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I stumbled on this. Video of the new TJ11 at CeBit. Here's the video. Scroll to about :40 into the video.
http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/1...re-of-gps.aspx
It looks like my new build.
90 degree-ATX like a Raven/Fortress, Bottom like TJ07 for Radiators, and lots of space for other goodies~!
I wouldn't say it blows it out of the water, for one I see too much plastic. I don't care for vertically mounted video cards, and Silverstone seems to think this is pure genius in their other hideous cases. It pretty much looks like the Raven but bigger, but that's with the limited amount of good video from that clip.
blah~ negative.
if you listened, the rep is saying this is madd early proto-type. They just got finished building the night before and they used "plastic parts" for mock-up.
"The new flagship for the next 2 years.."
Why would you have the motherboard vertically. that means all your cables for the VGA, USB, Network are all coming out of the top of your case.
YUKKKKKK is all i have to say.
Oh it's perfect. Switch it up with the 90 degree mo-bo. I have been waiting for a case with enough space on the bottom for dual-quad radiators. Now i don't gotta look further than Silverstone.
And to think i was about to mod the hell out of a RV01 to make it look like the MAINGEAR Shift. *Whew~!*
I wonder how long until it's released. I'm thinking 3-4 months?
So far I have yet to see a vertically mounted video card setup that is water cooled that looks appealing. This will just made tube routing worse.
I really don't like the direction Silverstone has been going, but if it floats your boat, go for it.
I'm sure they will have some more info about it at Computex in a couple of days, but to break the news is a nice thing~
Honestly, i've always wanted the TJ07 for it's looks and capability, but being fairly new to modding (6 monther) it's nice to have a blank slate for me to begin. Ya digg'
Scubar: check raven RV02 and fortress FT02 cases. With some cover over cables it looks neat enough (or even better then some classic cable placement i'd say).
Maingear one is same RV01 OEM made for them, with different front panel. Overpriced as hell.
yea, and they won't let you buy just the parts for the case, because really anyone reading these forums, has got the know-how to build it themselves.
We just want the case, mang~!
To be honest, I really like the vertical orientation. I disagree that it makes routing tubes harder, as I chose this orientation in Eldritch because it allowed me to fit two giant radiators in such a way that the tubing was minimalistic.
As for cables coming out the top--it doens't have to be ugly. All it takes are a few L adapters and a shroud and it should look much cleaner than having a ton of cables coming out the back (which is usually unfinished aluminum.)
I'm not saying I like this case, because I'm not impressed, but the concept still is good and good things can come from it.
My opinions, of course..;)
I wish Silverstone would drop this 90˚ rotation on mainboards already.
I have to say a categorical no to this case because it has appaling ventilation and interior design. I think the TJ07 is their best case although I am not head over heels for it. Silverstone nailed it real good with the TJ08 microATX case which is the best in its class.
Imho properly organised 90˚ rotation results in relatively more compact hardware layout. Silverstone FT02 would be my ideal case if only it would be ~ 7.5 cm higher :/. Compact for possible components case, good dust protection, good air cooling, superb non pop stylish clean looks .. and no place for good full thickness liquid cooling rads with extra fans if long gpus like 5970 are used :(
In these days of HOT graphics cards, by the time there are waterblocks fitted they are heavy too. For that reason alone I would consider this layout. I will wait on reviews for the next most important things for me....airflow/radmounting
I absolutely hate that 90 degree mobo rotation, IMHO it looks absolutely terrible.
TJ07 is still king. Follow closely by some of Lian Li's flagship cases.
I am totally with Blue Aqua on this one, I do not like the direction Silverstone is taking their cases AT ALL.
I'm just diggin' the innovation of it all. It all started with the HP Voodoo Omen
http://www.expreview.com/img/news/20...oo_omen_02.jpg
then they just kept runnin' with it. Maybe it isn't the best for everyone, but it's different. I sure as hell wouldn't want a bunch of vanilla looking PC cases. That to me says something. We gotta keep this goin'. The passion of building a case, the time and energy in planning and putting together the right parts to create OUR OWN interpretation of what a computer is to us.
I spend a great deal of time on my PC and Laptop & it's become an extension of myself. The faster the processor, the faster the productivity. Anyways, all i'm sayin' is that it's about time this whole "modding" & "overclocking" thing stepped it up. Let's get out of the stereotype of "geeks & nerds & the such".
I really look at this as the Gen-Y's car culture. We don't soup up our cars, we soup up our Comps!
