aBit officially closes vDimm/vTT thread.

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12-09-2003, 06:39 PM
axiom

aBit officially closes vDimm/vTT thread.

well as far aBit is concerned the vDimm and vTT problem is now resolved. They have closed the thread and will not answer any more questions.

I've already written to just about every person at ziff davis and they have been quite attentive to my problem. You can see my letter and response from them here:

http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showth...hreadid=251990

I suggest everyone else do the same with other magazines and sites.

On one last note, what good is a review site if all they care about is whether the companies will send them more products if they gave them a bad review.

Cheers,
Axiom
12-09-2003, 10:33 PM
freecableguy

Why not give up and go back to the IC7-G - I don't think OTES does anything anyway...
12-10-2003, 06:04 AM
st0nedpenguin

Somebody needs to give ABIT a kick up the arse, if I had paid £150 for a MAX 3 and was told to break off a cap and live with VTT problems I would be pretty damn pissed.

Good move writing to magazines though, maybe a few of those glowing reviews can be reviewed in light if this.
12-10-2003, 12:18 PM
Iridium192_217

I agree with you st0ned, that mobo was supposed to be hardware gold & its garbage...
12-10-2003, 04:50 PM
sinn

and yet ill still be buying one in a week or so, always optimistic!
12-11-2003, 08:25 AM
BBThumper

Quote:

Originally posted by Iridium192_217
I agree with you st0ned, that mobo was supposed to be hardware gold & its garbage...

..........Philadelphia 17-3-7-1, buy Asus and root for the Flyers :D ..........
12-11-2003, 01:12 PM
Iridium192_217

Quote:

Originally posted by BBThumper
..........Philadelphia 17-3-7-1, buy Asus and root for the Flyers :D ..........

haha philly always chokes, it'll happen sooner or later:D

I have an asus mobo, best there is IMO
12-11-2003, 03:25 PM
Clevor

So what's the final story on the board: RMA it to Abit? Then they desolder something but it's still not all there? I'm wondering whether to do that or sell the board.

I just got an early IC7 and the board rocks! Extremely stable with the latest BIOs, on a par with the P4C800-E, except VDIMM up to 2.8. The 5:4 limit with BH-5 is 280 fsb or so, the best I've seen so far 'cept for the Asus boards, which have none. Definitely more predictable than the MaxIII, even below 2.9 VDIMM.
12-11-2003, 04:05 PM
NaHeMiA

Yeah just RMA the board and they will remove that one cap.

No fixes to VTT problems though. These people don't want to take the effort, money, and time to FIX this goddam problem.

This is why I go Asus
12-11-2003, 05:24 PM
Iridium192_217

lol they unlocked the topic, its back
12-11-2003, 08:09 PM
axiom

maybe someone can figure this one out.

After aBit PR closed the vDimm/Vtt thread and deleted a whole bunch of my posts, and gave me a threat that I would be banned if I talked about it on the abit forums anymore. I wrote to PC Magazine Chief Editor, who wrote back to me and said that he has spoken to a special contact inside aBit and that they will be contacting me soon via Email.

Today the thread magically opened up and aBit PR made it look like he had no idea why it was closed in the first place. Meanwhile we was sending me PMs telling me not to talk about it anymore.

Who was it that PC Mag talked to that made aBit open the thread up again. Why did they open it up? Did PC Mag figure something out warned aBit not to mess up cause they have their eye on them.

Magazines are always looking for a good story. Is aBit really conspiring to not fix the bugs and trying to cover up. Did PC Mag catch on and ABit decided to revist the issue instead of ignoring it?

Then I PMed aBit PR and what rule I broke by posing a question of "Why have closed the vDimm thread?", and he replied that I was breaking the rule making aBit look bad. How does that make aBit look bad. It was just a question, a simple answer would've been adequate. Instead he just deleted the thread. Then I said to him.

Me: Why are you beating around the bush, why don't you just tell me that you guys can't figure out what is wrong with the board, and I will cut the damn trace and fix the board my self".

aBit PR: "I don't know what trace cut you are talking about"
I'm sorry but this is all a little too strange.

NOTE: CATCH22ATPLAY and BIGTOE presented their finds to aBit PR last week. And the mod has already been in several forums.

