Would you build this WC setup

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12-11-2009, 11:38 AM
ahmad

Would you build this WC setup

Goal -- Build my first wc setup and fit it all inside my Cosmos S. Single CPU (LGA775) loop, upgrade to single GPU/CPU (LGA1136) loop or dual loops later.

After much reading on XS and elsewhere (thank you to those who have provided solid intelligent info!), I came up with a list of parts. Because I can get things cheaper from DirectCanada, this is where I am trying to get most of it. The rest comes from Sidewinder.

DirectCanada

1x Thermochill PA120.3 Triple 120MM Fan Water Cooling Radiator with 15MM Spacing *No Barbs*
1x Bitspower 1/2IN High Flow Nickel Plated Thermochill G3/8 Barb Fittings (2 pack)
1x Swiftech MCP355 High Performance 12V Industrial Water Cooling Pump 3/8IN Barbs

1x Primochill Primoflex Pro LRT UV Red 1/2IN ID 3/4IN OD Tubing (10 Feet)
7x Primochill Reusable UV Red Hose Clamps for 3/4 Inch Outer Diameter Tubing (2 pack)
2x Primochill UV Red Plastic Tee Fitting for Water Cooling T Line 1/2 Inch Barbs

6x Scythe Gentle Typhoon 120MM Case Fan 1850RPM 28DB 58.3CFM

-- Other things for fun

1x Bitspower Stop Fitting with Standard 2 Pin Temperature Probe 9CM Long G1/4 - I am thinking of plugging this into the T for temp readings
1x Bitspower BP-TB-CL Crystal T-BLOCK Water Cooling Tee Fitting for T-LINE *No Barbs* G1/4 - T somewhere before the rad for temp reading

Total: $306 CDN

Performance-PC

1x XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Reservoir for Dual Laing DDC
1x Enzotech Sapphire CPU Water Block Rev. A with "Micro-Pin Design"
1x Enzotech Drain Plug G 1/4 Threaded Cap - 1/2" Barb
1x XSPC M20 x1.5mm to G1/4" Fillcap Adapter - This is for the future if I need it. I hate paying for shipping twice.
4x Bitspower Premium G1/4" High Flow 1/2" Fitting - Two for the T, two for the res.

Total: $140 USD

AFAICT the only thing left is the liquid which I'll try and get locally - 100% pure distilled water (no dyes).

Have I missed anything? I know this won't be cheap, will probably come out to just under $500 CDN after everything.

Planning:

Haven't planned how its going to fit in yet, but here is what I have in mind for the loop:

XSPC-res/DDC3.2 > T#1 > CPU > BP T (temp sensor) > Thermochill 120.3 > res

T#1 > plug for draining.

UPDATE #1:
Added rad in loop.. duh
UPDATE #2:
Clamps + fans add to DC order. DC carries fillport.. yes! Moved from sidewinder.
UPDATE #3:
Enzotech sapphire reva, heatkiller, or XT??
1x Enzotech Sapphire CPU Water Block Rev. A with "Micro-Pin Design" - $49 shipped. $70 saved over HeatKiller.
1x Swiftech Apogee XT CPU Waterblock - $85 shipped. $30 saved over HeatKiller.
UPDATE #4:
Added Performance-PC alternative. Damn its looking like a winner.
UPDATE #5:
Cleaned up buy list now, only things I will be getting are listed. Bad news though, performance-pc out of stock on the XSPC res top. Will have to buy it from sidewinder or elsewhere..
Swaped the slipstream fans for the gentle typhoons, thanks eth0s. Now I need to find a temp reader bay for the temp sensor...
12-11-2009, 01:37 PM
Dude_Person

I only took a quick look over your parts but it looks good to me. All 1/2". :up: I like to use 7/16" tube myself, but 1/2" will seal just fine. What kind of fans are you going to use?

Edit: Just noticed you need one more set of clamps. 2xWB, 2xRad, 2xPump, 3xT1, 3xT2, 1xFP1, 1xFP2 making 7 pairs.
12-11-2009, 01:49 PM
millertime359

Only change I would make is to get the Swiftech XT. The main reason why is that you plan to upgrade soon and it performs the same the HK. It includes backplates for socket 1156/1366. A quick e-mail to Michelle over at Swiftech will net you the 775 backplate for free. (At least I think it still free). This will save you about $20.

