They have them over at www.frozencpu.com. Should have mine today and maybe get some testing done over the holiday.:shrug:
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They have them over at www.frozencpu.com. Should have mine today and maybe get some testing done over the holiday.:shrug:
Make a review m8!
Wonder when these will finally sail into the UK?
Wonder if there're any reviews out there ;(
here you goQuote:
Originally Posted by totalz
http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=5576
but i like to see another review out there.
NEED MORE REVIEWS!!! The only one (that was linked above) on the internet right now says:which is quite :shocked::shocked:Quote:
For those TL;DR, Megatron and CU TRUE were ~68C, Ven-X is ~60C. At load on a 980X processor. - videoman5 from OCN
If those results are true, I'll definitely order one.
Wow, $75. That's insane
that results are awesome!
But are they real? Don't think so.
Now that the holidays are over and I have a test bench up I'll have more time to tinker. Any tests in particular other than occt you would like run? My 2 i7 rigs are currently spoken for with other projects but the test bench is a decent one. E8600, 2GB Cellshock "blues", Rampage Extreme and obviously the Venomous-X w/ 2x Triebwerk 1.8krpm 120 x 55mm fans push pull. <--rediculous price but they are alot easier on the ears than ultra kaze 3000's :) Other than that I have nothing to report right now other than stock idle bios temps.
18K RPM? Is that not a typo?! Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana:! :shocked:
Give us LinX temps with different fan speed settings please. :)
LOL sorry i'll go back and edit that. Should read 1.8k damn lappy.
Most definitely. LinX temps would be nice.
now just make it in copper and the size of the noctua dh14p and it will be a real air cooling monster.
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by snoro
Wonder if this will beable to fit on an AM3 ,that would be sweet
Don't see why not! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by XRogerX
It will with the optional mounting kit. Sadly, at this time it is still of the "old" type mount as opposed to the newer one. Maybe they will make an am3 version of the new mount at some time :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by XRogerX
sweet yes they do have a mounting unit for the AMD
Mount your cooler in either a Horizontal or Vertical position
Compatibility - Thermalright Venomous X / All Ultra series Ultra-120/Ultra-120 Extreme/TRUE 120/ HR-01 Plus / HR-01 4U / HR-01 3U / Ultima 90
Heres the link for it
http://www.crazypc.com/products/am2-rev2-509605.html
:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elloquin
im wondering if mounting that like an Intel system wouls my cooling be better
does anyone know?
Thanks for the results man, but do u have something that can be compared to this?
actally those results are :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by mav2000
my true with a washer + laped is better
both my megahalems and my coolmaster 212 slap it silly
I dont trust Wolfdale sensors one bit.
1. Someone show us some i7 results.
2. Compare it to TRUE/D14/What-ever on the same setup.
Then we're taking :up:
The sensors of that E8600 are definitely off.
i7 testing needs to be done.
Those core temps @ those volts with i7 would have been sweet but I guess we will have to wait more for the results.........
An E8600 at stock voltages is insignificantly hot. Maybe around 1.7v you should see something interesting.
An i7 test is required and a comparison with a decent heatsink for relevance.
It depends on the individual chip too, my Q822 E8400 gets insanely hot at 1.3V and beyond 4.3GHz, my E3110 on the other hand ran cool even at 1.4V.Quote:
Originally Posted by halfwaythere
OK, so we have the following comments :P
1. The temp sensors on the chip are off. Is there anything you would like me to do to rectify the situation? I agree that the board and the core temps shouldn't be 10c apart. Maybe the new mount is causing the discrepancy:shrug: Do you think they are reading too high or too low?
2. Run it on an i7. This can be done but it will have to wait for the weekend. I have a 975EE sitting in the box next to my classified.
3. Compare it to another cooler. This can be done as well. I have a copper TRUE I can throw on the same setup and rerun the test. Would that be something you would want to see?