Anyways, i'm just riding the wave~!
Dude Misterhan, you seem to be pretty biased in this thread. To an extent, it kinda seems like you are advertising the case :shakes:
My opinion? Get rid of that vertical 90 degree mobo crap, it doesn't work at all; to me, it's all market hype. And as other people said, there's way too many plastic in the case. Anybody still remember the craftsmanship of the TJ07? That is what's lacking from this case.
I think Silverstone is slowly transforming itself from being a reputable, high-end case maker into some other case makers, such as Thermaltake or Cooler Master. That is not good.
Mods can we close this thread. I plan on making a dedicated TJ11 thread.
Thanks in advance~!
You should be like a Silverstone Rep, you are so darned biased...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by misterhan
I have been waiting and searching for the perfect case, and I had huge hopes when the hints about the TJ11 coming this summer surfaced. I am happy to say that this has met everything I had hoped from it assuming something like TJ07 style grilles in the bottom (I couldn't tell from the video).
I am not 100% sure of the rotated ATX but it hides cables nicely and my top priority was a case with the motherboard mounted on the opposite side: either inverted ATX or rotated ATX like this.
Dunno about the looks, I much prefer the angular design of Lian Li's V2100 series. Those WERE the TRUE Modder's Cases. The new 2010/2110 are nice too but the old ones were REALLY nice and MUCH better looking than the TJ07/11 in my opinion.
I mean take a look at what Kobalt has done with the Lian Li V2110B, even though there is a bit too much green. xD
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/101...achex58sli.jpg
Oh and don't forget, Silverstone is pretty much copying Lian Li with their 3x2 HDD bays in the bottom portion of the case. Not to mention the whole seperate compartments started with the Lian Li V1000/2000 series which dated back to 2004?
I really like the vertical orientation, it works for me
I think Misterhan's just excited about a design he likes. Plus, to be fair, even the rep said there is too much plastic in it for the prototype, and the finished version will be "of all Eyh-loom-in-um."Quote:
Originally Posted by lkiller123
I don't like this case, but I do see value in the rotated board (though that's just my opinion. :) Mainly because with double GPU cards the blocks get darn heavy and without support it can be a bit scary sometimes...
At the same time I haven't seen a production case that has pulled off the vertical arrangement :shakes:--so I completely agree with you there.
tj-07>all..
If they put the PSU like raven02 and FT02 is going to be one word AWSOME, 2 quad radiators down is total madness! can't wait for computex
Sorry, but did you hear the part about the rep saying this is early proto-type. They just got finished building the case couple of days before and they used "plastic parts" for the mock-up, and the final version will be 100% aluminumQuote:
Originally Posted by lkiller123
Didn't see enough to form an opinion one way or the other. Meh. Wait and see.
New design offers smaller front to rear footprint, and separate PSU/HDD compartment, BUT has smaller MB compartment with only two intake fans pushing up. The question is, where are those intake fans drawing cool air from and are they higher CFM than those in the RV02, which really suffered from lack of flow to push hot air out, esp with triple SLI as shown. I'm skeptical this would solve the problems the Rv02 has, but since they insisted on showing it at Cebit with 3 GPUs no less and claim it will be their flagship tower case for the next 2 yrs, I'll wait and see how it fares in the reviews. Even though I've become less interested in Silverstone's cases since hearing some of the negative feedback on the RV02, I do like that they listen to customers and take them seriously.
Wow does that not blow the tj07 out of the water.... it looks like a raven design, raven fans raven hdd cages just looks like your average case compared to the 07
What makes me skeptical is the rep in the vid made it sound like they just slapped a prototype together in haste to show it at Cebit, as if they had not even compared it thermally to previous designs. Otherwise you'd think he would have mentioned that they had tested it to have superior cooling to them. To just claim it has all the best features of previous designs with nothing mentioned about performance comparisons though, esp after saying it's to be their flagship case for 2 yrs, just sounds a bit weak. I'm sure part of it could have been that the SS rep in the vid may have thought he'd have more time to talk to the guys doing the vid, and maybe didn't get a chance to say that, or if it was said, wasn't included in the clip due to time constraints on the length of the piece.
Anyways, don't know if it will do any good yet, but I'm waiting to hear back from SS HQ in the US to see if they can fill me in on any details, including USB3 support if any, how it gets intake air for the MB compartment (I assume from the back panel), and the CFM rating of the intake fans. Of utmost importance however, will be asking if it's been tested thermally against previous designs. The gal at SS US HQ said they will probably know a lot more about it in about a week, after another one of the trade shows.
