Do You Want to Fullcover WaterBlock for P55?

Hey guys,

As you may know, anyone can accept what X58 achieved great performance and many users are using them under water. Popular waterblock companies made some fullcover waterblocks to popular brands and models for X58.

My question is that why these popular waterblock companies still are not make the fullcover waterblocks to popular brands and models on P55 in these days? I mean one piece of it LOL! Like which made for Evga Classified.

I seeing alot of people who prefer to shift the P55 platform because of their limited budget or other personal reasons. May be I may prefer to shift the P55 platform as well in near future but firstly I would like to see what waterblock companies has fullcover blocks for my future P55 mobo exactly. I also believe that i5 and P55 will have great potential on some special models like Evga P55 FTW or FTW 200. It will be great to see these products under water.

By the way, its not only issue which making the fullcover waterblock for P55, its important thing what their materials like only from acetal, only nickel or combined with nickel and plexi. This option will can improve company goals quite well too.

EK Waterblocks only has the EK-FB ASUS P7P55D Kit for P55 right now. I think they wants some more time for that. I also curious about Eddy's reply on this thread. He should have some words about the issue.

What do you think guys about these issue? I would like to know your important informations, thoughts and feelings about it down here.

Thanks for your time and reading this.

PS: I just added a poll about it. Please you use it and describe your needs in this thread.

Cheers,
Arthur

Imo... Every motherboard should have blocks available :D <-- Wants a NB/SB EK block for P6T-deluxe :(

the question for me is there anything to cool by water on this boards? may be passive stock aircooling is more than enough for good OC'ing?
If yes, I would like to see FC blocks for mobos like EVGA SLI, FTW or FTW 200

btw EK has fullcover for Maximus III Formula

yeah.,me also want full block for my giga p55 ud4p..

If there was a point/use for it yes. But from every review/user post I read it is clear that the P55 boards don't run hot and don't need the cooling power like the X58 chipset.

If you have the budget to go watercooling you'd rather go with X58 motherboards anyway.. ? especially if you're considering full watercooling (if you're doing the mobo it means you alread have the CPU and GPU covered... and enough radiator to cool all that. not cheap by any means).

not true, no way im going to be buying a x58 system but i'll deff watercool a chip on a p55, supposedly the msi p55-gd65 needs extra cooling so why not release a block for that? anything with pwm power should have waterblocks available too as we all know they get warm...

my 780i only put out something like 27w yet there are numerous blocks available for it.. mine even watercools the freakin nf200 chip as well. so why not have p55 blocks? i know i hope they are available for purchase when i snag a board in the coming months.

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Originally Posted by gmat

If you have the budget to go watercooling you'd rather go with X58 motherboards anyway.. ? especially if you're considering full watercooling (if you're doing the mobo it means you alread have the CPU and GPU covered... and enough radiator to cool all that. not cheap by any means).

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Because in some cases, gaming for example, the X58 Chipset/CPU combo is a waste of money compared to the P55 chipset. Runs hotter =/= more power consumption =/= thus need more cooling = even more cash.

Even a i5 661 Dual core runs circles around a 920 in games.

My watercool setup wil be a i5 750 with 1 or 2 HD5850. The extra $150-200 spend on an i7 rig is better spend on extra GPU power. My rig will be somewhere between €370-390 for all WC components (Just 1 360 rad)

The P55 PCH has a TDP of 4W... thats even less than a ICH9R Southbridge ;)

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Originally Posted by Elpy

Imo... Every motherboard should have blocks available :D

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I agree with you.
Why not?
I know maybe would be expensive that every brand has all the waterblocks for every motherboard but at least should be available WC blocks for thos "high end" p55 motherboards.

But in the other hand, may be a more realistic thought, why would one, who is on a budget, buy a WC block for it's P55?
I mean with the money he will spend on a WC for its P55 plus the money he spent on a i5, I am sure that he will be able to buy an i7. At least I would do that, first I would try to reach a i7 system than a i5 system with WC.

I shouldn't forget other vairants like taste, personal experiences, etc. Maybe someone who has already tryed i7 wants to take a look to an i5, and because he wants the best of the best on every one of his systems, he buy an i5 plus a compatible WC.

To conclude, for me: yes, there should be WC Blocks available for P55 motherboards, if it is not for every mother, will be for at least the most powerfull ones.

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Originally Posted by Kadett

Even a i5 661 Dual core runs circles around a 920 in games.

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Thanks for my daily laugh! :)

i would like to see some blocks too. i have a evga p55 ftw.
even thou on many boards the p55 chip cooling is not an issue, mosfet and ram cooling still is and it would be nice to have a matching FC mobo block to go with it.
if not for added cooling performance then for looks.

Yes probably only for look on P55 boards if there's no N200 chip. Because... it's not really hot during operation, also if OCed... I mean... on a X58 yes it make sense from a technical point of view for high overclocking but on P55... I don't see any technical benefit. Except, as I said, if there's some N200 chip.

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Originally Posted by Kadett

Even a i5 661 Dual core runs circles around a 920 in games.

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People really amaze me.

You guys watercool instead of going 1 up tier, and thats funny.

Personally id get the highest end EQ, then add water later.
Not get mid tier EQ and water at the same time.

A long time ago, about 5-6yrs ago... reason why we watered was we didnt need to upgrade.
We take out kit, and move it over to another platform without needing anymore then a cpu mount.

Now board blocks and GPU FC blocks change everything. There is no lets take this to the new platform when we upgrade.

So in my eyes then, Highest Tier EQ first... then the accessories which is the blocks next.

And a P55 loaded will NEVER beat a X58 loaded.
The X58 loaded will cost 70% more tho.

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

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People really amaze me.

You guys watercool instead of going 1 up tier, and thats funny.

Personally id get the highest end EQ, then add water later.
Not get mid tier EQ and water at the same time.

A long time ago, about 5-6yrs ago... reason why we watered was we didnt need to upgrade.
We take out kit, and move it over to another platform without needing anymore then a cpu mount.

Now board blocks and GPU FC blocks change everything. There is no lets take this to the new platform when we upgrade.

So in my eyes then, Highest Tier EQ first... then the accessories which is the blocks next.

And a P55 loaded will NEVER beat a X58 loaded.
The X58 loaded will cost 70% more tho.

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I'd say you're right for the most part. But some people may just be transitioning from a air cooled rig to a water cooled one, and of those most people may have just gone for a slightly milder rig than what some have here.
Besides, the Core i5 670 looks like a damn fine OCing chip for 1156.

If a water block was made for the P55 ftw, I'd probably be tempted to buy it. I don't know if it needs it, but it'd be aesthetically pleasing.

I own the EK ASUS P7P55B "set" - I will absolutely be using the mosfet block but I am still debating using the SB block for several reasons. The mosfets do indeed get hot, that's what transistors do. The SB doesn't get too hot as was previously mentioned, but routing tubing there due to the non-fullcover nature of the set seems to be more of a pain in the @$$ than cooling the SB is worth. If it were a fullcover block I would do it in a heartbeat.

About top-end P55 vs X58 performance, X58 will win but only marginally. This is due to the extra memory latency/bandwidth afforded by Quick Path Interconnect and Triple-Channel Memory.

I personally chose the P55 platform after a year of waiting for Bloomfield to transition to 32nm, but after learning that it won't happen I jumped ship to Lynnfield (yes, there will be a 32nm chip for X58 platforms, but according to all PR it will be hex-core variants. I don't want to spend the premium for that when commercial apps still do not show marked improvements and parallel computation). Lynnfield was more attractive to me because I will never go Dual-Slot SLI (only single card - but extra PCIe lanes are available on boards with the nf200 chip), I liked the idea of putting the NB on the CPU die for a reduction in required waterblocks and tube routing, as well as the overall lower TDP vs Bloomfield.

Don't forget that all current Core i-x processors share the same Nehalem core, the only thing that differs between them is the unCore that surrounds them - they all pack the same raw computing potential (barring 2/4 core model differences, etc).

But to get back on track, if there were a fullcover block I would be all over it.

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

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People really amaze me.

You guys watercool instead of going 1 up tier, and thats funny.

Personally id get the highest end EQ, then add water later.
Not get mid tier EQ and water at the same time.

A long time ago, about 5-6yrs ago... reason why we watered was we didnt need to upgrade.
We take out kit, and move it over to another platform without needing anymore then a cpu mount.

Now board blocks and GPU FC blocks change everything. There is no lets take this to the new platform when we upgrade.

So in my eyes then, Highest Tier EQ first... then the accessories which is the blocks next.

And a P55 loaded will NEVER beat a X58 loaded.
The X58 loaded will cost 70% more tho.

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I clearly ment gaming, not benchmarking or using heavy programs to encode. And you proven yourself wrong with your last sentence. Why spend 70% more when the task at hand doesn't need it. Why waste that 70% more on maybe 10-20% overall performance boost. If you got money to spare, go for it. But realize some people have a limit in what to spend and spend it wisely ;)

Why should I 'go up' when the parts I've chosen are perfectly suited for my tasks(mostly Gaming and some video encoding). Socket 1366 will cost me rougly €200 more (not even considering the WC parts needed to cool = €150 more) and dont give me any frame more per second when I'm gaming compared to a i5 750. Add a second HD5850 to the rig for that €200(even if the P55 only supports x8 PCIE 2.0 lanes) and voila; you double your fps and saved yourself the trouble of dealing with an extra WC block in the loop.

I'm gonna watercool the rig because its f'in hot here in the summer and I dont want to listen to a HD5850 jetplane fan. Since the P55 doesn't need a WC block (finally on topic again :D) the only part that can be used once is my EK 5850 block. And because I dont buy a new card within 2-3 years that money is rather well spend.

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

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People really amaze me.

You guys watercool instead of going 1 up tier, and thats funny.

Personally id get the highest end EQ, then add water later.
Not get mid tier EQ and water at the same time.

A long time ago, about 5-6yrs ago... reason why we watered was we didnt need to upgrade.
We take out kit, and move it over to another platform without needing anymore then a cpu mount.

Now board blocks and GPU FC blocks change everything. There is no lets take this to the new platform when we upgrade.

So in my eyes then, Highest Tier EQ first... then the accessories which is the blocks next.

And a P55 loaded will NEVER beat a X58 loaded.
The X58 loaded will cost 70% more tho.

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i understand where youre coming from but by that logic we should all have Core i7 965's or whatever the baddest one is before we oc... there are plenty of people out here who dont do everything at once nor can they afford to so they are doign what they can with a P55 system and wish to watercool it later. after doing some research i now realize i could easily get away with just a new block for the cpu and leave air cooling on everything and be just fine unless there is some pwm power on the board in which case i'd want to put a block on that. either way im not goign with core i7... i dont edit movies or run the WCG stuff or use my box as a server so the extra memory bandwidth is really just an extra cost, i also dont plan on ever running more than one video card again... at the time i bought my board and CPU the 780i was the baddest thing i could find and the Q6600 was the baddest cpu i could find before the next step up was double the price... and it was a waste... id rather get 85-90% of the performance for 50% of the cost now... thats why we are dealing with P55

sorry for the long rant. :yepp:

i would love a block for my EVGA P55 FTW (non nf200)

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Originally Posted by Kadett

Because in some cases, gaming for example, the X58 Chipset/CPU combo is a waste of money compared to the P55 chipset. Runs hotter =/= more power consumption =/= thus need more cooling = even more cash.

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so instead your gonna watercool a P55?

According to your statement,

The P55 = runs cooler, less power consumption... thus wouldnt need watercooling... instead of spending the money on water get better GPU's then.

If u do see FB blocks for the P55, it will be only on the high end.
The P series itself is not in the enthusiast catigory.

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Originally Posted by RoadconeTuning

i understand where youre coming from but by that logic we should all have Core i7 965's or whatever the baddest one is before we oc... there are plenty of people out here who dont do everything at once nor can they afford to so they are doign what they can with a P55 system and wish to watercool it later. after doing some research i now realize i could easily get away with just a new block for the cpu and leave air cooling on everything and be just fine unless there is some pwm power on the board in which case i'd want to put a block on that. either way im not goign with core i7... i dont edit movies or run the WCG stuff or use my box as a server so the extra memory bandwidth is really just an extra cost, i also dont plan on ever running more than one video card again... at the time i bought my board and CPU the 780i was the baddest thing i could find and the Q6600 was the baddest cpu i could find before the next step up was double the price... and it was a waste... id rather get 85-90% of the performance for 50% of the cost now... thats why we are dealing with P55

sorry for the long rant. :yepp:

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Did u not understand what i said? and kept saying?

So your gonna invest 200-300 extra dollars on a full board + setup instead of stepping up one tier?
Does that honestly make any sense?

And yes its about 200-300 dollars.
We calculate full board block @ 100-150 + Pump (70-90) + Accessories.

No it makes no financial sense, unless your going for looks.
And to vendors it makes even less sense to please a small target of the audience.

If you bought a P55... 90% of the reasons why u bought it is because STRAIGHT UP you couldnt afford a X58 OR didnt see the need for excess.
And now your asking for excess when you didnt see/want it in the first place? (seriously... cry me a river.. you made a poor judgement in platforms).

If your in the 10% catigory, then you guys are expecting the vendors to please you guys?

Sorry... the 10% of you guys who have a P55, sell your stuff, and get a X58.
X58 users are more likely to dish out the cash for all this stuff and also get a vendor response doing so, and your guys are really crying for the moon.

P55 = budget / Consumer grade...
FULLBOARD blocks IS NEVER IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS BUDGET... and its most definitely not consumer grade.

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Originally Posted by Elpy

Wants a NB/SB EK block for P6T-deluxe :(

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EK should have one...
I didnt want to wait for a vendor so i had mine customed out..

If you really want to bling... custom it.

Bei Fei + Duniek + Iandh.

I just listed our 3 best custom builders our forum has to offer.

I love NaeKuh, but I have to say that I totally disagree with his argument that in terms of computers and water cooling, you have to "go big, or go home". And I totally agree with RoadconeTuning, Kadett, and Antioch that water cooling less than the most expensive components makes sense. A P55 board with an i5 Lynnfield with a single HD 5850, is an excellent choice, and it makes sense to water cool such a rig for all of the reasons stated above by RoadconeTuning, Kadett, and Antioch, so I won't repeat those arguments here.

IMHO, the purpose of water cooling is to push the the performance of the components we buy way beyond what their manufacturers intended. This is the same motivation behind overclocking in general, to get more than what you paid for, to get top shelf performance at a bottom shelf price. Overclocking however generates heat, and water cooling is the most efficient way to remove that extra heat. So why not water cool an i5? If you are one of the people who feel that the i5 + P55 platform is a better value than the i7 +X58 platform, why are you not allowed to water cool it? Assuming the water cooling costs are the same, are you not still saving money by water cooling the i5 + P55 platform? The argument that you must buy the i7 +X58 platform and air cool it, does not make sense to me.

Now NaeKuh is absolutely right that the water block makers should only make blocks with the highest profit potential, and he may even be right that the highest profit potential is to make blocks only for the i7 +X58 platform crowd, because they presumably have more disposable income to spend (because they are richer). However, I would not be so quick to eliminate the i5 + P55 platform people from my potential customer base as impoverished peasants either. There are always going to be more peasants than noblemen. So it might be true that you can sell a few expensive X58 blocks to some rich folks, but you might also be able to sell a lot more less expensive P55 blocks to the more middle class people. This however is really a business decision, with considerable business risk, and the seller would have to sell a lot of P55 blocks in order to lower the price through the lower marginal cost created by high volume sales.

So what am I saying? In a perfect world, I would like to see a P55 block. However, in reality it might not be feasible. X58 people will pay $100+ for a full coverage water block. But will P55 people pay that? Are there enough P55 customers to justify a $50 price for a full coverage block? I have no idea, and I am not in a position to make this kind of business decision, but maybe Eddy at EK, or the boys in Taiwan will try it.

Last thing: On a personal note, I am right now thinking about water cooling a $99 AMD Propus quad core. :up: The main reason for doing it, is that NaeKuh is going to hate it! I think it will cost $500 for the computer parts, and $500 for the water cooling parts. Not to mention the case which could be another $500! iNsan3? Not to me, it makes perfect sense. ;)

Then fine.. u guys want a taste of upper tier...

Contact one of the 3 guys i just listed.

Iandh = Cali
Bei Fei = Texas
Duniek = EU

Have them make you a Fullboard block.

However i honestly think a 200 dollar GPU/CPU upgrade > Full board block.

200 dollars would also get you 2 SSD's to Raid...

My 2 cents into this top-tier vs. lower-tier+watercooling argument. Water cooling has advantages over air. It is up to a user to choose between the performance difference of going higher tier and the watercooling advantages of watercooling a lower tier computer. You can't assume that anyone who chooses the watercooling advantages over the performance difference is wrong. It all depends on circumstance.

For example, if somebody doesn't need the encoding/multi-thread power of an i7 but wants a very silent computer, then it absolutely makes sense for him to buy a cheaper Phenom II rig and a waterloop.

I'm not getting into the pissing match because you guys are arguing over personal preferences more than anything else. Some do it just because they can, some for looks and some for performance... we all have our own means of justification, now group hug. :)

What I do want to comment on is the idea that wattage of a chip determines whether or not to cool it, which isn't always the case as chips have operating temperature ranges. The chip may only output 5W, but if you exceed the operating temperature range then your stability is out the window and you'll need to find better cooling to regain stability or push your gear like you want.

Now back to my cave I go. :D

I'm not getting into the argument other than to make the following observation.

It *may* be the case that manufacturers view the P55 market as a "mainstream" market in which they will not make any sales. However, it may also be the case that full-cover blocks for P55 boards are not entirely viable.

The reason full cover blocks on P45 and X58 boards are so popular is because it became a chore to route tubing between 2 MOSFET blocks, a NB block, and a SB block (or.. bling, whichever you prefer). However, with the advent of P55 boards there is no longer a NB to cool. This leaves the MOSFETs and the SB - between which there is quite a large distance. Seeing as how the SB doesn't really need cooling (and may see a RISE in temps from relatively hotter loop water) manufacturers may have decided that full-cover blocks were unnecessary in this case.

It would seem that this theory fits the facts based on EK's P55 block set. This set includes an L shaped MOSFET block that eliminates the need for 2 MOSFET blocks, giving a "fullcover" feel. It also includes a SB block. I have this set and have been wondering A) Is it even WORTH cooling the SB? and B) How the hell will I be able to efficiently and cleanly stretch my tubing route all the way over to the SB?

The fullcover argument will die in a processor generation anyways. The NB is gone and the SB is soon to be swallowed up, leaving nothing but the MOSFETs... Enjoy your fullcover bling while it lasts.

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Originally Posted by Antioch

The fullcover argument will die in a processor generation anyways. The NB is gone and the SB is soon to be swallowed up, leaving nothing but the MOSFETs... Enjoy your fullcover bling while it lasts.

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Yes! All hail the coming of the age of the common man! Well not so fast: even though the NB & SB will be gone (good riddance), there will always be some kind of bling to separate the top-tier people from the rest of the people, you can be sure of that! Dunno what it will be, maybe a solid diamond cpu block*, who knows, but there will be something, you can bet on it.

@NaeKuh: Sorry for saying you were "wrong", because technically it is a matter of opinion, and you can't really be wrong. And you are right, I should get a custom water block some day, because I luvs me them DFI mobo's and having a full coverage block would be totally sweet. (But only if I can get mine etched with a unicorn.)




*think a diamond water block is crazy? Crazy awesome is what it would be: Diamond has thermal conductivity of 2000 W/mK, whereas Copper has thermal conductivity of 400W/mK, meaning a solid diamond water block would be five times better at cooling than a solid copper block. Oh yeah, and it would need to be about 45 carats, which would cost a lot ($1M?), but it would be the ultimate in cooling and bling.

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*think a diamond water block is crazy? Crazy awesome is what it would be: Diamond has thermal conductivity of 2000 W/mK, whereas Copper has thermal conductivity of 400W/mK, meaning a solid diamond water block would be five times better at cooling than a solid copper block. Oh yeah, and it would need to be about 45 carats, which would cost a lot ($1M?), but it would be the ultimate in cooling and bling.

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Industrial diamonds ;)

...and wouldn't a diamond base be enough? The fiddly bits could be made with copper, brass or stainless. Imagine, if you will, an industrial diamond base with copper fins... :shocked:

I just priced 2 comparable eVGA boards + blocks. The comparable i7 p55 ended up being $30 less. That's not a lot.

The primary scale-tipping factor for me in the X58/P55 debate was simply the "cool" factor in that Lynnsfield was "newer" and had the on-die NB. Yes, I too am a proponent of modernity. :)

P55 Classified is $320 .. X58 Classified is $480, even the E760 Classified is $389
the P55 FTW is only $200

diamond waterblock? would be nice. million dollar pc ..

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

so instead your gonna watercool a P55?

According to your statement,

The P55 = runs cooler, less power consumption... thus wouldnt need watercooling... instead of spending the money on water get better GPU's then.

If u do see FB blocks for the P55, it will be only on the high end.
The P series itself is not in the enthusiast catigory.

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That was my point all along. I only watercool the parts that actually need it for me to have a silent system that has enough cooling power. Just replaced my 8800 G92 with a HD5850 and the fan makes more noise at idle then the 8800 at load :rofl: Cant really see why people 'praise' the HD5850 for low idle noise.

So instead spending another 100,- for the EK Asus P7P55 blocks + 30,- for fittings and another 20,- for upgrading to a MCP355 instead of the 350, I already have 'saved' myself a fair amount of money to almost buy a second HD5850 (minus the waterblock of course :D )

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Originally Posted by Kadett

So instead spending another 100,- for the EK Asus P7P55 blocks + 30,- for fittings and another 20,- for upgrading to a MCP355 instead of the 350, I already have 'saved' myself a fair amount of money to almost buy a second HD5850 (minus the waterblock of course :D )

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and i call you one of the smarter ones.. :yepp:

This is always my recommendation on ANY PLATFORM.

Get the better hardware first, and then accommodate..

not get lower hardware, with accommodations.

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Originally Posted by eth0s

@NaeKuh: Sorry for saying you were "wrong", because technically it is a matter of opinion, and you can't really be wrong. And you are right, I should get a custom water block some day, because I luvs me them DFI mobo's and having a full coverage block would be totally sweet. (But only if I can get mine etched with a unicorn.)

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No your right its all in personal tastes and ive been here b4 too.
I watercooled a budget platform, and got horrible results with it.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0855.jpg

I learned Budget + water should never be mixed together, because you'll run into hardware limitations b4 your water even becomes a merit.
NEVER will i do it again.. instead i learned you get a X48 instead of all that water option....

But... seems like you guys are totally jumping on the bling wagon.
Well thats fine... i wont criticize you guys anymore.

But if we look at it..

A fully blingd out watered P55 in my eyes will never look as sexy as a fully hardware loaded X58 on nice air.
Performance wise, id think the X58 system would still beat the P55 system.

Uh NaeKuh, just what kind of textured paint did you use on that (I assume) 690?

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Uh NaeKuh, just what kind of textured paint did you use on that (I assume) 690?

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u know i forget... its been so long ago... i couldnt tell ya..

its the last time i decided to ever paint a case myself.

Next time im sending it off to someone.

And yeah its a CM690, the first or second...on the forum to have a full perfect internal build also.
(actually i think i was racing someone on the forum to be first...)

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0863.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0850.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0856.jpg

The water parts almost = the hardware cost... :rofl:
Which is why im telling u guys.. i learned a very costly lesson that day... and i dont want you people repeating it.

anybody who takes any of their hardware beyond manufacturer specifications will at least think about venturing into alternative cooling options.

many actually make it a point to take a lower end or mid range part and run it at it's maximum capacity.

i often feel that extreme hardware does not always justify it's extreme price.
for example:
an intel i7 860 or i7 920 performs well for a mainstream platform and i7 975 will not double in performance but it's price is 4 times higher.

comparing the chipsets P55 and X58, there is still a good $100 dollar difference on average with actual performance differences fairly minimal. the only thing the X58 really outshines the P55 is in SLI/CF applications.
also, the X58 has been out a bit longer and prices have dropped.

if one decides to remain on a single video card, there is really no point of shelling out the extra money for the board and it would be better invested in other hardware upgrades including alternative cooling.