Core2 45nm cpus are known for bad sensors. I have an E5200 that reaches 80 with 1.36v under a Megahalems, otoh I had a q6600 which never passed 60 at 1.5v with the same setup.
Heres what you can do: try to find the optimum voltage for your cpu to reach 4.2GHz, thats a pretty common freq for D0, and after that equip the heatsinks with a fan that keeps your temp below 90. The reason for this is the readings are more accurate the closer you get to Tjmax. I'm not sure if your Copper is lapped because they are known for very bad quality bases. And finally I would use the Venomous mounting system because the Copper one sucks.
Yes yes yes yes yes!! If you want to make it super super awesome then also do multiple seating results for each heatsink, since the variance in seatings can affect a temp for better or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elloquin
At this point I wouldn't get too excited lol. It was really bugging me last night so I tore down one of my i7 rigs spec are as follows:Quote:
Originally Posted by LarsMarkelson
Biostar X58 original rev.
Core i7 920 D0 I'd have to look for the batch number but it was that very first pre-order batch from tank guys when they released.
6 gigs Corsair Dominator GT ddr3 1600
That set up runs OCCT for 1 hr. at 4.2 21 x 200 1.262v everything on (HT Virt etc)on decent H20 (one loop 2 x 240 GTX rads w/ 3000rpm ultra kaze fans on high 2 x DD-CPX Pro pumps in series EK copper supreme and 2 4870 x2 full cover blocks) at around 62c. I have also 3d benched it at 4599 21 x 219 1.48v. It 2d benches at 21 x 226 (Pi and wprime 32m). Board max I have booted is 227. Thers a hard mod that lets it get to 335 or so but no one has posted it yet :shakes: .
So last night I set it up on the torture rack applied mx-2 and mounted the venomous-X. Same 1800rpm 80 or so cfm Triebwerks in push pull slightly higher ambient of 18c. Set it for 20 x 210 1.28v and ran linx. Temps shot up to 75c before it finished the first pass. They spiked past 80c on pass 4 and I shut it down. I rechecked the mouunt this morning before I left for work and it is indeed making good contact as far as tim spread shows nice even little square. The one thing I have noticed so far is that on both sets of hardware even with the pressure screw on the mount maxed out you can still give the cooler a twist you can't tilt it its more soild then that it just sort of glides to the right or left. It is more pronounced on the X58 than the X48.
So what does all of this mean? Nothing really it's too early to tell but it does not bode well :ROTF:
We want reviews now!!.
I'm very confuse between Venomous, Megshadow and NH-D14 :S :S :S :S
Well i have these three , True rev.C (lapped with pressure mod) ,MegaShadow (stock) and Venom X (stock), and my personal impressions.
Performance wise its.
1.Venom X (stock) & True rev.C (lapped with pressure mod) (Venom 1C better but thats within error margin)
2.MegaShadow (stock) (about 4c worse then those above). (I know some people keep saying Megahalem is better then True but that was not the case for me , maybe better then stock TRUE ? )
Mounting system.
1.Venom X (awesome with cookie on top)
2.MegaShadow (awesome mounting system)
3.True rev.C (stock mount sucks)
Can I ask what you used for testing to come to this conclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by -=DVS=-
At any rate here's the plan for tonight and maybe the next few days whatever lol. After reviewing a review of the venomous X on another site I noticed some discrepancies at least if people want apple to apples comparisons. It is in my opinion overkill to run LINX for stability testing. I can't think of any real world situation that is going to put that kind of strain on a cpu. I can see prime small ffts maybe as a comparison to a crunching rig but even that is pushing it. But that's just my opinion I'll try to get whatever results you ask for. I am going to throw the copper true on there tonight and no it's not lapped but it performed well on my i7 965ee@4.2 so it should do well on the 920. Again I just used it for benching so it never saw punishment the likes of linx. If it does better than the venomous (which i doubt) I'll try and mod the mount a bit and see if i can't get more pressure out of it. It can't really be washer modded because the screw in the center that adds presure screws down into a hole in the top of the sinks base. I woukd need to block that off and apply presure from a higher point. That's kind of iffy to me as i can see a socket getting hoarked pretty easily doing this if not very careful. What i wouldn't mind seeing is someone with an alternative heatsink megahalem, true whatever run linx at 4.2 on a 920 and post their results. I just don't see the relevance in running a chip at close to 90c fo 30 mins which is enough to destabilize it in the first place regardless of the test (LOL) Even if a heatsink were able to hold an i7 at 80c under linx what does that prove? I never ran linX before and probably won't again. Are we trying to see if an overclock is stable and test temps or just on a drag race to see who can actually get the closest to 90 and not crash :P I guess my question is what do you peeps expect from an air cooled heatsink?
