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It seems like nvidia is the easiest to bash these days. And who would pass up the opportunity to smash nvidia's big fat head in with a sledge hammer?
No one wants to get caught up in nvidia's mess, so my guess is nvidia supporters are just being quiet waiting for the moment to strike (ie when the fog clears and the truth is out).
Now you can express your honest opinion with none the wiser :)
if I can bench it, I'll buy it. Eff the fanboys.
Depends on the price/performance ratio.
I have to admit I was dead set on getting one but now after all the drama has unfolded; coupled with it looking more like June before Fermi has any serious non-price gouging volume. I am very seriously taking a look at waiting until Hectaconderes. I mean hell I might as well its just another 2 more months. :shakes:
For me it depends on the price and availability, there is an amount over which I which I am not interested in spending on it, and there are already ATI cards that have the cost and performance that I would desire. I do not doubt that the GTX4xx will be able to deliver good performance, but I do not know how that performance will compare in energy efficiency, idle power consumption, and cost. That being said some of the software I want to run has some graphical issues on ATI cards, so I am willing to pay more for a GTX4xx than an equivalently performing HD5xxx. What I am really interested in seeing is the dual GPU GTX4xx.
Anything over $200 is out of my budget.... so no.
I wonder how long it will take nvidia to launch the the mainstream models. Logical thing is obviously to wait it out.
The big surprise would be if they released it @ $300!
If the performance is good, and the price is appropriate yes.. otherwise im going to have to leave and go to Ati...
All up to price. I hope to see the GTX480 to be around 350. Though it seems it'll be 400+, If so I might wait for the "gtx495" which is supposed to be out a month later.
Either way i'm not in to big of a rush but with the GPU upgrade comes a CPU upgrade and a new case:) (Gulftown + 800d to replace my 965 and mountain mods case)
Yay for spending money....
Prices will be around U$s 680 for 480, and U$s 500 for 470. That's what GURU3D and digitimes are talking about. Regards
I would like to, though it would be quite some time after launch. $600-$700 for a GPU is simply too much for me.
when the 480 is for 400-500.
I'm getting one... for free :D
Second one ? Only if it's really good in benching or gaming.
Heh, gotta love the pre-launch video card hysteria.
I'd hope no one who picked option 1 is pre-ordering, buying sight unseen. Option 2 (wait and see) should be everyone's answer for every decision like this.
It is possible that I may be interested in a GT 4xx if they manage to get them to me before 5750 Green varriants become readily available.
As far as if I would consider a GTX 480, I would soo not make up my mind or even consider it before more details are available. This generation both the Green and Red teams are having failures simultaneously that make me doubt offerings from both parties like never before.
im using a 5870, but i need a nvidia card.....
too many games are too nvidia frendly.....
well if they fold better than my 285 and my 275 it will be worth gettting 2
been a die hard nvidia fan since i started this 10 years ago.was a serious ati hater for just as long .. then i bought a pair of lcs 5870 and have never been happier with a set of gpu in my life.nvidia can keep its constant setbacks and high release pricing.im sure it will be a fine gpu but when i game all day and my cards stay under 48 c i cant see why id ever go back to those hot nvidia cards.:down:
if they're not releasing in Q4 this year, i might think of it .... Ati is enticing me to get theirs
My gtx 280 failed after a year of mild gaming use, no overclocking... I am seriously thinking about switching to ATI, and ditching the nVidia bullsh*t for good.
I know the feeling, as I had issues with GTX 280 too :(Quote:
Originally Posted by YanBooth
Anyway I am going to wait and see, performance would have to be considerably better than a GTX 295 for me to even consider switching.
If not, I will wait for the refresh as for some reason ATi's 5970 does not inspire me (I guess the high price and lack of availability coupled with 1GB of usable VRAM is putting me off)
John
I made the wrong vote - I said wait and see. I'll definitely get one, even if it's ten years from now for some old skool benching ;)
There's no time constraint to the question :D
Agreed. On my next graphics refresh, I will probably get one; whether that be in two years or two weeks (and a day)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
If it costs 60% more than a 5870 and only gives u 20 % more framerate then no ... but if its equal ... say 30% better framerates and 30 % increase in cost then ill be all over it
Maybe if I'll consider it if it comes out and dumps a load on a 5970 for less money. But from what has been said thus far about it, looks like a big pass.
More likely it will come close to the 5970 on some games and be beaten by it on others. IMO the 5970 is overpriced though. They've yet to even get the drivers perfected to the point of consistent performance from title to title.Quote:
Originally Posted by kow_ciller
From what insiders invited to private Nvidia meetings have said, the 480 was performing on par with a 295, but likely better once drivers are tweaked. They've also said Nvidia are promising affordable pricing, so we may see the 480 going for less than a 5970.
I can understand why driver writing would be tough for the 400 series, it's radically new architecture for them and part of the delay from what I've read. ATI really should have had their drivers sorted for the 5970 by now though. They really haven't embarked on anything new except for DX11 support.
The really interesting figure is how many won't even consider it. If we take the average, it becomes obvious that the majority of XS won't judge based on rumours. Which can be a good thing.
That's not quite how it works. The purpose of the driver is to expose the GPU to the DirectX/OpenGL/CUDA API. With more and more things done on the hardware itself, all that is really left for the driver is to optimize API code paths on a per architecture basis. And then comes the per game optimizations which are the bulk of drivers these days (on a per architecture basis). One of the reasons why theoretical performance doesn't always directly relate to game performance. Game devs don't always optimize their game engines for a particular architecture, so Nvidia/ATI end up rewriting the inefficient calls. That's where Nvidia saves money and money with the TWIMTBP program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frag Maniac
Depending on how radically Nvidia had to modify the GT200 design to bring us the GF100, the TWIMTBP might end up biting them in the butt. When the first GF100 driver is released we should compare it's size to the prior release.
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So 2GB GTX 480 is fake, and as expected GTX 480 will have 384 bit bus, which makes 1536MBs of DDR5 here.
:up: Never owned an ATI card. However I am waiting for the numbers on this next batch.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
i hope they send me four for my personal rig it the rampage III will take it
I think you're seriously over simplifying the per architecture basis part. This is radically new architecture and Nvidia have already told one of the guys invited to their private meeting in Vegas that the driver writing will take a good bit of work. I mean look at ATI's 5970 I exampled. They can't even get THAT right, and it's nothing radically new. Though certainly ATI appears less skilled on the driver end.Quote:
Originally Posted by damha
If GTX480s come close to 5970 performance, no other card on the planet will be relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frag Maniac
Personally, I think that's way too much to hope for and am expecting more along the lines of 10-20% faster than the 5870, and $100 higher than 5870 at launch because people will pay a premium for the fastest GPU, and the 480s will have features that the ATi parts don't have.
This is my guess, not based on any NDA info, only what I've seen at CES and with past product launches.
I personally won't be considering Fermi, for a number of reasons:
1) NVidia is too close minded and controlling of a company. Their desire for secrecy and control is second only to Apple's, IMHO, and that misguided mindset is something I can't conscientiously support.
2) The damn thing is incredibly late and when its finally released, decent availability is unlikely to occur until the second half of the year, if at all (considering the rumours regarding very poor yield).
3) The fact that ATI permits multi-card setups on any board with the appropriate slots and doesn't demand a ransom from the board maker for this functionality.
4) Eyefinity :)
5) The 5970 (in it's current form) is over-engineered for it's current clock speeds and configuration. It's designed to run faster than it does by default and is equipped to do so, but in it's current form the over-engineering in the card gives me a warm fuzzy feeling (as most like products do).
Depends on the performance and price.
look at the price of the GTX295, nVidia's flagship card, STILL $500+ i bought mine a week after launch for $489. still a decent card, lets see how bad nVidia buries ATI this time.
I know, i'm psyched that it's still so expensive, i'm gonna make a big profit when i sell them :DQuote:
Originally Posted by xann27
I'll wait and see how it performs in CAD apps, but I'm expecting it will outperform ATI cards there so, depends on price/performance in games I play, like most people.
If the performance is incredible... then sure why not. Id rather buy a 5970 to tri-fire with my 5870 for $600 though. I've already gone with an Eyefinity setup which is incredible for games, it would be very very hard to go back to a 1 monitor setup. Nvidia cards do have good crunching support w/ GPUgrid and other projects vs ATI which is more limited to MW@h or Collatz so that aspect does appeal to me.
Probably not, but depends on performance/dollar.
I voted definitely not. I already have a 5870 and another 5870 is RMA at the moment. 2x 5870s should be plenty for any modern game, so I won't really need the performance improvement of Fermi, however big that one may be.
how in any way is the cooler in the stock 5970 over-engineered :confused:, if thats over-engineered the ipad isn't retarded. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by lutjens
I'll wait a day or two, which by then, K|ngp|n or Andre will have benched it, and we will know the real truth. Yes the real truth, not some game frame rate review crap.
Gonna wait and then decide. Only after summer anyway, so i have a lot of time to think =)
Will wait and see more benchmarks, the price will also be a key point.
Yes. ATI can't fold and from all the leaks I've seen so far Fermi is shaping up to be cooler, quiter, smaller and faster then what everyone (Charlie) has been predicting.
No surprises there ofcourse.
hopefully it is competitive in everyway, the prices do need to come down.
I'm more interested in the refreshed version. B1 revision.
Hope it will be out in Q2.
The power requirements are scary: 42amps on a single rail/600w minimum.
I wouldn't consider it it for gaming,but FAH is a different story,plus I could
keep it at work where the electricity is included :D
Maybe for Christmas....
Wait and see and wait some more.
As big of a deal as having 3 to 6 monitors, I'd like to see single monitor performance (if there's a comparision between the two, let me know) between a gtx4xx and 5870/5850 before buying. As well, I want to see drivers mature.
I'll probably start being less extreme and wait till this is not new tech before choosing either one. Entirely undecided.
Yup - cos i like raw single Gpu power.
I am pretty happy with my GTX280 but i need something NEW ;-)
I'd definitely want to get one, though my only concern is when. Getting one from the initial batch would be nice, but the question then comes as to how reliable it will be. Will the second batch be a better performer? Run cooler?
agree! Stick to GTX 295 for as long as it keeps targetsQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
If it came out at the same time as the HD 5870, I probably bought it. It would've lowered my electricity bill by not turn a portable heater on since the card would be pumping out enough heat to keep my room warm. ;P
OMG, 450 in Euro!!! That's ~$620 US!!!
I'll wait about a month to 7 weeks to get one. Hopefully that will give EVGA enough time to produce the Classified.
if the gtx480 was 300 i would get it. Other than that i will wait around for some new hotness that doesn't run hot and come with overpricing and nvidia development drama.Quote:
Originally Posted by damha
Faster performance than the $400 5870 and you want it to cost $300? Are you mad? What is it with this BS? It's getting utterly insane regarding the price gouging implications. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by fausto412
And regarding the 450 Euro comment, at $500 USD, which is what seems to be verified lately, that would be around 370 in Euros. Speculation and baseless accusations are meaningless. It would be nice if people around here actually comment on facts, or at least credible sources regarding pre-release info.
My deciding factors here are Performance, Idle power consumption, Price.
Don't care much about full load power or temps since mine would be water cooled.
Iv purchased all top cards since 4 years ago, 8800 ultra was first 9800gx2 was second then the gtx 280 and soon after the gtx 295, Im now sitting on the 5870 my first ati card and i have to say out of all the nvidia cards the ati 5870 is the most stable cool power friendly card iv had by far. So far from the specifications and news the new 480 is not going to be as big as i and others thought. IMO only going to sit par with the 5870.
Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be jumping on the nvidia bandwagon this time. It doesn't seem that they are going to win price/performance... and the idea that some people will be dropping off their 5870's, and 5850 as they go and upgrade... I'll be picking one of those up from fleebay. On a side note, i'm amazed that my g92 has lasted me over two years. I have never gone more than a year without upgrading video cards, since I kept my original voodoo sli, for almost 2 years 1999? or 2000?