Hi , im looking for a 4x120 rad for sflex f @ 800 rpm push/pull
Which one do you recommend?
Also, if i use two of them, is better go parallel or serial? is there any differences?
Thanks :up:
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Hi , im looking for a 4x120 rad for sflex f @ 800 rpm push/pull
Which one do you recommend?
Also, if i use two of them, is better go parallel or serial? is there any differences?
Thanks :up:
Price/performancy wise probably nothing can beat Swiftech MCR420. Half the price of best rads at 90% performance. And with getting two of them for same price you get 1.8x better cooling :). If money no object, go for XSPC RX480 or Black Ice SR1 480. I also would advise using Scythe Gentle Typhoon-s on rads instead of sflexes. Also quiet rads but better pressure to blow through rads, and many say that quiet enough upto 1000-1100rpm. +ball bearing=better for horizontal rad/fan placement. Rad flow restriction is too small compared to restriction of modern waterblocks to care about parallelising their flow. Go for simpliest - serial. Imho with that much rads you can rather think of splitting loops.
What he said. But I would still put the radiators in parallel. It wouldn't make much of a difference, but there is a difference nonetheless. And I'm definitely for using every advantage I can get. If you have 2 of the same radiators, put them in parallel or if you want simple tubing put them in series.
I already have 10 sflex f :p thats why i will use them.
What is for you horizontal ? it can be different things depending on the point of view :p
Nanometer: buy putting rads in parallel you might gain maybe 5% in flow .. but i wonder if rad efficiency won't suffer from that, as halved flow in each of them = less turbulence and because of that i'm guessing possible little less heat dissipation. Also more spending on fittings (eg. for quality Y fittings, that won't cut flow like some 90deg ones), more overcomplified tubing.. It's purely theoretical speculation though, with no real test numbers behind.
Eh? Since when horizontal and vertical can be confused? :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward88
Maybe he's asking whether the length/width/height is horizontal/vertical.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
Series or parallel for the rads makes little diff in cooling. Figuring out the parallel routing, cost of parallel fittings etc matters. I'd only go parallel if you got so much on one loop your worried about flow rates, paralleling rads would help a bit.
As far as the rad size and brand, it really depens on the heatload. If you way overrad and silence is the key, then spend the extra cash on some SR-1 etc type rads with LOW FPI density, great with low speed fans. If you need a bit more heat removal and don't mind a bit higher RPM (1200) the Swiftech MCR series rocks. If you over rad DEPENDING ON YOUR HEATLOAD you can run pretty close to silent, a very low hum from the PC.
Please understand the diff in rads and plan for your heatload FIRST.
Not the best choice in fans for watercooling, low pressure through the rads. You WANT a LOW FPI rad that can cool with those rather weak fans. They will work, but your concept of big massive rads would do maybe okay.
what is parallel? sorry, im a water cooling noobQuote:
Originally Posted by Nanometer
Splitting the water flow so part of it goes through one radiator, and part through the other, and then joining it all back together after the radiators.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobisgod
For our pump applications, I would imagine that the turbulence of the water would not be as critical as gaining back that extra head pressure. Both of these would be small anyways. Measuring this would be near impossible, only paper calculations could be as accurate to show the answer.
If you make a decision on a 120.4, frozencpu has a good deal on the Freser TFC -- http://www.frozencpu.com/products/78...?tl=g30c95s667
Wow, for $15 over the MCR I would pick that up for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
Wish I hadn't just finished my "updated" build a few days ago and promised myself (and the woman) I wouldn't upgrade for awhile :rofl:
what about the EK XT480??
. . .and it's still overpriced considering the MCR works better in the RPM range he's looking to use his fans in. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tool_462
Yeah I realize that, I was thinking for me not for the OP :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
I have a broken in half MCR-420 (2 x 220's :rolleyes:) and they love my S-Flex F's.
Swiftech if you're on a budget.
Thermochill or HWLabs SR-1 are both pretty nice, but cost more.
I own all Thermochill rads, and one Swiftech. The Swiftech isn't bad, but you can definately tell it's a cheaper rad than the Thermochill. A buddy of mine has one of the HWlabs SR-1's and they are very nice as well. After holding his rad and messing with it for a few minutes, I kind of wish I had gone with those instead as the finish on them is much nicer than Thermochill's.
I use swiftech mcr before, great rads for the price but im looking for xtreme silence now, so i need low fpi rads.
In the loop i will use:
Bitspower full cover block for asus r2e
Bitspower mosfets blocks for asus
Watercool HK 3.0
Ek 5870 block
Ek multioption v2
Ek dual d5 top single loop
Also 4 QD from Koolance
Which rads fits better here?
The silence of the rad is more dependent on the fans used than the FPI. Stick some 1150 or 1450 GT's on the MCR and see if you hear it then. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward88
This entire setup will replace everything you listed and is waterlog approved:
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Produc...C=1444&ID=1776
:rofl: yes, this one is approved. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Edit: Odd the link didn't work the first time but now it does. The one in the working link is not approved. :p:
I will use Sflex F fans, i already have them . . .
Which rad fits best this fans @ 800 rpm.
The rads will be verticaly placed
I'd still go with the MCR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward88
Again, if price isn't an issue, then you can't go wrong with HWLabs SR-1 series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward88
Stay away from Thermaltake crap as well :yepp:
All your answers if you sit down and make an effort to learn and work at it. Once the stuff is at your door your stuck. Figure it out, we have given you the links to learn and become informed. 800 RPM is pretty low, you better have a low FPI rad........Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward88
Ohh, here is the link again.....
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=250927
http://www.skinneelabs.com/
Well, half of that statement is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrotie
Again, even if price wasn't an issue, the MCR still performs as well as the SR1 in that fan RPM range. This is for the 360 version but they all scale up the same for the 420.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4...0275slidel.jpg
I simply don't understand the "it costs more so it must be better" mentality around here lately. :shakes:
hey waterlogged, lets stop just saying the MCR is the king in all your posts. You got Swiftech stock or something? It's all you focus on anymore.........
Stock in Swiftech?. . .no. I also haven't said it's the "king".Quote:
Originally Posted by Conumdrum
Dollar for dollar, it performs as well as anything else on the market (except the GTX), so why spend more than you have to?. .and please don't say anything about a better paint job or better construction because if you do, you'll earn an ignore. The money you save on a MCR can be used on something else like more stupid BP fittings or another rad or better fans or even saved in the bank to put towards the next build/upgrade.
or a better whatever!Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
But its true, mcr is really good for the price it has.
No one can deny it.
Im between thermochill, SR-1 or swiftech. Swiftech for the price/performance, thermochill and SR-1 for the quality/performance/aesthetics
Thermaltake FTWQuote:
Originally Posted by Edward88
failQuote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
something is (very) wrong with DarthBeavis nowadaysQuote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
maybe it's something he ate :rofl:
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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
lol :ROTF:
I still stick by what I said earlier. I have (owned) Swiftech rads and they aren't bad, but they aren't top quality (paint/design/construction) like the SR-1's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Which is why my statement earlier is still a valid one. If the OP is on a tighter budget, then the Swiftech makes much more sense for him. If he isn't on a budget, and is looking for a rad with top notch construction/paint/design, then again, you can't go wrong with the SR-1 series.
If you've ever held both in your hands and compared them side by side then you quickly see the differences between the two. Now performance wise, yup, you are right, they're neck and neck!