Tested on system in my signature running LinX later did prime for more even temp consistency. Realtemp for readout.
That's really weird you can still slide it even on max pressure with X58. Imo that's not good!
I learned that it was right when you couldn't move the heatsink at all... but maybe this isn't right?
If that's not true, then perhaps you could get better results my lessening the pressure?
LOL yeah I gathered that :ROTF: I was wondering temps clockspeed screens if any. that sort of thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by -=DVS=-
Welp, it is mounted correctly I can assure you of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by LarsMarkelson
Nevermind :rofl: It needs to be run again without some changes I added as I went along. I opened hardware monitor after the change.
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n...Untitled-5.jpg
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n.../Untitled2.jpg
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n.../Untitled3.jpg
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n.../Untitled4.jpg
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n.../Untitled5.jpg
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n.../Untitled6.jpg
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n.../Untitled7.jpg
I want to clear some things: Megahalems never excelled at hi-rpm, above 2000 at least, being a cooler designed for 1500 rpm or less. Honestly I would like to see a versus against the NH-D14 because thats the best heatsink atm and I'm pretty sure it will crush this renamed TRUE.
But isn't the D14 twice as big as the X?Quote:
Originally Posted by halfwaythere
They are comparably priced plus you get 2 very decent fans with the Noctua. And the discussion is about absolute performance not practicality. And nobody is stopping TR or any other manufacturer to bring out something in the same league as the NH-D14.
It's rerunning LinX now. For whatever reason it likes being rotated 90 degrees and being mounted horizontally as opposed to vertically. Dunno if that makes a difference if the board is vertical or not but someone else will eventually test it in that configuration.
The cooler also doesn't like TIM :rofl: After I pulled the cooler I cleaned the base of the heatsink and just left the skim coat that was on the cpu and remounted. The mount is also much tighter in this orientation but a slight wiggle is still there but you need to apply a good amount of force. I think it has to do with the built in back plate on the mobo :shrug:
Lastly, I noticed I had a build up of heat at the exhaust of the Venomous and the back of the GFX card. The north bridge is in that area as well. I added a 120mm fan to the area to exhaust the heat.
It just passed loop 6 and the core temps via real temp are 74 68 70 65c. This is the same as the last run after I added the 120mm fan. The only review I found so far on the noctua was on a 965@4.3 and it was running OCCT but those temps were 79 74 77 71c after 20 mins non 64 bit. Review is here http://www.caseandcooling.fr/refroid...nh-d14?start=3
Anyone with a noctua NH d14 care to run linx on a 920 at 4.2? After this clean run is finished does anyone still want to see the copper true on the same setup?
Lastly here's a pic of the test bench.
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n...loquin/x58.jpg
As usual you lose that first ram slot in this orientation as well.
Results: Ambient 19c
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n...in/linxx58.png
No drastic improvement then, my Megahalems beats that (not by much, though). Although no lapping and pressure modding requirement is nice.
Thanks for testing! :up:
What fans are those you have mounted on the X? I'm pretty sure their are a lot better in every respect than the stock fans supplied with the Noctua. :)
Results on different cpus and mobos are not comparable for obvious reasons.
