ATI Radeon HD 5950 = Radeon HD 5870 With Six DisplayPort Connections

Bad news guys, NO DUAL GPU 5950. I had a bad feeling about this one, as I couldn't really think of how they would have been able to make a 5950 with lower specs than 5970. The 5970 is already cut down more than we would of really liked, and as it seems there is nowhere else to fit a downsized dual gpu 5950.:down:

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The first benchmarks of AMD's upcoming HD 5970 graphics card with two GPUs have emerged. It is also clear that the second video card in the 5900 series, HD 5950, HD 5870 with a six-port outputs will display.

There is quite some confusion about the video card Hemlock, Cypress, two GPUs on board will have. Having previously announced that the video card called HD 5970 will come out instead of HD 5870 X2. In the 5900-series graphics cards, two to appear. An anonymous source reported to Tweakers.net to know that the HD 5950 HD 5870 is actually one, but with six mini-display port outputs. The card was previously known as the six-edition. When this card is released and for what price is not yet known.

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That's an odd naming scheme...

Isn't that the Eye-finity?
Or else, it's definitely a FAIL naming scheme.

A mountain of salt. This has 0 substance, lets wait till AMD officially announce it before we start bashing them. :rofl:

*cough*BS*cough*

im sry i dont believe this

Hahaha ;)

Hope it's not true.

Seems very odd sine they made two dual cards in the 3000 and 4000 series...Well, I hope it's fake!

bad name but good product that i waiting for

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Originally Posted by madcho

bad name but good product that i waiting for

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I agree with his statement. Also, AMD was decent enough to change the name early in it's life cycle, and not a year after it was released like it's competitor.

Six DisplayPort alone doesnt a Radeon HD 5950 make...if a 5950 at all then prolly with 900-100mhz and/or 2Gigs of memory

Radeon HD 5870 With Six DisplayPort Connections = HD5870 Eyefinity6 Edition

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Originally Posted by blob

Radeon HD 5870 With Six DisplayPort Connections = HD5870 Eyefinity6 Edition

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Exactly. The OP is total bs.

5950 should be priced near the 5970 than the 5870, but if its this with a name change people will be pissed at that price. Hope the 5950 is not a 5870 with 6 outs

i say :bs:

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An anonymous source reported to Tweakers.net

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he said, she said, her neighbours cousins husbands best friend said...

the article is full of fail
5970 ill be priced at 500$ according to them, no freaking way they would do that

I don't think there will ever be a 5950. If there is going to be one, it won't be dual gpu, it'll be either something like the OP or a single GPU with a faster clock like 4890 was to 4870.

If its true the 5950 will be clock like a beast 1000 core and have 2 gigs of gddr5 oh yeah and the 6 video outputs , 5950 - 5870 as 4890-4870 type deal.
Cool

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

I don't think there will ever be a 5950. If there is going to be one, it won't be dual gpu, it'll be either something like the OP or a single GPU with a faster clock like 4890 was to 4870.

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Originally Posted by Ozzfest05

If its true the 5950 will be clock like a beast 1000 core and have 2 gigs of gddr5 oh yeah and the 6 video outputs , 5950 - 5870 as 4890-4870 type deal.
Cool

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why would going from 4870 to 4890 with the 5xxx cards not use the same naming scheme?

everything in the 4800 started with 800 SP
everything in the 5800 started with 1600

they would just call it a 5890, the 5950 would have to be a new core, like 2000SPs (probably still capable of getting the same clocks as a 5870, possibly a little better) and certainly would need to up the ram bandwidth or would be a total waste.

the dual 5850 makes no sense with the current pricing scheme unless the 5970 is $599.

There is no room for a 5970 and 5950 at 400-500 dolllars, especially when the 5870 is 389. If the 5850 was 449 dollars. It would cannibalize 5870 sales and possible 5970 sales.
The only pricing that makes sense at this point with NV at no show at this point is. 389 for the 5870, 499 for the 5950 and 599 for the 5970. The specs of the 5950 have to be heavily crippled to for it to perform significantly different than the 5970.

Or the article is true and the 5850x2 was canceled which would actually make alot of sense

OMG you guys just can't let go!

just because a load of rumours said the dual R870 card is the 5900 series doesn't make it so, like how loads of people believed the Earth was flat and it isn't so.

my guess would be the 5900's are just 1GHz+ R870's and 2 or 4GB of 5 to 6 GHz memory and the six outputs, maybe with some awesome drivers to go with.

I dont believe this at all for a second. Fail!

IMO,

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/331/bsaa2.jpg

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

OMG you guys just can't let go!

just because a load of rumours said the dual R870 card is the 5900 series doesn't make it so, like how loads of people believed the Earth was flat and it isn't so.

my guess would be the 5900's are just 1GHz+ R870's and 2 or 4GB of 5 to 6 GHz memory and the six outputs, maybe with some awesome drivers to go with.

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It's actualy not a rumour. (:clap: for google cache) link
last line :up:
{“ ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series ,EG HEMLOCK XT , 689C”}

But we will know for sure coming monday (Nov. 09) when the HD5970 will be released

I think theres still going to be a HD5950, I mean what is that picture from HWC? Just a bunch of confusion with all the different ES's - the final HD5770 didn't end up looking like the pics from Chiphell. Someone said the HD5950 would be the name of the HD5870 Six, and coupled with the gpu-z shot of 2x1600 shaders @ 725/1000, it's now rumor city.

http://i34.tinypic.com/j9luut.jpg

In the OpenCL beta driver are 2 device id' for the HD5900 series:
"ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series" = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_689C
"ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series " = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_689D

VEN_1002&DEV_689C = HEMLOCK XT

If you look at the GPU-Z shot you mentioned you will see dev. id. 689C

There is some logic in the AMD/ATI device id naming. Normally the higer the last id digit the lower the core:
{ “ ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series ,RV770 XT , 9440”}
{ “ ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series ,RV770 PRO , 9442”}
{ “ ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series ,RV770 LE , 944C”}

So "ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series " = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_689D = HEMLOCK PRO?

689D could be hemlock pro, since it's looking like 689c is hemlock xt. BUT, who says that gpuz read that bios and correctly identified any of the following:
689C dev id, 1600sp shader count, 725/1000 core/mem clocks.

IMO 689C will come with a full-cover cooling shroud that looks like the 5870 & 5850, be hemlock XT, have 2gb total memory, core clock of somewhere between 850-950mhz, and memory of around 1200-1250. 689D dev id will be 5950, 1440sp shader x 2, have a duo-orb w/ partial shroud style cooling, be hemlock Pro, 2gb memory @ 725/1000.
IMO, 5870 Six will have a different dev id and a different product name.

People make the argument that they had to lower clocks of the memory and core to reduce the (completely rumored) 375w tdp to < 300w. But clockspeeds don't make anywhere near the impact on power draw that memory & core voltages do. Meh, no one is sure. I'm still hoping for 3 different parts, a 5970, 5950, and 5870six.

Assume there is only one X2, the 5970, and it's clocked at 725/1000. People will be OCing that sucker to 1050/1300 anyway.

edit: hey blob, where did you hear Nov. 9th as release date? Last i heard was Nov. 19th, but it was Oct. 23rd before that, so no telling.

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

OMG you guys just can't let go!

just because a load of rumours said the dual R870 card is the 5900 series doesn't make it so, like how loads of people believed the Earth was flat and it isn't so.

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Nope, it is because better sources than this, i.e. I heard about Hemlock = 59x0 back on the 6th August, have already confirmed this naming scheme. I have much more faith in that source than some anymous source with no track record that I know of.

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Originally Posted by jaredpace

689D could be hemlock pro, since it's looking like 689c is hemlock xt. BUT, who says that gpuz read that bios and correctly identified any of the following:
689C dev id, 1600sp shader count, 725/1000 core/mem clocks.

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GPU-Z reads the device id correctly. Shadercount/ROP's are derived from a database. Core/mem freq i don't know

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IMO 689C will come with a full-cover cooling shroud that looks like the 5870 & 5850, be hemlock XT, have 2gb total memory, core clock of somewhere between 850-950mhz, and memory of around 1200-1250. 689D dev id will be 5950, 1440sp shader x 2, have a duo-orb w/ partial shroud style cooling, be hemlock Pro, 2gb memory @ 725/1000.
IMO, 5870 Six will have a different dev id and a different product name.

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Like this?
http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/...647501-150.jpg

The name for the 5870 six = HD5870 Eyefinity(6) Edition

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People make the argument that they had to lower clocks of the memory and core to reduce the (completely rumored) 375w tdp to < 300w. But clockspeeds don't make anywhere near the impact on power draw that memory & core voltages do. Meh, no one is sure. I'm still hoping for 3 different parts, a 5970, 5950, and 5870six.

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The card used here has the initial cooler which was also seen on the first hemlock pictures on chiphell. I guess it's an early engineering sample so core and mem speeds are not final.

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edit: hey blob, where did you hear Nov. 9th as release date? Last i heard was Nov. 19th, but it was Oct. 23rd before that, so no telling.

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

OMG you guys just can't let go!

just because a load of rumours said the dual R870 card is the 5900 series doesn't make it so, like how loads of people believed the Earth was flat and it isn't so.

my guess would be the 5900's are just 1GHz+ R870's and 2 or 4GB of 5 to 6 GHz memory and the six outputs, maybe with some awesome drivers to go with.

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The pricing of the 5900 hundred series doesn't make sense and never will if they are single gpu. Basically hemlock is supposed to be priced at 500 or more. The 5870 eyefinity edition is supposed to be priced at $449 where does that place the 5900 series to be priced if they are single chip GPUs? Heck even the 5870 eyefinity pricing doesn't make sense when it is priced so closely to hemlock.

Additionally if the 5900 was just a higher clocked rv870, it would be somewhat guilty of the renaming tactic that NV does because its just an overclocked rv870 and thus does not deserve an entirely new name. 5890 is a fine name if AMD wants to release a higher clocked rv870. But even that would be somewhat unneeded as I can imagine with some more mature cores and a good cooler, I can imagine overclocked editions of the rv870 reaching 1000mhz.

I seriously hope you're wrong tajoh.

5870 6 edition with 500$ price is not an acceptable deal.

I'm waiting for this one, if they include 2Go of GDDR5 and a custom cooler, i may buy one, but it's clearly not cheap. And the 5970 with 2 GPU will be only 50-100$ more. I don't care about 2 GPU, honestly i want only one. And the 6 edition is very sexy.

I'll buy one and wait for the 6 edition samsung screen systems 22" or 24". I'm sure i'm not alone here about that.

to up the price that much, i hope the 5870 "6" would have some higher binned chips and see a little higher clocks. adding just a few ports and 1GB more of ram does not seem to be worth a 25% price jump

With current pricing and the fact 5970 is a cutdown dual gpu solution as is, there is no room for a dual 5850. It would cannibalize the market. How can anyone think that they can sell a dual 5850 for the same price as 5870. IT JUST ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN!!:shakes:

Quite possibly there could be a dual 5770 gpu, and this is the only real option available. In fact I believe this is the best option. A 5770X2 for 230-250$ sounds really TASTY. Hell even a 5750X2 for 200$ sounds awesome.:up:

Im not buying this... it doesnt make any sense in any way.

ATI only ever made one model for their X2 cards.. the 4850X2 was a 3rd party design.

It would be silly to have 5950 = 6 display 5870 and 5970 = 5870X2, IMO they should keep the X2 in the model number always.

Thats hella weird naming.. those guys at Ati on drugs?
HD5876 & HD5870 X2 would be more logical

What a shame. Bad news :(

Nothing is official yet

thx for the headsup blob :toast:

whats all this speculation about then?
its so simple, yet all those speculations and rumors make it sound really confusing and messy...

59xx (dual rv870)
5870 eyefinity
5870
5850
5770
5750

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Originally Posted by blob

It's actualy not a rumour. (:clap: for google cache) link
last line :up:
{“ ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series ,EG HEMLOCK XT , 689C”}

But we will know for sure coming monday (Nov. 09) when the HD5970 will be released

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bottom line is the price, I used to be an nvidia guy, then i felt like not getting raped anymore every time I went to upgrade.

ati is thinking outside the box and produces a better quality product. cards last longer too.

have never had a complaint about amd.

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Originally Posted by Gnarkill9800

bottom line is the price, I used to be an nvidia guy, then i felt like not getting raped anymore every time I went to upgrade.

ati is thinking outside the box and produces a better quality product. cards last longer too.

have never had a complaint about amd.

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+1 :yepp:

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Originally Posted by blob

GPU-Z reads the device id correctly. Shadercount/ROP's are derived from a database. Core/mem freq i don't know



Like this?
http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/...647501-150.jpg

The name for the 5870 six = HD5870 Eyefinity(6) Edition


The card used here has the initial cooler which was also seen on the first hemlock pictures on chiphell. I guess it's an early engineering sample so core and mem speeds are not final.


