Samsung announces the EcoGreen F4 1.5TB & 2TB hard drives

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08-03-2010, 12:31 AM
onethreehill

Samsung announces the Spinpoint F4EG 1.5TB & 2TB hard drives

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Samsung Electronics has today unveiled to the world its latest EcoGreen series storage products, the 1.5TB and 2TB EcoGreen F4 3.5-inch hard drives featuring three 667GB platters and a 23% lower power consumption in standby compared to their predecessors (F3EG models).

The new drives have a SATA 3.0 Gbps interface, 32MB of buffer memory, Native Command Queuing, and make use of the SilentSeek and NoiseGuard technologies for a quieter operation.

"Storage-hungry multimedia professionals, gamers and home PC users continue to increase the amount of video, music, photo and other personal data they store and back-up," said I.C. Park, vice president, Storage Sales, Semiconductor Business, Samsung Electronics. "The F4EG delivers all the benefits of a low-power drive yet features top performance quality and is environmentally friendly."

http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/h...tb-hard-drives
08-03-2010, 12:53 AM
Johnny87au

thanks mate, wonder if their faster then the f3's? i know power n noise is alot better but yeh..
08-03-2010, 01:47 AM
madcho

666gb/plater, was long, but it's good stuff :D
08-03-2010, 02:30 AM
Origin_Unknown

i wonder how they perform in a raid enviroment?
08-03-2010, 04:56 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Performance should be about same (prolly slightly slower 108~112MB/s vs 116~119MB/s) as F3 if the trend continues (this is a F2 replacement, F2 is 500GB & 5400rpm and ~85MB/s avg reads). 5400rpm & 667GB F4 vs 7200rpm & 500GB F3. That's some really tempting storage drives tho, I'm glad I waited a bit b4 picking up another 1.5/2TB drive to replace my aging 4x Maxtor DiamondMax 10 300GB. xD

From the article:

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Both the 1.5TB and 2TB EcoGreen F4 HDDs are set to start shipping in September and cost up to $119.99.

Hmm, that has to be worded wrong $119.99 for 2TB sounds like too good to be true.
08-03-2010, 12:03 PM
Nintendork

Current WD Green 2TB is about $139. For 3 platters $119 should be doable.
08-03-2010, 12:19 PM
RPGWiZaRD

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Originally Posted by Nintendork

Current WD Green 2TB is about $139. For 3 platters $119 should be doable.

Oh prices have dropped that much on 2TB already? Samsung is usually cheapest and Ecogreen F2 1.5TB version can be had at newegg for $89.99, so I suppose it could be possible especially for 3 platters that it jumps right there at $119.99. If that's the case sign me up for one. :D
08-03-2010, 12:44 PM
Nintendork

Oh, WD Green is now $119 xD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136514

I was waiting some tree platter offers to add 2 more drivers for my 1080p small collection.
08-03-2010, 02:54 PM
RPGWiZaRD

I swear it costed a lot more last time I checked. But after reading some more it seems like WD silently updated the 2TB drive with 667GB platter version recently, which would explain the price drop.
08-03-2010, 03:05 PM
PrometheusCon

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Originally Posted by Nintendork

Oh, WD Green is now $119 xD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136514

I was waiting some tree platter offers to add 2 more drivers for my 1080p small collection.

And it was $100 with a coupon a few days ago!
08-03-2010, 03:09 PM
zanzabar

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Originally Posted by Nintendork

Oh, WD Green is now $119 xD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136514

I was waiting some tree platter offers to add 2 more drivers for my 1080p small collection.

because every1 wants a WD black/re4 that failed testing.

this should be good but i would like to see it at $100 as the f3g is $120 now and this has less platters.
08-03-2010, 04:08 PM
Serra

Alright, another player in the "eco" arena for the 666GB platters! Hopefully that will put everyone on track for a late Q3/Q4 release of some 7200rpm drives - preferably 4-platter - to distinguish their brand.
10-02-2010, 06:25 AM
onethreehill

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Originally Posted by zanzabar

because every1 wants a WD black/re4 that failed testing.

this should be good but i would like to see it at $100 as the f3g is $120 now and this has less platters.

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4 HD204UI 2TB is $100 @newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152245
10-02-2010, 06:38 AM
madcho

nice price. let's wait for 3TB, 7200rpm hard drive.
10-02-2010, 06:41 AM
AAbenson

...does that translate to 1200Gigs and 1800Gigs for the 3 platter when formatted...:confused:
10-02-2010, 06:50 AM
blindbox

http://www.google.com.my/search?q=66...ient=firefox-a

2 trillion bytes. In hard disk world, yes, that's 2 TB.

