Any ETA on when the block are going to start showing up ? My Card will be here tommorow.
Gabe Do you have plans to have one out this year?
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Any ETA on when the block are going to start showing up ? My Card will be here tommorow.
Gabe Do you have plans to have one out this year?
It seems that Eddy is developing some blocks.(according to the site)
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/index.p...t01returnid=17
I thought DD made mention of having one in development.
They did there's the post to DD 5970/ 5870x2 galley.
http://photos.dangerden.com/GPU-Bloc...88395656_sbQVG
Koolance blocks will also be out soon: http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=947 . We hope to have pictures up some time next week.
Tim
Delivery should start at Friday :)
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-ac/hd5970_3.jpg
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-ac/hd5970_4.jpg
LOL, it's my turn.
Block confirmed and already in production.
Block ready for purchase with monday's post shipping out. ;)
With ice cold VRM's ?? :up:
eddy,
Can we see the what the inside of your block looks like ?
Hopefully considering: Radeon 5970 Overclocking: The VRM Temperature Bottleneck
My XFX HD 5970 arrived today and boy if there ever was a card that begged to be cooled more, this is it.
Does it use the original backplate?
shoggy
internals please :D
Special as in water cooled backplate, or special air cooled copper backplate?
As promised, here are a couple of pictures of our HD 5970 prototype. It hasn't been nickel plated yet, and the stainless steel cover was temporarily removed to show the guts.
http://www.koolance.com/support/imag...prototype1.jpg
http://www.koolance.com/support/imag...prototype2.jpg
Tim
this thread... :slobber:
nice to see everyone's offering in one thread... :up:
koolance tim?
if you don't mind please enable your pm box
thanks
i sent koolance an email regarding something and haven't heard from them..
dean was so much easier to get a hold of...
eddy
i love your participation in the forums btw :D
The winning factor of the 5970 blocks would be effective VRM cooling...
My :2cents:
Wow.... just... Wow.... beautiful blocks all around! i love the participation of the reps in these threads :D
I waiting to see what the OC'ing is like with a good waterblock first. Did not like some of the reviews for this card and I may end up going with a plain 5870 instead of maybe even a couple of those as they clock nicer. But first I will wait and see. Nice blocks all around guys. Nice to see attention given to the VRM's in this case.
A friend of mine sent me this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZmo8R0qnHQ
Haven't had time to see the whole video.
Let me know what you think.
Was a nice video to bad he didn't show a screen shot of the temps in the sensors tab of GPU-Z. Would of been cool to see the temps of the VDDC's and your block EK.
Is it me or does EK, AC, and Koolance all have the GPU fins in different areas?
Optical illusion :D
Of course we also have it above the GPUs.
I was thinking more of the koolance... AC has it on the spot.
True, but you would have to assume given the clocks achieved that the VRM's previously identified as one of the limiting factors in getting the card to 870 clocks, let alone higher than are being serviced by the block. Looking good though I must say. Now do I pull the trigger on one and which one...
Hey guys, Your blocks are doing a great job keeping the cores cool, however I suggest you make efficient, direct contact with VRMs for these 5970 cards and get some flow over them (since vrm temp is your/ati's limitation):
http://i48.tinypic.com/2nb8qqr.jpg
1 - 3× Volterra VT1157SFs feed the GPU silkscreened as "U1" (vddc phase 1,2,3 of first 5900 gpu).
2 - 3× Volterra VT1157SFs feed the GPU silkscreened as "U2" (vddc phase 1,2,3 of second 5900 gpu).
3 - 2× Volterra VT1157SFs feed RV870 GPU "uncore" I/O (GDDR5 ctrl?), 2 phases shared for both GPUs. (vddci phase 1 or 2)
4 - 1× Volterra VT232WF feeds the GDDR5 chips their VDD or VDDQ (no way to tell which just by looking).
5 - 1× Volterra VT232WF feeds the GDDR5 chips their VDD or VDDQ (no way to tell which just by looking).
6 - 2× Infineon n-channel MOSFETs (042N03LS + 119N03S) located on the bottom edge of the PCB, for the PLX bridge chip.
7 - 1× AOSMD (AO)Z1024DI low-power integrated buck regulator
Groups 6 & 7 don't report data to monitor temperatures, but these overheating could still cause the card to throttle.
