Project "Simples" TJ07

So I missed the boat on the TJ07 gold rush and am coming to the case after everyone and their dog has done a TJ07 project. :p:

So you may all be sick of them by now but by god its a lovely case. I've had all sorts of cases in the past and do tend to spoil myself every now and then and go high, from old Coolermasters to big ass Lian-Li I've often bought the good stuff and then kept it for quite a while.

Which brings me to this build. Its a rebuild of my trusty old home computer, you know the one that you keep on upgrading, giving it new leases of life without changing the facade too much.

Over the years this one has been a XP1800+, an FX60 workstation, Q6600, Q9650, and i7 920. All with requisite motherboards, go faster stripes and more recently watercooling.

You may have seen pics of it, you may be an afficionado of the brand and feel I have committed sacreligeous acts on it in recent times but if not I'd like to introduce Mars, aka Bigjobbie. :)

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100122.jpghttp://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100126.jpg

Current Specs:

• Case: Coolermaster ATCS 201 (Circa £200/$250 in 2001) :shocked:
• Mods: 120.2 Rad hole cut in the roof :eek:
• Mobo: DFI X58-T3EH6
• CPU: i7 920 D0
• Memory: 6GB Crucial Ballistix 1600
• Gfx: GTX460
• HDD: 160GB SSD, 250GB SATA, 80GB SATA
• Zalman ZM-MFC1 fan controller
• Radiator: Swiftech MCR220QP
• Fans: 2 x 120mm Redwings, 3 x 80mm Redwings
• CPU block: HK 3.0 LT
• GPU block: EK FC460 Nickel
• Reservoir/Pump: XSPC X2O 750 Bay Res Pump
• 8/11mm clear tubing
• Corsair 650W PSU

Plan is to move to a bigger case, this one is very cramped and I'm not getting the performance I know i can from the chip. So improve water setup, better temps, higher overclocks, mad leccy bills :eek:

This is what I picked up second hand to replace the CM201 :D

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100113.jpg

The guy had kept her in pristine condition, only the smallest of blemishes that you wouldn't notice if you weren't poring over the finish lookin for them. (not that I would!)

Note the Disk bays? Obviously he had been a bit of a storage nut, he told me he was selling the case to get one with more space for disks! But apart from that a great guy and a great buy. (I do like silver cases)

So whats going to go in there you ask?

Well from the old rig I'll be recycling: i7-920/GTX460/DDR3/HDD's/MCR220QP/Zalman ZM-MFC1/CPU Block and GPU block! ;)

And adding this lot!

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100116.jpg

Thats:

• MCR320QP Radiator
• Laing DDC-1+ Ultra Pump
• XSPC DDC res top/Raditator stands(360+240)
• Silver kill coil
• 7/16" ID - 5/8" OD (11-16mm) Blue tubing/Nickel fittings
• Various power extenders.

Lets take a closer look:

Fittings "numnum" & Rad detail :)
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100115.jpghttp://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100117.jpg

To be continued

Should be a nice upgrade.

I really like the silver case :D ;)

enjoy- i have the same case for sale :) , best case ever.

I just like the feel of it :)

OK so the time had come, I prepared the wife that she wouldn't have a computer for the day, braved the incredulous stares from my daughters when informed the same, and shut down the old girl (the computer not the wife!)

So time to strip out the old box, and I think you may guess what I found when I pulled the loop out. Lets just say I was having severe flow problems and thought my old 750 XSPC pump was knackered, but it wasn't.... oh no.

Heatkiller comes apart nice and easy... but Oh MY GOD...

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100130.jpghttp://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100131.jpg

What is it... let me out... mummy!! :eek: But we cleaned it up with dilute vinegar, tomato ketchup and good old elbow grease!
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100135.jpghttp://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100150.jpg

So it was probably plasticiser or some aditives in the coloured liquid I've been using up till now, but NO MORE, its Distilled water and kill coil (silver) for me an mah rigs :D.

Next up, time to strip down and build up... COR!

TJ07 has a LOT of screws allowing you to do just about anything with the innards.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100119.jpghttp://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100118.jpg

And allows you great access while you are working on the rig, you can actually break this down even further but I didn't need to I hoped.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100120.jpg

Lets put the pump/res together.. that looks like fun! :p

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100108.jpghttp://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100109.jpghttp://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100110.jpghttp://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100111.jpg

Nearly done, see the good seal with the o'ring thats essential.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100112.jpg

Update #3
Now we are cooking!