It's more on the fault of calculation hard disk makers considers 2 TB as 2 trillion bytes, while computer calculates 2 199 023 255 552 bytes as 2 TB.

Anyway, to answer your question, yeh, 1.8 TB once formatted (and 1.8 TB as well before formatting).
10-02-2010, 07:10 AM
Metroid

These drives had another price drop on Thursday.
10-02-2010, 07:28 AM
AAbenson

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Originally Posted by blindbox

http://www.google.com.my/search?q=66...ient=firefox-a

2 billion bytes. In hard disk world, yes, that's 2 TB.

i dont understand what youre talking about:(
just thought that the OP may know if its real 2tera or the same marketing crap like the current (F2,F3 samsung) situation with no real 2T

anyways Samsung has a history of mixing up models with different platter capacities like for example the F1 series had models with both 333Gigs(unformatted) and 250Gigs(unformatted)
...im just wondering how do they arrive at 1.5tera- be it formatted or unformatted,if all new platters(667 unformatted) then 2 platters are not enough to get you to 1.5 tera even less so if formatted.
at least the current 3 platter F3/F2s give you 1.5tera when unformatted and around 1380gigs being useful.

WD has also started using the 667 platters in their green line.
10-02-2010, 08:00 AM
Nintendork

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4 HD204UI 2TB is $100 @newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152245

Great! Now I need them in my country ASAP xD.
10-02-2010, 08:11 AM
Tech Dav

it seems like it's been stuck on 2TB for years , how come ?
10-02-2010, 08:40 AM
RPGWiZaRD

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4 HD204UI 2TB is $100 @newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152245

Wow, good price, I bet over here they are gonna cost 100 - 110 EUR. I could use one though to replace my 4x300GB Maxtor DiamondMax10, some retirement could be useful after 4-6 or so years of almost 24/7 use. :p
10-02-2010, 09:17 AM
Nikolasz

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Originally Posted by Tech Dav

it seems like it's been stuck on 2TB for years , how come ?

Agree 1 saw my uncle using 1tb hardrive 4 years
Where are 10tb drives?
10-02-2010, 10:53 AM
RejZoR

Why EcoCrap, why not SpinPoint F4 2TB. A motherf**king fast and big drive!?
10-02-2010, 02:12 PM
turbox997

Quote:

Originally Posted by AAbenson

i dont understand what youre talking about:(
just thought that the OP may know if its real 2tera or the same marketing crap like the current (F2,F3 samsung) situation with no real 2T

anyways Samsung has a history of mixing up models with different platter capacities like for example the F1 series had models with both 333Gigs(unformatted) and 250Gigs(unformatted)
...im just wondering how do they arrive at 1.5tera- be it formatted or unformatted,if all new platters(667 unformatted) then 2 platters are not enough to get you to 1.5 tera even less so if formatted.
at least the current 3 platter F3/F2s give you 1.5tera when unformatted and around 1380gigs being useful.

WD has also started using the 667 platters in their green line.

It's standard practise, as the poster above defined 1 Terabyte, it's not just Samsung's "evil marketing scheme", all HDD manufacturers use the same calculation to present their HDD's.

Samsung doesn't have a history of mixing up platters either, again standard practise by all makers(WD, Seagate, Hitachi.etc), same thing, I'll use WD as an example of how they do the same thing, the first generation "Black" drives featured up to 333 GB platters, but did all Black drives make use of the full 333 GB platters? No.

Ie: WD Black 500 GB(250GB platters), 640 GB(320 GB platters), 750 GB(250 GB platters) and 1 TB(333 GB Platters)

So it's not just Samsung's "crap marketing", all companies do it for the sake of niche markets, some people do not want Hard drives with 1TB capacity, so the manufacturers have made smaller, less expensive ones, using the same platter, but hampered.
10-03-2010, 03:16 AM
3NZ0

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Originally Posted by RejZoR

Why EcoCrap, why not SpinPoint F4 2TB. A motherf**king fast and big drive!?

Because it's not only stupid but pointless to buy a hard drive over 1tb for performance reasons.

If you want performance, you'd go ssd or if you still needed space, vraptor/sas. Anything over 1tb is seen as a storage drive these days. Sure you can go and get your seagate xt or black 2tb but I've used them and they are crap and you can't boot from gpt unless you have an efi.

They hog power, produce an enormous amount of heat (black 2tb's need serous airflow), are very noisy and not that much quicker.

