[HELP]Noob needs help with water cooler .. please ..

Hello ..

I'll buy a water cooler, but I have some doubts ..
The hardware to be cooled is .. :

Core i5 750 @ 4.0Ghz
Maximus Formula III
Future GTX480 .. hehe

Below the components :

* Swiftech Apogee XT CPU Waterblock
* FB-EK Maximus Formula III Full Board
* Water Block for VGA Full Cover

* HW Labs Black Ice SR1 480 Carbon Black - 120mm QUAD
* HW Labs Black Ice SR1 240 Carbon Black - Dual 120mm


Here comes the doubts ..

1 - would change some component?
2 - What fan recommend .. Akasa Black Apache 120X25MM 16dBA 57 CFM or 120X25MM Scythe SlipStream SY1225SL12SH 37dba 110 CFM .. ?
3 - What will pump ideal for my system .. ?

I thank you all ..

Later.

so are you asking for a 2 loop system? either cpu + mobo or gpu + mobo ?

recent gpus don't run quite as hot as they used to ( 8800's 9800's etc ) especially if you go mcw60 + unisink you can take a lot of the cooling load off the GPU block as opposed to a full cover.

personally i like full covers, but if i was going to do a 3 component watercool ( ie. cpu gpu motherboard ) i would do 3 loops.

to tell you the truth i don' t think you need all the rad you are going to have, unless you are going to add another gpu later ( or two ) i don't see the point in having 6x120 to cool a dual core cpu mosfets and 1 gpu? your northbridge and southbridge are in the cpu.. the only real 'northbridge' on the board is a pci-e controller. but of course there are still mosfets to cool that would be beneficial.

if you're set on 6x120 rads that's xtreme. and i can stand by that. but i would just buy a couple extra feet of tubing and try out which is better :)

.... or ....

you could do 3 loops, be cool and ... and ... and... well you never said if you had a big case or not, so unless you have the rads already that's what i would say to do.

and on the fans i would say the black apache is some bs. less than audible sound + 57 CFM?? doesn't really sound accurate. sounds like silenx.

For those black ice rads optimised for low/silent airflow use fans that are more silent. Scythe Gentle Typhoons or Yate Loon D12SL or Noiseblocker Multiframe. I am shure that fans choosed by you are louder or give less airflow at same rpm then these three or ran at higher rpm. For pump use some variety of Laing DDC-3.25, eg. made by koolance or swiftech.

penguins

Not .. was thinking of using it all in a single loop .. Is it possible?

While not buy the GTX480 I'll probably use a GTX260 ..

3 loops .. woooooww ..

Understood .. but the core i5 750 is not quad core .. ? I'll cool it, the mobo and vga .. future plan to use 2 or 3 vgas .. So now I will prepare the system with 6x120 and 7x120 maybe even one, if necessary ..

I'll buy a Cosmos S .. and I think I'll get the same Apache .. are rather quiet and efficient ..

Thanks .. =]

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churchy

Hmm .. essse models look good .. I found the Scythe GentleTyphoon 120mm 57 CFM, but it has 28dba .. Apache has the same 57CMF but with only 16dBA of noise .. which I take?

Ahh .. the store that I buy do not have this pump .. which of these three would be the best .. : Mcp-355, mcp-655 or DP Danger Den 1200?

Thanks .. o /

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Originally Posted by Kelison

..Hmm .. essse models look good .. I found the Scythe GentleTyphoon 120mm 57 CFM, but it has 28dba .. Apache has the same 57CMF but with only 16dBA of noise .. which I take?..

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1) don't look at fan vendor specs. Those mostly are made up lies to sell product.
2) by more independent test results such as by Jordan/Vapor/Martin most silent or with most cfm at particular dB were scythe gentle typhoon, noiseblocker multiframe, nexus (IIRC basic?. anyway, it's rebranded Yate Loon D12SL).

So generic advise would be to use Gentle Typhoons. imho better to buy 1800 rpm ones, and run them with lover voltage at ~ 1000rpm. That's way you'll get silence and have room to increase performance. If you lack money, Yate Loons are nice choice. Very cheap, especially if bought in batch. Pitty though they are sleeve beering (not lasting very long when working horizontal position).

Slipstreams are not made for use on radiators. Follow Churchy's suggestions.

