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Epic fail if true.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15939/1/
Epic fail if true.
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Originally Posted by terrace215
More guesswork on fud's side..:shakes: .He believes it's "very unlikely for AMD to have production silicon that early".Move along.Quote:
GlobalFoundries will be ready to manufacture these CPUs as of second part of 2010 but it’s the AMD that they will have to wait, as it’s very unlikely that they will have production silicon that early.
im lost
GF makes the silicon right? not AMD?Quote:
GlobalFoundries will be ready to manufacture these CPUs as of second part of 2010 but it’s the AMD that they will have to wait, as it’s very unlikely that they will have production silicon that early.
Bad news if true... Very bad...
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Originally Posted by zalbard
AMD is doing very well in every other aspect of their business, but they can't catch a break with CPUs. They have top GPUs, with better to come in 2010, awesome chipsets, good server CPUs and platforms on the way, and even got the contract for the next XBox GPU. Global Foundries is even getting good contracts left and right.
Hopefully this is one of Fuad's daydreaming kind of news.
That would certainly hurt AMD's CPU position nearly lethally.
Lethally? Not sure, depends on pricing.
But high end would be certainly waaaaay out of reach.
Yeah, his English is not the best, and he garbled it, but I think he's trying to say that AMD won't be ready with the design in time. Or, possibly, that if GloFo is just getting 32nm going in H2 10, one would expect at least a year from first silicon to production for a new CPU arch. There's a lot of verification work, a few respins, ... even 18 months would not be out of the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
It would help if he mentioned/cited a source for this claim, though
I think it's good,because PhenomIII can have a whole year of sale's and they would have a little more time to work with 32nm.
nothing new really...
thats what amds message of their recently leaked/published roadmaps was... "we still dont have bulldozer, BUT we will have..."
fud's fairy tale
Good!? Istanbul already uses more silicon than a Nehalem (346mm˛ vs 263mm˛) for slightly worse performance. Thuban is basically just a desktop version of Istanbul, so if this is true then it means that the only chip AMD have for the next two years is slightly less profitable and slightly lower performing than what Intel has now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell Hound
If they don't have Bulldozer ready within a year then they will inevitably have to cut prices to compete against the even smaller, cheaper and faster Westmere/Nehalem-C and I'm not certain they will be able to turn a profit.
The new revised Phenom will be based on 32nmQuote:
Originally Posted by >HyperlogiK<
They won't make a 32nm K10 shrink, and I think that the Phenom name will disappear with the Bulldozer family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
The Thuban will be Phenom II X6.
...and Lynnfield's die size is 296 mm2.Quote:
Originally Posted by >HyperlogiK<
First of all this is Fud's guesswork as usual,note the words he uses as i pointed out in my previous post. Second,AMD will make 32nm 10h MPU and this is the one that will be the basis of Llano(Fusion part).
This entire thread is based off nothing but rumor and speculation. Does anyone here even have half a clue what they are talking about?
We all bash Fudo for pulling this kind of stuff out of his ass, but then turn around and do the same exact thing. None of us have any real clue if phenom III even exists, yet we have several people here stating specs and release dates as if they were hard facts. And as for Bulldozer, that's still the biggest mystery of all and I really don't think that anyone except AMD themselves has any real information about it's release or what to expect from it.
i reaally dont think this article is true. now all of their money can be focused on architecture. dresdenboy has given us some nice info on it and it looks impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechromancer
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Originally Posted by EnJoY
bulldoze me now!
how much bs have they gotten out this month ?
With an increase in rumors and predictions floating around, what I think XS needs is a "Xtreme Rumor Mill" section that separates, fud, inq, semiaccurate and other rumors from actual news where you are also allowed to speculate how much you want. At least I've noticed a very noticable amount increase in rumors since I joined this forum in 2005. I don't think these "rumors"/speculations should be forbidden to post (as they can create interesting conversations) but it should be in an own section, this way news section would get more readerfriendly without the usual spam and doubtful fud source comments and look a lot more cleaner.
In fact I'm going to forward this opinion to Charles or create a post in the forum comments section in case mods miss this post.
EDIT: Please state your opinion in this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=236640
Wonder why FUD used symbols H2 2011.
Something like Q3 2022 would have made the news even worse.
Q3 2022 wouldn't make any sense. We'll all die at the end of 2012 as everyone knows :D
It should honestly be against the rules to post FUD. :shakes:
The fact that these fabricators of news get hits as a result of being linked here is sickening. They deserve to go out of business is what they deserve. :up:
Great slogan! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by OpTiX
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Originally Posted by Sly Fox
i don't think AMD would be dragging and wandering this time round. Since they've learn a very good lesson in K10 chip
I would not be surprised if FUD is right for once. Bulldozer seems way too big a change to launch a cpu shrink. AMD would probably shrink phenom.
Um, no. Now they pay GloFo to make each wafer for them. The costs didn't magically go away, it's just that instead of process R&D and equipment capital, they now pay per part, like they pay TMSC to fab GPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chumbucket843
12-18 months would be typical from first silicon to production launch for a new CPU architecture. We've yet to see first silicon... has AMD said when they expect to have it back?
I dont think so, usualy after reading a few of these things you can usualy paint somewhat of a picture of whats going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
Recently Fuad and Charlie have been posting some pretty accurate leaks. Their sensationalistic analysis leaves a great deal to be desired, but the news element of their reporting has been fairly reliable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
We know that for years already.Quote:
Originally Posted by shawmanus
As well as we know that Bulldozer 32nm is going to be due in 2011.
No. I put it this way:
As well as we know that Bulldozer 32nm is going to be due in 2011.
Why, WHY to talk about that much!?
We talked about AMD roadmaps here. we know that it is going to be phenom 6 cores shrink, it is going to be bulldozer 45hm production start in the end of 2010, It is going to be bulldozer 32nm after.
A while ago here was talk about this news:
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At the most recent conference call with financial analysts AMD’s president and chief operating officer Dirk Meyer said that the next-generation micro-architecture and processors on its base code-named Bulldozer were in development with first samples due in 2009. What Mr. Meyer did not say is when the final central processing units (CPUs) were scheduled to arrive, a piece of information that both analysts and investors are curious to know.
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Ooops, forgot to paste important piece:
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“The Bulldozer core is in development in 45nm [process] technology and we will be sampling that in 2009,” Mr. Meyer told the audience.
I think this is exactly right. The latest AMD desktop roadmap (Sept 2009) introduces a processor 'Zambezi' at 32nm, ≥4 cores, DDR3, and AM3r2. I believe that 'Zambezi' is the 32nm HKMG shrink of Deneb, not the Orochi cored monster that various sites have reported. The Orochi core is too important for AMD to botch it on a new, untested process.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by shawmanus
Fuad is the computer hardware journalistic equivalent of a tabloid magazine. Makes sense, he was cultivated at The Inquirer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
exactly!:up: Fudzilla is only a boulvare magazine :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
I know this: Phenom from 1Q/2Q 2010 is revision D --> name Phenom III (rev B was Phenom, revison C are Phenoms II).
I think, Zambezzi is project Bulldozer and first chip core from family. K10 are stars, Zambezzi is not 100% a star;)
The revision doesn't have any direct influence to the naming. So the rev. D will be Phenom II as the rev. C.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
rev. B - K10 (Phenom)
rev. C - K10.5 (Phenom II)
rev. D - K10.5 (Phenom II)
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Originally Posted by Sly Fox
do they earn money on ads with "crap info"?
Phenom III is D, u will see:cool: (it will not only small change)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
No, Zambezi is not a star. However, Llano is not a star either and it's known to be a 32nm shrink of Deneb. Zambezi and Llano are both names of rivers, one in Africa and one in Texas, US.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Llano is 100% Deneb core with graphics, but Zambezi is new architecture
Llano is 10h,Zambezi is an "Orochi" until AMD say otherwise(should be soon-at Analyst Day in November).Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverRicer
Sorry but I don't believe it. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Revision D is already exists and called Istanbul (rev. D0). Istanbul is Deneb + 2 cores nothing more nothing less. Thuban will be the same die as Istanbul with some minor changes (like C2->C3) and maybe it will be the revision D2. Some erratas will be fixed and better scaling. So I think that the Phenom III naming would be so stupid and illogical for only three or four six-core modell.
for marketing reasons i could see the calling int PIII. nothing wrong with making sure people know its the newest, since most still translate newer as faster, more commonly than higher number meaning faster
Olivera:yes, its true, but it is not all...,-)
Maybe. Depends one what "second half of 2010" means. July is :up: December is :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by god_43