OK fitted the radiator stands by drilling a couple of holes into the base on each side, enough has been seen on how to drill a hole suffice to say you have to watch out for the feet location on the bottom of the TJ07. And boy is that aluminum thick!

Bit different here as I am pushing hot air out of the case at the bottom as I felt that the rads would just be heating each other up if I pulled air into the case. I could be wrong of course, everyone seems to pull air in when mounting rads in the bottom, I guess I'll suck it and see and rip it apart and change them if I find its rubbish :)

So after removing everything except the frame of the case, I could see where the rads would fit in and start to plan the layout of the tubing and ancilliaries.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100121.jpg

As you may have guessed the PSU is going to go behind the 240 radiator, and I could definitely have got away with a 480 in place of the 360 but its only a CPU/GPU loop so no biggie. If I upgrade the loop later I can switch to a 480.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100149.jpg
This is how it looks down there with both radiators in place, and you can see the start of the loop and how it all fits together. Man that Swiftech MCR220QP is OLD and beat up! :)

Loop plan is:

Res->pump->CPU->GPU->360->240->Res

Heres some pics to give you an idea:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100144.jpghttp://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100143.jpg

You can see the tubing connecting the two radiators and the way the entry of the tubing into the bottom area of the case is actually on opposite side the radiator its connected to, thats just to minimise any kinks or the need for multiple 90° connectors. In fact I plan only having one 90° max in the loop. :D

Oh and I'm using 38mm Yate Loons on the MCR320QP and 1850 Gentle Typhoons on the MCR220QP :)

Its just what I had left over from another more serious build. :D

I'm liking that blue tubing now.. yummy yummy.

Oh and I've decided to add something to this beautiful case that I never do on my cases, but more on that later (in case it turns out really bad I can pretend it was something else!)

What tubing is that? From the pictures it looks like it has a sort of dull finish to it. I like that.

And personally I like the CM201 better. :D

Tubing: Its XSPC 3/8" ID - 5/8" OD (10-16mm) High Flex Tubing : Blue / UV
And I had this 201 for a looooong time. Still got it. Don't think anyone will buy it these days :)

How will the airflow be in the bottom? Now it looks like both rads are getting push from the inside. If that is the case, where will the cool air come from?

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Originally Posted by woffen

How will the airflow be in the bottom? Now it looks like both rads are getting push from the inside. If that is the case, where will the cool air come from?

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Originally Posted by Biffa

Update #3
Bit different here as I am pushing hot air out of the case at the bottom as I felt that the rads would just be heating each other up if I pulled air into the case. I could be wrong of course, everyone seems to pull air in when mounting rads in the bottom, I guess I'll suck it and see and rip it apart and change them if I find its rubbish :)

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I've done builds with rads pulling in, out, shake it all about :) Everyone is so divided and everyone gets such different results depending on their build I figured I'd do what felt right in this case.

If we pull air through the rads into the case you get a lot of hot air in between the radiators, plus the fans will will be blowing air against each other which is less efficient and more work. The air in the case also then gets hotter in turn heating the components, tubing and to a certain degree the radiators themselves and other parts.

I don't think the air at the bottom of the case will be so hot, there isn't anything dumping hot air into that section of the case, and I can always add a 120mm quiet fan on the grill next to the PSU (probably with a filter) to provide more cool air.

But as I said, if it all goes horribly wrong I can start again :)

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Originally Posted by Biffa

I've done builds with rads pulling in, out, shake it all about :) Everyone is so divided and everyone gets such different results depending on their build I figured I'd do what felt right in this case.

If we pull air through the rads into the case you get a lot of hot air in between the radiators, plus the fans will will be blowing air against each other which is less efficient and more work. The air in the case also then gets hotter in turn heating the components, tubing and to a certain degree the radiators themselves and other parts.

I don't think the air at the bottom of the case will be so hot, there isn't anything dumping hot air into that section of the case, and I can always add a 120mm quiet fan on the grill next to the PSU (probably with a filter) to provide more cool air.

But as I said, if it all goes horribly wrong I can start again :)

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I think one of the most important things when watercooling is getting cool air for your radiators. What about having the 360 take in air and the 220 + PSU blowing it out? If you add a fan at the back beside the PSU, it will blow the hot air from the PSU back in the case.

These are just my thoughts as I have the same case. Don't want to tell you how to do your build, just some thoughts.:)

I'm just not sure where you think all this hot air is coming from at the bottom of the case? There aren't any components down there and most of the hot air in the main part of the case is carried to the radiators within the loop, anything else should be carried out the back fans like normal, but we are only really talking about RAM heat and chipset heat.

And I thank you for your input, it does help, its not a good idea to get stuck in your ways, and agree that I'm not doing what seems to be normal in this case, lets just treat it as my little experiment and see how it goes. :D

Just thinking of airflow and heat bleeding from an exhaust to an intake then in front and bottom and out rear and top seems to make sense but unless you are looking for every last point of a degree I don't suppose there is a huge difference
Oh and....

Somebody had to do it......

Yeah this is just an i7-920D0@4.2Ghz and a GTX460. Nothing major heat wise right now.

My other project, thats a heat monster. But you wouldn't believe it, I've got a 360 in the top pulling cold air in, a 120 mounted on the rear fan blowing air out and a 240 in the front of the case blowing air out. Still people suggested I should do it the other way round, you just can't win really :D

So anyone who's seen a TJ07 build knows that there are a few small shortcomings with the case that may require a bit of cutting to overcome. Now I started off trying to minimise the amount of cutting I did to the case but one thing that was really apparent was that you need some access holes cut for cabling behind the motherboard tray. I only wanted to do one cut so chose to make it largish and positioned where it would do the most good. Unfortunately I forgot to do it before starting to put everything together so had to jury rig some "protection" during the operation.

Heres where I want to cut
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100153.jpg

Bit of a close up
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100152.jpg

And heres the protective high tech sheeting I used to prevent dust and particles of metal getting onto the delicate parts :p
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100154.jpg

So out with the hacksaw and dremel, then I put some black trim on it to finish it off. Final result:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100179.jpg

I also didn't get the blanking grill for the dual PSU plate and as I was only using one PSU I sorted needed something to keep the critters from crawling into my nice warm case during the upcoming winter months. So off to get some Aluminium mesh from the local hardware store, I quick measure and cut (Surprisingly cut it with a stanley knife!) and voila:

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100177.jpg

Now to do some tubing layout and on to a leak test!

Sorting out the loop route wasn't hard, I sorta did it in my head, the only 90° fitting is on the top of the res, so hopefully not too much restriction caused there.

Loop & cable route testing:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100156.jpg

Decided on getting replacement SATA cables, yellow just isn't right! Oh and ordered braided extensions for the VGA power cables while I was at it :)

Gratuitous closeup shots of shiny bits :D

EK Nickel 460 block
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100157.jpg

Pump/res in situ, Silver Killcoil already in so I don't forget it :)
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100158.jpg

Aint she purdey? :p
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100161.jpg

OK leak testing time!

Fill her up and jump start that PSU and see what we have got.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100164.jpg

Lookin good, no leaks, so far.. :eek:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100162.jpg

In here was where I was most worried, where the tubing connects the two radiators:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100165.jpg

Lots of bubbles, and the pump was as noisy as *%£)*%! Left it for a few hours and it all settled down to silence...
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100167.jpg

Next update in a few days... and its a doozy! .. you know I said I didn't want to hack the case up too much? Well...... :p

So... on with the show :D

OK, so remember, those of you who bother to read project logs :p, how I said I wanted to minimise the cutting of this lovely case?

Well I sort of lied. Sorry! Sorry anyone who doesn't like it when people butcher nice cases, but COME ON, you saw what I did to my CM201 and I nearly got keyboard crucified for that one! :D

So what was the evil plan? Right, well I did something strange, I never do bling too much really, sort of a more, neat and functional sort of builder. So I'm not too sure what came over me when I drew this: :eek:

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100214.jpg

Sorry about the overclocking notes at the bottom, I was doing too many things at once that day :)

Basically I loved the look of my loop so much I thought I'd just keep stopping through the day and opening up the side of the case just to look at it, and that would be inconvenient... soo.. arrghbuggerit.. ok it was the bling and the scary prospect of maybe doing a good job that got me going on this, whats the worst thing that could happen? HAHA

I wanted to shape the window to sympathetically follow the side panel contour with the rounded corners in the front, it had to cover all the messy bits but be big enough to see all the cool bits. So I read up on it, made some notes, bought all the bits (I'd had the perspex lying around for years just chickening out from doing it on earlier builds), girded my loins and went for it! :cool:

Here we go.

Masking tape on the front and back of the panel to let me draw the shape to cut and prevent power tools from slipping:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100213.jpg

Double checking the design will not interfere with anything on the back of the panel.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100215.jpg

Transfer the design from paper to the masking tape.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100216.jpg

Drill two pilot holes on opposite corners.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100218.jpg

I'm going to use a jigsaw with a metal cutting blade, because for me its faster, cleaner and more manly than a dremel :D
and a few minutes later we have this:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100219.jpg

Following the advise of a Welshman called Tom I cut up to about 1.5-2mm from the line I drew, remove the cutout, a few extra trims to get into the corners a bit more and we are ready for the next stage.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100221.jpg

Which is... filing! Yay! Now a bit of background, my wife is a trained jeweler and has everything you would ever need to work with metal, one of which is a great set of metal files of all shapes and sizes :D

Flat file for the.. er.. flat bits :)
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100222.jpg

Half round for the curves again not going right up to the line, just a hair off the line, makes it much easier to keep your filed edge parallel to the line you drew around 0.25mm close.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100223.jpg

This is the finish after the filing is all done, it definitely needs sanding.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100226.jpg

Weapons of choice
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100227.jpg

Now, some ppl advocate sanding and polising the edge up to a mirror shine or at least close to, but the TJ07 has a satin finish and I wanted to emulate that, so I stuck with 400grit and it feels about right.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100228.jpg

Cut the acrylic with a stanley knife and snapped on the table edge (doh no pics) and decided on double sided tape to affix the acrylic window.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100229.jpg

The finished article!
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100231.jpg

In situ:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...P1100233-1.jpg

Other things of note:

1. Stealthed BD drive in top bay (got the trick off the original owner)
2. Removed one of the drive bays, and removed the fugly front off the other and replaced with filtered Lian Li bay covers

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100174.jpg
OK, so stand by for the next update is gonna be completed rig with lighting, lots of gratuitous bling shots, money shots and some after dark action! :D

As said, heres the final (yeah right) or ok, the current status of the case. There are things I'd like to try out differently, see the end of this post for a list, but I think its the smartest build I've done and one that I am proud of.

So heres the final pics.

The long shot:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100239.jpg

Loop layout:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100171.jpg

Bling Bling Closeup!
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100176.jpg

A couple of UV's and a darkened room.. ooh purdey.. )
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100258.jpg
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100261.jpg

In situ next to my desk.
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...d/P1100264.jpg

So we come to the end.. for now.

As with all builds, you rarely finish completely, there is always something left to do, improvements you think of, mistakes that you made. So it is with this build.

Things that fall into those categories:

• I'd like to finalise the bezel fittings on the front, currently they are friction fit which works really well, but I'll probably try and find a more permanent solution later
• The placement of the lighting isn't ideal
• I'll try and rearrange the PSU cables in the base to clear air flow
• On the concept of airflow, perhaps a fan in the custom grill I made
• Speaking of the grill, try and find an original Silverstone square hole secondary psu grill
• Try with the radiators pulling air into the case, combined with an exhaust fan on the secondary psu grill see if temps can be improved.

Thanks for watching and commenting.

I like what you did with the pump/res

Cheers ScotALot :)

Think I'm going to get rid of the anti-kink coils apart from where they are needed (and hidden) where the tubing fits the radiators.

Temps
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...ld/temps_1.jpg

Biffa
Are those Phobya Rad mounts?
Can you tell what high do they have?

From the looks of the tubing, you don't even need the kink protectors, take those things off and show those amazingly blue tubes=P

Its being stripped down tonight and replaced with a 2600K so I'll take the oportunity to do just that :)

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Originally Posted by SpuTnicK

Biffa
Are those Phobya Rad mounts?
Can you tell what high do they have?

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No mate they are Chilled PC ones from here not sure of the overall height if thats what you were after. I'm opening her up tonight so will check for you.