my CPU idle temp @ ~66C (~150F) is that OK?

I have overlocked my Phenom 9750 from 2.4Ghz running at 2.66Ghz now.
I originally ran it at 2.8Ghz, and it was running sweet, but now that Summer's here...it was running tooo hot. so i downed it abit
So its at 2.66Ghz but problem is (i know its hot weather) but its idling at 64-66C.
Is this ok? or should i set it back to standard clock speed of 2.4Ghz?
In terms of performance, it runs fairly fine because i usually encode simultaneously 2 videos with ConvertX2DVD...dont ask me what the temps are then because i dare not look.

So my Q is, is this ok? or is my Phenom due to be doomed?

That can't be good -should be less then 60c under full load.

How do you get this temperature reading? Motherboard software?

REALLY? :(

um CoreTemp (latest)...
and BIOS isnt too far off..

Summer you said?
If your ambient temps are up in the room your compy is in it is normal.

Give us your avg room ambient temps.

ok ill get a thermometre in and test it..
but i can guarantee, that the room temps during the 66C idle CPU temps were between 30-33

If over 30c then that sounds about right, maybe a little high for idle.
Have you checked to make sure everything is clean? No dust build up.

Also how is the overall airflow inside your case?

Check your mount... Any pictures?

Air flow isnt too good, i got a cheap case... so i removed one of the front CDROM cover to make airflow from the back to the front.
and ive installed a fan on the side case (where there are a few vent circles) to blow air in.
Should i reverse it to take AIR OUT?

Theres abit of dust build up.. ill give it a clean and let you know the temps soon.ill try & take a pic aswell =)
so yeah.. u guys saying the 65C idle isnt good hey?

65C is quite high imo for a idle temp when your room is around 30.

I have had prime running on my OC'd athlon x4 630 for around 40 mins now and my load temp on the cores is 50C, idle is around 23-30C depending on room temp OC and can get it to just under 20 with C&Q enabled.

check that the hsf is tightened properly to the mobo.

what thermal paste are u using?

how warm do you feel the hsf by touch?

No, it's horrible.
Re-seat the heatsink, change TIM.

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Originally Posted by SocketMan

That can't be good -should be less then 60c under full load.

How do you get this temperature reading? Motherboard software?

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"Ditto" very high temp at idle should only e around 30-33c at idle at most

Thanks for the tips guys, ill reseat the Heatsink today
I had a look at it yesterday, it was full of dust.... - i didnt get a chance to take pics, or anything because i got caught up, but i will soon
Im using generic brand heatsink. and when i encode a video the temps ~ 72-75C

"change TIM" - Whats TIM?

Thermal Interface Material -- Thermal Compound

I would have to say that u have to have a bad mount anything AT IDLE in the high 60's is to much, lol idc what ur ambient is, u need to reset ur heatsink and or put some thermal paste on it lol, cus by the sounds u kinda skipped that step

Dragon

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Thanks for the tips guys, ill reseat the Heatsink today
I had a look at it yesterday, it was full of dust.... - i didnt get a chance to take pics, or anything because i got caught up, but i will soon
Im using generic brand heatsink. and when i encode a video the temps ~ 72-75C

"change TIM" - Whats TIM?

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Yeah ignore the (changing of TIM) for now.
Clean the dust out and get some better airflow
then see how it does.

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Originally Posted by mr1c3man

Air flow isnt too good, i got a cheap case... so i removed one of the front CDROM cover to make airflow from the back to the front.
and ive installed a fan on the side case (where there are a few vent circles) to blow air in.
Should i reverse it to take AIR OUT?

Theres abit of dust build up.. ill give it a clean and let you know the temps soon.ill try & take a pic aswell =)
so yeah.. u guys saying the 65C idle isnt good hey?

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am i reading this correct?
you have the rear exhaust fan as an intake?
if so this is the problem. the powersupply makes alot of heat and that goes out the back and gets sucked back into the fan and to the cpu, then the PS sucks that back up and causes a heat cycle and eventually will kill the PS.

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am i reading this correct?
you have the rear exhaust fan as an intake?
if so this is the problem. the powersupply makes alot of heat and that goes out the back and gets sucked back into the fan and to the cpu, then the PS sucks that back up and causes a heat cycle and eventually will kill the PS.

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2 Fans in the case (not inc the PS one)
The rear chasis one, sucks air out... so technically, with the CDROM cover off from the front chasis, the air is going from front and sucked out the back.

I have a Side one attached right opposite the Video card because verticially, the CPU/Heatsink is higher then the Video. This SIDE fan atm is blowing air INTO the case.. (i can reverse it if you guys think its better).. keep in mind the Video card is also blowing air (either sucking air into the card, or out) im not sure.

last time when i put thermal paste, i was advised not to put heaps, so i smothered a small half-sized pea shape with my finger all over the base.
Do you think my original Phenom heatsink is better than my aftermarket one???

First of all, please go back to stock speeds and voltage to get a baseline on temps, because you seem to be frying your cpu.
If testing with case open doesn't seem to change a thing, I guess you should simply recheck cooler installation to see were all the goo went, and reaply TIM. You might be still putting to much, the old "put a grain of rice sized blob in the middle" still does what's supposed to. It's better to let TIM spread by itself when applying the cooler.
Even in a cramped case, you shouldn't have those idle temps.

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Originally Posted by mr1c3man

I had a look at it yesterday, it was full of dust.... - i didnt get a chance to take pics, or anything because i got caught up, but i will soon
Im using generic brand heatsink. and when i encode a video the temps ~ 72-75c.

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Personally it sounds like alot of wierdness to me....
65c is WAY too high for an idle temp, from my experience Phenoms wouldn't be stable enough to encode video @ 75c without a crash.
I've had a few and they all seem to get squirley around 55c under load...

As for your fans you should be fine as long as you have the side blowing in and the rear/PSU as exhausts.

Go buy a can of air and blow everything out really well (dust can be a killer)!

If your using software for your temps I would trust the bios readings first. If the above steps still show temps >42c in bios, remove the CPU heatsink,
clean the Chip and Heatsink with 90% alcohol (Really Clean!) and use the canned air to blow off any contaminants and dry the alcohol.

Buy some decent TIM (Arctic Silver5), put a thin line at one side of the CPU (about the size of a piece of dried spagehetti) and use your Drivers License or a Credit Card
to spread it over the surface of the CPU as thin as possible. Then re-attach the Heatsink.

CPU-z Hardware Monitor
http://www.cpuid.com/hwmonitor.php
Has always been pretty good at giving ~acurate temps for me across a number of boards.
You may want to give it a try... :up:

If your really idling @ 65c, I find it hard to believe you'd even be able to surf the web, much less encode video... :p:

Good Luck...... Dave

EDIT: Alleyviper makes a good point! Check your voltages while your in BIOS too!

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First of all, please go back to stock speeds and voltage to get a baseline on temps, because you seem to be frying your cpu

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Ok ill do that as my final step.

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This is what happened, guys...
I got home.
1.) Took out the case, Heatsink, and CPU
2.) Cleaned the CPU off all residue Thermal Paste (with metho) and reapplied a different no-brander lol (sorry guys) its gold in colour...
3.) Cleaned the heatsink from DUST and the entire case from dust
4.) Re-sitted the Heatsink (at first i got it wrong and when i turned on the PC the CPU temp was 135C and it beeped so i turned it off) then RESEATED again and aligned perfect.

Now i turned on the PC

This is what the BIOS is stating:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...n/Pic20254.jpg

Bit lower that CORETEMPS's previous reading.

I booted the machine, and this is what Coretemp is saying now:
(10minutes into boot so far)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...n/coretemp.jpg

So when comparing Coretemp prev reading of 65C and now, there seems to be a MASSIVE improvement, but the BIOS isnt reflecting that....unless this stupid m/b has a sh1t sensor.

This is my PC for argument's sake:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...n/Pic20253.jpg

Thats really strange mr1c3man...

Looks like you've had a pretty good improvement, but those BIOS temps still look out of line (could very well be a bad sensor!)..

The one thing I don't see in the PIC is your IMC/NB_Vid, is it set really high,
Above 1.3v's? If so that can add alot of heat...

D'l the HWMonitor link I posted above and see what it says.

Double check everything, but it sounds like you've done all you can do...
I still find it hard to believe those temps can be right and you still have a stable system....

If the sensor's bad, you may just need to keep them as low as you can and try to ignore it... ;)

I still find it hard to belive the chip would be stable at >65c under load or for that matter 57c Idle.

Do you have a DMM, or an IR Temp probe? If so check the CPU with that.

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Thats really strange mr1c3man....

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Tell me about it...

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Looks like you've had a pretty good improvement

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If the HWmonitor temps are accurate, thats a drop of nearly 15C in just the cleaning and resitting the Heatsink..because Coretemp is reflecting similar temps..looks like BIOS temp sux

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The one thing I don't see in the PIC is your IMC/NB_Vid, is it set really high,
Above 1.3v's? If so that can add alot of heat...

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hmm thats stock i think i never touched the NB temp..but i do know from the official ASUS M3A (m/b) forum, that the NB of this Mono sux and it heats up like the sun

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D'l the HWMonitor link I posted above and see what it says.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ceman/sdsd.jpg

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Double check everything, but it sounds like you've done all you can do...

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Yeah i did all i can :(

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Do you have a DMM, or an IR Temp probe? If so check the CPU with that

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Nope

This is weird, but could it be that bios is simply displaying NB temp instead of cpu temp?
On your bios there's a 57ºC read for CPU, but both core temp and cpuid show around 45-48ºC which are usually a bit higher than the regular socket temp BUT there's still that TMPIN0 at 57ºC.
With such weak passive cooling, those could be readings of your NB, as the 780G(?) should heat up a lot. I donno if the 780 series display their temp, but in an 790FX they should.
Have you updated to latest bios, or beta if more recent?

As an hypothesis,
TMPIN0=NB (read as cpu by bios), if it was an NB read, going from 57ºC to high 60s with such passive cooler could be expected
TMPIN1=CPU (read as MB/system by bios)-> check if it raises from 38ºC to ~50ºC during full load in a couple of minutes like a socket sensor and dropping quite fast back to idle;
Or if it only goes very slowly to low 40s as system temp should, taking much time to recover after a stop. Even if quite off, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 38ºC socket read vs 46ºC Core Temp and alikes.
TMPIN3=Some system temperature reading, but it looks too low for that, unless the thermistor was in a very low part of the mobo. But possible if the other two are wrong!

it sounds to me like ur r getting a bad mount, how does the tim sread look on the heat sink? also NEVER touch the ti with your finger!! u get oil and grease in it then, just put a pea sized or a little smaller blob in the center of the IHS and put the heat sink on top of that u don't need to spread it although some will say you do, to each is own for this, make sure that it is on CORRECTLY and seated down right and that there is even pressure with all of your mouting hardware and that it is tight enough dont be afraid to put it on tight, just make sure your not warping anything and that u are using a backplate (probably came with the HS)

Dragon

yeah i re-seated the heatsink, and i think its asfitted as it can get
i just think those phenoms suck man..coretemp is reporting 50C now.. so its 10C less than it was originally before i:
1.) Vacuumed the inside
2.) Reapplied thermal compound and reseated the heatsink
3.) reversed the side fan to suck out air, rather than blow in.

i think the only other thing i can do is buy another heatsink??

Firedragon, yeah i am using the backplate.

build in sensor isn't 100% accurate
maybe you could use a non-contact thermometer(IR/Laser pointer thermometer) to measure the surface temperature

I just realized that it's M3A board.I've got one actually.
The BIOS reading is inaccurate - it's at least 15c higher then
normal/real.
The north bridge on that board however is a much bigger problem - you can put a coffee mug on it and it will keep it hot.
The idle temperature is 85c+. I am not kidding.Measured with
thermometer.
I had to strap a little fan on top of it to keep it civil.
You can touch it (do it fast) with you finger and it will burn like
a stove.I tried putting an after market heat sink but could not find the one that fits.You can try a different BIOS - maybe Asus has fixed the temperatures,but that north bridge should be a priority (put a fan on it).

One thing I found that keeps it (North bridge) a little cooler
(60c+ :eek: instead of 80c+) is a lower dram voltage.

Asus btw did not put a sensor for the north bridge,so unless
you touch it you wouldn't know.Sneaky bastards.
We also had a big thread for M3a (1st HT3 board :rolleyes:),but I can't find it :confused:
It was made by Justapost.
Also note the 12v reading in the BIOS - seems a little low.

It's not a bad mount as they affect temps but not by 30+ degree's

I think it's a borked sensor, you got another PC you can try it in?

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I just realized that it's M3A board.I've got one actually.
The BIOS reading is inaccurate - it's at least 15c higher then
normal/real.
The north bridge on that board however is a much bigger problem - you can put a coffee mug on it and it will keep it hot.

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Your right, i read abit on this mobo AFTER i bought it last year, and people with that mobo were using the N/B as a 2nd heater in the room... lol no serious its bad. i have updated the BIOS to the latest...but i think its just the mobo thats dodgy then...would decreasing the vCore have any affect?
its at default of 1.3V

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I think it's a borked sensor, you got another PC you can try it in?

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unfortunately not... :(