It was decided the temp sensors were off on the E8600 and the testing on that platform was abandoned.Quote:
Originally Posted by halfwaythere
As far as the fans. They are Triebwerks like I said in the beginning. They are 120 x 55mm 1800 rpm ~80cfm ~30db. They actually have less airflow then the ones supplied by noctua especially the 140 mm one. Two of those fans on this sink would probably offer better temps. 2 Ultra Kaze 3000 rpm 106cfm fans would be even better but the noise level is absurd. As it is now the Raptor X hard drive can be heard over the fans.
No nothing drastic but adding the blue led fan lowered the temps 4c. Feel free to share the result details with the megahalems :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
The fans supplied with the Noctua are 50-60 CFM units. Plus they are 25mm and that hurts air pressure a lot compared to thicker ones.
My friend is getting a 72.5 average at 1.31v with a Megashadow with 2x1.600 rpm Slip streams at 22 ambient. Honestly the X is looking pretty weak. Better luck next time.
Well for one the average on the last test was 70 on the max temps. You should go and recheck the specs on those noctua fans the 140 on high is 100 cfm. I'd link it but you aren't interested in a meaningful conversation. As for your friend lol have him drop by and link a result or post one or it didn't happen.
You're mistaking m3/h with CFM. Its impossible for a 1200 rpm fan to output 100 CFM even if its 140mm.
http://noctua.at/main.php?show=produ...3&lng=en&set=1
As for static pressure the Triebwerk has almost triple the value of the Noctua. I'm all for a meaningful discussion but if you're jumping on the fanboy wagon I'm gonna leave you with your heatsink.
Here are a few screens:
Noctua 2x1600 rpm 21 ambient:
http://www.lab501.ro/forum/attachmen...1&d=1258054831
Noctua 2x800 rpm 21 ambient:
http://www.lab501.ro/forum/attachmen...1&d=1258054831
Just throwing my 20 cents... different CPU samples will show different temps and difference can even be 5C in the same setup with same cooling and then add the different ambient temps of different setups we're talking about an additional ą3 C and besides that lets not forget the inaccuracy in software sensors which could also differ by several degrees. So the only way to compare the performance of a cooler is to do it on the same CPU in the same setup under same cooling conditions and the only factor you change is the cpu cooler itself. Otherwise it's just useless comparisions. With how close the heatsinks have come to each other today due to the designs are getting rather optimal now so it's difficult to improve, you really have to have accurate test methods.
Umm...both tests are using different cpu overclock and voltage. That's not a comparable test. Am I missing something? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by halfwaythere
I have received my Venomous X and will conduct tests comparing to my Rev C 120 with same fan, voltage etc to see if there really is a difference. :)
Better yet, compare it with the Megahalem and the D14 :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlybabyface
There is a little bird chirping in my ear about testing some of top dawgs of the Air Cooling world, but I want to hear from you guys on whether me throwing my hat in to the ring is worth it.
I'd test the Air Coolers much the same as CPU blocks, but obviously without the water sensors. What I had in mind was 2 or more sensors on both sides of the HS, giving Air In (Ambient) and Air Out temps, also giving Air Capacity used. However, I would still have to rely on the DTS sensors on the chip (i7 920 D0 of course) for calculating Air to Core Deltas. And yes, 5 mounts standard and each mount would run for 2 hours giving us 105 minutes of data for comparison per mount.
Thoughts/comments/suggestions?
Great / looking forward to it / start asap! :up: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
halfwaythere is right. Noctua NF-P14 just does a little bit more than 60 CFM. Read units before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elloquin
And if people use different fans , CPUs and setups then itīs going to be difficult to decide a winner.
A review should always use the same setup and same fans in order to decide which one is really the best heatsink.
Hmmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Like the sound of this. If you happen to need say a xiga 1284 lapped, True 120 lapped rev 1?, True 120 Black lapped rev 2? and a megahalems lapped for the compare I think I can help you out.