EDIT:
I'm kinda new to whole LC scene, I've completed one build so far, but in my many months of lurking and reading and scouring all the info I could, Thermaltake was one of the brands that everyone tried to stay away from. Why is Thermaltake being recommended now? (or is this sarcasim that is going completely over my head :D)
maybe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC8JVz5eDl4Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpentarius
:rofl::rofl::ROTF::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
I have not shopped for a Rad in some time but I am currently back in the market. My Thermochill 120.3 is performing ok with the 3 X 480 SC's but they are currently at stock settings and idle at 33C and load at 50C. So once I start clocking these 480's up I am pretty sure I am going to need some more Rad. If price was not a factor and Med-High speed fans were to be used to obtain max performance what 480 Rad would you guys recommend then? I was looking at the Feser X-Changer 480mm Xtreme Performance Radiator . The SR-1 and XSPC were also on my list to look at. But because noise isn't really a factor for me being that you hear the compressor running from my Phase unit anyways I was thinking about getting a HWLabs GTX480 and use Scythe UK3's since I already have 4 of them sitting here. What are your guys thought on this? Thanks...
Well, I've been water cooling since '03 and have a BIP I, BIX I X-Flow, BIX II X-Flow, BIGTS 120, Thermochill PA120.1, PA120.2, and a MCR120. Construction wise, the MCR isn't any different than the Black Ice rads. They all use brass tubes, tanks and fan mounts with copper fins. The Thermochill have brass tubes and tanks, copper fins and steel fan mounts which doesn't really seem to improve or hurt the rad at all, just makes it a little heavier. The GTS is the only one that still has a decent looking paint job (probably due to me not using it because it sucks). Paint is cheap and you can do some interesting things with a custom paint job yourself or you could get some professional painter to powder coat or electrostatically coat it with epoxy paint with the money you saved on the rad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrotie
Two Swiftech MCR420. If you have room/pumping power. It's the same price as one F*&%r X09378r.Quote:
Originally Posted by Section8
I just put together a loop with a Thermochill PA 120.4. Guess when you see such good results from the 120.3 you'd think the big brother is just better. Here's to product reliability.
Not sure if you saw this, but I am pretty sure this would seal the deal for the Swiftech:
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmcqupo4xbl.html
$70
You just can't stop gathering weird movies of WaterLogged. If I didn't know better, I'd think you're stalking him :eek: :rofl:.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
I order two mcr 420, i think it and 1 degree and better looking dont worth 140 bucks more really
ahhh thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by urgrandpasdog
While agree with waterlogged about how good the swiftech stuff is, I think in your case you do need a HWL 480GTX. That thing dominates all when paired with high airflow fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Section8
And while 2 QP420s would probably perform better than a single 480gtx, not many people have that much room in their case
BTW, i'm running the HWL 480gtx and i have 2 swifty qp 320, and the difference i see is that some of the paint has chipped of the swifty and some parts are noticeably not black. Same deal with the HWL 480gtx but to a lesser extent. However, i do find some fin damage with the 480GTX, but it doesn't leak.
Quality wise, i'd give a slight edge to HWL, but bang for buck = swiftech all the way. Their gpu/cpu blocks are awesome too (bought the XT for 55, and mcw 80 for 44)
Thanks for the input. I think I am going to go with the HWL 480GTX. Is there a place I can buy a pre-made shroud for it? Also what Rad grills are you guys using for your 480 Rad's? I only found the Bitspower 480 Rad grill and the MNPCTech Pro-line 4x120mm Rad grill. The Bitspower has a mesh that I am not real excited about and the MNPCTech is stupid expensive at $90.00. Any other options out there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadrapole
MNPCTech Pro-line 4x120mm
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...g480-SL_01.jpg
Bitspower 4 X 120mm Rad Grill
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...480A-SL_01.jpg
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Originally Posted by churchy
Thanks that is nice but I would need it in silver. :(
I've used MCR 320, PA120.3, PA 160 and even a BIX something or rather...
honestly... i have to vote for MCR as well.
not only for the price... but also for the amount of space it requires to cool on par with the other THICKER rads...
as for paint jobs... meh... yea, HWLabs had much nicer paintjobs... but thems mofos are THICK...and fitting em in the case was tough.
HWlabs are not just THICK, also WIDE (fighting now with HWL's 140mm rad shroud width being centimeter wider then 5.25 enclosure space unlike 140mm rads of other vendors :( )