+1 :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onoff312
I'll agree about not liking the 90˚ rotation, but it does seem to bring up some new thinking on airflow.
It should be interesting to see a more finalized version.
Has anyone seen anything on the RV03? I heard it was going to be introduced at Computex is all.
Better FT03 (hopefully bigger) then RV03 :)
SS US HQ just told me they'll have an actual build of the TJ11 after Computex this weekend.
i wish silverstone would revise their TJ07 model instead ...
yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpentarius
USB 3.0 and some cable management holes would go a long way.
!00% agree!!! BUT, I'll bet Silverstone is trying to get away from that 1-piece bent extruded aluminum frame on the TJ07. You know that outer frame has to be a QC nightmare!Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpentarius
Looks like building the tj07 was a great idea.. this case is a pos.
TTIUWOP! Needs moar pix!
I don't think this case will live up to the legend of the TJ07, but this doesn't mean it'll be bad. The TJ series will always be quality chassis line but I think Silverstone will struggle to make another TJ07.
True that don't really care about the usb's but cable management holes are kind of a given on a case that costs $200+ and has been in the market for so damn long. I do love mine but having to mod it to make it pretty much usable was annoying it also needs a place to properly secure hdds when fitted with watercooling and maybe proper rad support up the top of the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by xdarthveganx
It looks like a TJ07 but with the mobo tray at 90 degrees instead. Either way I love both cases but the 11 certainly isn't that much more special that the 07.
Why even make a $350+ flagship case and assume its going to be used for air? :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing 90 degree is retarded and worthless for watercooling and I have no idea why they would ruin the new TJ by doing it.
What a backwards step.
haha i wish silverstone would see this thread.. and change the case alot.. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hmmisee
I'm so glad I went with the TJ07 lol. It's by far the best case ever=D
http://images.hardware.info/news/ct1...one-tj11-1.jpg
http://images.hardware.info/news/ct1...one-tj11-4.jpg
http://images.hardware.info/news/ct1...one-tj11-6.jpg
http://images.hardware.info/news/ct1...one-tj11-7.jpg
Price: 700EUR
Dimensions: 225 x 650 x 650 mm
2mm aluminium
9 5.25 inch bays
6 3.5 inch HDs
3 2.5 inch SSD's
Only positive side i see - looks like capable of using 140x4 rads (gtx/sr1 605mm, phobya 560 620mm)Quote:
Originally Posted by -TYPHOON-
That's it. I lost interest.Quote:
Price: 700EUR
I like the case, but, 700 EUR? That's ridiculous.
wow 700 EUR sick
Wow, I was just about to comment on how it seemed the community was bashing the thing because Silverstone DARED touch the sacrosanct TJ07, hoping to improve it.
That price tag just convinced me otherwise. What the hell, Silverstone?!
and ppl was crying about NZXT Khaos price :D still TJ11 is stunning.
Looks very unappealing to me, it's way too busy.
So far TJ07 is invincible
The top panel seems like those old-school Chieftec, and it does not fit well with the case. It still looks kind of plastic-ish to me.
I can build another computer with 700EUR
They did say that it's a VERY early prototype, so I'm taking a 'wait-and-see' stance. I see good and bad in this one, but not at horrible as FT03 and RV03.
I'd love to see what Charles will be able to do with the final product.
$700 EUR has to be a joke.
Not too shabby, I like the more-aggressive direction the case seems to be going in. Not a fan of the rotated motherboard though.
But 700EUR?? :rofl:
I really don't think it is going to be 700EUR thats just not going to happen
The case's just awesome, but 700 euro for a case? Just lol
700 euro
they must have realize if ppl are willing to pay for corsair steel case..
" we must have gotten our pricing wrong"
lol
Obsidian gave good enough combo of features/looks/etc for people to still buy it at it's price. Here? OK case, but definitely not worth announced price. And niche for those who choose "the most expensive - must be the best" is rather small.
I received a email from a Silverstone rep saying it would accommodate a XL-ATX motherboard as well as a 140.4 + 140.2 radiator in the bottom the bottom hard drive bays can be relocated to the 5 1/4" bays without mods if needed. Being able to house such large radiators alone is why this is my next case.
That's nice to know; but still not for the 700EUR price tag.
looks interesting, doesnt look like theirs alot of room to mount a quad rad unlike the tj07, Also quad SLI with waterblocks mounted vertically??? And cable management hmmm.. hopefully they bring out a more detailed video soon to see its full potential!
Yeah I tried to get a price out of him all i got was it will be competitively priced with other enthusiast cases. So I am hoping no more than $900NZD or $480EURQuote:
Originally Posted by lkiller123
It can fit a 140.4 which is over 600mm in length, the TJ07 can only fit a 120.4. Yeah Silverstone has dropped the ball on the cable management front but here's hoping the final revision might have something once the final motherboard tray is sorted. Not to sure about the waterblocks mounted vertically but I am sure it will be fine as I haven't read about any problems doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X7oaGKpaqI
Computex 2010 TJ11 is at the 6min mark and the audio is really bad but bearable.
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/Gallery/...omplex.aspx/19
Pics of the case are 19-37.
You must remember the case in the pics and video is still only a prototype. I don't personally like the 90 degree orientation but it does allow for excellent internal air flow without sacrificing the front drive bays which is a problem with the TJ07.
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I suppose I'm not alone in my disappointment, I was expecting a bit more innovation.
How likely are the majority of enthusiasts going to utilize an evga sr-2 and the like?
It's an extremely small market, and to design a case around that possibility, where you manage to drastically increase your cost/unit based on extremely small market, is just poor strategy.
If you were going to target the HPC market, that might utilize the SR-2 in numbers, creating features in the case that would satisfy that market, would have been wise. However, the HPC Market doesn't generally watercool; so those features are mute.
Yet, for the rest of us? It just seems like a huge waste of space.
At that height, they could of created something like micks case, if it was completely targeted at the W/C market (another niche in itself, but probably far larger than the SR-2 market), they cold of created both top and bottom radiators, keeping the conventional atx design or even R-ATX. Possibly Changed the mounting of the PSU to behind the motherboard, well you get the idea, innovation, creativity.... not design by committee and the marketing department.
Who knows maybe they will surprise me... but the TJ-07 remains the king.
On the other hand, I think the FT-02 is a brilliant design for Air Coolers, and if it had hot swap bays, I don't think it would lose any sales to the 800d.
There is no need for any big innovation per se, imho most customers would be happy to get already existing designs/already existing solutions with minor evolutionary changes, like size adjustments for bigger components like motherboards & 140mm rads, obsidian like cable managment and so on. Especially if such evolutionary changes might cost less then "revolutionary design" with mega exclusive and high price and new shortcomings introduced by experiments in new design.
Well it would be another market for the case if it supported the SR2 but from the email i received in its stock form it will only be able to support the UD9 and EVGA 4xSLI, if you did mod it for the SR2 you would have to remove the fans + support brackets which would leave the holes in the side panels exposed, which in my opinion would be ugly.
No thanks. Way to massive and its going to cost way to much $$$
What ??? 700 Euro for that piece of crap ? :eek: No, thanks. I'd better get 2 more TJ07 :DQuote:
Price: 700EUR
Check this out:
http://cdn.i.haymarket.net.au/Utils/...pg&h=450&w=665
I am very disappointed to see this.. First of all, the case is outrageously tall, and does not have the nice proportion the TJ07 had.
Check out the side panel cutouts - ugly as sin.
Perhaps the most disappointment comes from the lack of SR-2 support; not even 10 expansion slots!! The large footprint would be more reasonable if this case supports a larger form factor.
And for 700EUR, I will never take this case. Not even for US$200.:shakes:
Wow Wait a second, they made that monstrosity, and it doesn't support an SR-2????
So the superior cooling performance over the TJ07 is that you can fit a 4x140 radiator, and not just a 3x140?
Wow, epic failure. I certainly won't be buying it, not at 200, or 700.
Honestly 9 5.25 drives???? The 800d seems brilliant in comparison.