The OP asked for some Noctua results. I already stated earlier that any comparison done on different systems is pretty much pointless but you can get an idea about the cooling capacity of a product.Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlybabyface
And if one can handle 1.4+v with a couple of 1600 rpm Scythes I think you can say that product is pretty good.
The problem here is that the only thing new about the Venomous is the mounting system otherwise its the same old TRUE only lighter. I'm not sure what they went for: its still too dense to be any good at low rpm and its too light and small to be any better at high rpm. I guess some of us expected a groundbreaking heatsink that would really challenge the likes of Noctua and Prolima.
http://i50.tinypic.com/ribyat.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
I'd also love to see 3 different fan setups per setup:
(all dual fan push-pull)
-silent (~800rpm, I think that's what my ZM-F3 does at total silence)
-medium like a GentleTyphoon 1850 or a Sflex 1600, or even ZM-F3 full speed
-high, like San Ace H1011
Quote:
Originally Posted by halfwaythere
I'm not sure if 86C after ten minutes and a screen shot of a 15 minute test is "Handling it". Call me skeptical at best.
I'm also interested in your conclusion: " I'm not sure what they went for: its still too dense to be any good at low rpm and its too light and small to be any better at high rpm. " Is there enough testing published to conclude this?
Actually Venomous X has more space between its fins than the TRUE so it should be a lot better for low rpm. TRUE Rev C is great with low RPM fans anyways.
Temps between 15-60 minutes (for example) should change a little bit, but mostly because the whole system and case temp increases.Quote:
Originally Posted by lackobreath
About the conclusion, just based on the fact it has certain number of fins, enough to make it easy for some regular fans but canīt get too much extra with high rpm fans.
All I'm saying is I don't expect anything groundbreaking after the marketing hype. Sure the new mounting system is nice but thats too little too late. In the mean time other companies have stolen the show and TR has to play catchup and they don't seem to know what they are doing. Some of us were expecting something else.
And if 86 seems a lot I'm curios to see what other air cooling setup can do it better at 1.4+v on a regular i7, not the special review ones that are doing 60s at 1.45v with any crappy cooler, and a couple of 1600 rpm Scythes.
Just ran a quick test. Swapped in my Venomous X with same fan as used on 120E (default Thermalright) and looks like my load temps are down about 8-10 C. Looks like we have a winner....
Sounds as if something was horribly wrong with your last setup. I'm sure it's a great cooler but not that great.Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlybabyface
Why isn't it that great?Quote:
Originally Posted by th3pwn3r
because 8-10 difference between two 'high end' air coolers is similar to the difference of air and water setupsQuote:
Originally Posted by lkiller123
Well, it's default TRUE. Maybe the base of the cooler is just crap.
Who uses a stock TRUE? Use the X mounting system on a lapped TRUE and I bet the difference will vanish. Or even better compare it with very good setup out of the box like Megahalems and Noctua.
Using core 2 duo for testing a heatsink is making a story ^^, I dont trust that. Only when using core 2 quad or core i7 with high clock speed, then I trust.
Why would you not trust Wolfdale sensors? What makes i7/i5 any more "accurate" on temperatures?Quote:
Originally Posted by nullface
C2D sensors are known to be off.
I don't know how accurate the i7/5 sensors are, but is very common that wolfdale sensors are way off or stuck at certain temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by LedHed
Mine for instance cant read below 39C.
For those who have the cooler, can you measure how wide the universal socket bar is?
Thanks.
The whole mounting system is bigger than I expected. Unfortunately I didn't catch your request until after I assembled everything back into my case, otherwise I would've thrown up some dimensions. Hopefully someone else who is testing on the bench can help.
This is old tech for most of you guys, but may interest someone.
Mounting for Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P, fans facing up and down, heat pipes horizontal:
Attachment 100215
Mounting for Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P, fans facing front to back, heat pipes vertical:
Attachment 100216
Vertical is the only option on this unmodified board, as both the anchoring bracket mount and the pressure-adjustable mounting plate barely fit.