I just hope Gabe gets the quality control issue fixed here soon.

There is an adapter out there that will allow you to hook the fill port up to the XSPC res directly. NCIX might have it, if Direct Canada doesn't
12-11-2009, 01:56 PM
nlancaster

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Originally Posted by millertime359

Only change I would make is to get the Swiftech XT. The main reason why is that you plan to upgrade soon and it performs the same the HK. It includes backplates for socket 1156/1366. A quick e-mail to Michelle over at Swiftech will net you the 775 backplate for free. (At least I think it still free). This will save you about $20.

I just hope Gabe gets the quality control issue fixed here soon.

There is an adapter out there that will allow you to hook the fill port up to the XSPC res directly. NCIX might have it, if Direct Canada doesn't

Your sugesting that he should purchase the swiftech block becuase it comes with all the parts for $20 less. But you also say that it has quality problems? That right there would make me not purchase it. I also think the Heatkiller block looks alot better.
12-11-2009, 02:10 PM
Dude_Person

What quality issues are there with the XT? I haven't been following any threads on it.
12-11-2009, 02:17 PM
Mabyboi

looks good to me, slight suggestion: get the enzotech sapphire. 35$ and competes with the heatkiller... maybe 1-2c warmer.. :up:
12-11-2009, 03:06 PM
ahmad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude_Person

I only took a quick look over your parts but it looks good to me. All 1/2". :up: I like to use 7/16" tube myself, but 1/2" will seal just fine. What kind of fans are you going to use?

Edit: Just noticed you need one more set of clamps. 2xWB, 2xRad, 2xPump, 3xT1, 3xT2, 1xFP1, 1xFP2 making 7 pairs.

Thanks for looking it over. Definitely need one more set of clamps.

Are you suggesting you use 7/16" ID tubing for 1/2" fittings? That's pretty clever and makes sense too.

Totally forgot about the fans.. argh. Let's see what dc's got:

6x Scythe Slip Stream Kaze Jyuni 120MM Fan 1200RPM 68.5CFM 24DBA (SY1225SL12M) - $37 CDN

Seem like they are just as good as the Noctua's at a third the price!

I'll add this to the above estimate. Thank you!

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Originally Posted by millertime359

Only change I would make is to get the Swiftech XT. The main reason why is that you plan to upgrade soon and it performs the same the HK. It includes backplates for socket 1156/1366. A quick e-mail to Michelle over at Swiftech will net you the 775 backplate for free. (At least I think it still free). This will save you about $20.

It will save me closer to $40 if I go with the XT. I was stuck between it and the HK, my decision wasn't really for any particular reason other than thats what I went with. I will definitely reconsider seriously because the HK is costly. FrozenCPU offers the backplate for 775 on request.

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Originally Posted by millertime359

There is an adapter out there that will allow you to hook the fill port up to the XSPC res directly. NCIX might have it, if Direct Canada doesn't

First time noticing there is another hole on top of the res! Damn it back to the drawing board for that fillport.

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Originally Posted by millertime359

I just hope Gabe gets the quality control issue fixed here soon.

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Originally Posted by nlancaster

Your sugesting that he should purchase the swiftech block becuase it comes with all the parts for $20 less. But you also say that it has quality problems? That right there would make me not purchase it. I also think the Heatkiller block looks alot better.

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Originally Posted by Dude_Person

What quality issues are there with the XT? I haven't been following any threads on it.

I have read a lot of threads/posts regarding this issue. I'll give you guys a summary: The base of the XT is solid copper with thousands of needles (no bigger than 1.5mm needles i think). Due to some QC issues, some have reported bases with damaged needles and sometimes 30 or 40 damaged needles.

Here is what I think of this. Yes you are paying close to $80 for a block and you expect everything to be perfect, so from a consumer point of view those who complain about imperfect bases have a point. However, from a logical argument point of view here is what we know:

- A few bent pins won't hinder performance
- Pins are on the inside, no one will ever see them
- If you do make a big fuss about it because you don't feel you got your money's worth, swiftech will replace it for you.

Given the above, personally its a non-issue.

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Originally Posted by MaByBoI

looks good to me, slight suggestion: get the enzotech sapphire. 35$ and competes with the heatkiller... maybe 1-2c warmer.. :up:

Thats a great suggestion. I was considering it until I couldn't find anyone selling it. Now I looked it up seriously, looks like performance-pc is selling it for a mere $38! $38+ $11 shipping = $49. That is cheap.

1x Enzotech Sapphire CPU Water Block Rev. A with "Micro-Pin Design"

Now I have to seriously reconsider the CPU block choice. Thanks for the input so far, keep it coming.
12-11-2009, 03:10 PM
Mabyboi

no worries, i went through the same thing and ended up getting the sapphire. trust me, save the money, its only like a 1-2c difference, and spend it on better fans or something. oh. and you better be using distilled water!!! (just cause, not to do with the sapphire)
12-11-2009, 03:22 PM
ahmad

I think I'll get rid of that T before the res and attach the fillport directly to the res. That makes more sense now, thanks millertime.
12-11-2009, 03:23 PM
ahmad

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Originally Posted by MaByBoI

no worries, i went through the same thing and ended up getting the sapphire. trust me, save the money, its only like a 1-2c difference, and spend it on better fans or something. oh. and you better be using distilled water!!! (just cause, not to do with the sapphire)

i am leaning towards it.. so tempting unless someone can give me a reason not to! Not to mention the enzo is less restrictive..

Distilled water, of course!
12-11-2009, 03:51 PM
Dude_Person

If thats the only problem with the XT, probably no issues there. Ya, don't get the HK. I certainly wouldn't worry about restriction. The DDC3.2 with that pump top can hold high flow rates even in very restrictive loops. As for the XT over the sapphire, I dunno. Ask yourself, "Might I regret not getting it later?" That question usually makes me spend more... ;)
12-11-2009, 06:54 PM
millertime359

The only issue I have been seeing lately with the XT is a problem with the threads on the inlet IIRC. A few people have had problems screwing their BP comp fittings into them. I also seen a build log where the hold down screws were a little messed up. The bent pins are a none event IMO also. As long as it is only a few and none of them are loose, it would not effect performance greatly, if at all.

The other reason I recommend Swiftech is that Gabe takes care of his customers. If you do happen to get one of the bad ones, contact him and he will make it right. The Swiftech also has the superior mounting system over the HK. I personally like the look of the Swiftech block, but looks are all in the eyes of the beholder. ;)

Sapphire is a nice block. The only concern I have atm, is I have yet to see a 1156 mounting mechanism for it. I also haven't look. Make certain to check on that before you order it. Other than that, it is a nice block for the price.

To attach the fillport to the res, you will need this part though. http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=24088 You might be able to find it elsewhere to save on shipping if you still want to order from Gary. You could also e-mail him about it, he can sometimes get his hands on special things if you are willing to wait on a order.
12-11-2009, 07:22 PM
Mabyboi

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Originally Posted by millertime359

The only issue I have been seeing lately with the XT is a problem with the threads on the inlet IIRC. A few people have had problems screwing their BP comp fittings into them. I also seen a build log where the hold down screws were a little messed up. The bent pins are a none event IMO also. As long as it is only a few and none of them are loose, it would not effect performance greatly, if at all.

The other reason I recommend Swiftech is that Gabe takes care of his customers. If you do happen to get one of the bad ones, contact him and he will make it right. The Swiftech also has the superior mounting system over the HK. I personally like the look of the Swiftech block, but looks are all in the eyes of the beholder. ;)

Sapphire is a nice block. The only concern I have atm, is I have yet to see a 1156 mounting mechanism for it. I also haven't look. Make certain to check on that before you order it. Other than that, it is a nice block for the price.

To attach the fillport to the res, you will need this part though. http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=24088 You might be able to find it elsewhere to save on shipping if you still want to order from Gary. You could also e-mail him about it, he can sometimes get his hands on special things if you are willing to wait on a order.

hmmm. no 775 holes on the board?! :shrug: check it! cause thats how i got mine on my i7.
12-12-2009, 11:44 AM
eth0s

Okay, the main thing that jumps out at me is that I would recommend upgrading those fans, especially if you can save money by getting the Enzotech Sapphire. I think the Kaze Jyuni's are cheap because they aren't very good. I hate to have to tell you to shell out more money, but I would recommend the Scythe Gentle Typhoons (1850's), as you'll be much happier with the performance. Also, are you planning on buying a T-line, a reservoir, and a res-top for the DDC 3.2 pump? Am I reading that right? If so, then you can definitely save a few dollars by just having one or the other: a res or a res-top, or my suggestion would be to just have a T-line, which facilitates both filling and draining, and you can use the extra money for better fans. A T-line can act like a reservoir by itself, if it's long enough. And if you place the T at the lowest point in the loop, it can be a useful drain (although you may need to do some moving and shaking and manipulating of the case to get all the water out). Whatever you choose to do, for your first time, I would suggest making your loop as simple as possible. Also, if you would like to save some more money, consider swapping the Thermochill PA120.3 for an XSPC RX360.
12-12-2009, 11:51 AM
millertime359

Slipstreams are not designed for rads. The 2 fans I would recommend are the S-flex or Gentle Typhoons. I like the Gentle Typhoon 1450 or 1850 RPM fans as they are pretty quiet if not silent.
12-12-2009, 12:20 PM
Mabyboi

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Originally Posted by millertime359

Slipstreams are not designed for rads. The 2 fans I would recommend are the S-flex or Gentle Typhoons. I like the Gentle Typhoon 1450 or 1850 RPM fans as they are pretty quiet if not silent.

I definately agree here. grab some Gentle typhoon fans. you cant go wrong. :up:
12-12-2009, 12:29 PM
Dude_Person

Swiftech rads are also good and come at a great price. And if you want silence, grab the 1450rpm.
12-14-2009, 03:07 PM
ahmad

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Originally Posted by Dude_Person

If thats the only problem with the XT, probably no issues there. Ya, don't get the HK. I certainly wouldn't worry about restriction. The DDC3.2 with that pump top can hold high flow rates even in very restrictive loops. As for the XT over the sapphire, I dunno. Ask yourself, "Might I regret not getting it later?" That question usually makes me spend more... ;)

I know exactly what you mean. But in this particular case the only reason I can see getting the XT over the enzo is 1156 bracket. Well if it makes you feel any better I still haven't made up my mind! Thanks dude!

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Originally Posted by millertime359

The only issue I have been seeing lately with the XT is a problem with the threads on the inlet IIRC. A few people have had problems screwing their BP comp fittings into them. I also seen a build log where the hold down screws were a little messed up. The bent pins are a none event IMO also. As long as it is only a few and none of them are loose, it would not effect performance greatly, if at all.

The other reason I recommend Swiftech is that Gabe takes care of his customers. If you do happen to get one of the bad ones, contact him and he will make it right. The Swiftech also has the superior mounting system over the HK. I personally like the look of the Swiftech block, but looks are all in the eyes of the beholder. ;)

That I didn't know, thanks for sharing. I definitely respect swiftech and their customer support just from other customers' experience.

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Originally Posted by millertime359

Sapphire is a nice block. The only concern I have atm, is I have yet to see a 1156 mounting mechanism for it. I also haven't look. Make certain to check on that before you order it. Other than that, it is a nice block for the price.

How hard would it be to "mod" the enzotech bracket for 1156 mounting? Would I have to attach brackets or can I just drill more holes into it? Heck if I am getting something this cheap I wouldn't mind destroying it.

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Originally Posted by millertime359

To attach the fillport to the res, you will need this part though. http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=24088 You might be able to find it elsewhere to save on shipping if you still want to order from Gary. You could also e-mail him about it, he can sometimes get his hands on special things if you are willing to wait on a order.

So I lied before, it didn't make sense :) . I was thinking of screwing the fillport directly into it, but that is quite stupid as I see now. Your suggestion makes sense: adapter - 1/2in barb - fillport. For now I'll get the adapter, and later I can pick up a fillport if I see I need one. Many thanks for your input.

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Originally Posted by eth0s

Okay, the main thing that jumps out at me is that I would recommend upgrading those fans, especially if you can save money by getting the Enzotech Sapphire. I think the Kaze Jyuni's are cheap because they aren't very good. I hate to have to tell you to shell out more money, but I would recommend the Scythe Gentle Typhoons (1850's), as you'll be much happier with the performance.

I don't mind shelling more money where it is worth it. I am not as xtreme as some, but I also like performance when it is reasonable. The Typhoons are reasonable so I have replaced the slipstreams in my order.

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Originally Posted by eth0s

Also, are you planning on buying a T-line, a reservoir, and a res-top for the DDC 3.2 pump? Am I reading that right? If so, then you can definitely save a few dollars by just having one or the other: a res or a res-top, or my suggestion would be to just have a T-line, which facilitates both filling and draining, and you can use the extra money for better fans. A T-line can act like a reservoir by itself, if it's long enough. And if you place the T at the lowest point in the loop, it can be a useful drain (although you may need to do some moving and shaking and manipulating of the case to get all the water out). Whatever you choose to do, for your first time, I would suggest making your loop as simple as possible.

I did sort of just include everything I thought I might want to play with. I have reduced all that mess now and will only be dealing with the XSPC restop, because you are right it is excessive and useless.

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Originally Posted by eth0s

Also, if you would like to save some more money, consider swapping the Thermochill PA120.3 for an XSPC RX360.

From all the reviews I read, I feel like the Thermochill just gets better when you have more air flowing through them, but at lower CFM the RX360 seems just as good if not better than the Thermochill. But you are also right there, the RX360 is about $30 cheaper.

Excellent stuff eth0s, thanks.

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Originally Posted by millertime359

Slipstreams are not designed for rads. The 2 fans I would recommend are the S-flex or Gentle Typhoons. I like the Gentle Typhoon 1450 or 1850 RPM fans as they are pretty quiet if not silent.

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Originally Posted by MaByBoI

I definately agree here. grab some Gentle typhoon fans. you cant go wrong. :up:

Awesome. Done and done.

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Originally Posted by Dude_Person

Swiftech rads are also good and come at a great price. And if you want silence, grab the 1450rpm.

I am thinking of grabbing a fan controller to reduce the speed on the typhoons because I do want to be able to have it silent at some point. Thanks for your input, I appreciate it.

Now I need to find a decent temp reader/fan controller bay. Anyone got suggestions?
12-15-2009, 11:58 AM
ahmad

I am just about to hit the "Complete Order" on all three of my carts. Should I?
12-15-2009, 12:16 PM
Mabyboi

Do Ittttttt!
12-15-2009, 01:16 PM
millertime359

Don't see any reason not to
12-15-2009, 03:14 PM
ahmad

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Originally Posted by MaByBoI

Do Ittttttt!

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Originally Posted by millertime359

Don't see any reason not to

I am blaming you both for the decision :)

Its done. Now we play the waiting game.
12-15-2009, 04:08 PM
Mabyboi

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Originally Posted by ahmad

I am blaming you both for the decision :)

Its done. Now we play the waiting game.

WAIT DONT HIT IT! I FOUND A FLAW!!!

:sofa: just kidding :sofa:
12-15-2009, 04:36 PM
ahmad

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Originally Posted by MaByBoI

WAIT DONT HIT IT! I FOUND A FLAW!!!

:sofa: just kidding :sofa:

lol...
12-15-2009, 06:11 PM
millertime359

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
12-16-2009, 12:46 AM
irenedakota

I'm jealous. I have my cart sitting at performance pcs just waiting for my boss to pay me...
12-16-2009, 09:04 AM
ahmad

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Originally Posted by irenedakota

I'm jealous. I have my cart sitting at performance pcs just waiting for my boss to pay me...

I wish I had ordered everything from them. They are the first to send me the shipping tacking info! Still waiting on directcanada and tilatech (i ended up going with them and not sidewinder).