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Originally Posted by bot@xs

if one decides to remain on a single video card, there is really no point of shelling out the extra money for the board and it would be better invested in other hardware upgrades including alternative cooling.

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i guess this is where i dont see the objective meeting the end result.

Air is fine.. i dont see why you guys think water is that much greater then air.

Water is only greater then air, when you need that room or reserve.

If you dont have that reserve, then there is really no point in water, because you can mirror its results on air.

Same goes with half built LC systems. If the system isnt setup properly, you wont see the benefit of water, and we bring ourselves back on the ever so heated topic on whats better water or air.

Just because u got water running though your system does not mean it will perform better then an air system.

I can think of plenty of people on this forum who dont touch water, only does air, and would probably give 2/3rds of us in water a good run for there money in raw performance numbers.

What i forgot is, were so stuck up on bling.. hey im guilty of it myself even...
If bling is what you want... then by means go for it.

Bling doesnt need any other reason besides "because i want it."
But watercooling a budget platform hoping to get performance benefits is just wishing too much.

Your hardware is tax'd as it is.. water wont help you get a truck though a mouse hole... however a bigger mouse hole will.

^ is what im trying to say...

Well I have to say there are exceptions (of course there always are), but I pretty much agree with you. For instance, I'm building a whole new loop for a new rig this summer. I just wanted it to be ready as a drop in and go kinda thing, and it will take me a few months to get it done with my limited time. Mainly waiting on the new T3 to come out at this point. My last loop was pretty decent, but will get placed on my more "modest" crunching rig. Thats mainly becuase I have the parts to do it. That would be the exception. I get the silence and cooling of the loop I already have for a fairly low end rig (but very power efficient), becuase I dont want the parts to just sit there and I never sell anything. But I'd never go out and buy new WC parts for such a low end rig.

i just build a dedicated folding rig with the awesome fry's deal (:up: thx again) you posted.
the rig has 2x 280's and a Q6600 @ 3.6ghz which runs on a blockops, all housed in an antec 300.
the 280 keep it pretty cozy inside and the DD system keeps the Q6600 in the early 50's with all 4 cores fully loaded.
i don't regret spending $70 bucks on the DD

all in all, yes it is about bling but as mentioned noise is a factor too.
i also like to believe that with WC i am less susceptible to weather seasons and other outside influences. besides .. it's fun
i see how one could say it is not feasible to spend $500 bucks on WC for a $500 dollar system

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

i guess this is where i dont see the objective meeting the end result.

Air is fine.. i dont see why you guys think water is that much greater then air.

Water is only greater then air, when you need that room or reserve.

If you dont have that reserve, then there is really no point in water, because you can mirror its results on air.

Same goes with half built LC systems. If the system isnt setup properly, you wont see the benefit of water, and we bring ourselves back on the ever so heated topic on whats better water or air.

Just because u got water running though your system does not mean it will perform better then an air system.

I can think of plenty of people on this forum who dont touch water, only does air, and would probably give 2/3rds of us in water a good run for there money in raw performance numbers.

What i forgot is, were so stuck up on bling.. hey im guilty of it myself even...
If bling is what you want... then by means go for it.

Bling doesnt need any other reason besides "because i want it."
But watercooling a budget platform hoping to get performance benefits is just wishing too much.

Your hardware is tax'd as it is.. water wont help you get a truck though a mouse hole... however a bigger mouse hole will.

^ is what im trying to say...

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You failed to mention acoustics. For some of us, "raw performance" means nothing if PC noise ends up on our recordings.

Give me a dead-silent p35 system I can use for gaming, composing, audio editing and recording any day over a Hoover of an i7 system. I don't care what the theoretical performance numbers are if the system doesn't meet my needs.