Finally! some stats inbound...
one ARC-1880IX-12 with a 4GB memory stick, which hopefully works...:up:
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...5-58-44032.jpg
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Finally! some stats inbound...
one ARC-1880IX-12 with a 4GB memory stick, which hopefully works...:up:
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...5-58-44032.jpg
Well... the ram linked from newegg will not work..I will do some more looking into that, maybe there is a procedure to reset the card after the ram installation?
reinstalled the 1gb stick, i have a different 4gb stick that meets the manufacturers specs in tomorrow, so we shall test that.
initial impressions:
*Its HUGE!!!! Much larger than the lsi series, used to the 9260 and 9211 this thing is a monster by comparison, there are pics of it next to the 9260 below, the 9260 being the card next to it with the red cables going in.
*It runs much hotter....i mean alot hotter than the LSI...and i dont have any devices connected to it yet, but it is a furnace, fans will be a 24/7 requirement for sure. Just one of the HS is twice as hot as the 9260, and they are both cooking! and also, are the ROC lsi2108 on these cards clocked higher? the heatsinks are much larger, so they could handle more heat, they have no problem dissipating it, thats for sure. :)
*Card initialization is a shocker, only 9 seconds, of course this is without any devices, but i shall post a comparison timing soon. regardless, that is good.
*pics follow for some eye-candy/9260 comparison...gonna have to SE the 'ol barefoots and then get em on the card, then im just an image away from some numbers!
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...6-32-22712.jpg
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...6-32-06846.jpg
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...6-31-38820.jpg
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...6-31-56638.jpg
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Nice Computurd!
*High five!*
First I am testing 1 gb memory, then I am testing the orginal Arc 4gb memory that is a few days away.
I hope we can compare results here! I testing 8 c300. But I have 2 more to test if it is not enough. 10+ intel 160gb is going to be tested as well. Next week Hitachi 2tb drives arrives :up:
Right now the 1880 is on a torture IOMETER runs :D
My test setup :p:
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp219/Nizzen/345.jpg
Thanks for the images and info Computurd,
I guess I'll need to get a fan for that thing, my 9260s aren't generating much heat at all, I've got a 8cm fan (low rpm) directed at both of them just in case.
@Nizzen,
Didn't notice your image :)
Your table-fan looks just like the one I'm using.
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/p...t64kstripe.png
CDM 2gb testfile 64k stripe 8xc300.
I want it faster :(
Hi Computurd,
Will you remove the heatsink to confirm the ROC is LSI2108?
It is pcp 440 on steroids :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wintel64
Like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nizzen
http://bjorn3d.com/Material/revimage...750-4i/12L.jpg
nice pic, i have no tim! the only thing i have right nw is IC Diamond and i definitely do not want to use that. going to order some MX-2, but I am confident it is, as Areca representative has verified it to me personally, via email:)
@nizzen-Awesome! just fantastic! those c300's make my eyes water...unfortunately my old vertex gen 1 wont hold a candle to that insane setup! I have had so many rigs look like that :) gotta love it!
Putting array on now, had some housekeeping to do (image, etc) and some SE on the barefoots, so my numbers will be in soon.
I am eyeing the ports on this card right now, if in fact they are running a variant of the LSI firmware for the card, it might be possible to use the fastpath key with it. I know the LSI key works with intels, and vice versa, so....logic would dictate...but is areca gonna use fastpath-type device?
but i do have a feeling that this is a different architecture entirely, which will be interesting, an areca 'spin' on the already-learned lessons from the LSI corp firmwares/drivers. Knowing how areca likes to cater to the enthusiast crowd, and LSI likes to literally push them and their motherboards away, this could prove very interesting. I am sure to bore you with some LSI v. Areca numbers soon :)
EDIT: going to email areca again and double verify the ROC, their reply did leave it between two controllers, but sure its 2108 as the 2116 appears to be a external controller. maybe thats the port multiplier hiding behind heatsink number 2? (mystery guest?) here is their previous reply:
Quote:
We use the PPC architecture ROC-From LSI 2108 and 2116.
Areca has well experienced the external RAID controller ARC-8060 from AMCC 440SP PPC SOC since 2007.
How about a few screenshots of the management software?
Bios or the Archttp?
@Nizzen---I have studied the routing on the PCB of the card, and it appears the primary ROC is the chip to the rear of the card, and the bottom three connectors on the rear of the card go directly to that chip. the rest of the connectors are routed to the forward chip, which i assume is the expander. Since the only three on my card are routed to the rear chip, i am assuming it is the primary ROC> I just happened to notice that your drives were connected to the top connectors, so if they are going through the expander i would assume some latency, no matter how finite , would be added? just for grins you might try using the bottom three ports on the rear of your card to see if there is any difference?
EDIT: i couldn't be more wrong, turns out the roc is the rear chip near the bracket..so big question..why do they route everything through the expander when it is only three port card?
Just something showing VD settings/options would be fine :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Computurd
I will post soon, se drives, and i have been tracking my drive usage for last year with SMART data and est drive life, so i am documenting each drive real quick before i move to testing.
in other news...
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...2-26-03560.jpgQuote:
Hi,
ARC-1880ixl is using others using 2108.
You just uplug the 1GB register DIMM module and plug-in 4GB DIMM module.
No BIOS setting is required.
Regards
Billion Wu
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...2-24-45492.jpg
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...0-51-28372.jpg
Thanks for the info and photo comparisons - that's one huge card compared to LSI 9260! Got a thermal probe/infra-red thermometer to read how hot it actually is on Areca ? I'm tempted by 1880ix-12 as well (~AUD$1155 or US$1033) but didn't realise how hot it is! Other choice is LSI 9260-16i
Curious are the LSI 9260-8i sata cables interchangeable on Areca ?
Already have the ssds ready :D
looking forward to your updates :)
@ mr eva, wow, 12x SF drives! Nice to see you're like me, all or nothing! :clap:
edit - regarding the cables - interchangability - if the LSI cables are fanout to sata then yes they should work.
I use highpoint fanouts for both LSI and areca controllers.
also FYI - in the past - areca has sent a complete set of cables with all of their cards also. :yepp:
wow, 12x SSDs! - you and Mr mbreslin! all or nothing. :clap:
I saving to get me a 1880-24 myself for my new fileserver :D
Computurd:
No benchmarks yet?
Some ATTO "luvin"
Atto: 8x c300 r0
CDM 8x c300 r5 :D This array took about 10 minutes to create in foreground!
Looks like I got into a 17-1800MB cap. I testing further...
nah not yet :( 14 hour day at work today so....now i get to my real work ;0
someone above asked if there is support for 2tb drives, there is, but there are caveat to the types of drives etc. i know you can use the new ones with 4k sectors, but there are conditions to that, there is info at their site on it in the areca manual.
@eva it certainly wouldnt be anythin to keep me from buying or using the card (the heat)
tbh my initial impressions of the card are a little...well...let down? it isnt giving the performance or the latencies that i was getting with the LSI, but that is with cursory examination, and i also have had a random reboot on rock-solid settings, which NEVER has happened with LSi, to early to call it based on that of course, could be a fluke or something. this early, with only playing on it basically, gives me bad vibes. maybe bad install is giving me these strange results, but right now it is flying like a brick compared to the 9260 with fastpath. however, i am sure the install is good because i did a fresh install, Acronis doesnt recognize the controller so it wont restore images to the array unless i use it from an OS, the boot disk isnt allowing it. I am sure there is a way to load the driver, but i have never had to do that with acronis, so i will have to do some learning on that.
latency measured with Everest is .10. need to experiment more though with different settings. i know that read aheads/etc affect these things. got some testing to do...9260 is .08
do not take this as some type of negative comment on performance, it is too early to quantify anything, and also it is apparent they are using their own firmware/drivers etc, so they may need time to mature/develop. the thing is though, honestly, the 9260 is already there...
the memory stick from memoryten didnt work either so that is a BIG GAH!!!!! gonna have some RMA'ing to do. need a solid link on some ram that works with this thing, emailed areca to see if they can give me a link to something specifically. I do not want to order the ram used for their older cards though, it doesnt run at the speed of the ram on the card right now, it is slower.
also gonna :banana::banana::banana::banana: around with the settings a bit, try the different drivers, and maybe reflash firmware, anything....
sorry about the other post in your other thread hehe didnt realise u made a thread, Cant wait for benchmarks mate, i wonder whos gonna be the title holder after everyone gets their hands on the areca controller, unfortunately for me i cant dish this kinda cash out, even the 9260 is quite expensive here.. Might actually go with the 9260 after reading its no wear near as hot as the areca cards... Sub'd anyhow :)
Computurd,
Nizzen seem to struggle a bit as well, it's early days yet though.
The results he got using the single drive were great, not sure why 8 drives are sort of underperforming.
How does Areca compare to LSI on the frequency of FW updates?.
to my knowledge, in the past arecas firmwares/drivers etc are not very frequent. others might chime in here. on the other hand, LSI issues new firmware/drivers all the time, over the last year that the 9260 has came out there have been 7 firmwares for the card, that is not counting driver changes. I am curious, it seems they are using the same firmwares, etc for this as other (older) controllers which makes me wonder...
still the main attraction is cache. it doesnt put up fastpath numbers with random 4k, but they are close, and (it seems) you do not have to sacrifice your write performance to get them. I will post some more detailed results very soon.
Ive seen LSI release firmwares quite a bit back before the 1680ix came out and a bit after but it has slowed recently. Might speed up again with the 1880 release.
I expect there could be a few quick updates from Areca, this being a new controller.
Looking forward to some benchmarks Computurd,
Nizzen is about to test a load of Intels :D
:bounces:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anvil
woah 10x 160GB G2 = 1600GB nice :D
Yes, I expect the areca line to mature, of course. And with its benefit of cache it might be the go-to card in the future.
having so many problems getting the ram it is ridiculous. The kingston ram they linked ( KVR800D2D8P6/4G ) is discontinued. NO ebay doesnt have it either:(
Had to call Unigen American office directly in order to find the other part that their tech support recommends (UG51T7200N8DR-8CC). it will cost 350 and have a 2-3 week lead time(have to ship from taiwan for christ sakes). I could also have a custom module made by memoryten manufacturer meeting the specifications for 250 usd with lead time of five days (but no guarantees on if it works there)...hmm.
any other ideas guys? seems they didnt have much planning in regards to this ram. the older ram runs at 667 and if i am going to buy ANY ram for this it will be 4gb and run at the max 800mhz. the 2gb sticks are everywhere, but :banana::banana::banana::banana: that.
need some memory gurus to weigh in here....seriously im struggling!
the spec is:
512M x 72-bit 4GB (4096MB) DDR2-800 CL6 SDRAM
(Synchronous DRAM) "dual rank" Registered w/Parity memory module. The
components on
this module include eighteen 256M x 8-bit DDR2-800 SDRAM in FBGA packages.
This 240-
pin DIMM uses gold contact fingers and requires +1.8V
it MUST be x8 or x16... (18 IC only is what is making it hard to find a
replacement.)
my impatience is not making this easy...
I have that stick on my desk, along with another stick of ram that is also supposedly compatible. neither are. they physically have to many IC even though it isnt listed that way.
12M x 72-bit 4GB (4096MB) DDR2-800 CL6 SDRAM
(Synchronous DRAM) "dual rank" Registered w/Parity memory module. The
components on
this module include eighteen 256M x 8-bitDDR2-800 SDRAM in FBGA packages.
This 240-
pin DIMM uses gold contact fingers and requires +1.8V
it MUST be x8 or x16... (18 IC only is what is making it hard to find a
replacement.)
I thought the extra chip (9 vs 8 or 18 vs 16) was the parity chip so the controller would only see 8 or 16 chips. The additional 1 or 2 parity chips should be invisible to it.
Have you tried this one? (18 chip).
no it is that the linked chips (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820139084) actually physically have 36 chips...even though they arent listed as such.
i will run this by the areca tech support, and let you know as soon as i receive a response! thanks!
EDIT: i think that the difference is this one is not 'registered with parity'...so i am not sure if it will work...
I can assure you the above linked part is an 4GB 18 chip DDR2-800 ECC CL6 stick ;)
The extra 2 chips are the parity chips...
KVR800D2E6/4G
Thank you biker, for your guidance with the ram, i have sent an email to areca about that stick, and will hopefully receive a reply back soon. it troubles me they would link an discontinued stick. hopefully this will help to remedy the situation...
with two failed attempts though i need to check better :)
Now, back to the show with some real results for once.
Kinda receiving some strange results here. Some of these 4k results seem a little to good to be true so i did some things to try to make them as accurate as possible..logged off and ran GC for a few hours...
*one worker
*4GB test file, four times larger than the cache
*turned off hdd read ahead
*turned off volume read ahead
*enabled write-thru cache to eliminate cache usage (even though it is for writes, just trying to take cache totally out of the equation.
Now, i ran this 4k profile with a 5second ramp, two minute run, mainly because that is how i ran my fastpath benches earlier.
a thing of note here: even though i shut off cache, and read ahead, on the QD1-3 the number would start low, then slowly climb over the course of the two minute run. for instance QD started at 30 then climbed steadily to its final result.
not sure why, with all the precautions taken to eliminate caching and read ahead. over those lower QD though, the mb/s would not stray more than 2 or 3 during the run for all other higher QD.
the LSI 9260-8i with FastPath is on the left, the Areca 1880IX-12 is on the right.
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u.../1880v9260.png
Some conclusions (wild speculations, etc, in italics :rolleyes: ) regarding this....
unless my array is degrading faster than any array I have ever seen, as i only wrote one 4gb testfile, then ran the reads concurrently without stopping....or there is something strange going on here.
seems at the higher QD the controller hits a 'hole' of sorts at the higher QD.
there is a point of diminishing returns very quickly. I will let my drives GC overnight, then run the higher QD in the morning again to try to rule that possibility out of the equation. If the preliminary analysis holds true, then this is something that might be addressed in future firmware revisions, etc.
Now, would it need to be? the low QD is so superb, that for OS usage it looks to be ridiculously powerful! any high QD situations should be rare indeed, as with the latencies involved there would be resolved very very quickly. of course server use would suffer...but man the low QD is good.
I think this high QD 'hole' is what is leading to some less-than-spectacular results with the as ssd, CDM, etc. have ran some cursory PCMV with this array, and i am easily getting within 1k points of my highest, and that is with only 4.2 setting and none of my real tricks :) I am leveraging cache a bit, but hey..:shrug: once i get some ram i will go to battle stations :cool:
the difference in the low QD latency is astounding. I would love to see gullars compare that to the latencies involved with the 9260 for his QOS numbers...
going to load some games up, let the gc do its thing, and do some load testing in the AM. havent set it up yet in soft-raid, but dont really care to. i wouldnt use it for soft raid, ever. However, seeing some of mr nizzen's fantastic results i might do it. he has hit .05 latency when measured with everest in pass thru mode.
Some of my initial qualms have been allayed a bit...array seems to be working well, and these results are encouraging. also gonna do some 4k sequential and see what we get.
An unfortunate downside of the 9260-8i with fastpath is that it hurts write speeds tremendously, because you have to run write-thru. Even when i have made my best PCMV runs, i have to do it in write back with the 9260. it just penalizes too much for slow writes on the benchmark. FastPath does deliver a tremendous boost with write back enabled, but you do not see the true potential of the awesome reads, you still leave about 30 percent on the table with write back enabled.
early indications is this is not a flaw that the areca suffers. so has areca struck a middle ground here? or hit a home run? if you enable read ahead etc...the game changes a bit, so i will try to explore that a bit as well...the sequentials benefit tremendously more (with read ahead) than they do with the LSI, arecas read ahead algorithms are just flat out better imo.
Can you send med the 4k iometer testfile? Then I can compare with youre results :)
Looks like it is UG51T7200N8DR-8CC 4gb memory we have to rely on for now :(
On my Areca 1680ix I have Supertalent memory :)
Interesting results Computurd
Quite a boost on the Areca up to QD16.
From ~QD24 upwards it resembles what I saw in Nizzens iometer test.
Your drives are capable of ~15-16K 4K read iops each and so in theory one should be able to pull 120-130.000 iops using 8 Vertex.
Looks like mine will be delivered early next week. (monday-tuesday)
Kind of worried about the heat situ, my setup is hardly audible atm, not looking for more noise.
@Nizzen
Just run the test manually, there is no single config script for those exact QDs.
When the BBU for ARC-1880 will become available?
thinking of doing a soft raid with the 9260 and the 1880..would be interesting..
Pretty much all areca cards use the same BBU. They look like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wintel64
http://box.houkouonchi.jp/bbu/DSC_2050-small.JPG
They are ARC-6120 and looking at the connector on the ARC-1880 in pictures I am sure it uses the same as well.
I cant find anything on their site that says this for sure but I would be amazed if it used something different.
newegg is showing the 24 and 16 port but not the 12 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-072-_-Product
excellent find steve- wonder if they will have memory for it :ROTF:
i did find one retailer with the recommended 4gb module, for 420 bucks. ouch. went halfway and ordered a guaranteed compatible stick (kingston KVR800D2D8P6/2G) for 60 dollars. same brand, half the size, but seven times cheaper. unbelievable, i feel like im being price gouged, as they are impossible to find. so i wont do it. no :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing way. i have ordered from unigen directly, and while the lead time is long, i am doing it on principle :p:
so steve-o my man...you seem noticeably absent from the 1880 party, you gonna join?
my results are super late but RLS is hampering me...
@Biker, i have recieved a reply from areca on the stick you linked, they say it is no good as it isnt registered :( they are full of ideas on ram that WONT work, but none when it comes to ram that will work.
Not a memory expert but this looks like it would work.
http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/def...N-CT51272AB80E
unfortunately it is a 512 x 72 , and compatible ram has to be 256x8. I am not a memory expert either, but i have contacted several people who are (tech support at memory suppliers) and they say it is pretty much limited to one part, which is discontinued. Unigen is going to supply areca with the neccesary chips, but there is a bit of a wait for them to get to market (eta:unknown). I will just live with the 2gb, even though there are tons of 667mhz chips which would work i just really insist upon 800mhz! I am semi-content to wait...
Interesting tid-bit...Much like the 92xx series this card isn't allowing PCI-E overclocking, at least not to much of an extent. the max that it will boot at is 105. the max i have gotten the 92xx series up to is 107. anything other than that it isnt showing up to the bios. There is, of course, a slight possibility that this is a symptom of the motherboard, but i havent heard of classifieds having any serious pci-e overclocking issues. I assume it is some sort of self-protection? can anyone else with the card try to bump the pci-e up?
bit silly to design the cache to not accept a wider variety of modules!Quote:
Originally Posted by Computurd
yes, there is not a very large selection of ram meeting their specifications on the market at this point. They are basically contracting with Unigen to expand that availability, unfortunately that is in the beginning stages, but soon the modules will be available for us. bit of a wait, unfortunately. there are plenty of modules available for the 2GB size, but it is 4GB that is the problem.
I have built a bit of a rapport with one of their support techs, and i will say this, their tech support is stellar. they are friendly and helpful, and have helped me to explore some possibilities. I have been ignored by some manufacturers once they find out about the non-server motherboard, non-supported drives, etc. That can be frustrating as they then basically blow you off.
So, Areca's willingness to help is nice. Even though the ram issue is frustrating, it takes a bit of the sting out of it.
Asked a few other questions here and there and on the subject of TRIM support i was given this response:
This is enlightening as it helps to explain our long wait for TRIM in regards to Raid. The problem with hardware raid passing the command is apparently the result of needing to be included in SCSI spec.Quote:
The TRIM command specification is being standardized as part of the AT Attachment (ATA) interface standard, led by Technical Committee T13 of the International Committee for Information Technology Standards. A TRIM command allows an operating system to tell a solid-state drive (or "SSD") which data blocks are no longer in use, such as those left by deleted files. You should use the OS build-in ATA command device driver to communicate the ATA port for TRIM command. But, most of the RAID adapters emulate the SCSI command to support more volumes on one RAID adapter. That's why the TRIM command can not support on all vendors of RAID adapters. NetAPP just proposal the Trim command for SCSI spec to T10/10-084r0 and 079r0 on 2 March 2010. It may be included the Trim function on the OS in the future. This is the only method to add the function on the firmware level.
4k low QD with pci-e at 105
main thing here is the latency...wow!
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...random1880.png
Nizzen surpassed 100.000 4K rr iops last night using the C300s, not sure of what settings he used.
(might have been the read ahead stuff, I'll ask him)
interesting got this from my local Australian disty for Areca - unfortunately 1880ix-12 stock is 1 month away only 1880ix-8 and 1880ix-16 is available right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Computurd
So they have a qualified 4GB DDR2-800 ECC module for Areca at AUD$195 so add 10% GST = AUD$214.50Quote:
Confirmed that we can bundle Fanout (discrete) cables for free.
We have qualified 4GB DDR2-800 ECC memory for our RAID controllers.
D2-4GB800E AUD$195.00 ex GST - brands may vary depending on availability - such are Infineon, Samsung, Hynix, Nanya or Micron.
btw guys did your 1880ix come with free cables ?
About the same price in Norway for the 4GB module.
Will know for sure about the cabling in about 30minutes.
(According to Nizzen a few cables were included but not miniSAS->SATA fan-outs)
Good morning Mr CT,Quote:
Originally Posted by Computurd
In my limited spare time I'm playing with clarkdale 655k on the cascade.
Chasing points on the hw bot!
But enjoying very much watching all of you making progress with the 1880! :up::up::up:
As Dinos said last week - regarding pcmv -
I need to give others a chance for a while :)
There were 4 miniSAS -> miniSAS cables in the box (IX-16) + 1 serial cable?
Won't be able to test for another 3-4 hours.
Like Computurd said, it's huge compared to the LSI, it has to be as the DDR stick needs some space :)
My first ever benchmark on the Areca 1880IX-16
4KB RR QD64 4R0 Intel G1 80GB
Attachment 107254
I haven't started exploring anything yet, just a quick 1st run.
edit:
Temperature while migrating from 16KB stripe size to 4KB.
(would have been quicker to recreate the raid, just had to test)
Attachment 107255
looking good, strip size? 1GB cache?
It passed 100k @ qQD and the "default" controller settings where used. HDD Read Ahead Cache: enabledQuote:
Originally Posted by Anvil
Volume Data Read Ahead: Normal
Volume Stripe Size: 4k :shrug:
Tagged Command Queuing: enabled
Volume Cache Mode: Writeback
12 workers in Iometer
Align i/o : ON "4k"
For comparison - 4x x25v on 1231ML-4G (4GB) 4K random qdepth 64 is ~61K iops (238MB/s) so 1880 is looking good yes?!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=245120&page=6
Steve,
I'm a bit excited :), I expect it could take a while to get to know this thing.
The test was using 16KB stripe size, 1GB cache, WBC
Read ahead -> Disabled
@Nizzen
I've explored the 4K and it seems to max out at 93.000 iops using 4 workers.
Write Through or Write Back doesn't seem to matter for random read, unlike the 9260 where it does matter.
edit:
I'll run a few standard tests just to have something to compare to
ATTO, CDM, AS SSD coming up shortly
Still running 4R0 Intel G1 80GB, SS 4KB
ATTO 256MB (cache testing, right 1GB)
Attachment 107256 Attachment 107257
AS SSD
(left WT, right WB)
Attachment 107258 Attachment 107259
(left WB, Volume read ahead, - right + HDD read ahead)
Attachment 107260 Attachment 107261
CDM
(WB, Volume read ahead + HDD read ahead)
Attachment 107262 Attachment 107263 Attachment 107264
iometer 1GB testfile, read ahead disabled
4K RR 1W QD1-32 + 4K RR 4W QD4-32
+
same runs using Volume read ahead
max ~100.000 iops at low QD on both
+
last file is 32KB stripe size, 1 and 3GB testfile
comment on the 3GB test, ~53.000 iops is max, a bit disappointing.
Looks like as one steps out of the cache, things slow down.
Help someone with areca 1880. I have just recieved the cables 3ware and on connecting the card up to 2 x Intel 80GB G1's in default raid 0 my results have me confused.
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/1235/hdtachdi.jpg
atto result
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/551/attoi.jpg
Previous ICH10 Intel raid 0
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3158/intelu.jpg
Every time I run atto it seems low numbers appear on some of the reads. I have set and redone the array even tried changing cables still same results inconsitency. Can anyone point me where might the problem lie. just got back in from work so probably something I missed. BTW these results are taken from OS on normal HD with win7 and drivers installed for card etc. My HD teach for the intels on ICH 10 was around 525MB across the board.
Crystal mark is better
old intel
seq = 565.7 write 158.1
512k = 368.7 write 151.2
4k = 18.74 write 121.4
4kqd32 = 240.9 write 140.6
new areca
seq = 553 write 179.9
512 = 593 write 191.9
4k = 22.98 write 130.3
4kqd32 = 225.5 write 157.2
0 fill 512 cache enabled
So why the strange atto. Long bench HDtach is very good?
hmm downloaded newer version atto results speak for themselves.
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/9897/arecanew.jpg
And long bench areca but short still shows 300 odd must be glitch or untrustworthy bench or cache. Looks good otherwise :)
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2415/hdtachareca.jpg
Both ATTO and HDtach are no good at measuring things. ATTO works fine only if there is no cache.
I know the cache plays into the score, but I still think something is not quite right here is my intel score 1gb and areca 1gb so taking away the cache which on my card is only 512mb anyways. Please someone chirp in if you know why my reads on the areca at 1 gb should be so low.
Intel
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/7035/intel1gb.jpg
Areca
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6509/areca1gb.jpg
Anyone?
DeVitto,
I don't know, still exploring the thing.
There's definately something wrong though, probably your settings.
Do an AS SSD and post a screenshot.
Here you go I haven't changed much from when I recieved the card for the intial tests. This is configured with 128 stripe read ahead on write back etc. Whats the default config I might have to read that manual lol but I havent seen restore to defaults in the settings otherwise i was setting the 128k because thats what I had on ICH10, and I believe Intels are best on that stripe size. I did try a 4k stripe and my reads went nearer to where they should be with atto. I have always trusted attos output above all hd tests so I dunno whats correct here.
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2...dmarkareca.jpg
@eva--wow that is crazy you Aussies have all the good stuff:p: cheap ram! I hope it is compatible :)
the rapport with the areca techs has seemed to help somewhat. they are sending me a 4gb stick of the Unigen ram, for zero dollars! That is great, i am very excited:D
I did link them to some of the 9260 threads i have done on several sites, and they agreed that a lack of american availability of the ram wasn't good so they helped me out. Awesome:up::up::up:
i still have the 2gb inbound, so that will hold me off. the tracking on the ram they sent has no ETA, but it is already moving quickly...was sent express so soon i will know how fast stuff gets to kansas from taiwan :)
couldnt be more stoked about that!
@Anvil, excited to see that you have your controller:clap:, you have much superior hardware than i do, these vertex are tired;)
@nizzen-superior results getting over the 100K iops mark! question: what exactly do you mean by " Align i/o : ON "4k"?
I havent made any runs at the smaller stripe sizes, and also with only one worker. The only stripes ive ran is 128 and 64..soon that will change..
the tests i did with the LSI were with only one worker, so in comparing i was going to only do one...but this is a different animal, so time to run some other stuff.
@ Anvil - looking good! :up:
Areca's like small strip size - try smaller! ;)
@ CT - congrats on getting your memory FOR FREE! - jealous - very jealous! :yepp:
@ Devito - go to 16k stripe or smaller and make sure write back is turned on in the controller - see if that helps.
@steve-o
didnt realize you benched on the bot...6076.7 cpu-z??? now THAT is something to be jealous of :) impressive!:clap:
with your gear you should be able to blow it up! noticed you havent hit PCM05 yet, those should be some easy points for you with that array...actually with your gear there is tons of low hanging fruit out there...
guys with the 1880, has anyone tried pci-e overclock yet?
EDIT:
@anvil-i am experiencing similar temps with the areca, with a fan pointed at it the temp is easily manageable with cpu at 48 C and the controller @ 33 C / the lsi has not temp display in its MSM so i am not sure what it is running at.
still not able to get over 75k iops on 4k random, but the 4k sequential i am hitting 133k IOPS with 4 workers.
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...9-00-38102.jpg
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...9-00-11281.jpg
Dam look at all of you guru's, im just sitting back and taking it all in, leaning learning learning :)
Most of my tests are done using 4K, looks like they are great, can't stop looking at the others though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveRo
PCMV HDD score 84072 - 3R0 Vertex 2 60GB on the Areca Link
4R0 V2 was lower :), looks like odd numbers sometimes do better.
@CT
Guess you'll have to start looking for new SSDs :)
Good morning guys,
@ Mr CT - off topic but playing with clarkdale last night, I have the 14th fastest 655k in superpi @ 5735.6MHz - http://hwbot.org/community/submissio...55k_7sec_375ms
So back on topic - your 75K 4kRR iops with how many drives? still vertex 1's?
@ Mr Anvil -
84k with only 3 drives? :shocked:
With only 1GB cache?
Can't wait to see 5, 7 and 9 drives! :up:
My controller gets hot with no airflow. Had to test :p 80celcius
Answer from Areca:
Quote:
about the temperature issue.
They really get hot and our cards is specified up to 90 degree – so no problem with
60~70c+”
Tried 16k similar results I don't understand why so low with cache below 512k fantastic results as soon as the cache size is past i.e transfering larger than cache Atto scores tumble. Anyone any ideas? I really haven't changed much config wise in the card settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveRo
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/764/areca16k.jpg
@steve-o....amazing result with teh clarkdale, like i was saying, you can kick serious ass with that gear~! it actually didnt suprise me one bit you reached that high....knowing you in a few days it will be higher! :)
@ Vertex gen 1's.... i refuse to buy anything until i see the G3 specs here in two weeks. not gonna blow my wad then regret every minute of it. also, there should be some serious price decreases very soon.
@nizzen--yeah without air they do get hot, but i think the main concern would be if it was next to another card, etc, they are designed to handle the heat. hell even the ram gets hot as hell, put your hand on that stick after an hour....also wouldn't be great for ambient temps in your computers case of course....as you can see i have two 120mm over top of it, but that is overkill, used to have them up there for my tri sli aircooled so i just used what was handy...
speaking of ram sticks mine will be here in the AM, but im screwed regardless. I did a firmware flash for the sake of science, and now my card will not boot. isnt showing up in the bios either, or pre-boot. however, i can access the card from another OS (via archttp) and the array is fine. I am in contact with areca trying to see what is what. i just flashed it with the firmware included with the card, so i am not sure wth is going on...getting anxious though, took a few days off from work for this bench session, now the card is not booting...put the card on two of my other rigs, same deal. no boot. then pulled out my 9260 and tested to rule out the possibility of my hardware being the issue, and it works on the rigs, so i am waiting...
good thing is they are open all night by USA time, so i will be getting some help here very soon...
got some screenies i will be posting in a few...
@devitto...man atto can be confused sometimes, try some crystal disk mark, and iometer, also do this:
elevate cmd prompt to admin status
type in:
winsat disk
at the cmd prompt.
show us what you get plz :)
ok so doing some comparisons with read ahead, no read ahead, etc. so just some screenies here..
in some situations (when using cache) the no read ahead is faster.
read ahead on the left, no read ahead on the right, for all following benches...
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...e1/256mbRA.pnghttp://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...ie1/256NRA.png
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u.../1gbfileRA.pnghttp://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...ie1/1GBNRA.png
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...e1/100mbRA.pnghttp://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...1/100mbNRA.png
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...1/1000mbRA.pnghttp://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u.../1000mbNRA.png
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...1/2000mbRA.pnghttp://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u.../2000mbNRA.png
not bad for some old vertexes, but still i have gotten better results at some stuff (esp high qd 4k) with the 9260-8i
EDIT: Back up and running again!
hay guys how r u?
i just logged in to see how r u doing and as i see u r doing perfect so just to rock the boat let me post u something :D
Long time no see Tilt :)
The LSI lineup is still great, no doubt about it, will be comparing as soon as I get some time.
Still using 8 drives?
yeah 8 intels nice to see u again anvil :D
Welcome back Mr Tilt - nice numbers!
Nice to see you too Tilt :)
Looks like I'm finally getting FP, ordered early May, had to reorder, different vendor, long story.
A lot of exciting stuff going on :)
did u try to buy it from the US??
@Mr CT - 1GB or 4GB for the benches you just posted?
Also - 8x Vertex 1's yes?
A little hard to do direct compare because not apples to apples but compare CT's latest numbers to the -
1231ML-4GB, 5x acards - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...03&postcount=1
1231ML-4GB, 4x x25v - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=141
Initial indications I see - based on benches posted so far - the 1880 should be the new pcmv king of the hill. :up:
I think for just out of the blocks - 1880 is looking very good! :)
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Tiltevros
They wouldn't ship to norway
Should have it by NeXT week
What about 2x1880 in software raid? :D
Mr Nizzen, did you find a way to make it bootable?
I have not tested it yet, but it is no go to boot software raid with windows :(Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveRo
@Mr Anvil, using a virtual machine can you run a virtual windows from a software raid?
@steve-o The testfiles are listed for the individual benches:confused:..my benches dont even get close to yours :p:
one 4gb stick, from 12540 miles away! arrived pretty quick, good job UPS
now off to the benches!
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...2-25-02385.jpg
Yes, using VMWare Workstation one can run a VM on any drive, it sits on top of the host OS. (been using the 9211 for that exact thing)Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveRo
Not sure how that would work for pcmv, most operations and specifically graphics and memory runs a bit slower than running the real thing.
Would have been an interesting thing to try :)
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Computurd
Waiting......
@ CT - wow, this is the best non-softraid AS SSD I think I've seen. :up:
My best 1231-4GB with acards that I can remember is 1945.
And this with vertex 1's - very nice! :shocked:
Here you go again though isnt cache playing its part here? like I said above 512k it seems to slow down score in atto wise. Feels good in OS though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Computurd
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5725/winsat.jpg
@CT wow I need to get more drives and more cache :D should have bought a higher model I know that now.
very stoked, i am having issues with this OS image though, might need to do a reinstall..the vid driver keeps dropping on me. going to do some other tweaks (IOH voltage, pci-e bus(this is 100, it will take 108) and also pcie packets (set at 1048 will go to 4096 though)
that was literally the first bench :)
i have not yet begun to bench!
@ Mr CT - i think its time for you to take about a weeks vacation!
coming up with ARC and SSS6200 crash test on monday ;)
@steve---yeah me and tilt are in video chat, i have three days off, specifically for this purpose, so we shall see what we get! :)
Looks like 4gb memory is Areca fastpath+ :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Computurd
Nice score!
The Areca 4096MB DDR2 ECC 800MHz DIMM (ARC-1880ix) delivery is comming tomorrow I hope. If not I will be MAD :D
lol yes it is FastPath+!
having some OS issues is hampering things...but doing a cursory pcmv right now...
congrats on the memory, i dont know what the issue is with American availability. You are closer so you win! :)
@ Nizzen can u post the e-shop that u bought it plz so i can order it??
www.iwill.no :up:
I do not know if they are shipping outside Norway.
Small firm with super service! 2.5 employees :)
@nizzen have you tried pci-e overclock yet?
@Tilt
The new LSI PCIe "SSD" looks great, 150,000 iops + :)
Seagate Pulsar SSDs?
@CT
wow, AS SSD score of > 2000, :)
My 1880 is currently running at pci-e 105, will try something higher once I've removed the 9211.