I've replaced my black 2tb's with eco f4's and it's one of the best moves I've made. I'll be replacing a batch of 1tb blacks in my server with them.
10-03-2010, 07:23 AM
RejZoR

Um dude, 2TB drives boot just fine. It's 3TB that can't boot from regular BIOS boards... And why would you buy a Velociraptor when WD Caviar Black 2TB is faster in anything but raw access time? For less money. Yet still faster than most "green" and "eco" drives. And 5 years warranty. What's stupid is using super expensive SSD just for a boot drive. That's something i'll never understand. I'll go SSD when i'll be able to use SSD for everything.

And what's the most hilarious statement is that Black's are "power hogs". Says a guy with 3x GTX480 in his system... Even 6x 2TB drives like in your case use as much as a graphic card from 10 years ago. In short, does anyone really care about drives consumption (apart from those Eco/Green nonsense freaks)!?
10-03-2010, 12:35 PM
Eastcoasthandle

Are there any HD-tune/HD-tach results?
10-03-2010, 04:22 PM
570091D

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Originally Posted by RejZoR

Um dude, 2TB drives boot just fine. It's 3TB that can't boot from regular BIOS boards... And why would you buy a Velociraptor when WD Caviar Black 2TB is faster in anything but raw access time? For less money. Yet still faster than most "green" and "eco" drives. And 5 years warranty. What's stupid is using super expensive SSD just for a boot drive. That's something i'll never understand. I'll go SSD when i'll be able to use SSD for everything.

And what's the most hilarious statement is that Black's are "power hogs". Says a guy with 3x GTX480 in his system... Even 6x 2TB drives like in your case use as much as a graphic card from 10 years ago. In short, does anyone really care about drives consumption (apart from those Eco/Green nonsense freaks)!?

i'm sorry, but you're going to have to show me some proof that a caviar is faster than a velociraptor.

and considering how many people (even here) are now aware of how much power they are using, it's now becoming such a large part of the market that a company COULDN'T ignore them without serious impact to their market share.
10-03-2010, 05:13 PM
onethreehill

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

Are there any HD-tune/HD-tach results?

Some info here
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...php?p=17302763
10-03-2010, 08:21 PM
RejZoR

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i'm sorry, but you're going to have to show me some proof that a caviar is faster than a velociraptor.

and considering how many people (even here) are now aware of how much power they are using, it's now becoming such a large part of the market that a company COULDN'T ignore them without serious impact to their market share.

Sorry, what!? Have read that like 10 times and i still couldn't make any sense out of it. All the eco nonsense is really ridiculous in 2 cases. Hard drives with power consumption of just ~10W (and that aren't server class where you expect clusters of them and where differences might even realistically show) and "green" graphic cards that eat 170W+ and are called "green", just because they use 5W less than the casual non green version. Pure marketing nonsense.

As for the proof:
http://www.oc-lab.si/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5053

WD2001FASS at the upper part is my Caviar Black 2TB, WD3000GLFS is the 300GB Velociraptor.
10-04-2010, 10:38 AM
3NZ0

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Originally Posted by RejZoR

What's stupid is using super expensive SSD just for a boot drive.

I was going to take your post seriously and respond until I read that.

Then I realised it was a wind up/troll.
10-31-2010, 08:00 PM
onethreehill

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4 HD204UI 2TB is available @newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152245
10-31-2010, 08:02 PM
Sparky

5400RPM? Meh. Is there really that much power savings to be worth the slower speed? If it is like 1W then whatever....
10-31-2010, 08:18 PM
[XC] Synthetickiller

I'm getting the 2TB F4EG drive this week. I can see how it performs. I bought a 7200 rpm Hitachi 2TB drive b/c I wanted fast start up etc.

I store all of my data on a file server, so even when i queue up music to play or watch a movie, that drive has to turn on, spin up and move the data over cat5e. My old 1.5tb F2 was painfully slow to start up.

I get why people might want performance drives for data. Waiting 10 seconds when you have an SSD for OS just hurts.

Btw, I payed $89 for my 2TB sammy drive. This 1.5TB should be less..

Are they short stroking it or something?
11-01-2010, 12:52 AM
R101

I bought 4x2TB F4s. Very silent, solid speed and good price. :up:
11-01-2010, 08:51 AM
grimREEFER

anyone ever rma a samsung drive?
do they offer advanced replacement like seagate and western digital?
11-03-2010, 06:05 AM
Stukov

If people are interested in these drives you can get them for $90US with promo code right now on Newegg. EMCZYNW48 is promo code and you have to add it after the drive is in your cart. Free shipping too. I just bought one as I've been waiting around for a reliable, cheap, 1TB+ drive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152245