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1120 shaders and 56 ROPs so it's true... damn that card is insane... Now I want someone to confirm prices
Wow 1120 SP's and 56 ROPs? That's going to be an awesome price/perf card
Dam, look at what that tiny thing can do. impressive...
Look at the size of that core! Harvested RV870 cores I take it? Should be a nice powerful midrange card and give AMD a nice $300-150 product portfolio.
Nice, I wanna see how well the 5770 overclocks :), might be my next card.
As far as I know "RV870" cores are close to a perfect square... So I don't think it's harvested this is more vertical. But wasn't this card "Juniper" rumored to be 180mm2? Comparing the core to memory chips it does look 180mm2-ish unless my eyes are playing a trick on me? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
Looking forward to this card, now AMD price this thing "right". HD5850 already has a low price point, hoping $149 for HD5750!
Performance doesn't look that impressive compared to the 4770.
I belive that was the 5750 in the benchmark, hopefully the 5770 has a pretty decent jump in performance. *crossing fingers*Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
Yeah, but for $150 it has to be beating GTX 260 Core 216 and HD4870. Good price for this would be $100-125.Quote:
Originally Posted by froste
Very true, $100 and $150 would a smoking deal... I guess they're trying to sell the DX11 and other new features, not just the performance
tmu man, 56 tmu..Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
Did you look at the link?Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
$199 and $149 in less than two weeks...
And yes it is Juniper- ~181mm2, someone estimated ~183mm2 w/ IHS.
Edit- Good sign for a 5890, there could be more in Cypress than what we have seen.
how reliable is this place (or this guy) they dont know how to bench vantage
i really dont like this 2 dvi, DP and hdmi.
I did not look at the link. I deleted my post as useless after I checked the link. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
What I like most about this is cheap DX11 cards for teh people! Also nvidia seems like it's gonna offer a bit lower-end (read midrange cuz of cost issues) solutions for GT300 arch. So I think DX11 support/transition will be a lot more smooth than DX10. Couple that with a successful Windows 7 launch and I think we will start seeing DX11 supported games in quite large quantities rather quickly.
its juniper, not cypress...Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
yeah... makes some sense, but i agree, 150$ is too high considering this is the 5750 and not even 5770...Quote:
Originally Posted by froste
first impression:
EEEEWWWwwwWwwWWWWWwww!!!! god that heatsink sucks!
second impression:
nice little card... but half a slot exhaust, meh... and dualslot... why?
third impression:
synthetic performance is nice, a 4850 with dx11 basically... wonder how well retail cards will clock and how actual game performance will be...
125$ would be a killer price, but 150$ is... acceptable...
Not 4850... more like 4870.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
lol. they erased device-id field in gpuz, but same device-id was printed in GPU field.
Ok, ok I stand corrected:DQuote:
Originally Posted by IDANPE
I have to agree on this...Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
HD4770: 640 Shaders, 32 tmus, 750mhz GPU, 800mhz GDDR5 @ 128-bit
HD5750: 1120 shaders, 56 tmus, 700mhz GPU, 1150mhz GDDR5 @ 128-bit
Anyone else think that this has to be early driver issues? There is no way I can believe these synthetics are anywhere close to it's true performance, also the CPU used was a Dual-Core downclocked to 2GHz? I meen it's also competing against GTX260 and GTX275.
HD5000 isn't scaling as it should... coult it be driver issues or something going on with the architecture reaching it's limit?
sucky performance hope they improve it and 128 bit bus is ghey u put so much things into this card and then limit it to 128 bit lol way to go ati....
Im guessing there is a 5750x2 on the way too, right?
GDDR5Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
Indeed, still has a decent chunk of banwidth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
noo nvidia said that ati's new mid/low range will be unchallenged for months!!maybe not till tne end of H1 :(Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
hmmmmm yes thats even more obvious than the 5870 to 4890 comparison...Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
and then compare the 5750 to the 5850 and 5870... again there seems to be no real scaling from adding more blocks... :confused:
really weird...
could it be that the reworked dx11 cores are slower per clock than the previous ones? they must be notably slower though...
i mean the 5750 is almost double the 4770 in specs...
My bet is driver issues and possibly that underclocked CPU... atleast I hope so. Waiting proper reviews, if this thing really is this bad it's a HD5850 for me...Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Better specs than expected, a GPU like that can beat any RV770.
i think that was 5750 benchmarkQuote:
Originally Posted by froste
Nice =)
But what about pricing?
So 5770 will have similar performance like 4870? :) I like this :D
Between HD4870 and HD4890. Sometimes more, sometimes less.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMpiR
Without AF there should be a really nice performance boost due to memory bandwidth bottleneck. AF is quite bandwidth heavy, so without it the perf should go up very nicely. On the other hand, the performance is going to "crawl" with AF. Again, depending on the rest of the hardware, game and actual situation in the game.
still not enough i expected 192 bit at least damn this card has some fine specs :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
Someone should do a table with a few games which shows the performance with different amounts of memory bandwidth.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
But meh, I guess it all comes down to guessing how "bandwidth starved" the card is. E.g. "128-bit bus" -> "Ok it sucks!". :rolleyes:
cant be THAT much of a diff tbh cos honestly wasn't ati like 90% ready for dx11 anyways ?? and its pretty much the "same" core in a nutshell :/ so imo it should perfeorm vaguely the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
im oits the cpu.. who downclocks to 2ghz .. when most people benching with i7's at 4~4.2
Something is definitely off with that performance, but the specs are not bad at all.
Still, for $199 on the 5770, you mind as well spend $60 more and get 1GB DDR5, and double the bandwidth. Have a feeling most 577x cards are going to be 512MB
CPU is not underclocked..... its just Speedstep on an e8400 bumps it down to 6x333 @ stock idle
ahh my bad. well still just odd benches. i still put it down to his setup till i see some more reputable source benching the cardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Miwo
anyone else wondering what kind of idle/max power this will use?
Is there any chance 4770 will have a larger memory interface? seems like these cards could be a perfect replacement for my gtx260's i'd just be a little bit worried about memory bandwidth limitations.
Guys, this is Cypress, not Juniper, the 57's are bad cypress cores.
hence why I'm hoping that the SP unlocker will work with the 57's, 5870 power for $150 :D
the chip looks very tiny, no way its unlockable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helloworld_98
No, this is Juniper, a different die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helloworld_98
There won't be any "limitations" on this card in games... It has higher bandwidth than HD4770 and HD4850 so it should do ok...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiggy McShades
Can't wait for real proper reviews to show up, something is wrong with this. There is no way it performs this bad with those kinds of specs.
it looks like alot of the 5xxx cards are under performing, i wonder if they have too much stuff and just need higher frequencys
it's probably the drivers, and by Q2 2010 we'll probably see a 20 to 30% performance increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Whats the performance difference between this and a 5850
yeah im not impressed with the performance relative to the amount of change. i could either buy a 5850 for 260+$, or a second 4850 for 100$ and be just as happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helloworld_98
Should be something like 10-15W idle, 50W load.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
50W load wouldnt need any PCIe connector at all would it?Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
I just want to show that the 5750 was not tested under the same platform. Check the '06 scores and the system details in the screenshots.
5750.... 4GB ram, Windows 7, E8400 3Ghz.
http://www.mymypc.com/images/vga/mymypc-hd5750-5.jpg
GTS 250 ... 3 GB ram, windows vista, E8400 3Ghz.
http://www.mymypc.com/images/vga/mymypc-hd5750-11.jpg\
For HD 4770 and 4850 it;s the same setup, 3GB ram, vista, E8400 3 Ghz.
About the results, it outperforms all of them and since it's not the 5770, i think it does well at outperforming all the previous midrange cards, probably trading blows with 4870, though that remains to be seen with proper testing/game results.
The 5770 should be a very interesting card, over 4890/under GTX285, for just 200.
I dont want it for the gaming. I want it for an HTPC. I need a low power card that can do Blu Ray 8.1 audio over HDMI. Simple FTW.
thanks for joining us. not to throw hate at all, but 3dmark06 is horrible at comparing GPUs being so cpu limited, which i think is taking away from how good this card really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Florinmocanu
the review/preview originally linked thought the 5770 would take over for the 4890, which i strongly feel is possible given the difference in sharders and speed. but its hard to believe that with current information showing these cards being quite low. i hope the whole 5000 line get 20% stronger with new cat drivers by end of the year.
Then you'll have to wait a bit more. Redwood is a Q1 product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaldor
Glad to be here :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
I am thinking exactly the same. A card with such good specs is obviously bottlenecked by that stock E8400.
Even a I7 can sometimes bottleneck a single 5870, a core 2 duo at stock surely will bottleneck a 57xx card.
Any idea if this thing is faster than a 4890?
Windows7 64 bit can use the 4GB - Vista 32bit can not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Florinmocanu
Edit: Now I see what you mean. The 5750 Vantage score was taken under Windows7 64bit. The 5750 3DMark06 score under Windows7 64bit and VISTA. All the others in VISTA as GPU-Z states.
5770? I don't think it is. I think maybe 1% faster than a 48701GB. Could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by munim
4890: 800 SPs and 850 Mhz (or 1000 Mhz for some, but i wont count them)Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
5770: 1120 SPs and 750 Mhz
but it gets about half the GB/s on the ram, so i think sometimes it will be right with the 4890, others it will lag behind by 10%ish.
Exactly... Not the ram quantity is the issue, it's just that the comparison uses different test systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by mibo
NP, wont be building it will March at earliest. My E8400 needs to be retired to a HTPC, hehe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ubuntu83
Are we sure the specs quoted in the first page really what the card has? If its true something has to be wrong.
This will be a killer HTPC card...
Lots of misinfo...
The card in the test/bench was a 5750.
5750- 800SPs, 40TMUs, 16ROPs, 128bit, 1150mhz GDDR5 and 700mhz core.
Which it should be performing a bit better than a 4850.
The 5770 is supposedly still a Juniper w/ 1120SPs, 56TMUs and 128bit. I haven't heard any confirmation on clocks but I would guess ~800mhz core and 1200-1250mhz GDDR5.
thats a BIG difference between the two. then i guess the 5750 is doing its job just fine if its really only 800SPsQuote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Yep, performing between a 4850 and 4870 for $149.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
The 5770 is supposedly performing around a 4890, I am guessing between a 4890 and GTX285, for $199.
This chip would have been a total killer if it had a 192bit bus.
I'm sure the card performs great, but just had to post here and express my disgust at how ugly that cooler is :p:
Su
Yeah it is pretty bad, like the coolers that came on the RV740.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumanji
The 5770 has the better looking dual slot rear exhaust cooler that was the reviewer edition for the RV740.
So 5770 is a Juniper but 5750 isn't? What a mess...Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
And 5770 is going to be the only Juniper card then? :confused:
Or am I getting something wrong? (Probably since it's all strange this way... is 5750 a crippled Juniper and then everything fits perfectly in my head? Sorry, I am absolutely thick now...)
This depends alot on the game, settings and the situation in game. We don't really know how much the 128-bit bus will bottleneck the card, and under which settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Using AF will be expensive though, IF the bandwidth is a bottleneck. So there could be some real gains by using 4x or 8x over 16x AF in terms of performance. Sacrificing the IQ of course.
I believe that HD58xx cards are based on Cypress while HD57xx are Juniper. 181mm˛ and 330 mm˛ difference seems quite big for 1120 -> 1600 SPs. ;)
5750 is definitely a Juniper, we see a ~181mm2 IHS under the heatsink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Farinorco
I have seen a couple different people confirm the 5770 is also a Juniper, so until I hear/see different I am going to have to believe them.
IHS? I know what an IHS is, but when did ATI start using them, and why?Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Definitely IHS is not what he meant. :P Didn't someone calculate the Juniper core of HD5750 to be ~183 mm˛ based on the pictures behind the link in first post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodin
Yeah, IHS was a bad choice since they don't use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
Would the package be a better? :p:
When will they release these? Mid November?
i hope you mean pci-e power and not pci-e connector ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Will the 5770 still only require 1 pci-e power connector and have the same length as the 5750 shown? Only asking as I have a mini-itx gaming system and if the 5770 specs are the 1120SPs, 56TMUs and 128bit memory interface with GDDR5 it will be one of my next upgrades. I have a 512MB 4850 right now, but I want something that has some more power, puts out less heat and is not as long as the 4850. The 5750 doesn't seem like I would upgrade to it. I can only think of two reasons and that is heat and size, but I want some more performance.
Regardless whether the HD5770 is the exact card you're looking for or not, it surely is the closest match. So yeah, go for it. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeldoran
Don't bother just saw the date on the provided link. Mid October is really excellent if true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ubuntu83
It is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ubuntu83
Not sure about you guys, but over where i'm at in asia, the distro says we'll have some big news about the 57xx in < 2 weeks.
All cards in those benches are working at x8 PCI-e. Probably doesn´t make a difference but just i wanted to point that out.
ya comes in line with the mid october release :DQuote:
Originally Posted by noinimod
Simon Vivera, the AMD Product Marketing Manager, will give a briefing call to vendors and major retailers in Wednesday. From what I heard, the global NDA on Juniper is lifted on the 13th. So I think that we will see a launch not a long after that....;)
Regarding performance, it is hinted that both cards will come to retail mainly in 1GB GDDR5 versions, and @150 and 200 MSRP prices. Both cards are based on the Juniper die, with 5750 being a harvested version.
If 5770 delivers equal perf to 4890, it will be a killer...I am looking forward to it, thats the price point Im aiming for...:)
Wow, those have very good looks to the value segment. Juniper is beefier than what I thought then, so even the harvested 5750 version looks good (it should have a performance similar to HD4850, with lower power consumption and DX11 support), if the 5870 performs around HD4890 is going to be great. Oh, and 2x 5770 have the same price than a single 5870. If Lucid Hydra works well in the end, with all the hype about scalability and shared rendering being true, having a motherboard with that chip buying 2 or 3 of these could be a very good price/performance option...
That would be a valid argument, but the 4890 is already $200Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante80
Correct, but:Quote:
Originally Posted by Helloworld_98
- DX11
- Eyefinity
- a lot lower power consumption (both in idle and load)
- higher theoretical GPGPU speed (new instructions, more SIMDS)
just of top of my head :)
Oh boy, I feel like getting one of these just for benchmarking. Hopefully Voltmods + some DI = :D:D:D
:)
What Lightman said. I have a 9800GTX to sell since nvidia blocked physΧ in win7, so I'm looking for sth around 200 dollars that is as cool/quiet and energy efficient as possible. 4890 won't cut it. Its either 5770 or a 5850 if I strain the budget...Quote:
Originally Posted by Helloworld_98
Umm... What do you mean by "package"?Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
The grey rectangle is the silicon die (backside of it), there's no "package" the die would be buried in, except maybe a coat of chemically protective lacquer.
And it's roughly 12mm×15mm -> ~180mm˛, likely a few mm˛ more.
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/r...c-hd5750-2.jpg
You can still get PhysX with third patches released by GenL @ NGOHQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante80
Here's the link -----> http://www.ngohq.com/graphic-cards/1...html#post82837
Thanks, I'll give it a look...^^
I don't see why you would need 2x dual-link DVI ports... can't you just get a DVI splitter?
this works with Win 7 64 bit?Quote:
Originally Posted by ubuntu83
This card supports 3 panels simultaneously, in any combination imaginable (clones, one surface, groups, portrait, landscape and sequential displays). I presume that the splitter would compromise some of the options given, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Firestrider
splitter = 1 image to two monitorsQuote:
Originally Posted by Firestrider
2x output's = 1 image for each monitor, so 2 images in total.
I'm not sure which type of connection is being used on an HD 3450 at work but it is able to split a single DVI interface on the card to two DVI monitors for an extended (not cloned) desktop. Is there is less functionality doing this instead of two DVI connections on the card?Quote:
Originally Posted by Helloworld_98
matrox double or triple head2go
Does anybody know how the 57xx will compare to a 8800GT in terms of Power usage and board size?