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Core i7 870, 850 and Core i5 750 coming soon
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Upcoming LGA 1156 Lynnfield desktop SKUs
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Back in June, Intel took the opportunity to share with the industry its focused approach to the naming scheme it will give its Core series processor lineup. Since its inception in the summer of 2006, the Intel Core brand lineup has progressed across several architectures and naming mechanisms all beginning with the same prefix.
Recently, Intel stated that its next generation socket LGA 1366 Bloomfield and LGA 1156 Lynnfield chips would be branded from high-end to entry-level as Core i7, Core i5 and Core i3 respectively. The high-end Core i7 branded chips will share sockets LGA 1366 for the Bloomfield quad-core 8-thread chips and LGA 1156 for the Lynnfield quad-core 8-thread chips. Core i7 Bloomfield chips launched in November use the Core i7 9xx modifier, while Core i7 Lynnfield chips will use the Core i7 8xx modifier.
The Core i5 performance-level brand will share both Lynnfield quad-core 4-thread chips and Clarkdale dual-core 4-thread chips that are yet to be announced. The entire brand will be operating on socket LGA 1156. As for the Core i3 entry-level brand, it will consist of all Clarkdale dual-core 4-thread chips that are yet to be announced. Finally, at the very bottom will be Pentium branded Clarkdale dual-core 2-thread chips running on LGA 1156 that are yet to be announced.
As for the bigger news, there will be three first upcoming LGA 1156 Lynnfield Core i7 and Core i5 desktop SKUs which are yet to be publicly announced by Intel. Sources at PC Watch in Japan state that they will be Core i7 870 2.93GHz, Core i7 860 2.80GHz, and Core i5 750 2.66GHz. All three models operate at a 95w TDP while Core i7 870 and 860 are quad-core 8-thread chips while Core i5 750 is a quad-core 4-thread chip respectively. As expected, the Core i5 version of Lynnfield does not support Simultaneous MultiThreading, and therefore it’s just a 4-thread CPU.
Back in January, we wrote that Intel was also planning to introduce low-power 65w TDP models of the Core i5 Lynnfield processors. This is still true, however, Intel has changed the TDP spec to 82w and plans to make low-power Core i7 chips as well. The first two models will launch in Q1 2010 and will be known as Core i7 860S 2.53GHz and Core i7 750S 2.4GHz.
So basically the two top chips for i5 boards and P55 chipset are gonna be labeled Core i7 because they have hyperthreading?
Yes [that fact we already knew].
The 850 chip will sell well when they EOL the 920.
the big question is how much is the 860 going to cost ( nice to see they support virtualisation tho)
rough estimate $300??
800 series... told you so ;)
also this numbering scheme imply that Linfield will go as far as 3.2 GHz:
860 - 2.8 GHz
870 - 2.93 GHz
880 - 3.06 GHz
890 - 3.2 GHz
I guess 32nm parts will have higher frequency and different nomenclature.
when it comes to prices this sound reasonable:
750 - $224
860 - $266
870 - $316
950 - $5++
975 - $999
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Originally Posted by Yakyb
The mid range Lynnfield [2.8GHz] will be at the same price point as the 920.
i can live with that thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by MomijiTMO
(provided mobo is significantly less expensive i.e.~25% less)
Hmm like 100 at the most for upper market P55s. So is Lynnfield really worth it? Damn you Intel lol, why couldn't you have made Lynnfield 50 bucks cheaper than Bloomfield [920].
Unimpressed.
I was really hoping for sub-$200 models, even if they were non-HT :stick: :horse:
It's comforting to know that we'll finally have cheap(er) motherboards for these. Intel is milking the lack of competition to its chips very well, but then again, as did AMD back in Athlon X2 era :(
Perkam
I wouldn't be surprised if i5 740 @ 2.53 GHz surface for $183... Intel need sub-200$ part to make LGA1156 popular and widespread. Only issue with this theory is that such CPU will make LGA775 platform completely absolute, and Intel still has huge amount of LGA775 chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
I remember the non HT 2.66GHz SKU was said to cost $196 a while ago, whatever this is accurate or not (more like impossible to say at that time as things change all the time) I don't know but I'm expecting between 196 - $225 which is roughly same what I paid (189 EUR) for my E8400 at Penryn launch.
Personally I hope 860 will allow for easier 4.2~4.3GHz (200 - 205 BCLCK) stable clocks on air than 920.
i7 800 series may be interesting because it has lower TDP than i7 900 series (on air /water overclock)
Yes, the Lynnfield w/o HT cost 196$
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+1 :up:.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Because why are they making this new 1156 socket board which is a lil ripped off of functionality(dual channel) over 1366,
if the 1156 cpus are still priced at that level? Intel would'nt have to make another socket, instead they could've just populate the entire s1366 cpu line-up by now.
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I'm glad i haven't done the upgrade for i7 yet, I want that 860.:yepp:
Methinks the core i7 860 will take the bang-for-buck crown. Looking good!
Perhaps not instantly but it might be the next Q6600 that many people have hung onto forever...Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
Yeah well I'm in no hurry so I'll wait for tests. Of course, the 920 could face price rises thanks to etailers in the know. . ..
[Current Q6600 user]
those prices looks fishy... it makes no sense for i7 870 and i7 950 to cost same!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chri$ch
That's because apparently Intel plans to eol the 920 and 950 when 870 and 860 launch or soon after. The Xeons equivalents will still be available though.
I have a feeling that the Xeon 920 equivalents produced after the 920 EOL date will clock worse because the 920 is the best selling bloomfield chip so I'm sure there are lots of chips that were binned for 940/950/965 speeds that were packaged as a 920 because of high demand for 920 and low demand for the higher grades.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomijiTMO
Is the EOL final? I mean the i7 920, 940, and 950, will say goodbye by the time the i7 1156 are released, because of the pricing. And, will this also mean that all of what is going to be left of the i7 1366 is the XE?Quote:
Originally Posted by MomijiTMO
So it seems Intel isolating S1366 just for the high-end? Making much more sense on the 1366-hexa-core path.
Yeah that could happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by HKPolice
Well played Intel. Damn you lol.
No one knows for sure. Bit Tech said yes then no then yes so my guess is as good as yours. This is primarily a server platform and it's obvious that Intel will make more money on Lynnfield than Bloomfield so they are going to push that.Quote:
Originally Posted by labs23
[I'm just a normal dude. I have no knowledge of what is going to happen, that's better left to other guys who have posted info in this thread]
There was no way Gulfy was coming to P55 or P57 anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by labs23
It's originally a Dual 1366 part. But even its 1366 variant I doubt, seeing as Intel doesn't need anything else right now to keep AMD at bay, at least until late 2010 when Bulldozer finally rears its lazy head.
Perkam
if thats correct, is HT worth another $90 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chri$ch
It doesn't even need Gulftown, socket 1156 would have been enough...Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Which means it will be a rather boring period ahead with Intel controlling the desktop CPU market at least. AMD can't slash prices much more either or it will sell CPUs without profit. Bulldozer should have arrived early 2010 TBH. :/
I'm already seeing people buying a Core i5 motherboard with integrated graphics (the video output at least) and a Core i5 Lynnfield (wich has no gpu)...
Huh?
P55 and P57 dont have any FDI so there should be no problem. If you want output for clarkdale buy a H or Q chipset.Quote:
Originally Posted by doompc
@Hornet331, I know that, but try to explain the average guy that a H55 board supports one kind of Core i5 but not another kind of Core i5.
At Computex I heard a lot of people complaining that you won't be able to have a quad core with integrated graphics.
Don't try to argue with them that if you don't need a good GPU you probably won't need a quad core cpu.
The point is that dumb people do this kind of things.
And this new "simple" naming scheme is very confusing. Two completely diferent processors under the same name will cause a lot of trouble.
I thought the Clarkdale will be called Core i3 e the Lynnfield Core i5/i7.
But having Clarkdale and Lynnfield under the Core i5 name just because they have the same thread count is just stupid.
I gotta think the 7-series will be the sweet spot. Isn't the only difference going to be (essentially useless) HT support? I could see 3dmark fiends wanting that but for most people who don't have a need for 8 threads of anything I can't see the 8-series being that popular.
is this confirmed? surely notQuote:
At Computex I heard a lot of people complaining that you won't be able to have a quad core with integrated graphics.
Lynnfield doesn't have integrated GPU like Clarkdale and even if NVIDIA was able to make a chipset for the 1156 platform, it doesn't make sense to put a IGP on the DMI link.
Have you seen the first pics of Clarkdale?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yakyb
There's two chips: one 32nm and on a separate die, the IGP and IMC
at 45nm.Even Clarkdale will only have onboard PCI-e, and no onboard
IGP. Clarkdale will only come in two-core configurations, no quad-core.
Lynnfield won't even have that second chip, it will not have on-die,
neither on-package IGP, the second chip wouldn't even fit under the
IHS as it is now.
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Me, unless some good but very processor-intensive game comes out,
I'll wait for 850, which should be 2.66G 4C/8T, and hopefully closer
to the $200 mark than the $300.
Nice Turbo Boost on Clarksfield... 60 - 77% overclocks. Maybe we soon see the return of Turbo button on our comp cases. :D
Given >4Ghz + is more of a thermal issue for air, unless these run slightly cooler ( doubtfully ) I don't see them exceeding 4 on air. That would be quite optimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
I wish AMD could compete in this segment. The lack of competition is making the market stagnant. Sure gaming wise, PII vs I7 isn't that far apart but in everything else Intel holds a dominating lead. At least it is not as bad as the X2 days ( AMD had a severe monopoly then ) I'm able to stomach the CPU and memory prices at this point but I still think many of these x58 motherboards are way overpriced. I'm also not going to to change sockets over $100 give or take so at that point may as well get the better of the two. I've always spent a fair bit on my boards but Im starting to feel its been a waste as sometimes I feel what more did they really bring to the table.
No one know for sure Intel will discontinue 920 when it launches 860 and 870? Cuz it doesn't make any sense to pay the same price for a lower clock 920 over a 870? Btw, does lower TDP allow better overclocking? Let just hope that the 860 will be the new legendary Q6600. :D
$300 for 8 threads? Dang, i might just look for a second hand Q9550.
Hold on a sec and help me out here please because I have fallen behind on the iCore platform. I am still on a Q9550 @ 4.1Ghz and I was wondering if it is worth it to switch to a iCore 7 920 just before it is phased out.
Is the new socket better/worse? If worse would you buy a 920 now only to have a cheaper entry point on the 1336 platform or would an 850 be a better choice speed wise?
But Core i7 920 won't be phased out until sometime next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by JargonGR
I for one might be tempted to choose an 860 or 870 and a P57 board over a 920 because of Braidwood. If it is out on schedule and if performance is as high as promised i.e. real world performance almost equal to current MLC SSDs when paired with a couple of HDDs in RAID 0 then it might make the P57 platform a better option for more frugal enthusiasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by iTravis
Am I the only one that doesn't like that core i7 is a two-socket platform? Intel really just put out too many too similar chips. Their options were to make all of socket 1156 Core i5, and have Core i5 Lynnfield be very similar in performance to core i7 Nehalam, or to make Lynnfield Core i7 and have Core i7 be on two different platforms. Eww.
it could make a 30% difference with the right software.Quote:
Originally Posted by geo
or more, CFD apps just love HT (~60% more performance between HT on/off)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR