is tomorow evening (with watter cooling),at 100% behind weekend with CM Hyper 212 and my older board. Now only hope, pins are good straightened.

Is this the unlock able Thuban based version OEMs were supposed to be?

think not, my is definetely Deneb C3

Ok,now its time to post some result :). First we see at default clock in 32-bit and 64-bit benchmarks, later some OC.
This 1028 DPMW is CPU with 1.375V as default.
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/66/defaultv.png


First some Everest benchmarks:
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9...memdefault.png

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/126...st2default.png

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7...st1default.png

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1...st2default.png

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5...st3default.png

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/452/everest4default.png

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6...st5default.png

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/8...st6default.png

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/1...st7default.png

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9...st8default.png

Now its tim for default superpi 1M, first AMD quad under 20s !
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6...mdefault19.png


MaxxPI at 4M
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9...4mdefault4.png

Wprime 32M and 1024M (i like it:D )
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9...alldefault.png

Winrar and 7-zip benchmark, we need compresion too :)
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3...ult2493kbs.png

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2944/7zipdefault.png


Last before some OC testing is rendering in popular Cinebenchs.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4...2bitdefaul.png

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/310...32bitdefau.png

And now what about overcloking? As always, i used classic CM Hyper 212 (board was MA790X-UD4). This CPU was a bit hot against last 965 C3. And big problem with this chip was, unfortunately, uncore:(...Maybe im not lucky at IMC here...reality is clear, i cant boot with 2800 MHz NB!! 2800 MHz for windows booting was not problem for my old x4 955 c2 revision. This chip topped at only about 2650 MHz at NB:(...But from other side, CPU clock was easyli nice against my last 965C3. One problem was temps, so, i must ended stable OC with 1.475V, others volts was crashed PC behind LINX or PRIME (temps was 63 C+). With better air cooling im sure, this chip can 4.1 GHz stable. With 1.475V was maximum at 4060 MHz.

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6...20mhznb147.png

Now some benchmarks with stable OC profile:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8...inxoc4060m.png

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5...maxoclinx3.png

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9...oc4060mhza.png

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2...4060mhz263.png

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/1...4060mhz263.png

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2...nxoc4060mh.png

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2...2bitmaxlin.png

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/619...32bitmaxli.png

Quicktest in 64-bit R11.5 :)
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7...64bit4060m.png


Under 16s superpi 1M (as i said, this chip has really bad NB....)
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2...mhz2743mhz.png

wprime 32M 4200 MHz +
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2...mhz2400mhz.png

1.475V - 4420 MHz idling
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/2...ce4420mhz1.png

1.505V - 4520 MHz
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/828...ce4520mhz1.png

So, later (not today, but this month) il benching 64-bit and more maximum benchmarks at top clocks this chip, think, limit for validation is baout 4550-4580 Mhz, superpi limit at 4400 MHz maybe, 3Dmark about 4200 MHz

nice testing flank3r :)

Thx, Bro !:up:
Now I have an idea of what 970be is all about!;)
Nowadays...it's hard to make selection by batch & number
I'm trying to work out the fastest way to find the good ones

thx. Later coming some better OC benchmarks and at 64-bit (Cinebench 17 000 points etc :) )
This chips isnt bad, CPU clock looks promising, but NB is big debacle :)

Why no DDR3 Flanker? Maybe IMC opens up with it:shrug:

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

btw, whats is the best methody for straightening pins?

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credit card hands down, Had to do that on a friends P4 before never had a problem with it. Might have done it another time too but credit cards always the way to go.

slave: i know, but i sold my GA890FXA-UD5 and i was lazy changing my Thuban in PC case with Crosshair IV, so i used my second system with x4 965 and MA790X-UD4 :)

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Originally Posted by crazydiamond

wow 4250mhz! that is very impressive for deneb! for compare my c3 which was one of the better clockers got 4100mhz with 1.52v

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I have a feeling Deneb got low-k dielectrics just like Thuban, if they are produced on the same line...

i believe that DDR2 is hindering the IMC (my athlon II X3 only achives 2600@ddr2 and 3000@ddr3).

hm, maybe, but i have too x4 965 C3 and C2 955 at the same board and 955 C2 can boot at 2800 MHz and C3 965 at 2950 MHz...There is strange, this x4 970 can not higher than about 2650 MHz only...

DDR2 is definately not hindering the IMC...

My 790X-UD4P will let me hit 3100+ on my 965BE, while my DDR3 boards give up around 3080.

maybe it is bad sample.. still like cpu mhz :P

yes,cpu clock looks good, think, with better temps i can 4100 MHz stable. And this is for Deneb good point.

Little update.
At this weekend i benched a bit my last quad- Phenom x4 970 BE. As always to time i used CM Hyper 212 and have ambients between 20-24 C :)
First i wanted to broken 4500 MHz and hope so for better than my x4 965 BE. Its done :), 4580 MHz with 1.55V :)
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1446787

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5601/4580mhz.th.jpg

Next some 3D Cinebenchs (32 bit and 64-bit)

My x4 965 BE got simillary score, but with more lower ambients!
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5...t4152mh.th.jpg


http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/467...it4071m.th.jpg

wprime 32M a 1024M
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2...2635mhz.th.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6...hz2633m.th.jpg


Superpi 1M/32M and Hexuspi
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2...46mhznb.th.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9...2710mhz.th.jpg

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7...z2685mh.th.jpg

In next stage will benching Aquamark, 3D marks and maybe 4600 MHz validation :).

To be honest i'm not overly impressed by this cpu, like i said in the Cinebench thread. I was expecting more from AMD's top of the line X4 cpu. What's the max stable cpu-nb on this cpu?

Zeus, i think, this chip is not bad, CPU clock is very good for aircooling (about 4090 MHz stable in 32-bit). The bigest problem is NB, what i all do, nothinh more than about 2600 Mhz stable :-/. This chip is the best from all my Denebs at CPU clock, but the whorst with NB clock :)

Maybe not bad but definately not fantastic either i would say. Good cores are pretty useless with a weak cpu-nb imho. Remember my 965 C3? Could easily Prime at over 4.1GHz but getting cpu-nb over 2.7GHz stable was simply impossible.

Considering you're on a 32 bit OS i'm expecting even better clocks but hey, you can't have it all. Fortunately you have a (very) nice 1090 to make up for it. ;)

Currently i'm trying to make 4.3GHz Prime stable on my 1090, i'm pretty close or so it seems. :)

Have fun! :up:

Maybe not bad but definately not fantastic either i would say. Good cores are pretty useless with a weak cpu-nb imho. Remember my 965 C3? Could easily Prime at over 4.1GHz but getting cpu-nb over 2.7GHz stable was simply impossible.

Considering you're on a 32 bit OS i'm expecting even better clocks but hey, you can't have it all. Fortunately you have a (very) nice 1090 to make up for it. ;)

Currently i'm trying to make 4.3GHz Prime stable on my 1090, i'm pretty close or so it seems. :)

Have fun! :up:

only my C2 955 was very good, 3911 MHz stable, 2700 MHz NB, for benching around 3000 MHz NB (means superpi benching). Hell, maybe can i try update BIOS, never seen before newest CPU with very bad NB (hope 2800 MHz, it will must boot :- ( )

my new validation with x4 970 BE and normal ambients, ufff 4600 MHz broked with Deneb :)

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/1495720.png

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1495720


I dont know, how is it possible, but I can firstly with this chip booted at 2800 MHz at NB, of course, it was not stable, but firstly with x4 970 BE I could benchmarking superpi more than 2700 MHz :), for Cinebenchs impossible :(.
And now my best superpi 1M with Deneb core+DDR2, 15.594s ! No tweaked XP windows...
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1...2813nb1.th.png

And here my best DDR2+Deneb superpi 32M
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/5...z2810mh.th.png

Cinebenchs at 4111 and 4118MHz, no impressive score, because NB clock is too low :(....
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9...t4111mh.th.png

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7...it4118m.th.png

my new validation with x4 970 BE and normal ambients, ufff 4600 MHz broked with Deneb :)

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/1495720.png

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1495720


I dont know, how is it possible, but I can firstly with this chip booted at 2800 MHz at NB, of course, it was not stable, but firstly with x4 970 BE I could benchmarking superpi more than 2700 MHz :), for Cinebenchs impossible :(.
And now my best superpi 1M with Deneb core+DDR2, 15.594s ! No tweaked XP windows...
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1...2813nb1.th.png

And here my best DDR2+Deneb superpi 32M
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/5...z2810mh.th.png

Cinebenchs at 4111 and 4118MHz, no impressive score, because NB clock is too low :(....
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9...t4111mh.th.png

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7...it4118m.th.png

it is pretty good! 4,6ghz wow..

i fail with 4,4 ghz with AOD.. crying :)

do you oc with cn&q on? maybe I turn on all thermal throttling and it might give best even for a sec ?

without cnq of course...

Flank3r, what CPU-NB Voltage do u feed this little monster for NB=2600 MHZ ?

I tried everythink from 1.25 up to 1.45V....doesnt helped me for 2800 MHz stable :-/