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11-17-2009, 10:50 PM
AuDioFreaK39

Nvidia Fermi GF100 working desktop card spotted on Facebook

Nvidia Fermi GF100 first working desktop card spotted

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9411/geforcez.jpg

On Nvidia’s Facebook page

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A few hours ago, the Nvidia engineers running the company’s Facebook page uploaded a picture of what appears to be the first working sample of a 40nm GF100 high-end card based on Fermi architecture, the first to make its way on the internet.

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._2290687_n.jpg

The image was uploaded at 9:45pm PST and depicts the Geforce desktop card running Uningine’s Heaven DirectX 11 benchmark on a Dell 24-inch monitor, so we can rationally assume that the benchmark resolution is 1920x1200. The core hardware configuration appears to be composed of an ASUS Rampage II Extreme LGA 1366 motherboard coupled with undetermined Core i7 processor and DDR3 memory.

Upon close inspection in Photoshop with the help of others, it appears that the 40nm Fermi-based GF100 monster is using a PCI-Express 8-pin adapter on the left and a 6-pin adapter on the right, so nothing is new in terms of PSU hardware requirements for enthusiast consumers. It is important to note that this particular engineering sample GPU is using the recently taped-out A2 silicon. Our multiple internal sources have previously confirmed that the company will move to A3 silicon for its final retail products.

Two days ago, Nvidia publicly demonstrated its first working GPU samples based on Fermi architecture during SC 2009 (Super Computer Convention). SC is the international conference for high-performance computing, networking, storage and analysis, where the company unveiled the Tesla 20-series lineup priced respectively between $2,499 and $18,995. As previously stated, these Fermi GPUs catered toward the High Performance Computing (HPC) market segment are not expected to launch in Q2 2010, while the high-end Geforce desktop units as depicted in the image above are expected to be announced at CES 2010 (January 7th – 10th) and will launch earlier, sometime in Q1 2010.

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11-17-2009, 11:12 PM
LordEC911

So yet another PCB layout???
What happened to the 9in card people said was the final design?
11-17-2009, 11:21 PM
EniGmA1987

"people said"?

Who cares what people say, pictures and working product matter more. Plus why would there be a 9-pin PCI-E power connector? 6-pins are the only common connector around, with 8-pin being found on some more powerful PSU's and only more recently on mid range PSUs. A new connector would just mean less people buy this card, and with it coming so late and having so many problems Nvidia is going to need all the selling power they can get once its released. Hopefully we will find that either they solve the clock speed issue, or that even at slow speeds it is somehow a monster in the graphics department.
11-17-2009, 11:28 PM
LordEC911

*Facepalm*
in = inches.
11-17-2009, 11:30 PM
InCredible

figures fps are cut out of the pic :( nice to see SOMETHING tho..
11-17-2009, 11:35 PM
hurleybird

If that was fermi I'd expect tessellation to be turned on.

EDIT: Or is it? the steps and floor don't look tessellated, but the posts and dragon do...

EDIT 2: NM, house in the background looks obviously tessellated.

I wonder if the FPS being cut out was deliberate... if so, is that because the FPS is low? Makes sense. The other question is, if so, is it because the architecture flopped, or is it the drivers?
11-17-2009, 11:36 PM
Helloworld_98

the only thing Fermi had over the 5970 was that it could fit in most people's cases, now it looks like it's lost that advantage too
11-17-2009, 11:50 PM
DelaMaris

So GF100 is flagship of Fermi architecture?
11-17-2009, 11:53 PM
lutjens

Knowing NVidia, it's likely that this is a rebranded GTX295 card with a new heatsink...:rolleyes:

I'll be very surprised to see Fermi cards available for sale sooner than April 2010....way too late to be anything more than a humerous footnote to this product cycle.
11-17-2009, 11:57 PM
eleeter

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Originally Posted by lutjens

Knowing NVidia, it's likely that this is a rebranded GTX295 card with a new heatsink...:rolleyes:

lol well anything's possible, but it's very likely the real deal. Of course we have no details, clocks, power usage, silicon revision, performance etc. But at least we know the card is no longer a pink elephant and does actually exist.