See largon's post here: http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=657
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3953/hd59702.th.jpghttp://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4...hemlock.th.jpghttp://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3...agephpt.th.jpghttp://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2...e121200.th.jpg
--Aquacomputer ----------- Koolance ---------- Danger Den -------- EK Waterblocks ------ Swiftech
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/636/hd59705.th.jpghttp://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9...gpuover.th.jpghttp://img99.imageshack.us/img99/420/imagephp1.th.jpghttp://img25.imageshack.us/img25/512...ternals.th.jpghttp://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2...blyfron.th.jpg
5970 Load temps on EK full cover waterblock:
http://i48.tinypic.com/euekwi.jpg
http://www.shrani.si/t/3w/rm/4URpRuKx/ek13vload.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7&postcount=28
another watercooled fullcover 5970 (1.2v 850mhz):
http://i46.tinypic.com/2qle9gi.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&postcount=19
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...41&postcount=1
Hang on, what? so the VRM's are covered or not with the EK 5970 block :confused: Because I just ordered one of these from Eddy yesterday. Hope it does the job and keeps not only the cores cool but more importantly the VRM's.
The above pic shows 1.3v with 1000MHz core and VRM temps around 90C so am I correct in thinking at those volts and speeds that the VRM's are indeed cooled to some degree with the EK block?
Jesus that is pretty darn hot for a watercooled card to have those temps on the VRMS.
Still haven't decided what route I'm going with the 5000 series...watching this thread closely for VRM cooling data.
The result Jaredpace post on the other waterblock are mine.. Thats on a Dangerden block that didnt Have water going over the VRM, They just designed a new one. and I will have it this week..
What I can tell you is. The VRM are not holding me back tho.. and I only using 1/4 Tubing also.. when I get my new block with water over the VRM I post some more result.. so far my card is stable at 1000mhz/1250 Ram 1.3vcore VRM get to 80c
Whoops, it's enabled now! Like Eddy, I also find email easier to keep track of. If you send an email through our website, select "Product Question / Comment" in the request. We're training new ppl in the other departments right now and they may be a bit slower to reply.
Tim
??? Here is an overlay of our block over the HD 5970. GPU's look fine to me-- the fins aren't based on the center point, but extend well past them:
http://www.koolance.com/support/imag...7_gpuoverl.jpg
Also pics of the final prototype:
http://www.koolance.com/support/imag...prototype3.jpg
http://www.koolance.com/support/imag...prototype4.jpg
Tim
Nice, I guess it was just optical illusion.
I am delighted to confirm that the Epsilon 5900 is now in production.
http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/imag...FRONT-X800.jpg
http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/imag...-back-X800.jpg
Housing is thick clear polycarbonate
Base plate is chrome plated C110 electrolytic copper; cooling engine is dual 0.6mm pin matrix
Back plate is thick black-anodized brushed aluminum
As usual the product features pre-installed thermal pads, stainless steel standoffs, and re-uses ATI's excellent spring cross brackets. All AMD-specified critical components including ASICS, PLX, Memory modules (front & back), and VR's are cooled. As with the Komodo series, spacing between inlet and outlet G1/4 ports is sufficient to accomodate large compression fittings, but remains relatively narrow to allow clean and compact tube routing.
Price has not been established at this time.
ETA is 3 weeks.
:up: for Swiftech and Koolance blocks.
I don't like the appearance of Koolance blocks though, chrome isn't really my thing and I think it looks tacky but the block looks well designed.
I personally like blocks with standoffs - I refuse to buy any full cover block without standoffs.
Standoffs = good contact without very small chance of shorting = good design.
No standoffs = Chance of bad contact if you over torque a certain section, can lead to shorting and you don't get any performance benefits out of it = bad design.
I'll leave it at that :)
Looks like of all the blocks, the EK is the only one with active flow over all 9 of the main VRMs....most notably over the 3 VRMs for GPU1.
Not sure how much it matters though...the 5970s still haven't shown where the clocking bottleneck is when watercooling.
EDIT: the Aquacomputer one gets the 3 over GPU1, but seems to miss the 6 closest to the power connectors (which I think are: 3 for GPU2, 2 for RAM, 1 for PLX--really hard to tell, there's a distinct lack of symmetry in the PWM design for this card).
I would like all waterblocks to come with a custom back-plate too. The stock back-plate exceeds the PCB and adds unnecessary length to the card (that being said, it shouldnt lie short of the PCB either). It also looks fairly ugly.
From an aesthetic point of view, Koolance blocks look to mean the business, but as stated in this thread
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...12#post4135412 by DD, they are working on a revision which runs water over the VRMs purposefully. I'm putting my money on DD being a top performer once again, just like the 4870x2 waterblocks that preceded it.
wow the aquacomputer blocks look so sleek how skinny they are, but whats all this with the vrms overheating?? quite odd
Most of the reason the AC block is so thin is because they use a steel plate cover instead of the normal acrylic or delrin tops and the height of the channel in wich the water flow is quite low.
I would love to see a block shoot out :D
There's not much comparisons between VGA waterblocks that I know of
Our HD 5970 water blocks are now in stock! The regular retail price is $139.99.
Tim
Frozencpu has all four variants of the EK blocks in stock. I went ahead and bought an acetel to match the classified full board block. It should arrive friday or saturday. I expect to have a better initial experience than the one my launch 4870x2 EK block gave!
It'll be modestly cooled with by a 240 rad in a TJ07 with the (warmer) cross-flow air from the the 480.
The Final DD Block Performs Great. They got the Water closer to the Rear VRM.. I dont think it matters if you have water over the VRM Directly or not.. Because The VRM. Are going to put out alot of Heat Once You Start Pushing the Voltage up on the Card. I can tell you DD Block is 30C cooler on everything compaired to Air :-)
Not to mention DangerDen are the cheapest Price block to and MAde in USA !
I had placed an order for one late last night, then had 2nd thoughts this morning and canceled the order. I'm gonna hold out for more reviews, since I'm concerned which blocks offer the best cooling on the VRMs - I'd like to see the #'s.
I didn't want to end up paying $150+ for a block, only for it to be revised cause the VRMs were the limiting factor. On air, I can get up to at least 900MHz stable, so for now, I'll just keep the stock HSF.
Will there soon come out a Uni-sink solution from any of you ?
I have 2 MCW60 and a Maze5 I like to reuse :D (5970+5870 @ trifire)
Is there a uni-sink solution for 5870 out yet ?
The 5870 and 5850 versions heatsinks are already in stock in the US. We just have not had the time to update the web site, and put the products on sale as we are preparing another major product release. We should hopefully release them to the channels next week. There are no plans for a 5970 heatsink at this time.
Leak testing and loop reconfiguration time.
http://www.bibliognome.com/pictures/ek5970.jpg
http://www.bibliognome.com/pictures/ek5970x58.jpg
Nice match!
Hello,
After EKWB FC-HD5970 installation yesterday, here are the temp results after 1h30 of Furmark @ 1920x1200 with MSAA @ x8.
The GPU Z screen shots show maximum temps recorded during the benchmark. The GPUZ windows up shows GPU1 info, the second window down displays GPU2 info.
BEFORE the stability test, here are the monitoring informations:
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5009/...2f5300c91f.png
And DURING the benchmark, a screen shot of monitoring information (the Furmark was running in front of all the rest during stability testing, here it's running behind only for the screen shot, I used the Alt + tab function to switch windows)
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5009/...fd7b3c6118.png
Looks great Romir. How was the installation?
gabe:
well there are no re-usable parts on the 5970 cooler as the core "unit" and memory/PWM cooler "unit" are "fused together", I'm in need of a good cooling solution for a 5970 to fit together with my MCW60's
As you can see.... performances are good isn't it?
BUT... since yesterday I have stability issues... I don't know why. I mean during 3D Mark Vantage benchmarking, also with STALKER benchmark... I get a system freeze... impossible to close the benchmark, display is frozen, and the only way to unlock the situation is to reset the system with hardware switch. Any idea? Is it a driver issue, or a hardware issue?
I tried to install the ATi driver again, the Beta 5 available on the ATi website and also the XFX official released driver. If I lauch 3D mark vantage 1 time it's running until the end, but if I close the 3D Mark during the benchmark, and try to launch it again, I have a freeze during the first 3D run. For Stalker Call of Pripyat benchmark, freeze after 10 seconds of benchmark... And I also had a freeze when trying to play COD4 MW4 with the Eyefinity feature enabled on two monitors with different resolution (1920x1200 + 1920x1080...).
I'm affraid ... because I hope this is not a HARDWARE issue... and ''only'' a software issue. Regarding temps I get, everything seems to be ok but...
When dismounting the card, I saw that a component was not well fixed... this one on the picture:
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5009/...ee0fbafd10.jpg
I mean when putting the finger on it, it was moving a little bit... but still connected anyway, I mean the 3 others did not move, perfectly fixed but these 2 where a little bit moving.. And as you can see I was using a special anti static carpet with wristband (the red background on the picture, it's a 3M professional tool...). And when removing the stock cooler, I did it very carefully... and slowly...
What do you think about that? Is it possible that this happens because hardware problems? I don't think so because the Furmark stability test works fine, the 3D Mark Vantages runs fine if I don't close it before during a bench run...
I need your opinion. Is there maybe a component that is not well cooled with the EKWB Waterblock?
Thanks. The installation was surprisingly easy. The only gpu waterblock I've owned before was an EK 4870x2 so the process was familiar. I don't recall if that block came with pre-cut thermal pads for the memory. Having those for this installation was a pleasant surprise. About half of the large thermal pad for the VRMs was left over so there was plenty for botching some cuts.
I thought the spacers would give me some trouble like I had with the full X58 block, but they stayed in place perfectly on the first try. The cards smaller, flat pcb probably helped the placement along with the even weight/size of the block.
Yeah something else I saw when mounting the EKWB waterblock: on the mounting instruction delivered with the FC HD5970, the mounting description for thermal pads shows that we have to put a thermal pad there (see the photo, I can scan the mouting instruction if needed):
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5009/...0b8ec64012.jpg
BUT... after mouting the block... I've checked all the visible thermal contacts and here is what I saw:
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5009/...35ec2cfec3.jpg
Absolutely NO thermal contact between block and this component....
I had a look on the stock cooler of my graphic card, have a look there:
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5009/...89a50c6e73.jpg
So the question is: why the installation manual asks for placing a thermal pad there and why is there no contact betweek Waterblock and this component???
Edit
My guess is so it does not perform a short and act more as an insulating layer than a thermal conductor.
Yeah it could be the answer.
because when you look on my screen shot some answers befor, you can see my GPU-Z monitoring after 1h30 of Furemark and all the temperature are really LOW. If this component was used to be hot during operations, it may have beed monitored too.
I can try to put a thermal sensor on it to check if it's hot of not. I'll do this it's easy to access this side of the graphic card.
Hum sorry, my first picture was wrong, here is the correct position of the component on the PCB:
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5009/...e980e61421.jpg
I saw your clocks in 2 different GPU-Z pics, and one was at 550MHz MAX and the other at 725MHz MAX, which is way below stock, and stock. You need to compare apples to apples if your gonna compare temps to others, I think you need to bump up voltage and overclock.
The component that doesn't make contact with the block; I don't think it is for insulating purposes, it's an inductor, which might get kinda hot, maybe not as hot as the voltage regulators though.
The clocks you saw are not maximum values but only current values at the moment I made the screen shot, as you can see in my comment the 1st screen shot is BEFORE the benchmark and as you know the clock speed of the second GPU is automatically adapted to the real load. Usually in 2D mode it's running at 175MHz...Its a stock feature, as claimed by ATI to reduce idle and 2d power consumption, and this one works perfectly until you play with Overdrive... and some other stuffs that may provoke (some candidates but no winner for the moment) the stability issues...
But have a look on the second screen shot DURING the benchmark, the frequency of BOTH gpu is 725MHz ;) Having a look on the MSI monitoring displays same information. Second screen shot of my post.
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5009/...1873704630.png
So both GPU's are running at stock frequencies, no problem with that, I can see that live on my G15 LCD display during gaming, I compare apples with apples within my system, but for sure I have to make some OC to compare temperatures. This is a starting point and I didn't want to OC my card before making sure that components will be safely cooled.
Then ... I'll make OC but moderately... because driver issues... OMG I had to make a fresh install of windows, I was fed up with system crash (have a look there: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...55#post4150955 )
For the famous component with a thermal pad but no contact with the waterblock: let's wait Eddy's answer about it :) If he does not see this topic, I'll send him an email next week.
1ten percent... that's crazy!
OMG I'm sorry you're right... next time I'll double check on the manual... I was working non stop during more than 30 hours (without sleeping) and I think I was not waken enough when I saw on the manual thermal pads where they are not required...
Here is the proof of my mistake:
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5009/...d9e696d4ca.png
Sorry for the wrong information, it's not necessaty to put thermal pads where I wrote ''it's here'' on my last photo.:shakes:Terribly sorry for that... :(
So I have thermal pads evrywhere I need, and more :)
Concerning the thermal paste, I was disappointed because it's more fluent than the old one I used. The MX3 is really liquid, I mean compared with the ArcticSilver 5 and surely with the Arctic Ceramique... It looks like ''too much'' but... is there any problem? Because my temps are pretty good isn't it? Do I have to remove the waterblock, clean the thermal paste and put new one but less?
On the processor... I only put a very small nut of the same grease, it's working perfectly. So you're right it's too much, but I don't see any negative effect (and remember I order 3x MX3 units... I have enough for this year I hope ^^)
Here the thermal compound recommandations on the manual:
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5009/...bd6fd47b39.png
best way to apply thermal compound is a thin surface covering the hole core. i usually apply a small point of thermal grease and then spread it with a credit card or something like that.
I did this with my old coumpound, with the card of my video club ^^. But since Arcticsilver and Ceramique, I followed the instructions on their website and the result was perfect http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appi..._quad_wcap.pdf
And finally here for the MX3, the instruction is a small point, then pressing the waterblock or radiator exchange surface on it, turn some degrees to the left and to the right and that's all. Because cores on Quad core CPUs are located in the middle and finally thermal paste is there only to fill the gaps. well... on the GPU I don't know how this works, that why I put some more thermal compound...
Finally I don't think there is a ''best way'', I think there is a target that we have to achieve: filling the gap, the empty spaces to have better contact possible. Many ways certainly to reach the target.
I received my EK 5970 block today (nickel/plexi, my favorite) and I've really enjoyed it so far.
Pros:
The new packaging is really nice. Minor point but it still was nice.
3 Different thermal pads. The memory thermal pads were pre-cut and very easy to install. The other thermal pads were easily attachable.
Standoffs. I really liked the little standoffs and it made for a perfect fit once on. It feels extremely solid and as straight as an arrow.
Black screws! Great change compared to the silver metal looking ones of the past. Great change there.
1 extra of each screw. Always nice to have 1 extra. I would have liked to see one extra spacer, but no big deal there.
I'm currently testing the performance right now but so far it's been a pleasant experience.
Just saw the results on the DD 5970 crossfire build at the other forum:
Set VCORE to 1.3V , Mem at max ATI Overvolt tool setting 1.15V
Set GPU @1000MHz and DDR @ 1300MHz
Ran Furmark at 1680x1050 8x AA for 30 mins
Max VRM/VDDC temps were 54C. The GPUS topped out at 52C and the i7 920 hit 60C
I didn't even think you could do this with a 3x120mm radiator :shrug:
Link
Does the EK 5970 block come with a backplate?
Or do you just use the stock one.
Well as far as I know ATM the EK5970 waterblock I have didn't come with a back plate and use's the stock one. But I hope truly hope Eddy does bring one out. He did with the EK5850 and EK5870 and look great. Pics of the EK5850/5870.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...35#post4156435
Hello,
It's the stock one. No backplate delivered with the EKWB waterblock. For information, this would be useless because the waterblock is removing so many heat from the card that the backplate that you can see is not really hot in association with wb, only a little bit warm that's all, compared with the stock rad. The backplate helps to avoid curving of the pcb, and also act as radiator for the memories (thermal pads between memories and this black back plate).
Performance are very impressive. It's really a dream for overclockers. With the 480mm rad, nothing more than 45°C for the GPU and 51°C for the VRM @ full load @ stock clock speed. Let's say the margin for OC... is good isn't it? ;)
From looking at the installation manual you use the stock backplate.
No backplate with the block.
But we are about to make same style as with 5850/5870 block backplate.
Why? To increase the price for something absolutely not necessary? I prefer to have it as an option and be able to choose if I want it of not. Like for the GTX295 blocks.
... or send it for free to those who already got the 5970 WB :D
I am still SO confused on which block to get between the EK, BP, Koolance or DD. Currently running an I7 at 4/Apogee GTZ/PA120.3. I want to add my 5970 without a second rad for now. Any suggestions? Not meaning to go OT or anything but looks like there is some great info/users in this thread.
Hi guys,
I was wondering if someone could tell me the best possible block for these 5970's? I'm currently looking at the Aqua blocks, but I just wanted to check the with guys that are in the know :) I have been reading that its the VRM's that are causing the problems, not the cores giving the temp problems.
Before dropping the cash on to possibly 3 blocks, I'd like to make sure I'm getting the right one :)
From what Ive read EK seem to be the best at the moment, because of all the VRM cooling dispute, but my guess is they will all perform pretty well, within maybe a degrees difference at most. Personally I've got a koolance and with a 320 rad it doesnt go above 50 full load with noctuna's, stays at 45 full load with Delta fans on :P
Right mate, thank you for the reply :)
Do you have any screen shots showing the GPU speeds, temps etc? Looks like the EK block it is then :)
EK and Danger Den are both good from what I've seen. Heard of some high VRM temps with the Koolance block...