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Yah I agree, that image in your picture is a final 5970

the initial cooler in the abt, tipidpc, hwc, and chiphell photos is the ES design. By November 09 on tweakers i think CJ means November 2009 cause the other estimates say Q1 10 and Q2 10 where the '10' refers to the year. But hopefully it is November 9th! :)

Gpuz reads the clocks from the card, you know if you oc and reopen the util, it reads the new clocks accurately. You're right about reading shader count from a DB which means Wizzard has set 689C as Hemlock XT

Still no telling on exactly what the 5950 will be, and people seem to be divided over it. I agree the six miniDP 5870 will be called the eyefinity6 edition.

If there is no 5950, what do you think the Duo-orb card is in the HWC pics?

I do believe there will be a 5950 but I don't see how it could be a hemlock part unless it is at 499 and the 5970 is at 549-599 as there is no room price wise on the current line up to have both a 5950/70 and keep the top model at $499. However I don't see AMD setting an MSRP higher than $499 USD for their top part in the current market. Sure they *could* do it as there is no competition but as far as would they is another story all together.

Yes I know we have the marketing slide showing hemlock as high end at < $499 but it still leaves us with the question of "What in the hell is the 5950?"

Now to me this would be feasible but I still don't see it happening so this is strictly for kicks. I believe it could be possible to have a 2880SP 5950 card at slightly lower clocks than the 3200SP 5970. Again though my mentioned pricing information would have to apply to fit it in. The line up (on a scale of price / performance ) would clearly be 5750 -> 5770 -> 5850 -> 5870 -> 5870 eyefinity ( assumed to be 2GB to accommodate the high resolutions ) -> 5950 -> 5970 ( I don't expect either to be 2x2048vram but 2x1024 just like the previous 4870x2 )

Now unless that duo orb type cooler was strictly an ES for 5970 ( which I don't know if that was the ES cooler you are meaning? ) there should still be the possibility of a 5950. However I don't agree that we need one. If AIBs want to do one, all the power to them but personally I don't see it happening again for market placement / price issues.

5870x2 waterblock coming soon... :)

http://www.dangerden.com/Press-Relea...0x2-block.html

This would be perfect for 5950

5770X2 FTW
950mhz
1gbX2 1250mhz DDR5

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Originally Posted by jaredpace

By November 09 on tweakers i think CJ means November 2009 cause the other estimates say Q1 10 and Q2 10 where the '10' refers to the year. But hopefully it is November 9th! :)

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You're right, my mistake. It's november 2009, no specific date mentioned.

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If there is no 5950, what do you think the Duo-orb card is in the HWC pics?

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I agree with HWC:
"We can be fairly cetain that this is not the ATI OEM spec, but rather a particular manufacturer’s unique cooling option"

Up to now the names HD5970 and HD5950 aren't mentioned bij AMD/ATI (please correct me if i'm wrong). AMD/ATI uses 5900 series.
We know there is a Hemlock XT
We know there are 2 device id's for the 5900 series.
I think it would make sense if the second 5900 would be a hemlock XT eyefinity (you will need all the graphic power you can get to drive 6 displays).
A comment made by CJ would/could point in that direction.
He made a comment about hemlock xt pricing:
Hemlock xt would be below 500$ because there was an other unannounced product in that price range:eek:

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Originally Posted by blob

I think it would make sense if the second 5900 would be a hemlock XT eyefinity (you will need all the graphic power you can get to drive 6 displays).
A comment made by CJ would/could point in that direction.

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Eyefinity six has only 1 gpu with 2GB video memory and six mini-DP, Hemlock has two GPU with dual DVI-D and 1 mini-DP for a total of 3 outputs. IMO the eyefinity6 is of a different series or a model all its own, and 689C and 689C are both 5900/Hemlock.

Eyefinity6:
http://i34.tinypic.com/29e697c.jpghttp://i37.tinypic.com/14vl76f.jpghttp://i35.tinypic.com/205uzjq.jpg

5900:
http://i33.tinypic.com/1215vo9.jpghttp://i37.tinypic.com/2ywzn90.jpghttp://i33.tinypic.com/2vv8led.jpg

The eyefinity pictures floating around on the net are indeed a singlecore model.

Apparently every HD5XXX core is capable of driving 6 displays
Cypress:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video...rv870_simd.png

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video..._eyefinity.png

Juniper:
http://benchmarkreviews.com/images/r...tecture_01.jpg

So the only differance should be in the PCB design

I think eyefinity is more like the old ATI's all in wonder, so I think there will be several HD5XXX eyefinity models

For instance:
59X0 (Hemlock) eyefinity
59X0 (Hemlock)
5870 (Cypress) eyefinity
5870 (Cypress)
5850 (Cypress)
5770 (Juniper)
5750 (Juniper)
54X0 (Cedar) eyefinity
54X0 (Cedar)

It has been stated all along that all Evergreen could run up to 6 displays, the only problem being number of ports on the cards.

I'm getting the feeling that we might not see the Hemlock XT surface first but the 5950 with dual 5850s and the 725/1000 clock that has been floating around. Why? Because ATI wants something to launch when Fermi is launching even though the 5950 should beat it also. It has also a lot of other pro's like giving time for the other cards to get a slight price drop before releasing 5970, more time to build up stock, more time for driver development and so on.

http://img5.pcpop.com/ProductImages/.../002260977.jpg

http://img5.pcpop.com/ProductImages/.../002261005.jpg

Nice picture now we can clearly see that the Radeon HD 5870 got some improvements on the 6 edition.

It's clear, it's not the same ram on the 6 edition. That should be 2Go GDDR5 onboard. On left a capacitor is bigger on the 6 edition. On right top next to a capacitor a ship doesnt exist on 6 edition. On left down the same ship is implanted only on the 6 edition. I think it's a power ship. Power ships implanted next to the digital power processor are a bit bigger on 6 edition.

And a lot more of change, but most significant is the two 3x2 pins connectors on HD5870 and one 2x4 + 2x3 on the HD5870 6 edition. The 2Go should be a bit more power hungry.

And i add an other interresting difference;

On the back the 6 edition got a fan connector, and with this fan connector i don't think you can add the black metal plate like on the HD5870 standard edition.


And on back under the black metal plate on standard edition, we can't see other memory chip, like on 6 edition.

My mind is that the 6 edition was older to the standard, and they simplified it to standard for large production.

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Originally Posted by marten_larsson

It has been stated all along that all Evergreen could run up to 6 displays, the only problem being number of ports on the cards.

I'm getting the feeling that we might not see the Hemlock XT surface first but the 5950 with dual 5850s and the 725/1000 clock that has been floating around. Why? Because ATI wants something to launch when Fermi is launching even though the 5950 should beat it also. It has also a lot of other pro's like giving time for the other cards to get a slight price drop before releasing 5970, more time to build up stock, more time for driver development and so on.

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On the other hand, they could prefer to launch the Hemlock XT part now from a commercial POV.

If Fermi and Hemlock XT are launched at the same time, and Cypress < Fermi < Hemlock (most probable IMO), some of the people who are buying an enthusiast product would go to the higher performance route (HD5900) and some people would go to the single GPU higher performance route (GTX300).

Now, if they launch Hemlock XT a few months sooner than Fermi, I think a good part of this people would buy it. Then, when Fermi is released, few people with a Hemlock XT card would go back to a single GPU (but lesser performant) GTX300. So it could be better for them to launch Hemlock XT now instead of waiting to have a competitor.

And of course, if NVIDIA ends up launching a dual Fermi solution (I guess they will or not depending on power consumption) that is more performant than Hemlock XT, it would be much better for AMD to have launched their own a few months before, and every sale they could before that card is on the market. But probably if they launch a dual Fermi card, it will be severely crippled to adjust to the 300W max load power, so it may end up being equal, worse or better performant than Hemlock XT.

The worst part about selling Hemlock XT now, is that if TSMC is having problems supplying enough Cypress chips for the current HD5800 series, then start selling cards with 2x chips per card instead of 1... Anyway, I suppose Hemlock cards are going to sell much less units than Cypress (and those much less than Juniper) so maybe that is not a problem at all.

Great pictures, mindfury! have any more? Yes there is 2GB on the Six edition, and 8pin + 6pin, no backplate, and the IC's are still 1250mhz samsung.

Thank you mindfury

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Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo

This would be perfect for 5950

5770X2 FTW
950mhz
1gbX2 1250mhz DDR5

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$399 ...?