Kinda odd that the first actual working unit is posted on Facebook though.
11-18-2009, 12:00 AM
Russian

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Originally Posted by lutjens

Knowing NVidia, it's likely that this is a rebranded GTX295 card with a new heatsink...:rolleyes:

I'll be very surprised to see Fermi cards available for sale sooner than April 2010....way too late to be anything more than a humerous footnote to this product cycle.

You sound like charlie.

is nvidia also going out of business?
11-18-2009, 12:02 AM
Solus Corvus

Wow guys. It's embarrassing when eleeter is the voice of reason in an NV thread...
11-18-2009, 12:27 AM
IDANPE

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

the only thing Fermi had over the 5970 was that it could fit in most people's cases, now it looks like it's lost that advantage too

I think you're wrong ..
The card is the same length as the board so he it should be shorter than 5970.
11-18-2009, 12:34 AM
eleeter

Alrighty then, I'll be "unreasonable".

Has it really come to the point where Nvidia has to post low rez images of Fermi on Facebook to try and appease the masses? :stick:
11-18-2009, 01:10 AM
Tim

To actually see some real hardware makes me feel a lot more positive about Fermi. Sure it will need A3 hardware, but it probably means Engineering Samples are already in the hands of game studios, games being optimized for it. That can only be good for the consumer (debatable lol). Let's face it, there is not much point in upgrading if you've have bought a high end card in the last two years. Most of us can wait a little longer still. :)

I sure am, I just want to see what it's capable of. Plenty of time to go AMD if it's rubbish.
11-18-2009, 03:05 AM
Blacky

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Originally Posted by Russian

You sound like charlie.

is nvidia also going out of business?

I thought the same for an instance :rofl: I hope they don't face several shortage issues like ATi, if it does the prices on e-tailers is going to be overrated...
11-18-2009, 03:12 AM
Aimr

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Originally Posted by Tim

To actually see some real hardware makes me feel a lot more positive about Fermi. Sure it will need A3 hardware, but it probably means Engineering Samples are already in the hands of game studios, games being optimized for it. That can only be good for the consumer (debatable lol). Let's face it, there is not much point in upgrading if you've have bought a high end card in the last two years. Most of us can wait a little longer still. :)

I sure am, I just want to see what it's capable of. Plenty of time to go AMD if it's rubbish.

Fully Agree
11-18-2009, 03:42 AM
Boissez

Am I the only thinking it is just too much of a "coincidence" that we see a Fermi leak on Hemlock-day?

Now i have no proof but it does smell like Nvidia marketing BS... :down:
11-18-2009, 04:07 AM
oohms

/puts on tinfoil hat

They could have used a 5870 for the screenshot, and a mockup card in the foreground :D
11-18-2009, 04:08 AM
Sadasius

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Originally Posted by Boissez

Am I the only thinking it is just too much of a "coincidence" that we see a Fermi leak on Hemlock-day?

Now i have no proof but it does smell like Nvidia marketing BS... :down:

I agree. I think it is a Nvidia BS move and I think that card is not even running on the screen and it is actually a 5870 on the top mobo seen in the picture on the shelf that is connected instead. I think they are trying to mislead again as of late. Considering all the BS Nvidia has been doing lately I am not giving them a damn inch until they prove with a damn picture the card is actually wired to that monitor. Nvidia has about as much credibility as a fart in a tornado at this point in time.
11-18-2009, 04:16 AM
wez

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Originally Posted by Boissez

Now i have no proof but it does smell like Nvidia marketing BS... :down:

Well duh... :D
11-18-2009, 04:26 AM
Solus Corvus

Obviously the timing isn't a coincidence.

But nothing about that picture makes think it's fake. I'd expect that they have early silicon running by now. We still don't know the clocks of that card, it's performance, etc. All we know (if that picture is real) is that it runs DX11 and exists somewhere. Not a real big surprise, IMO.
11-18-2009, 04:33 AM
VoodooProphetII

The gullibility and ignorance of you ALL......... astounding.
11-18-2009, 04:34 AM
massman

Anyone else noticed the other setup on top of this one (upper right corner)?
11-18-2009, 04:35 AM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by VoodooProphetII

The gullibility and ignorance of you ALL......... astounding.

An ad hominem does not an argument make. [/yoda]
11-18-2009, 04:39 AM
zalbard

Looks just as long as 5870 to me.
Also 8+6 pin power, which means that 225W TDP rumour was about right.
11-18-2009, 04:40 AM
N19h7m4r3

Why is there a second setup above the NV one with an old Audigy 2 soundcard in it?

Today's onboard sound is better, hmm I might be paranoid but maybe they're using that soundcard to block the view of an 5870.

Which could have been used to run the benchmark?
11-18-2009, 04:44 AM
VoodooProphetII

If the shoe fits, I'll wear it. But unfortunately it is a little too big for me.
11-18-2009, 04:50 AM
kadozer

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Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3

Why is there a second setup above the NV one with an old Audigy 2 soundcard in it?

Today's onboard sound is better, hmm I might be paranoid but maybe they're using that soundcard to block the view of an 5870.

Which could have been used to run the benchmark?

You are on to something. You can definitely make out the fan spinning of another video card.
11-18-2009, 04:57 AM
Solus Corvus

There is definitely the front of a video card (or some kind of card) behind the sound card. I don't see any red though - which would be a dead giveaway for a 5xxx card. We need one of those resolution enhancers from tv shows that makes you able to zoom in on a suspect's skin pores from a low resolution convenience store security camera.
11-18-2009, 04:58 AM
Tim

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Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3

Why is there a second setup above the NV one with an old Audigy 2 soundcard in it?

Today's onboard sound is better, hmm I might be paranoid but maybe they're using that soundcard to block the view of an 5870.

Which could have been used to run the benchmark?

loool please no. :ROTF:

A lot of rigs used by Engineers have got older hardware in them. Do you need an X-fi for debugging purposes? Don't think so.

Look here for instance :

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/mem...n-california/4

Are those S3 virge's and Sis 305's I can see????? NOOO They must be hiding something!1!1

And what do I see there? The Fermi rig doesn't have a soundcard installed? How weird! There must be some secret conspiracy going on!

Come on guys, give me a break. :rolleyes:

Fermi A2 silicon is alive and kicking

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A3 should be the one to ship

For evaluation purposes, testing, playing and toying, Nvidia has been using A2 silicon in its pre-production Fermi-based Geforce cards. The company has quite a few of them inside its fortress and still has not shipped many samples outside of its offices, as it is afraid of leaks.

We have been informed that the A3 version of the chip should be the final one to ship in retail and that the current situation seems feasible for a January launch. However, this launch is likely to take place after CES.

The performance of A2 silicon is good but for some reason, Nvidia has decided to go for A3 silicon on its retail products. This inevitably caused a delay and forced Nvidia to push the product from November to January, and we hope for Nvidia's sake that this will be the last delay.

Multiple internal sources are claiming that January should be the time that the company might start selling Fermi-based Geforce desktop cards.

Source : Fudzilla
11-18-2009, 05:06 AM
ajaidev

I still use Sound blaster 24bit and hell its a sound blaster, older techies have heard more about sound blaster series than Audigy/XFi :) But it does not mean that i love my xfi any less....

If a desktop version of fermi does not come till jan end i am walking "Quite literary to AMD's 5970 store"
11-18-2009, 05:16 AM
N19h7m4r3

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Originally Posted by Tim

loool please no. :ROTF:

A lot of rigs used by Engineers have got older hardware in them. Do you need an X-fi for debugging purposes? Don't think so.

Look here for instance :

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/mem...n-california/4

Are those S3 virge's and Sis 305's I can see????? NOOO They must be hiding something!1!1

And what do I see there? The Fermi rig doesn't have a soundcard installed? How weird! There must be some secret conspiracy going on!

Come on guys, give me a break. :rolleyes:

Fermi A2 silicon is alive and kicking

Source : Fudzilla

If that's the case, why not use the onboard sound for debugging.

But Like I said, maybe I'm going paranoid with all this NV stuff.

I do love NV cards, My X2 was the first ATI card I've used since an old 2900gt.

But that seems a little odd to me.
11-18-2009, 05:18 AM
Nedjo

probably the most desperate spoiler ever - facebook pic... pff!
11-18-2009, 05:37 AM
Piotrsama

:shakes:
Guys, you all have it wrong... That hidden card it's not an ATI.
The card in the background, the one that is doing the real job is..... a working Larrabee card.
Given by Otellini himself to Jen-Hsun Huang, in a secret meeting where they shook hands and swore eternal friendship.

After that, the evil JHH got that nasty idea of faking a fermi with the legendary card.

j/k
(in case somebody doesn't get it)
11-18-2009, 05:39 AM
FlanK3r

its fake, watch better at this photo (photoshop :) )
11-18-2009, 05:42 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

its fake, watch better at this photo (photoshop :) )

Um, proof?
Post some image or something?
11-18-2009, 06:18 AM
trinibwoy

Im waiting for the Huang isan alien theory. No sound card means it's fake? Lol I felt stupid just typing that.
11-18-2009, 06:32 AM
Particle

Hyaruaang is an alien.

I really doubt they're trying to pull one over. They've got little reason to. We know they've got silicon, and it surely can run 3D at SOME speed. No FPS counter makes sense.

Also, an argument isn't ad hominem if the person doesn't try and use the attack as proof of a point. You can make fun of someone all you want to in a valid argument.
11-18-2009, 06:56 AM
d33f

I too think this is just another part of the faking business of Nvidia. As you can also see on the picture is the amount of cables comming from the top setup going to the bottom and supposingly to the monitor.

Sorry but Nvidia lost there credibility to many times with there BS propoganda.

They look like kids proving that they are the best without HARD evidence, please Nvidia grow up, and go make decent GPU's instead of this childish business
11-18-2009, 07:41 AM
highoctane

I'm not going to speculate on the whether its the real deal or not but at this point one should expect they would have some form of working silicon.

As for the other systems in the picture, this is probably a lab with multiple systems probably using kvm switches. Personally I would expect no less than to see all kinds of different hardware running at the same location that components engineered & validated would be operating.

I would imagine they debug & validate the hardware with various different hardware components to make sure there are not issues under a multitude of hardware combinations with hardware and drivers.
11-18-2009, 07:42 AM
FischOderAal

Wow, I can barely see through all this reflected light from the tinfoil hats.

NVIDIA has a bad reputation when it comes down to PR (oh well, which company doesn't?) but there's no reason for them to fake it. NVIDIA is said to have working silicon and the picture just shows "it works", nothing more. I don't see a plausible reason that they faked it.
11-18-2009, 07:46 AM
ethomaz

Fermi demo at SC09. 6.2x faster than GT200???

YouTube - Demonstration of NVidia Fermi (Fermi vs. GT 200)

Source: http://www.vizworld.com/2009/11/nvidias-fermi-sc09/
11-18-2009, 07:48 AM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by ethomaz

Fermi demo at SC09. 6.2x faster than GT200???

YouTube - Demonstration of NVidia Fermi (Fermi vs. GT 200)

Source: http://www.vizworld.com/2009/11/nvidias-fermi-sc09/

Interesting!
11-18-2009, 07:55 AM
Sadasius

Isn't that the same BS video to show the difference between the CPU and GPU in precision that they had with the fake wood screw Fermi presentation?
11-18-2009, 07:55 AM
Tim

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Originally Posted by ethomaz

Fermi demo at SC09. 6.2x faster than GT200???

YouTube - Demonstration of NVidia Fermi (Fermi vs. GT 200)

Source: http://www.vizworld.com/2009/11/nvidias-fermi-sc09/

Wow, very impressive. I'm really getting excited to see how fast Fermi is in games. Hopefully a revolution in speed.
11-18-2009, 07:56 AM
Glow9

I'm sure many struggling firms will pick up hundreds of these. lol buying a card that costs as much as an VW yet knowing a gpu that will cost $500 has the same gpu in it makes a lot of sense.
11-18-2009, 07:59 AM
tbone8ty

great were getting tech news off facebook now!? haha jeez
11-18-2009, 08:20 AM
Piotrsama

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

great were getting tech news off facebook now!? haha jeez

And not to forget the fermi "review" that surfaced on Youtube like one month ago!
11-18-2009, 08:25 AM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

great were getting tech news off facebook now!? haha jeez

Well considering its from Nvidia themselves and they happen to use a facebook page whats the big deal???

http://www.facebook.com/NVIDIA?_fb_noscript=1
11-18-2009, 08:28 AM
DosDuoNo

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

great were getting tech news off facebook now!? haha jeez

wow, so social networking sites have a use other than 'look what im doing' :yepp:

heres the brand new site all you social networkers might be interested in,

www.friendface.com
11-18-2009, 08:30 AM
Sadasius

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Originally Posted by highoctane

Well considering its from Nvidia themselves ...

nuff said! :rolleyes:
11-18-2009, 08:32 AM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

nuff said! :rolleyes:

And we should put more faith in the blabberings of the haters & speculators?
11-18-2009, 08:36 AM
Sadasius

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Originally Posted by highoctane

And we should put more faith in the blabberings of the haters & speculators?

Nope. You do know there is usually more then just black and white. How about putting your faith in the product when they prove it's actually working. Haters, blabberings and BS PR is all crap which is exactly what this thread started off to be. There is no proof it is what they say it is just like the wood screw special. :yepp:
11-18-2009, 08:45 AM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

Nope. You do know there is usually more then just black and white. How about putting your faith in the product when they prove it's actually working. Haters, blabberings and BS PR is all crap which is exactly what this thread started off to be. There is no proof it is what they say it is just like the wood screw special. :yepp:

Of course marketing and PR are not black and white, I don't trust Nvidia or ATI or Intel or AMD or Company X to tell me the whole truth anymore than I would trust my government to tell me the whole truth.

However Fermi is supposedly up and running/demoing at SC09, so why would they fake a picture on their facebook page when they've got a live demo.
11-18-2009, 08:57 AM
FischOderAal

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Originally Posted by DosDuoNo

www.friendface.com

Haha :D I remember that IT-crowd episode :up:

They got quite a few websites with hints and hidden information around that series. Plain awesome :)

"If you type google into google you can break the internet! So please, don't do it!"

Sorry for offtopic :(
11-18-2009, 09:13 AM
s0lid

Well here's that picture analysed, no idea who did it but:

http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00828/5282536.png

:rofl:
11-18-2009, 09:31 AM
overclocking101

this is rich.
11-18-2009, 09:39 AM
trinibwoy

Hahaha, omg there was a second mouse! It's defintely fake.
11-18-2009, 09:42 AM
Hell Hound

There going to sell rebaged ATI cards.:ROTF:
11-18-2009, 09:43 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by ethomaz

Fermi demo at SC09. 6.2x faster than GT200???

YouTube - Demonstration of NVidia Fermi (Fermi vs. GT 200)

Source: http://www.vizworld.com/2009/11/nvidias-fermi-sc09/

it could be very easy to over saturate one of the limits of the gt200 to make it look so much slower than fermi.
11-18-2009, 09:47 AM
trinibwoy

That's not even necessary. The theoretical advantage is 8x so 6.2x isn't unexpected.
11-18-2009, 09:50 AM
s0lid

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Hahaha, omg there was a second mouse! It's defintely fake.

Spot the second computer at the right upper corner.
Puts on the tinfoilhat =P
11-18-2009, 09:51 AM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

it could be very easy to over saturate one of the limits of the gt200 to make it look so much slower than fermi.

True but that could also be the point, gt200 saturated while fermi is not.

Text from the vid:

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Demonstration by NVidia on the SuperComputing 2009 Show Floor, showing a particle physics simulation running on a Fermi, capable of 9.1 Billion interactions per second, compared to the existing top...
11-18-2009, 09:54 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by highoctane

True but that could also be the point, gt200 saturated while fermi is not.

Text from the vid:

if its just DP based calcs, then trinibwoy is right that it could simply be that much faster (however i would like to see that same benchmark on a 5870 then)
11-18-2009, 10:12 AM
Sadasius

I really don't care about double precision calculations at all. We don't need that in gaming performance. What i would like to see is this thing finally coming out and kicking ass so all the prices can come down a little and the customer can have a choice. That's what I would like to see instead of BS PR marketing filled with wood screws.
11-18-2009, 10:17 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

I really don't care about double precision calculations at all. We don't need that in gaming performance. What i would like to see is this thing finally coming out and kicking ass so all the prices can come down a little and the customer can have a choice. That's what I would like to see instead of BS PR marketing filled with wood screws.

Oh, so true.
They shouldn't force professional cards onto the gaming market... :shakes:
11-18-2009, 10:50 AM
Helloworld_98

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Originally Posted by Hell Hound

There going to sell rebaged ATI cards.:ROTF:

with crappy nvidia coolers, at $500 more! and they'll have a slight OC aswell, about 25MHz.

ATi will make loads from nvidia buying so many and nvidia will make a massive loss because hardly anyone buys them.
11-18-2009, 11:00 AM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

with crappy nvidia coolers, at $500 more! and they'll have a slight OC aswell, about 25MHz.

ATi will make loads from nvidia buying so many and nvidia will make a massive loss because hardly anyone buys them.

When have nvidia coolers been more crappy as of late?

If its most recent quarter is any indication. Nvidia charges $100 dollars more if they did do a rebadge, then turn out 100 million dollar profit while AMD graphic division makes a modest profit of 5 million dollars.

Seriously those, AMD graphic division has a hard time churning out big numbers, no matter what they do. I hope AMD can make 100+ million dollars this term, but no matter what situation they are in, they can't make big numbers.
11-18-2009, 11:06 AM
Sam_oslo

This is fake, kids. Don't take everything serios.

OMG, this re-branding business may have gone a bit too far this time. is that a re-branded 5870? :rofl:
11-18-2009, 11:38 AM
FischOderAal

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

OMG, this re-branding business may have gone a bit too far this time. is that a re-branded 5870? :rofl:

Wow! Maybe NVIDIA will sell huge monolithic GPUs vor HP-consumers and rebadged ATIs for the gamers?! So all this G92-rebranding was just practicing!

(Don't take me serious atm)
11-18-2009, 11:48 AM
N19h7m4r3

HAHAHAH!:rofl:

Quote from the NV facebook

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The worldwide leader in visual computing technologies and the inventor of the GPU.

:rofl:

That's rich! Nvidia did not invent the GPU...
11-18-2009, 11:59 AM
thatdude90210

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Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3

HAHAHAH!:rofl:
That's rich! Nvidia did not invent the GPU...

They sorta did. They came up with the term "GPU" for graphic processing unit, for their first Geforce when they started including hardware T & L. Before that, graphic chips were just called graphic chips.
11-18-2009, 12:10 PM
trinibwoy

They also invented the cGPU it seems since that's also a random name they came up with for their Tesla cards.
11-18-2009, 12:10 PM
Helloworld_98

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

When have nvidia coolers been more crappy as of late?

If its most recent quarter is any indication. Nvidia charges $100 dollars more if they did do a rebadge, then turn out 100 million dollar profit while AMD graphic division makes a modest profit of 5 million dollars.

Seriously those, AMD graphic division has a hard time churning out big numbers, no matter what they do. I hope AMD can make 100+ million dollars this term, but no matter what situation they are in, they can't make big numbers.

seriously?

nvidia coolers wouldn't cool an ATi card, nvidia makes there coolers for low noise over cooling, ATi, vice versa.

if they did a rebadge then they'd still be paying ATi, an awful lot by the way, so for every $100 of profit on a $400 card taking in mind general costs of re-badging would put it at about $580 if they wanted $100 profit. ATi pays $200 for the card to make it (this is the R870 BTW) so ATi makes double the profit nvidia does on each card, so the $100mln for nvidia would be over $200mln for AMD.

ATi is doing amazingly for such a small company which only gets it's cash from ultra high end buyers and low end buyers. AMD won't make a profit this Q, even though they got 1.25bln compensation (extremely low BTW considering Intel paid just over 1 in fines to the EU) they paid off some of their debts but took out another loan (yeah, first you think FAIL! but then you consider the amount of money they put into R&D and you rethink about it)
11-18-2009, 12:37 PM
BAGR_001

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Originally Posted by s0lid

Well here's that picture analysed, no idea who did it but:

http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00828/5282536.png

:rofl:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1631/fermisata.jpg
11-18-2009, 12:39 PM
Pinacolada

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Originally Posted by BAGR_001

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1631/fermisata.jpg

lol dude, you got too much time :)
11-18-2009, 12:44 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by Particle

Also, an argument isn't ad hominem if the person doesn't try and use the attack as proof of a point. You can make fun of someone all you want to in a valid argument.

Yeah, I know the rules of logical fallacies. It seemed like he was simply leaving out the implied "Therefore...". But if he just came in the thread to insult a bunch of people and didn't really have any point, that doesn't really make the post any better. ;)
11-18-2009, 01:00 PM
VoodooProphetII

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

Yeah, I know the rules of logical fallacies. It seemed like he was simply leaving out the implied "Therefore...". But if he just came in the thread to insult a bunch of people and didn't really have any point, that doesn't really make the post any better. ;)

Hi.... I'm just laughing and smiling for what I see could only be seen as funny. If the shoe fits, then I suggest you try it on. It is waiting for you.
11-18-2009, 01:02 PM
p2501

Question:

Why would they, when they feel the need to fake a picture for facebook, be as incompetent as to place the system that the monitor is actually plugged into, right next to the 'fake' Fermi system in said picture (together with that ominous second mouse)? Wouldn't it be more convincing to have just the 'fake' Fermi system in the picture and the 'real' system right left to the monitor, where it could never be seen unless you're able to zoom into pictures like in CSI?

Then again, a fake picture on a platform for fake friends is just about an adequate way of gaining publicity, a befitting follow-up for that wooden-screw-fermi-mockup-desaster.

So what is right and wrong here?
11-18-2009, 01:07 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by VoodooProphetII

Hi.... I'm just laughing and smiling for what I see could only be seen as funny. If the shoe fits, then I suggest you try it on. It is waiting for you.

So you think that believing the picture is probably real is being gullible and ignorant? I'd like to see you try and defend that position. Lol. :rolleyes:
11-18-2009, 01:08 PM
highoctane

Well maybe they have more than one fermi setup shown in the picture, why is the picture limited to one possible fermi, its endless speculation.

Its a supposed picture of fermi, if you want to see a working fermi get some tickets and goto SC09.
11-18-2009, 01:12 PM
p2501

Oh I would really like to see a working Fermi-type card, having one even more so. Because it looks like a winner for Folding and because it's actually a new design, not a blown-up version of G80. =)
11-18-2009, 01:17 PM
DragoonXX

who knows for sure, with the huge amount of cable mess coming down from the unknown second system and the only cable seeming to come out of the "fermi" system being a monitor cable that's going straight downwith no apparent loopback
11-18-2009, 01:19 PM
VoodooProphetII

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

So you think that believing the picture is probably real is being gullible and ignorant? I'd like to see you try and defend that position. Lol. :rolleyes:

I don't need to defend it, as the reason why you guys are so quick to jump at this either positive or negative is the exact reason why I pass comments the way I do. Edit (However, I do feel that the negative deserve more of a laugh then the positive, for the positive leans towards hope, and the negative, well what exactly do you gain?) If the age group invovled were between 12 and 16 I could somehow comprehend the reason for reaction, but I doubt that the age group is limited to those numbers.
11-18-2009, 01:29 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by VoodooProphetII

I don't need to defend it, as the reason why you guys are so quick to jump at this either positive or negative is the exact reason why I pass comments the way I do. Edit (However, I do feel that the negative deserve more of a laugh then the positive, for the positive leans towards hope, and the negative, well what exactly do you gain?) If the age group invovled were between 12 and 16 I could somehow comprehend the reason for reaction, but I doubt that the age group is limited to those numbers.

So simply looking at a picture and making up our own minds about the probability of being real or not is being gullible and ignorant? The only ones that aren't gullible and ignorant are picture agnostics?
11-18-2009, 01:33 PM
VoodooProphetII

Hi Solus Corvus.... don't take my comments too personal. I'm just messing with you. But I do find it funny.... no wait....interesting how passionate some of us get about certain topics.

Anyways, not worries. Just tired and need to go and sleep. ha ha ha
11-18-2009, 01:35 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by VoodooProphetII

Hi Solus Corvus.... don't take my comments too personal. I'm just messing with you. But I do find it funny.... no wait....interesting how passionate some of us get about certain topics.

Anyways, not worries. Just tired and need to go and sleep. ha ha ha

I'm not taking it very personally. I'm just trying to figure out what your point is. I can't seem to pin it down, but you are still using some form a fallacious reasoning, IMO.
11-18-2009, 01:40 PM
VoodooProphetII

fallacious reasoning... Man those words are too muvh for me right now.

Let me put it this way. I feel that there are worse, or better things to be passionate about then a piece of non existing or existing computer hardware. But don't mind me. I am usually the only person thniking or reasoning this way.
11-18-2009, 01:43 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by VoodooProphetII

fallacious reasoning... Man those words are too muvh for me right now.

Let me put it this way. I feel that there are worse, or better things to be passionate about then a piece of non existing or existing computer hardware. But don't mind me. I am usually the only person thniking or reasoning this way.

Just because I'm passionate about nonexistent hardware doesn't mean I can't be as or more passionate about something else. How do you know what I do off these forums? Ever hear of a false dichotomy?
11-18-2009, 01:49 PM
Sadasius

I find this to be the perfect place to get passionate about computer hardware. I would understand your reasoning voodoo if it was a 'Tupperware' forum but it is not. We are talking computer hardware amongst enthusiasts on a forum called 'Xtremesystems'. Correct me if I am in the wrong place. :rofl: It is very easy to sit on the outside of everything and criticize. It another matter entirely to actually be involved.
11-18-2009, 02:04 PM
blob

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Originally Posted by ethomaz

Fermi demo at SC09. 6.2x faster than GT200???

YouTube - Demonstration of NVidia Fermi (Fermi vs. GT 200)

Source: http://www.vizworld.com/2009/11/nvidias-fermi-sc09/

The card in that HP system isn't a Tesla
11-18-2009, 02:13 PM
Vivi

i think this senseless discussion will all be resolved when fermi is released and rapes on liquid nitrogen, because thats all i care about.
Who cares if the card is really working or not, when it is released you will see. And if the 5970 is still better then so be it welldone ATI but i believe nvidia's got a big mother effing surprize waiting for us.
11-18-2009, 02:17 PM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by Vivi

i think this senseless discussion will all be resolved when fermi is released and rapes on liquid nitrogen, because thats all i care about.
Who cares if the card is really working or not, when it is released you will see. And if the 5970 is still better then so be it welldone ATI but i believe nvidia's got a big mother effing surprize waiting for us.

your right, it is big, it should hopefully perform nicely relative to its size
11-18-2009, 02:40 PM
Vivi

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

your right, it is big, it should hopefully perform nicely relative to its size

lol love your sarcasm :D.

But i think we are all missing the point here, THAT IS ONE AWESOME LOOKING DRAGON on that screen
11-18-2009, 02:49 PM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by Vivi

But i think we are all missing the point here, THAT IS ONE AWESOME LOOKING DRAGON on that screen

Absolutely!! :D
11-18-2009, 02:51 PM
Solus Corvus

Yeah, it doesn't look half as good when rendered on a 5870! :p:
11-18-2009, 03:01 PM
AliG

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Originally Posted by Vivi

i believe nvidia's got a big mother effing surprize waiting for us.

I disagree, just look at NVIDIA's marketing in the past. When they had a winner, it was always well anounced and there was hardly any ambiguity as they were launched on time. Its the samething with intel vs amd, the company with the better product is always sure to launch first.

Just think about how fast the 4870 and 5870 came out compared to the r600, albeit supply was an issue at launch, but there were no major delays. If anything, the 5870 came out earlier than I expected, I thought they would have milked the 4870x2 a bit longer.

I do agree, the debate is senseless over whether that is a real card because more than likely NV will never reveal the truth unless it is advantageous to them (which I don't see happening). However there is also no real discussion needed on whether fermi will be game changing, simply put, if it didn't have problems, it would have been out already (there's no way you can deny that logic, because if its not true, then NV's product must either suck or their management is retarded).
11-18-2009, 03:04 PM
D749

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Originally Posted by s0lid

Well here's that picture analysed, no idea who did it but:

http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00828/5282536.png

:rofl:

That made my day. :clap:
11-18-2009, 03:19 PM
SamHughe

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Originally Posted by Piotrsama

And not to forget the fermi "review" that surfaced on Youtube like one month ago!

That was a great thread. Too bad it went away. I was having so much fun with it. :p:

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