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GTX 480 and GTX 470 Reviews
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Glad to see ixbt on the list,their sample is hitting 95c :eek:
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A thread without rumors, nv marketing slide reposts or live blog citations, but with actual reviews.
Thank you, onethreehill. Very much so.
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Originally Posted by
p2501
A thread without rumors, nv marketing slide reposts or live blog citations, but with actual reviews.
Hard to believe that's been going on for more than 6 months!!
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Originally Posted by
zerazax
Hard to believe that's been going on for more than 6 months!!
They definitely didn't fail at keeping us excited.
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i have a feeling a refresh is going to be here soon, just like the GTX 285, fixed the broken GTX 280. Like the GTX 280, the 480 runs hot! i bet were gonna see alot of burned chips, or chips going into bog mode because of heat, why nvidia was this late and this bad.
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so it looks strong on geometry weak on textures, i cant wait to see how high it clocks so we know if the gf100 or rv870 is the fastest gpu
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Originally Posted by
RaZz!
Great ! Thanks :up:
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Damnit, seems Guru3d can't keep up with the load.
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Originally Posted by
RaZz!
From conclusion:
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What surprised me was the fact that say from 1280x1024 up-to 1920x1200 NVIDIA seems stronger than the competition. And at 2560x1600 things tend to equalize a much more.
That's strange, I was expecting it to be the other way around... so there's actually not a whole lot of an advantage at 2560 x 1600??
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guru3d is down...all gamers/overclockers and more people,stay on tune
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GTX 480, No voltage change
This sample
Core Clock: 700MHz
Shader Clock: 1401MHz
Memory Clock: 3696MHz
Overclocked
Core Clock: 806MHz
Shader Clock: 1608MHz
Memory Clock: 4568MHz
GTX 470, No voltage change
Core Clock: 607MHz
Shader Clock: 1215MHz
Memory Clock: 3348MHz
Core Clock: 726MHz
Shader Clock: 1452MHz
Memory Clock: 3568MHz
From Guru3D
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So that's why it was raining a little while ago....
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ComputerBase (german, but nice charts)
GameStar.de (german)
ComputerBase sums it up pretty good imo: Fastest single GPU card, but the price for the crown in terms of power usage and fan noise is too high
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Thanks for the links guys!
Gonna check AT and [H].
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NICE! [H] has videos showing real time noise and power consumption!
edit: damn, the 480 sounds a bit louder than the 5870
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This is a very useful thread. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by
zerazax
From conclusion:
That's strange, I was expecting it to be the other way around... so there's actually not a whole lot of an advantage at 2560 x 1600??
Ditto. This seems to be opposite of early leaks. :shrug:
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it looks like some sites have the gf100 cards not being forced to dx11 on bc2 and dirt2.
overall its fairly impressive, but it looks like its not as good for price to performance as ati and it looks like it wont oc as high, so we have the same situation as the last gen
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Hmm big surprise. It sucks.
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I had a pocket full of cash for the GTX 480 sli.
Off to buy another 58xx and some hooker/s with the extra money.:rofl:
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Wow, we're getting hammered. Overloaded servers, bandwidth through the roof. All in all, a good launch. ;)
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Originally Posted by
SKYMTL
how about upgraind your server :ROTF: just friendly advice
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I do not like FERFAIL, ati really did a great job with 5xxx series
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FAIL. congrats to the one who buy a 5970, you have a better card, draw less electricity, and you enjoy it since 6 months.
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Single fastest GPU...but not in vantage at least
http://i41.tinypic.com/15difp.jpg
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Some of those sites aren't loading most likely due to server overload.
Saw only one review at TechPowerup, not really impressed to be honest. The GTX 480 card draws out way too much power and isn't really that much faster than the 5870 as expected.
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Originally Posted by
LiquidFiction
Id rather be hung drawn and Quartered before buying a PoS ATI card :) :D
Did you really register just to troll?
And people wonder why they hate arguing with f4nb0is!!zz :rolleyes:
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The internet, she is crashing!
Guru3d is down, HWC is down.... that's all i've bothered to check so far.
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Anyone seen some OC anywhere? Just wonder if there is any headroom left with that powerdraw just wonder if my top100 score will be beaten by anything but ln2 scores :p
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What the hell, who do you trust these days when it comes to benchmarks? Every review I clicked on had something shady going on. I guess its time to wait for hardware.fr to do theirs.
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Originally Posted by
LiquidFiction
Id rather be hung drawn and Quartered before buying a PoS ATI card :) :D
my 5870's i crossfire kick ass in 2560 x 1600, im adding a 3rd one soon :up:
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ok perform better ( little) that 5870, but i'm crazy?...5870 overclock very well so i'dont know if really gtx 480 are "better",much expensive more heat,for what...nothing that an a nice 5870 oced can't do with less cash,less heat...
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Originally Posted by
Mech0z
Anyone seen some OC anywhere? Just wonder if there is any headroom left with that powerdraw just wonder if my top100 score will be beaten by anything but ln2 scores :p
http://i44.tinypic.com/2ym7vk2.jpg
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H has a video of the cards so you can hear the fan noise
source
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Originally Posted by
Sushi Warrior
The internet, she is crashing!
Guru3d is down, HWC is down.... that's all i've bothered to check so far.
hrhr, computerbase always has great in-depth reviews and their site seems to be "fermi-rdy" as the site still loads instantly :up:
http://www.computerbase.de/news/hard...e_gtx_480_470/
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Originally Posted by
Eastcoasthandle
H has a video of the cards so you can hear the fan noise
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holy crap. that's a f'in hairdryer LOL
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Trust me guys, we have a hell of a server. It's just the shear amount of people trying to access it.
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Originally Posted by
hersounds
ok perform better ( little) that 5870, but i'm crazy?...5870 overclock very well so i'dont know if really gtx 480 are "better",much expensive more heat,for what...nothing that an a nice 5870 oced can't do with less cash,less heat...
You're not crazy at all, quite logical in fact. :up:
I think some people just love Nvidia so much, and have such an emotional connection to them for whatever reason, that they'll subconsciously justify Fermi any way they can.
Logic gets thrown out the window when you want something to be true. :shocked:
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Originally Posted by
Mech0z
Anyone seen some OC anywhere? Just wonder if there is any headroom left with that powerdraw just wonder if my top100 score will be beaten by anything but ln2 scores :p
i looked at a 4 or 5 of the reviews before they went down, the 470 clocks from 600 stock to 720-740 and the 480 clocks from 700stock to 750-800. there is no voltage control and heat seams to be the problem so it looks like it needs liquid like a dual gpu card (as it draws more power than a dual gpu card that makes sense, right.) it also scaled linearly with bc2 with the reviews.
my conclusion is that we have the same thing as last time as the last gen with ati ocing more and being cheaper/cooler and more texture/AA power, and NV having a giant core that dosnt oc as well and sucks more power but has more geometry power.
the 5850 with voltage control seams to still be the best card to get, and i really like the heatsink on the 480.
also to any1 from review sites it looks like some people arnt forcing the correct dx modes, and have ati cards and the 4xx set to dx10 and not 10.1 and or not having dx11 forced correctly for bc2/dirt2
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I can't wait for the HD 5890 which will easily take back the fastest single GPU card crown.:D
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LOL, AT and Hardwarecanucks are down right now.
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Originally Posted by
SKYMTL
May I ask why you made 2 separate reviews, and not just a Fermi review with both cards?
Just curious...
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Originally Posted by
zanzabar
also to any1 from review sites it looks like some people arnt forcing the correct dx modes, and have ati cards and the 4xx set to dx10 and not 10.1 and or not having dx11 forced correctly for bc2/dirt2
How do you run a BF: BC2 benchmark and NOT force DX11 mode in the necessary config files? :confused:
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Originally Posted by
Piotrsama
LOL, AT and Hardwarecanucks are down right now.