A Cosmos S will not hold the rads you want. If you are only doing a Core I5, and 1 GTX480 or GTX260, you don't need all that radiator. A Cosmos S can hold a 360 with no cutting to the case and a 240 with cutting to the case. If you don't want to keep everything in the case, but mount a radiator to the outside of the case, then that doesn't matter.

There are also other radiators out there that perform as good if not better than those SR-1s for cheaper. Thermochill, EK, Magicool/Swiftech, XSPC RX series are a few. Those SR-1s do look the best though. :)

You don't have to do dual loops, but you may want to do dual pumps as MB blocks do add restriction. Everyone has there personal perference on pumps. End of the day, you will be fine with a MCP-655(D5) or a MCP-355(DDC). The DDC is smaller than the D5 and less expensive. The D5 vario has a speed control built into it.

I would say to get the DDC as you will need 2 and a Cosmos S can get a little tight when watercooling. Make certain to get a pump top for the pumps too. EK, XSPC, and Koolance all make great pump tops

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Originally Posted by millertime359

Slipstreams are not made for use on radiators. Follow Churchy's suggestions.

A Cosmos S will not hold the rads you want. If you are only doing a Core I5, and 1 GTX480 or GTX260, you don't need all that radiator. A Cosmos S can hold a 360 with no cutting to the case and a 240 with cutting to the case. If you don't want to keep everything in the case, but mount a radiator to the outside of the case, then that doesn't matter.

There are also other radiators out there that perform as good if not better than those SR-1s for cheaper. Thermochill, EK, Magicool/Swiftech, XSPC RX series are a few. Those SR-1s do look the best though. :)

You don't have to do dual loops, but you may want to do dual pumps as MB blocks do add restriction. Everyone has there personal perference on pumps. End of the day, you will be fine with a MCP-655(D5) or a MCP-355(DDC). The DDC is smaller than the D5 and less expensive. The D5 vario has a speed control built into it.

I would say to get the DDC as you will need 2 and a Cosmos S can get a little tight when watercooling. Make certain to get a pump top for the pumps too. EK, XSPC, and Koolance all make great pump tops

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Do what this nice man tells you to do.

However, you may find it is difficult to mount an external rad on the back of the Cosmos S, because it has some retarded Plastic "fins" coming off the back. You will have to dremel/ cut those plastic fins, which will look like king crap, IMO. But you don't need to mess with the back, since you can easily fit a 360 in the top of the Cosmos S with no mods whatsoever, and then with a very little, teensy weensy amount of dremeling, you can fit a 240 in the bottom.

churchy

Hmm .. Thanks for the information ..
Will I buy four fans .. two Black and two Apache GentleTyphoon 1450 rmp .. and 21dBA with 50CMF .. at home, I'll test what is the best .. and then buy two more and seeing what is weak ..

I'm really short of money .. but as I live in Brazil, I import everything from a store just to save the shipping .. the store will be the Sidewinder Computers ..

Really Thanks ..


millertime359

I see a guy here in the forum that had these same radiators, but he made the Cosmos S mod ..
He put the 4x120 at the top and the 2x120 on the ground .. I'll cool the mobo, the i5 and future 2 vgas ..

Hmm .. which other radiator you recommend for me?

I ride single loop it .. what do you think of two DDC with a "Dual Acrylic Top for Laing DDC" the XSPC?

these pump top makes much difference?

Really Thanks ..


eth0s

I'll try to put the 4x120 in the top .. and to put the 2x120 on the ground have to saw, correct ?

Thanks for the tip ..



Later friends ..

More sugestions people ? thanks ..

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Originally Posted by Kelison

penguins

Not .. was thinking of using it all in a single loop .. Is it possible?

While not buy the GTX480 I'll probably use a GTX260 ..

3 loops .. woooooww ..

Understood .. but the core i5 750 is not quad core .. ? I'll cool it, the mobo and vga .. future plan to use 2 or 3 vgas .. So now I will prepare the system with 6x120 and 7x120 maybe even one, if necessary ..

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i5 750 is a quad core.:up:

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Originally Posted by the finisher

i5 750 is a quad core.:up:

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Hmm .. Thanks for the information friend .. o/

But you have any sugestion for me ?

I'll cool the mobo, the i5 and future 2 vgas ..

which other radiator you recommend for me?

I ride single loop it .. what do you think of two DDC with a "Dual Acrylic Top for Laing DDC" ?


Really Thanks ..

I like ThemoChill rads, but the HW Labs SR-1's might be good for you.

They have better paint, and will most likely require less flushing for initial setup.

T.C. rads can be a real PIA to get clean the first time around, I still favor them however.:)

Size depends on your case and if they must be inside. I say more/bigger rads = more Xtreme.:up:

I like these fans for 25mm thick. http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/pro...sp?sku=96M1770


Or these for 38mm thick. http://www.newark.com/sanyo-denki/9g...fan/dp/96M7364


You can believe their specs, very good fan's, I own some of each.:)

These are bare fans however, no pins, DIY.:up:

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Originally Posted by Kelison

I ride single loop it .. what do you think of two DDC with a "Dual Acrylic Top for Laing DDC" ?

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This my be a good idea if your planing a restrictive system, sounds like you are.

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Originally Posted by the finisher

I like ThemoChill rads, but the HW Labs SR-1's might be good for you.

They have better paint, and will most likely require less flushing for initial setup.

T.C. rads can be a real PIA to get clean the first time around, I still favor them however.:)

Size depends on your case and if they must be inside. I say more/bigger rads = more Xtreme.:up:

I like these fans for 25mm thick. http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/pro...sp?sku=96M1770


Or these for 38mm thick. http://www.newark.com/sanyo-denki/9g...fan/dp/96M7364


You can believe their specs, very good fan's, I own some of each.:)

These are bare fans however, no pins, DIY.:up:

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My final solution for cleaning out my Thermochill.. Fill it with 99% Isopropyl Alcohol and let it sit for 20-30 mins.. That was what finally flushed my radiator clean.

XSPC RX, EK, or Magicool might be good choices for you seeing you seem to be overseas.

You can use standoffs to help push the rad away from the back of the case so you don't have to worry about those fins.

I think I saw that worklog too, but i think it required some heavy modding. It all depends on how much modding you are comfortable with.

The pump tops do make a difference. The stock tops are not the best.

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Originally Posted by the finisher

I like ThemoChill rads, but the HW Labs SR-1's might be good for you.

They have better paint, and will most likely require less flushing for initial setup.

T.C. rads can be a real PIA to get clean the first time around, I still favor them however.:)

Size depends on your case and if they must be inside. I say more/bigger rads = more Xtreme.:up:

I like these fans for 25mm thick. http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/pro...sp?sku=96M1770


Or these for 38mm thick. http://www.newark.com/sanyo-denki/9g...fan/dp/96M7364


You can believe their specs, very good fan's, I own some of each.:)

These are bare fans however, no pins, DIY.:up:

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Understood ..

But in your opinion .. what radiator should I buy?
What do you think of this EK? http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/hwlablicesr13.html

Fans will get the Typhon of 50CFM .. it has only 21dBA and many people recommended it here ..
And I want to get the kit in one store to pay only one shipping .. I live in Brazil ..
Thanks for the tips .. ;)

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Originally Posted by the finisher

This my be a good idea if your planing a restrictive system, sounds like you are.

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Hmm ..

I'll cool the cpu + mobo +2 vgas with 1 or 2 radiators ..
Will I need two pumps?

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Originally Posted by millertime359

XSPC RX, EK, or Magicool might be good choices for you seeing you seem to be overseas.

You can use standoffs to help push the rad away from the back of the case so you don't have to worry about those fins.

I think I saw that worklog too, but i think it required some heavy modding. It all depends on how much modding you are comfortable with.

The pump tops do make a difference. The stock tops are not the best.

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Hmm .. thanks ..

I'll try to put inside the case .. if not can I use the standoffs that you recommended .. thanks ..

Well .. mod not a problem .. hehe

If I go to use two pumps .. What you think of the XSPC "Dual Acrylic Top for Two Laing DDC"

Really Thanks

The XSPC and EK both make dual tops that are really nice. Pick the one the one you like best. :)

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Originally Posted by millertime359

The XSPC and EK both make dual tops that are really nice. Pick the one the one you like best. :)

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Oh Thanks Friend ..

But will that I will need two pumps?
I'll cool the mobo + cpu + 2 VGAS ..

Thanks again ..

Hmm ..

My Water cooler systen .. :

Apogee XT Waterblock
EK Maximus III Full Block
02 x VGA Full Coe block

HW Labs Black Ice SR1 480 Carbon Black - Quad 120mm
HW Labs Black Ice SR1 240 Carbon Black - Dual 120mm
06 x GentleTyphoon 120 mm Silent - 50 CFM, 1450 RPM
Swiftech MCP-355/Laing DDC ( If necessary, two pumps .. )
EK Waterblocks EK-Multioption RES 400 rev.2

would change some component?

Really Thanks .. :)

dont forget your fittings/tubbing!

Looks good, but you should really get a second pump.

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Originally Posted by Kelison

Hmm ..

My Water cooler systen .. :

Apogee XT Waterblock
EK Maximus III Full Block
02 x VGA Full Coe block

HW Labs Black Ice SR1 480 Carbon Black - Quad 120mm
HW Labs Black Ice SR1 240 Carbon Black - Dual 120mm
06 x GentleTyphoon 120 mm Silent - 50 CFM, 1450 RPM
Swiftech MCP-355/Laing DDC ( If necessary, two pumps .. )
EK Waterblocks EK-Multioption RES 400 rev.2

would change some component?

Really Thanks .. :)

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Where are you buying your parts from?

Personally, I'd swap out the over priced SR1's for MCR's (they work just as well, read the graph) of the same size and swap the MCP355 for a DDC3.25.

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Originally Posted by adamwzl

dont forget your fittings/tubbing!

Looks good, but you should really get a second pump.

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Hmm .. will be the hose ID 1 / 2 OD and 3 / 4 .. what do you think?

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

Where are you buying your parts from?

Personally, I'd swap out the over priced SR1's for MCR's (they work just as well, read the graph) of the same size and swap the MCP355 for a DDC3.25.

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I'll buy the sidewinder computers ..

What is more worth buying?
The HW Labs costs $ 130 .. and the MCR420 costs $ 70 ..

HW Labs SR1 or Swiftech MCR420-QP Quiet Power 4X120mm?

Hm .. the Sidewinder only has this .. :

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swiftechmcp355.html

What you think of it?

thanks ..

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Originally Posted by Kelison

I'll buy the sidewinder computers ..

What is more worth buying?
The HW Labs costs $ 130 .. and the MCR420 costs $ 70 ..

HW Labs SR1 or Swiftech MCR420-QP Quiet Power 4X120mm?

Hm .. the Sidewinder only has this .. :

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swiftechmcp355.html

What you think of it?

thanks ..

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120 x 4 rads scale very well from 120 x3, the only difference would be lower temps but the difference between the different models (SR1 v MCR) would be about the same, so yeah...I'd get the MCR 420 and save the $$. If your concerned about appearance, the MCR's come with a decent paint job but if you want the carbon black look, you can spend that money you saved on a pro paint job with that color. ;)

Seeing I don't visit that site, it's a good thing they do decent descriptions in their links. That's a standard DDC 3.2 which from some recent testing I did, it's a bit weak when compared to a DDC 3.25.

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

120 x 4 rads scale very well from 120 x3, the only difference would be lower temps but the difference between the different models (SR1 v MCR) would be about the same, so yeah...I'd get the MCR 420 and save the $$. If your concerned about appearance, the MCR's come with a decent paint job but if you want the carbon black look, you can spend that money you saved on a pro paint job with that color. ;)

Seeing I don't visit that site, it's a good thing they do decent descriptions in their links. That's a standard DDC 3.2 which from some recent testing I did, it's a bit weak when compared to a DDC 3.25.

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Hmm .. I think I'll get the same MCR .. costs almost half the price of a SR1 ..
Appearance I do not care much .. because the radiator will stay inside the case ..

I'll buy the DDC 3.25 on another site .. since in the Sidewinder not have it ..

An MCR 480 and a MCR 240 let my system with good temps?

Thanks .. ;)

I have a doubt ..

I would like to put two reservoirs on my watercooler ..
A EK Spin on the bay and a EK-Multioption RES 400 rev.2 inside the case ..

What do you think?
Is there any performance loss?

Some one help me please ..
Is there any performance loss with two reservoirs ?

Reservoir main function is to ease initial filling/bleeding of loop. WHY would one need two per loop - to simultaneously fill with water from two places? :)
As for one res per loop in case if there are two loops, shure, why not?

Ppl have had problems bleeding their loops using the EK spin. Might want to consider just using the Multioption res instead.

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Originally Posted by millertime359

Slipstreams are not made for use on radiators. Follow Churchy's suggestions.

A Cosmos S will not hold the rads you want. If you are only doing a Core I5, and 1 GTX480 or GTX260, you don't need all that radiator. A Cosmos S can hold a 360 with no cutting to the case and a 240 with cutting to the case. If you don't want to keep everything in the case, but mount a radiator to the outside of the case, then that doesn't matter.

There are also other radiators out there that perform as good if not better than those SR-1s for cheaper. Thermochill, EK, Magicool/Swiftech, XSPC RX series are a few. Those SR-1s do look the best though. :)

You don't have to do dual loops, but you may want to do dual pumps as MB blocks do add restriction. Everyone has there personal perference on pumps. End of the day, you will be fine with a MCP-655(D5) or a MCP-355(DDC). The DDC is smaller than the D5 and less expensive. The D5 vario has a speed control built into it.

I would say to get the DDC as you will need 2 and a Cosmos S can get a little tight when watercooling. Make certain to get a pump top for the pumps too. EK, XSPC, and Koolance all make great pump tops

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Miller speaks the truth!

As for fans, I've used all kinds in every way. With filters, without, on rads in push with shroud, without, pull w/ rads, without, pushpull, etc. Between Scythe, Silverstone FM120's, sanace, deltas, etc. It all depends on your goals. If you do end up going the scythe route, do a push pull, because like Miller touched on, they lose a lot of CFM under pressure and do become a little noisy.

All in all I think one of my favorite silent fans are the Yate Loon high speed fans. I've not used the Gentle Typhoons, or Noiseblockers, but those both seem popular for pretty silent systems and a lower FPI rad (lower finds per inch = easier air flow). Besides that I'd recommend delta 25mm for high performance, but they're very loud and you will need a 30w per channel fan controller to handle these. I recently picked up the lamptron FC5, while expensive it is a really nice controller.

So you've got a lot of options to go with! :) What fans are you leaning towards?

churchy

I understand ..
I would like to use two reservoirs because I liked the two ..
I like the EK Spin because of the Flow Meter he has ..
And like the Multioption EK-RES 400 rev.2 because of the design of it ..

I would use the two in a loop only ..

Thanks.

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Waterlogged

Hmm .. and if I keep the two reservoirs and fill the system by Multioption EK-RES 400 rev.2?

Thank you.

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Vinas

Hmm .. 'll have to use a system Push Pull in radiators?

I ordered some Gentle Typhoons 1450RPM to test ..
I think I'll stick with them even .....

Regarding the fan controller .. I have a Baybus ..

Reallt Thanks.

any ?

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Originally Posted by Kelison

churchy

I understand ..
I would like to use two reservoirs because I liked the two ..
I like the EK Spin because of the Flow Meter he has ..
And like the Multioption EK-RES 400 rev.2 because of the design of it ..

I would use the two in a loop only ..

Thanks.

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Waterlogged

Hmm .. and if I keep the two reservoirs and fill the system by Multioption EK-RES 400 rev.2?

Thank you.

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Vinas

Hmm .. 'll have to use a system Push Pull in radiators?

I ordered some Gentle Typhoons 1450RPM to test ..
I think I'll stick with them even .....

Regarding the fan controller .. I have a Baybus ..

Reallt Thanks.

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The Spin res has had. . .problems. The spinner is technically a flow indicator, not a flow meter and has not worked properly or, at all for several ppl here. The res also has a nasty habit of introducing air into the system via the "waterfall effect", making it harder to bleed the loop. I don't see either of these problems going away very easily with the addition of another res. The only way to get rid of those problems is (ironically), to not use the res as it was intended to be used. . .meaning, don't use the spinner or the "waterfall effect" and it does seem to work reasonably well from what I hear.

Hmm .. thanks for the tips .. did not know these problems ot the EK Spin .. Thank you for letting me know .. =)

I was thinking of putting two reservoirs because I like of the two .. will have some loss of performance?