I agree with Wolfskin07, the Silverstone TJ07 is a classic and will always be seen as such! There's not much Silverstone can to do to make an already excellent case better, it's a modders wet dream! If you had seen Wolfskin07 beautifully modded TJ07, I believe most would see why the TJ07 is a excellent case especially for water cooling systems! I do not like the new TJ11 with the cards at a 90 degree angle, I understand why Silverstone is doing this but it just doesn't look sexy. For 700EUR I could purchase an Intel Core i7 920, Asus Rampage Formula and 6GB of tri channel memory, I will still buy the classic TJ07.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfskin07
-Systemlord
Not cool Silverstone :/
It is a shame that it doesn't support the SR2 in its stock form but then it would be even taller which wouldn't be a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by avddreamr
Yes it could support a 140.4 and 140.2 or 140.3 depending on the PSU length or 2x 120.3s with 2 full size PSUs installed, I have the TJ07 and it's a great case but having only 2 92mm fans to draw out all the heat generated by the components isn't very efficient at all now by having those 2 180mm drawing air directly from outside the case will give far better cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by avddreamr
On the one hand the TJ07 is an amazing, beautiful case. On the other hand I think we need to get out of our rut and move on. I think a large part of modding is creatively working with new ideas and new materials, and while there have been some jaw-dropping TJ07 builds in the past few months here at XtremeSystems I know that the talent that went into them can inspire a whole new fad that will take shape and mature.
I'm not saying the TJ11 is the future, but let's use this opportunity while it is in the prototype stage to be constructive in our criticism while at the same time trying to be more open to change. Yes, it is hard to be open when the prototype is so shoddy, but with some cleaner lines and a perfect aluminum finish I can see some interesting opportunities. Granted, is the 700EU pricepoint sticks I doubt I will ever be given a chance to experiment on it. :D
I can't believe Silverstone thought people would even consider spending 700EUR for the TJ11! :eek: Even if the TJ07 and the TJ11 were the same price I'd dump the TJ11 in a heart beat!
-Systemlord
i dont like the weird non one piece looking front
the things on the side are atrocious
i also really hate how they still have so many 5.25, that you would have to use for a hd if you chucked all the radiators into the bottom, i dont like having to deal with the idea of a ton of sata and sata power cables
the vent is also terrible with the panel blocking parts
and i think what is there like still 7x pci slots in the back/top, at least give us 8
TJ07 is more beautiful than TJ11, but TJ11 is larger than TJ07
this case is pure fail.. seriously..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
I have to agree. After having many Silverstone cases and loving them all, I would sell this even if I won it.
Even with a couple things I really dont like with the 800D, it blows this thing out of the water.
800D and ATCS 840 both make watercooling easy and beautiful!Quote:
Originally Posted by turtletrax
ScottALot: don't know about ATCS 840, but once you start going above 3x120 rad-wise, 800D needs lot of moding to perform. Much more so then TJ07.
Basically for a case its size, you can't get much better. Easy radiator placement, near-generous area for pump and reservoior, and the required sweet looks!! Of course, it can't match the 800D and such, but it was designed like a 50/50 air/water design.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
I have to agree. Considering the bad aura this case has been producing lately, I still feel a lot of people would rip this case apart and turn it into a masterpiece and hopefully justify the price (you never know). This is where raw talent and creativity in modding will play a huge role. However, being at this price point - a lot of peeps will hesitate if its worth a shot or not.Quote:
On the one hand the TJ07 is an amazing, beautiful case. On the other hand I think we need to get out of our rut and move on
I just cant understand having all the wires from my case popping out of the top :shrug:
I mean that is repugnant. I mean damn. Put them out the front and get it over with...
Plus they really gotta lose the crappy optical cage slot covers. The suck on the TJ-07 and in the pics of the TJ-11 you can see all the way into the damn case.
that is too large,
I like the front of the case but the rest is a dissapointment. Im sure theres many people here who could of made/designed a better looking and more practical case in terms of watercooling.
The TJ07 still wins for me over the TJ11
Nothing in the TJ series is cost effective enough to even be worth considering as far as I'm concerned. I'd much rather see the money spent go to useful, functional features than lavish aesthetics like curved, extruded aluminum. TJ should stand for Tier Junkie.
Plastic parts ... just no
I guess im just spoilt with lian li :D
is it made of gold? Obsidian or Lian-li's thing or even TJ07 all the way
I saw the case for real in japan last month. It was the aluminum panel prototype, not the plastic one. You could put ud9 gigabyte mobo quad sli . It was easy to take out all hdd bracket from bottom and put them in front without any tool. So you can get a 540 rad in it without any effort. The fans get the air from the side and the airflow was really strong. In japan we have a lian li x2120 in exhibition in a shop nearby so I could compare. The silverstone cannot take sr2 mobo but has a lot more options. I also like the hidden ssds slots. I was like you when I saw the 1st prototype but I love this one. If you don t mod, it s great case, not many things to do to setup a water-cooling monster.
My only complaint was the lack of wheels.