May I ask why you made 2 separate reviews, and not just a Fermi review with both cards?
Just curious...
Wanted to focus on two cards separately since my thoughts about each of them differ wildly. In addition, I think each card deserves it's time to shine (or not) without being lumped into a general review.
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So what's everyone's impression?
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Originally Posted by
Frontl1ne
So what's everyone's impression?
i don't know others members but for me,win the official name : FERFAIL
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Originally Posted by
SKYMTL
How do you run a BF: BC2 benchmark and NOT force DX11 mode in the necessary config files? :confused:
i dont know but in the \Documents\BFBC2\settings.ini u can set the dx mode (its not in the game, so people could miss it) and i remember that there was a leak of dirt2 needing manual settings for dx11 on the 480 so the NV slides were showing dx9 for NV v DX11 for ati. and some1 i cant remember who was forcing dx10 instead of 10.1
or i assume thats why there were large differences in some of the benches site to site
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Originally Posted by
SKYMTL
Wanted to focus on two cards separately since my thoughts about each of them differ wildly. In addition, I think each card deserves it's time to shine (or not) without being lumped into a general review.
i bet that helped crash the site though
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Originally Posted by
Frontl1ne
So what's everyone's impression?
Power consumption and heat are a real problem but performances aren't so bad IMHO.
But I don't think that price war in on the road and that's pretty sad :(
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Originally Posted by
zanzabar
i dont know but in the \Documents\BFBC2\settings.ini u can set the dx mode (its not in the game, so people could miss it) and i remember that there was a leak of dirt2 needing manual settings for dx11 on the 480 so the NV slides were showing dx9 for NV v DX11 for ati.
or i assume thats why there were large differences in some of the benches site to site
i bet that helped crash the site though
Hindsight is 20/20 unfortunately. Maybe I would have done things a bit differently for the sake of the hamsters in our server. ;)
As for the config files. Yes, they are both in My Documents. DiRT 2 allows you to force the DX9 mode or defaults to DX11 (you can check this by seeing if Post Processing has a High setting in the game menu).
BF:BC2 allows you to do the same but by either indicating 9, 10 or 11 in the "DX" section of the config.
What reviews didn't do this???? I ask because I am shocked. :(
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Originally Posted by
SKYMTL
What reviews didn't do this???? I ask because I am shocked. :(
.erenumerique.fr/ and one other, its hard to find with places crashing all day
u guys were good i assume, always thorough with configs.
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Originally Posted by
Frontl1ne
So what's everyone's impression?
I think that For right out of the gate Very Early Drivers And very early Development Overall with the gf100 cards. It is Expected..... GTX 480 Is faster than the 5870 in pretty much everything. What i am REALLY Anticipating is the Upcoming Drivers. And i want to see how much it increases performance. I dont agree with people calling Fermi an Overall "Fail" I mean is it MIND BLOWING UNBELIEVABLE. no It isnt. But it is a Solid start with the New Architecture. Wether nVidia or ATI it doesnt matter Developing a new Architecture Isnt a walk in the park. I think nVidia will Improve on Fermi. And Just out of MY Preference i will Invest in Fermi.
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My impression is that this card can be worth buying if you're building a rig from scratch. For people with 5800s and GTX 295s though, it presents no value at all.
The reviews were more interesting than the card. It clearly showed which sites were leaning towards Nvidia and which sites the other way around. Unlike what a lot of people say about them, I found Tom's Hardware to be one of the most balanced reviews out there. Guru3D said they were absolutely stunned by the card in so many respects, but then they do that to EVERY card they review. Anandtech review was also good.
I found HWC's review biased towards Nvidia, unfortunately. Same with Bjorn3D.
Site conclusion: Anandtech has been the review site I've been making decisions on for 10 years for a reason.
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I like the 2 diff review for each card HWC did, gives the 470 a shot at the limelight, if this card is $349 with good availability its a good card for 24/7 gamer compared to the ATI 5850 and 5870. i dont know what to say/think about 480, aside from wait for a shrink and 512...especially at that price and heat/power
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Monstru
http://i39.tinypic.com/2lszfaf.gif
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Originally Posted by
onethreehill
Hmm nice SLI scaling Warhead numbers ..
wow 710 watts in load ..
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Originally Posted by
SKYMTL
Wanted to focus on two cards separately since my thoughts about each of them differ wildly. In addition, I think each card deserves it's time to shine (or not) without being lumped into a general review.
I liked the idea of the two separate reviews - one per card. Two different products - two reviews. That's logical.
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Just went through the guru3D review. All it did was reconfirm my reasons for not going to that website. What kind of professional reviewer uses language like he does ? :rolleyes:
Cards performance is about where I expected, the power/heat is a bit ridiculous given the performance numbers. Its not a fail but its not a hit out of the park by far.
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One thing to consider, Fermi's minimum FPS is even better than its average FPS related to ATI. Both Anandtech and HWC reviews (I think) establish this.
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Originally Posted by
LiquidFiction
I think that For right out of the gate Very Early Drivers And very early Development Overall with the gf100 cards. It is Expected..... GTX 480 Is faster than the 5870 in pretty much everything. What i am REALLY Anticipating is the Upcoming Drivers. And i want to see how much it increases performance. I dont agree with people calling Fermi an Overall "Fail" I mean is it MIND BLOWING UNBELIEVABLE. no It isnt. But it is a Solid start with the New Architecture. Wether nVidia or ATI it doesnt matter Developing a new Architecture Isnt a walk in the park. I think nVidia will Improve on Fermi. And Just out of MY Preference i will Invest in Fermi.
its over 6months late and they have had usable quantities of cards for over 4-5months, so for drivers im not expecting much, what we need to see if a volt mod or voltage control and liquid
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Originally Posted by
n!Cola
Hmm nice SLI scaling Warhead numbers ..
those numbers look wrong the 5870 should beat a 295 in farcry2, that scaling also looks wrong, getting over 90% scaling on a cytec game is vary strange
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Originally Posted by
LiquidFiction
Id rather be hung drawn and Quartered before buying a PoS ATI card :) :D
POS ATI card against what? Fermi is late and it sucks donkey balls, badly.
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The 470 review on HWC is still giving a database error for me
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Originally Posted by
annihilat0r
The reviews were more interesting than the card. It clearly showed which sites were leaning towards Nvidia and which sites the other way around.
I think this was an inevitable outcome. The card was highly contentious from the start - and add in the fact that the game has the largest performance delta I have ever seen on a newly released card (going from -10% to +50% depending on titles), the biases and leanings come out quite easily, since reviewers (AND users) can choose to cherry pick certain titles and claim something vastly different from someone else's conclusion
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Originally Posted by
LiquidFiction
I think that For right out of the gate Very Early Drivers And very early Development Overall with the gf100 cards.
It's not like the drivers team didn't have samples months ago... If you're calling the current drivers early what would they have been if Fermi was released when it was originally planned, late 2009?
Or do you really need the very latest silicon for the drivers?
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480gtx its like its a nice card, doing a bit better than 5870, then you see the temps and power usage! Holy Shi~! I would agree I would like to see overclocks and how this card is with fullcover water block. (420 rad maybe? :rofl:)
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Well Im somewhat surprised.... I sincerely thought I'd be upgrading my 4870x2 sooner but it has truley been an incredibly immpressive buy nearly what now almost 2 years has it been ? And it still outperforms Nvidias latest offering and hold its own even with ATI's latest :) But in all truth I really though Nvidia would been much much more impressive.. And while the Drivers are still in their infancy unless they see at least a 25% performance jump ( which frankly would be out of the this universe as 5-10% seems the norm) Ill be sticking with the ol 4870x2 for another year heck maybe 2.... Koodos to ATI.... and what the hell is going on team green? Disappointed and happy at the same time :) ( I'll be happy to put $6-700 somewhere else.......
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any review against a 5870 2gb ?
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Originally Posted by
zerazax
The 470 review on HWC is still giving a database error for me
We're working on it. :(
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Originally Posted by
hersounds
ok perform better ( little) that 5870, but i'm crazy?...5870 overclock very well so i'dont know if really gtx 480 are "better",much expensive more heat,for what...nothing that an a nice 5870 oced can't do with less cash,less heat...
please quit trolling. if you dont like a card you dont need to crash a thread. personally i dont like how evergreen handles texture sampling and its not much faster than my current hardware i cant see why anyone would buy it.;)
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Originally Posted by
Eastcoasthandle
H has a video of the cards so you can hear the fan noise
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thanks, when it comes to sound quality is more important than quantity(decibels). the 470 and 480 are LOUD. almost as loud as all caps.
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didn't get any award from Hardocp lol
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I really liked http://www.sweclockers.com/articles_...id=6236&page=6 sweclockers.com review with min and avg fps bars. Gtx 480 sure is better than atis card at the minimum fps bar, i was suprised about that the 5970 @xfire still has some problems. Dont know if it driver related or what but the min fps really sux there.. i actually vote for 480gtx right now cus of its ability of displaying more stable fps than the 58xxseries. oh yeah its in swedish, now its anandtech that is on the table for me.. but the site is gettin hammered hard :)
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Originally Posted by
Eastcoasthandle
H has a video of the cards so you can hear the fan noise
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There is no way that I would be able to deal with that.
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Originally Posted by
FischOderAal
It's not like the drivers team didn't have samples months ago... If you're calling the current drivers early what would they have been if Fermi was released when it was originally planned, late 2009?
Or do you really need the very latest silicon for the drivers?
Of course they are early drivers. ATI still has driver issues with 5xxx series cards. It took a few months after release for drivers to be truly stable with my GTX260.
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Originally Posted by
Pillo-kun
Dont know if it driver related or what but the min fps really sux there..
It's CrossFire, what did you expect? Multi-GPU sucks, that's about it.
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Sorry for spamming a bit here guys but we are back up and running. Ugh, that wasn't pretty.
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You can actually cook stuff on the grill.
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Originally Posted by
Pillo-kun
I really liked
http://www.sweclockers.com/articles_...id=6236&page=6 sweclockers.com review with min and avg fps bars. Gtx 480 sure is better than atis card at the minimum fps bar, i was suprised about that the 5970 @xfire still has some problems. Dont know if it driver related or what but the min fps really sux there.. i actually vote for 480gtx right now cus of its ability of displaying more stable fps than the 58xxseries. oh yeah its in swedish, now its anandtech that is on the table for me.. but the site is gettin hammered hard :)
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Originally Posted by
FischOderAal
It's CrossFire, what did you expect? Multi-GPU sucks, that's about it.
Hardware Canucks has minimum framerates too. The 5970 beats the GTX480 in minimum and average framerates quite easily.
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Originally Posted by
Solus Corvus
Hardware Canucks has minimum framerates too. The 5970 beats the GTX480 in minimum and average framerates quite easily.
I have only begun reading the graphs at anandtech but i see the same thing there.. its not every game but there is something strange....
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Originally Posted by
LiquidFiction
I cant wait till the Good Drivers come out and Increase Performance by 20% :)
I am pretty sure that Catalyst 10.3 is now official :up: :p:
On a serious note has anyone seen the Folding at home numbers,fermi is supposed to be the gpgpu "king" ?
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Thanks Joshd,Anand refused to load for me earlier.