Me: There is already a fix that Catch22AtPlay found, will you guys cut the trace for me, and soldier the wires and still give me my warranty?" The mod is located here: http://www.3dmaxx.net/forums/showthr...p?threadid=546

30 mins later, the vDimm forum had a posting from aBit PR saying that he will send this finding to aBit Taiwan to see if it is a workable solution. Where the hell was he last week went the solution was sent to him, and was he just bull$hit his way through?

This is all too strange.

I would love to hear some comments on this.

Cheers,
Axiom
12-12-2003, 04:19 AM
Shane5578

i remember when the first vdimm probs was discovered.

it was hard to convince him there was a problem with the max3. and all he said was the ram was faulty. lol

in the end he's only a PR, it don't matter if the vtt is fixed or not he just wants all the complaints to just stop.
12-12-2003, 10:21 AM
scanido

Its obvious Abit really wants to leave this in the dust, but the issue has grown to big for them to handle anymore. I'm sure there will be light at the end of the tunnel!
12-12-2003, 10:51 AM
NaHeMiA

I hope we can get the mags to shine some light on abits dark practices and watch their ratings go down. Maybe this will make them get off their @$$
12-12-2003, 01:53 PM
Levish

they sent me back a rma'd board with the mc64 cap still in place after i specifically told them my problem was with unstable vdimm voltages :(
12-12-2003, 02:14 PM
KPS

I also got my post deleted:mad:
12-12-2003, 02:43 PM
Shane5578

who was that guy who rma'd his board.

and when he got it back it had food and bits of crap on the motherboard. lol

it sure put me off rma to abit.

i actually still like the max3 even with all the probs.
12-12-2003, 03:07 PM
Iridium192_217

Quote:

Originally posted by Shane5578
who was that guy who rma'd his board.

and when he got it back it had food and bits of crap on the motherboard. lol

it sure put me off rma to abit.

i actually still like the max3 even with all the probs.

I really want to get this board. If it didn't have the vdimm problem, it would be by far the best out there. I hope it gets fixed
12-14-2003, 04:39 AM
charlie

lol...
The Asus was one of the FIRST 875P's released and STILL the best!

C
12-15-2003, 01:36 AM
CATCH22ATPLAY

Oh my this is too funny. I leave for a week and look what happens. :D
12-15-2003, 02:08 AM
Sovereignty

Between this an the AN7 abit has really been batting 1.000. My next board will be an asus.
12-15-2003, 02:37 AM
Silversink

Quote:

Originally posted by NaHeMiA
I hope we can get the mags to shine some light on abits dark practices and watch their ratings go down. Maybe this will make them get off their @$$

Abit's not all bad, when my IC7's(G and non G) Northbridge landed on my 9800 and shorted the card out, they offered me a 5900 and a new mobo.
I had my 9800 fixed at an electronics shop as I didn't really want a 5900. But the fact remains Abit has decent business ethics, heck when the bad caps were an issue a couple years ago, Abit was one of the only Mobo makers to even admit there was a problem. While I do think Abit has some QC problems, I do think they are a responsible manufacturer that cares about their customers. I used to use only Abit mobos, but Asus also makes a great product, and I'm sticking with Asus for the foreseeable future.
12-15-2003, 08:40 AM
Underwater Mike

I wish I would've followed my instincts and gone to an Asus board, but the promised out-of-the-box Vdimm was too much of a lure. Should've known better.

As far as moving to another board right now, I'd do it if I could afford to. But after killing my IC7-G, this one has to last me another year. :(
12-15-2003, 03:48 PM
Clevor

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But the fact remains Abit has decent business ethics, heck when the bad caps were an issue a couple years ago, Abit was one of the only Mobo makers to even admit there was a problem. While I do think Abit has some QC problems, I do think they are a responsible manufacturer that cares about their customers.

I agree 100% with this. I still have several of the legendary BE6-II Rev. 2.0 boards, as well as a couple of VP-6, BX133-RAID, and SH6 boards. These are still highly revered boards on Ebay for the Coppermine crowd. As I got most my boards used, the caps are bad on them. Abit has replaced the caps on around six boards so far for free. True, they should have used good caps in the first place, but the boards are out of warrantee and according to their policy, normally a fee is charged.
12-15-2003, 09:16 PM
bmg

Hey guys, don't you remember the IC7 Vdimm and Vtt mods discussed here on Xtreme many months ago? Here's an early post on it:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...219#post147219 I posted all the details of the Vtt mod, but it's difficult to do without specialized equipment. Really sad that Abit screwed it up on the IC7 so badly.
12-15-2003, 09:36 PM
Rugged

Quote:

Originally posted by Shane5578
who was that guy who rma'd his board.

and when he got it back it had food and bits of crap on the motherboard. lol

it sure put me off rma to abit.

i actually still like the max3 even with all the probs.

That was me!

Then I gave them hell about it in the forums and our little friend abit pr banned me.

I have a friend that has been checking the progress on the abit forums for me and he has had damn near every post deleted that mentions anything about abit ignoring the problem. He was cautious not to violate any rules and our little friend abit pr sent him a warning that he needed to read the rules or would be banned. LOL
Childish abit childish!

It is obvious to me that abit wants to play games with their customers and hide the truth while trying to sweep this one under the rug.
They must be thinking...the longer they put it off and hide the problem they can come out with a new more expensive board and people will forget about it and pay another 250+ bucks for a new version that will probably have more problems.
I think I have reached the end of my abit punishment.
First I buy the BH7 that was touted as the best overclocking motherboard ever and it was supposed to support the at the time new 800fsb P4's...NOT
I buy the IC7-G.....we all know the touting that this one got...maximum undervolter.
I buy the IC7-MAX3..... again bent over by abit and another 200+ bucks down the drain. I rma it and get a used motherboard back with someones lunch all over it and I warn others about their rma's and gripe about it on their forums, so they ban me.

Yup this is a top notch company. LOL
Your relible partner is just there to bend you over and take what they can.
12-16-2003, 01:36 AM
CATCH22ATPLAY

The only problem i ever had from an abit mobo was one i got from Axiom tech. Was a KR7a and it was rusted. Caps had dings on em and rust was everywhere. Dunno if Axiom did it or Abit. But i was offered a replacement from Axiom. That mobo actually killed my 2000xp cpu in less than 4 hours. Finally found a loose cpu Vcore cap. Soldered it back together and decided to keep the mobo. It ended up being a great mobo. I've returned a couple mobos to Abit and and had no problems there except maybe it took too long. I don't know of any other mobo manufacturer with better return policies. I think they try harder than anyone else to take care of costumers. Just remember Abit USA doesn't make the mobos. They don't actually have that much pull. Abit Tawain is where all complaints should go. I'll keep buying ABit so long as i can mod em. All theese mobos have to be modded to include the Asus mobo.

BMG yes i remeber your 1st post of VDD and VTT mod. I too saw the Jap VDD/VTT mod before the IC7 was released in the USA. I never did like the way they did it. So i had to update the mods. I always like improving a mod or doing it completely different. A lot of people have contributed to the vdd and vtt mods and we should all get some credit for it or at least a free mobo. :D
12-16-2003, 04:45 PM
Clevor

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The only problem i ever had from an abit mobo was one i got from Axiom tech.

WATCH OUT FOR AXIONTECH!!! Your experience confirms my suspicions about them. I ordered what was supposed to be a brand new dual Socket370 Iwill board. The board had screw marks on the mounting pads, plus a layer of dust on the top of the box. Axiontech insisted it was a new board. They gave me a hard time about RMAing it, then charged me a 20% restocking fee. On a $187 purchase I was out $67, since they told me I was responsible for shipping both ways.

I had to resort to my credit card company and I finally had to threaten to get Iwill involved is all of this (are they shipping refurbished boards as new?). The bank got all my money back.

Their customer support guys are good people, but not the owner. I avoid them now.
12-16-2003, 11:50 PM
CATCH22ATPLAY

I'm just gonna have to agree with you there. They told me it was brand new as well. It was a refurb or return or whatever. But I've actually bought some other things from them like vid carda and cpus. All were excellent O/Cers. So no complaints there. I was hoping it was maybe a mistake. Sounds like maybe it wasn't. Hell i've seen modded ABit mobos sold locally here. They were modded to lower cpu V core. WTF that made no sense at all. Noticed the crooked resistor piggybacked from one resistor to a ground point. Removed that POS resistor and Vcore tracked normally. I went to the local store and accused them of modding the Abit mobos. They denied it of course. I don't shop there anymore btw. I don't mind modding my own stuff. But modding something for me to keep me from O/Cing really pisses me off. So F that local company. Hm i guess that makes 2 wierd ABit stories ;)