Securing the heatsink on the mount took less than a minute though.
I'll have the measurements for you around 5:30pm Eastern time. I haven't looked at this thread in a couple of days. Anything else you need? If so I need to know today or tomorrow the latest as I will be away for a week at CES.Quote:
Originally Posted by SimpleTECH
Just the width of the metal frame. I just need to know if I can fit it on my GA-EP45T-UD3LR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elloquin
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9108/cputri718.jpg
@lackobreath, thanks for the pictures! The only thing worrying me is my NB. :confused:
So where are the reviews? :D
To be honest the reviews won't make a bit of difference as far as which cooler is best. Review A will say cooler A is better than B. Someone will come along and say they have cooler B and it performs better than cooler A. Then they will post meaningless comparisons with different settings on different tests etc and make apples to oranges comparisons. Hell they may just say mine is better and that's it with no data to support it. They are all so close nowadays just pick the one you like the best or suits your needs and use it lol. OR wait for Skinnee to do his thing. It's not worth the 70 bucks per cooler for me to do it lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
So I suppose all the hype is nothing but hype and I can be happy with my lapped TRUE?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elloquin
On the contrary IMHO the X from the reviews I have read of other coolers is indeed better. I have yet to see a test posted with same clocks on the same cpu with similar voltages prove otherwise. It may be true but I haven't seen it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
I need to go get those measurements i'm late lol.
That measurement is between 9 and 10mm. The mounting/pressure bar is between 97 and 98mm just a mm or two wider than the universal plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by SimpleTECH
Sweet, thank you very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elloquin
Not sure if these were already posted, but here are some reviews on the V-X:
http://www.overclock.net/air-cooling...egashadow.html
This review shows a comparison of the V-X and the Megashadow. Kudos to groundzero9 of OCN.
Also, another review that is more "proper" if I say so myself. Again, thanks to OCN.
http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8
LGA1366
http://www.expreview.com/img/review/...sX/CPUTemp.png
LGA775
http://www.expreview.com/img/review/...X/CPUTemp2.png
I find it hard to believe 2 coolers are that much better than a Megahalems at 800 and 1200 rpm because thats a setting where it really is the best. And the reversed results on 775 make no sense.
I agree. I'm sure these tests aren't very consistent. I'd be willing to be they were too lazy to move this and that around and recorded results from 2 very different environments.Quote:
Originally Posted by halfwaythere
Edit: Just went and looked and as I assumed 2 very different environments so varying results are present.
http://www.expreview.com/img/review/...X/Platform.png
I wish they kept things consistent to really see real results. Same case, PSU, everything aside from swapping what is essential for testing.
That test isnt anywhere near the results I pulled on my Veno or Mega... also I had no issues fitting the mounting on a asus p6t deluxe.
Please share any results you may have :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenjiwing
TBH I'm waiting to see some tests done by someone who knows what hes doing. Theres to much contradicting info atm to draw any legit conclusion. Sadly theres a trend of TR fanboys trying to push the X beyond the actual results.
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/5355/73970413.th.jpg
Just a fast run with AM2 mounting bracket. Specs in siggy. I'll post up some pics later
Thats great for you but unfortunately AMDs are worse than 775 dual for testing heatsinks. The sensors are way off.
Thank you for the contructive post :up: Please do post some pics of the set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickF
Well im not a professional reviewer with thermometers etc.. I just know i went from a Mega to a Veno and left the pressure at stock 40lbs and my temps went down 1c under load.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elloquin
Will you try the 70lbs option?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenjiwing
I have to take my machine apart tonight so sure.. ill take some screens of load tonight and then post the results tomorrow.. it will be in a different case though so ill keep an eye on ambient difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by nullface
Waiting for your results...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenjiwing
Should be a worthwhile comparison, all other things being equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenjiwing