AMD Tigris platform to come in September

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06-25-2009, 01:04 AM
Shintai

AMD Tigris platform to come in September

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-Crappy translation as always-

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According to PC industry, AMD said earlier to the industry platform for the development of more NB direction, September 2 will be released new NB platform performance level "Tigris", will switch to 45-nanometer "Caspian" processor and The new RS880M chipset, not only the performance of processor performance and power consumption further, IGP graphics core also upgraded to Direct X 10.1 and upgraded to the specifications UVD 2.0 version, the attraction increases.

"Capspian" match processor RS880M chipset

AMD Tigris platform in accordance with development plan will be adopted processor, code-named "Capspian" the 45-nanometer processors, including the Sempron M100, Athlon II M300, Turion II M500 and Turion II Ultra M600 series, compared to 65 nm K8 architecture behalf , "Capspian" is based on the Star architecture, support Hyper-Transport 3.0, 128bit FPU width instruction set SSE4A support, to enhance the effectiveness of a degree, and the power performance due to decline in the progress of the process.

The use of new chipsets RS880M, but will switch to graphics core RV620, support Direct X 10.1 and Shader Model 4.1, will effectively enhance the HDR and antialiasing optical power efficiency and reduce the restrictions on AA support, and provide smoother is When the shadow effect, but it is important that joined the Tessellation technical support, the game will be using this technology to reduce the volume of Shader operations to reduce the computing load on the GPU.

Image processing technology was also upgraded to the Unified Video Decoder 2 (UVD2) version, in addition to provide 100% hardware VC-1, H.264 and MPEG-2 Bitstream decoding, the quality of video playback for a number of improvements, added DVD upscaling to HD functions, so that 720 x 480 video or file to 1920 x 1200, and reduce the image fuzzy and loose.

However, AMD "Tigris" platform, while the introduction of new RS880M North Bridge, South Bridge will still be used but the old SB710, until the next generation of "Danube" platform will switch to SB820M South Bridge chip, the additional SATA 6Gb / s support.

PowerPlay 10 version support

In addition to performance improvements, AMD Tigris platform also supports a new version of PowerPlay 10, mainly for the graphics core to include more energy-efficient technologies, new RS880M support Frame Buffer Compression technologies reduce the use of idle memory, IGP core clock and voltage can be adjusted according to demand in order to reduce power consumption by adding UVD video playback mode for an appropriate time clock and voltage adjustments.

In addition, the new RS880M support Varbright and Deep Sleep 2.0 technology, the former is to reduce the backlight color to maintain the same effect, but to energy, while the latter is to reduce the display panel to reduce the update rate of power consumption. And with the specific graphics chip, AMD Tigris platform support PowerXpress, users do not need to restart the system, may need to switch modes and IGP graphics mode.

NB next year's quad-core processor

NB According to the latest AMD platform for planning, will be launched in 2010 a new platform for performance-class "Danube", 45-nanometer process, code-named "Champlain" core with dual-core, three core and quad-core version, additional support for DDR3 memory modules .

RS880M chipset North Bridge chip is still used, but will match the new AMD SB820M South Bridge chip, the additional SATA 6Gb / s support. Drawing will be able to match the chip, code-named "Manhattan" of the Direct X11 graphics.

Will be introduced in 2011 the first-class platform Fusion architecture performance "Sabine", using 32-nanometer process APU, code-named "Liano", has the same dual-core, three core and quad-core version of system-on-chip to cover Hudson, support USB 3.0, SATA 6Gb / s and other functions.

In short. Same "rebranded" 700 series chipset with RV620 IGP with UVD2. DX11 coming sometime in 2010 as a dicrete GPU solution to laptops. And fusion (Think Core i3) comes in 2011 on 32nm. No DX11 or upgraded IGP in the coming future.

2009= 2 cores, 45nm, RS880M/RV620, SB710
20010=2-4 cores, 45nm, RS880M/RV620, SB820M
2011=2-4 cores, 32nm, ?, ? (DX11 most likely).

http://global.hkepc.com/3371
06-25-2009, 01:33 AM
Mats

So the RS880M is pretty much the upcoming desktop model 785G, which used to be called 8xxG? I don't care about IGP performance, but I'd like to see them keeping that PowerXpress feature on desktops as well.
06-25-2009, 06:36 AM
perkam

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Originally Posted by Mats

So the RS880M is pretty much the upcoming desktop model 785G, which used to be called 8xxG? I don't care about IGP performance, but I'd like to see them keeping that PowerXpress feature on desktops as well.

I wouldn't mind that.

780G -> HD 3x00 based -> DX10, 40 Shaders
785G -> HD 4x00 based -> DX10.1, 80 Shaders

Should kick Intel GMA Arse all over the map.

Secondly,

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AMD Tigris platform in accordance with development plan will be adopted processor, code-named "Capspian" the 45-nanometer processors, including the Sempron M100, Athlon II M300, Turion II M500 and Turion II Ultra M600 series, compared to 65 nm K8 architecture behalf , "Capspian" is based on the Star architecture, support Hyper-Transport 3.0, 128bit FPU width instruction set SSE4A support, to enhance the effectiveness of a degree, and the power performance due to decline in the progress of the process.

I was going to invest in an AMD Neo notebook (there were some new ones announced at Computex) but this tells me to wait.

A 45nm Sempron based on Phenom architecture should be very competitive in the value thin and light segment. Again, it should kick Intel Atom arse all over the place :p:

Perkam
06-25-2009, 07:05 AM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by Shintai

In short. Same "rebranded" 700 series chipset with RV620 IGP with UVD2.

as far as I know 780G/790GX aren't DX10.1 IGPs and don't have UVD 2, so how come this can be just "rebranding"?

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DX11 coming sometime in 2010 as a dicrete GPU solution to laptops. And fusion (Think Core i3) comes in 2011 on 32nm. No DX11 or upgraded IGP in the coming future.

As far as we know i3 is 32nm CPU + 45nm GPU connected via PCIe lanes on the LGA package! AMD's hybrid CGPU is 32nm monolithic die... so DON'T THINK i3 :rolleyes:
06-25-2009, 07:15 AM
3NZ0

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Originally Posted by perkam

I wouldn't mind that.

780G -> HD 3x00 based -> DX10, 40 Shaders
785G -> HD 4x00 based -> DX10.1, 80 Shaders

Should kick Intel GMA Arse all over the map.

80 shaders and 10.1 in an igp, very impressive. :clap: That will do far more than kick gma in the arse but it's too graphic to describe on this forum. :D

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Originally Posted by perkam

A 45nm Sempron based on Phenom architecture should be very competitive in the value thin and light segment. Again, it should kick Intel Atom arse all over the place :p:

Perkam

I'll keep my on this, if it can get reasonably close to the low power use of an atom while dealing some major damage then I'm all for it.
06-25-2009, 08:27 AM
MrMojoZ

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

as far as I know 780G/790GX aren't DX10.1 IGPs and don't have UVD 2, so how come this can be just "rebranding"?

As far as we know i3 is 32nm CPU + 45nm GPU connected via PCIe lanes on the LGA package! AMD's hybrid CGPU is 32nm monolithic die... so DON'T THINK i3 :rolleyes:

I'd hope people knew to ignore the comments from the source you quoted at this point.
06-25-2009, 01:02 PM
JohnJohn

Monolithic die or not, i think amd must hurry up with fusion... intel is having its integrated igp-cpu launched this year, is kind of odd, thinking Amd has been talking about fusion for how long now?

Besides i think mcm of cpu + gpu would give better yields than 1 big die. This is very important also thinking the market these thingies are headed
06-25-2009, 01:10 PM
ILikeCosmosS

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Originally Posted by JohnJohn

Monolithic die or not, i think amd must hurry up with fusion... intel is having its integrated igp-cpu launched this year, is kind of odd, thinking Amd has been talking about fusion for how long now?

Besides i think mcm of cpu + gpu would give better yields than 1 big die. This is very important also thinking the market these thingies are headed

but wouldnt amd just get bragging rights?

amd still has a advantage because they wont be using 500 watts like larrabe( cant spell it) and wont consume as much battery life if they were to use something like rv740 or a mainstream chip
06-25-2009, 01:28 PM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by perkam

I wouldn't mind that.

780G -> HD 3x00 based -> DX10, 40 Shaders
785G -> HD 4x00 based -> DX10.1, 80 Shaders

Should kick Intel GMA Arse all over the map.

Perkam

AMD's 785G is only about 5-10% faster than 780G, it does have some new features though and it still kicks GMA's arse all over the map.

One more thing here guys, AMD's first Fusion attempt will not be single die and will feature a MCM package just like Intel will do with Clarkdale.

@ILikeCosmosS - What does Larrabee have to do with Fusion and Clarkdale? They are not directly related or anything like that. Clarkdale will simply have a GMA based IGP.
06-25-2009, 03:45 PM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

as far as I know 780G/790GX aren't DX10.1 IGPs and don't have UVD 2, so how come this can be just "rebranding"?

As far as we know i3 is 32nm CPU + 45nm GPU connected via PCIe lanes on the LGA package! AMD's hybrid CGPU is 32nm monolithic die... so DON'T THINK i3 :rolleyes:

Do some research on your favourite brand. Because 780G/790GX got UVD2. Its 780V that dont.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3258&p=2

And LOL@your native crap talk. Ignorance at a bliss.
06-25-2009, 03:54 PM
eRacer

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Originally Posted by perkam

780G -> HD 3x00 based -> DX10, 40 Shaders
785G -> HD 4x00 based -> DX10.1, 80 Shaders

Where is your source for 80 shaders? Every rumor I've read so far is that "RV620 based" just means adding check-the-box features like DX10.1, not doubling shader count or other improvements which would seriously improve 3D performance.
06-25-2009, 06:51 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by eRacer

Where is your source for 80 shaders? Every rumor I've read so far is that "RV620 based" just means adding check-the-box features like DX10.1, not doubling shader count or other improvements which would seriously improve 3D performance.

First, you can not add DX10.1 to RV620 without changing it to RV720. It would need to be a new architecture.

Second, check any computex article on 785G mobos, they'll mention the fact that it is based on HD 4200, which is an RV720 part.

Perkam
06-25-2009, 10:09 PM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by perkam

First, you can not add DX10.1 to RV620 without changing it to RV720. It would need to be a new architecture.

Second, check any computex article on 785G mobos, they'll mention the fact that it is based on HD 4200, which is an RV720 part.

Perkam

DX10.1 need a different arc. but this can be done by changing the arc. slightly instead of a full new arc. Just ask the people at nvidia :D changing G92 / G200 arc's to support DX10.1 is not as big a problem as coming up with a new arc.
06-25-2009, 11:52 PM
god_43

found another link

http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/...rise-20090625/

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/...__Rumours.html
06-26-2009, 01:25 AM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Do some research on your favourite brand. Because 780G/790GX got UVD2. Its 780V that dont.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3258&p=2

And LOL@your native crap talk. Ignorance at a bliss.

only crap in this thread is your FUD!

780G/790GX DOESN'T HAVE 2.0 UVD tech... just like picture on Anand's article suggests:

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...GIQ/780GNB.jpg

And only ignorant person here is YOU who're trying to present anything coming out from AMD as a crap!

So let me repeat 785G isn't renaming of the 780G it's a new product with the new features!

Core i3 is not a same thing as AMD's Liano... Core i3 is a combination of 32nm CPU and crappy GMA4500@45nm on the same package!

Liano on the other hand is "Fused" CPU and the GPU in the same die...
06-26-2009, 01:31 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

only crap in this thread is your FUD!

780G/790GX DOESN'T HAVE 2.0 UVD tech... just like picture on Anand's article suggests:

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...GIQ/780GNB.jpg

And only ignorant person here is YOU who're trying to present anything coming out from AMD as a crap!

So let me repeat 785G isn't renaming of the 780G it's a new product with the new features!

Core i3 is not a same thing as AMD's Liano... Core i3 is a combination of 32nm CPU and crappy GMA4500@45nm on the same package!

Liano on the other hand is "Fused" CPU and the GPU in the same die...

Reading the link rather than looking on shiny pictures help.

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AMD integrates their Unified Video Decoder 2.0 (UVD 2.0) capabilities into the 780G. UVD 2.0 offers hardware acceleration for decoding VC-1, H.264 (AVC), WMV, and MPEG-2 sources up to 1080p resolutions. Advanced de-interlacing is available when using a Phenom processor. We generally found CPU utilization rates and output quality to be near or equal to that of the HD 3450

And LOL@Your dumb i3 statement....again.

And maybe you need more links:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-78...-ecs-a780gma/2

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Now gaming wise this is not much at all, but the best thing about this integrated GPU is that AMD integrated their Unified Video Decoder 2.0 (UVD 2.0) capabilities into the 780G, and that's golden as UVD 2.0 offers hardware acceleration for decoding VC-1, H.264 (AVC), WMV, and MPEG-2 sources up to 1080p resolutions. Even advanced de-interlacing is available but you do need a Phenom processor for that option.

And dont try and lecture anyone with your AMD diehard fanboism. Specially not when you keep being wrong even on your own favourite brand.
06-26-2009, 02:15 AM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Reading the link rather than looking on shiny pictures help.

Author is wrong!

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And LOL@Your dumb i3 statement....again.

Great argument you have there... dumb*ss

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And maybe you need more links:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-78...-ecs-a780gma/2

Don't need the links... I need the facts.... actually I don't 'cos I have them and it's up to you to think what you wanna think!

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And dont try and lecture anyone with your AMD diehard fanboism. Specially not when you keep being wrong even on your own favourite brand.

:rolleyes:
will get back to this thread when time is right, and you'll eat your words... like so many times in the past...

oh! didn't dr. who told you that you're FUDing about your favorite brand in other thread about what i5 is and is not?? So go one and first get all the fact about your favorite brand, and than get back and lecture me about mine! :shakes:
06-26-2009, 02:29 AM
Helmore

As far as I know AMD's first attempt at 'Fusion' will not be a single die approach, but a similar approach to what Intel is doing with Clarkdale. They will eventually go single die, but that will probably be the second or third attempt/generation.
06-26-2009, 02:57 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

Author is wrong!

Great argument you have there... dumb*ss

Don't need the links... I need the facts.... actually I don't 'cos I have them and it's up to you to think what you wanna think!

:rolleyes:
will get back to this thread when time is right, and you'll eat your words... like so many times in the past...

oh! didn't dr. who told you that you're FUDing about your favorite brand in other thread about what i5 is and is not?? So go one and first get all the fact about your favorite brand, and than get back and lecture me about mine! :shakes:

You know what your posts lack alot of? Oh thats right...backing up your statements ;)

According to you alot of authors and companies must be wrong...
06-26-2009, 03:12 AM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by Shintai

You know what your posts lack alot of? Oh thats right...backing up your statements ;)

According to you alot of authors and companies must be wrong...

all in good times ;)

yes they're wrong!
06-26-2009, 06:48 AM
generics_user

http://www.amd.com/us/products/noteb...set-specs.aspx

the 780G offers neither UVD 2.0 nor DX 10.1 (it's hd 2400 based)

to claim that ES880M offers nothing over the current mobile chipset is false

it's going to offer:

Direct X 10.1
UVD 2.0
Radeon 3450 (40SP) with higher clock
sideport support
40 SPs
780GX performance + better video support

i think that it's going to be a great platform for subnotebooks around 13-14" with some gaming support (right now it's intel + nvidia only)
06-26-2009, 07:01 AM
R101

I want Nedjo/Shintai posts show/hide button at the top of every topic.. This is going out of hand.

Back on topic, what will this compete with? i3?
06-26-2009, 07:28 AM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by generics_user

http://www.amd.com/us/products/noteb...set-specs.aspx

the 780G offers neither UVD 2.0 nor DX 10.1 (it's hd 2400 based)

to claim that ES880M offers nothing over the current mobile chipset is false

it's going to offer:

Direct X 10.1
UVD 2.0
Radeon 3450 (40SP) with higher clock
sideport support
40 SPs
780GX performance + better video support

i think that it's going to be a great platform for subnotebooks around 13-14" with some gaming support (right now it's intel + nvidia only)

the most important thing - this will be THE ONLY WDDM 1.1 capable IGP with the best 4.1 ComputeShaders support under Win7!
06-26-2009, 07:30 AM
Smartidiot89

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Originally Posted by Shintai

According to you alot of authors and companies must be wrong...

I wouldn't call that anyone is wrong - Not even Nedjo.

You can look at it however you want - you could call 785G a "refreshed" product, or something new but that doesn't really matter. 785G is a product very similar to 780G, it has the same core, with a few added features and a higher clock.

Instead of playing a fanboy war lets look at one fact:
785G is aimed for mainstream and is a relatively cheap GPU together with it's platform, and I for one would much rather have it over Intels crap. Yes 785G won't be a monster, like 780G or 790GX in games but atleast it does have some cream in it so that I can play some low-end games and older popular titles, and I can plug it into a 1080p TV and watch movies from it.

Go ahead and call me a stupid fanboy, but I would never buy any product with a Intel IGP in it - ever.
06-26-2009, 07:50 AM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

I wouldn't call that anyone is wrong - Not even Nedjo.

anyone saying that 780G has UVD 2.0 IS wrong, and 785G IS new core.... you can't just add UVD 2.0, and DX10.1 via drivers in to a 780G ;)
06-26-2009, 08:27 AM
Smartidiot89

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

anyone saying that 780G has UVD 2.0 IS wrong, and 785G IS new core.... you can't just add UVD 2.0, and DX10.1 via drivers in to a 780G ;)

Don't start anything with me, did i EVER mention that was just a driver implementation? No I didn't.

I said that 785G is the same core with higher clocks and added features. 785G is still based on R600 that is a fact... If it was a R700 GPU it would've had 80 shader processorers. So it is a R600 GPU with higherclocks and some features added on-die.

But I do fully agree with you calling the 785G a re-branded 780G is wrong, cause it is wrong since it's a reworked die - altough it's still based on R600 40SP core.
06-26-2009, 09:26 AM
perkam

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Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

I said that 785G is the same core with higher clocks and added features. 785G is still based on R600 that is a fact... If it was a R700 GPU it would've had 80 shader processorers. So it is a R600 GPU with higherclocks and some features added on-die.

RV7x0 is RV6x0 with more shaders, a die shrink, efficiency improvements, and new features. So, 780G -> 785G is as big a jump as 3870 -> 4870 in terms of architecture.

AGAIN, read the Computex articles on the 785G, they MENTION that it is based on the HD 4200. Is there a possibility that HD 4200 may have 40 shaders? Yes, but highly unlikely and only possible if ATI wants to have the HD 4300 series with the 80 Shaders. (HD 4300 and HD 4330 already have 80 Shaders).

Think of it this way, the 3870 had 320 Shaders, and the 4670 has 320 shaders. So not all HD 4xx0 cards need to have more shaders than the HD 3xx0 cards for them to be part of the new architecture.

Perkam
06-26-2009, 09:57 AM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

But I do fully agree with you calling the 785G a re-branded 780G is wrong, cause it is wrong since it's a reworked die - altough it's still based on R600 40SP core.

we can argue about architecture origins, and depending on the POV anyone can be right or wrong.

Yeah R600 is the "big daddy" of them all, but each GPU after it had significant changes so it's hard to put them all in the same basket...

eg. R600 didn't have UVD unit, didn't have DX10.1 support, didn't have hardware antialiasing resolve unit... it was heavy shader behemoth... hell only common thing that R600 and RV610 had was "6" in their name ;)
06-26-2009, 11:16 AM
Smartidiot89

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Originally Posted by perkam

RV7x0 is RV6x0 with more shaders, a die shrink, efficiency improvements, and new features. So, 780G -> 785G is as big a jump as 3870 -> 4870 in terms of architecture.

AGAIN, read the Computex articles on the 785G, they MENTION that it is based on the HD 4200. Is there a possibility that HD 4200 may have 40 shaders? Yes, but highly unlikely and only possible if ATI wants to have the HD 4300 series with the 80 Shaders. (HD 4300 and HD 4330 already have 80 Shaders).

Think of it this way, the 3870 had 320 Shaders, and the 4670 has 320 shaders. So not all HD 4xx0 cards need to have more shaders than the HD 3xx0 cards for them to be part of the new architecture.

Perkam

The HD3870(R600) had 8 cores, or "blocks" each containing 40 shader processors, while HD4870(R700) has 10 cores, or "blocks" each containing 80 shader processors.

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

we can argue about architecture origins, and depending on the POV anyone can be right or wrong.

Yeah R600 is the "big daddy" of them all, but each GPU after it had significant changes so it's hard to put them all in the same basket...

eg. R600 didn't have UVD unit, didn't have DX10.1 support, didn't have hardware antialiasing resolve unit... it was heavy shader behemoth... hell only common thing that R600 and RV610 had was "6" in their name ;)

Nvidias new line of mobile GPUs has DX10.1 should we call it GT300?

785G is built upon a R600 deriviation with a few added features, it is not R700 - and yes I know R700 is an architecture built of R600.

It is possible we will see an "R700" IGP built on 40nm, or 32nm which has 1 block of 80 shaders, or possibly they'll skip R700 and go directly for a Evergreen IGP depending on how that architecture is built but I'd guess those blocks would consist of 100 shaders. The issue AMD has now in making a R700 IGP is TDP issues since AMD doesn't want to exceed 15W TDP on their mainstream IGP, so it's better to refresh the current one.
06-26-2009, 11:31 AM
G0ldBr1ck

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Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

The HD3870(R600) had 8 cores, or "blocks" each containing 40 shader processors, while HD4870(R700) has 10 cores, or "blocks" each containing 80 shader processors.

R600/HD2900 and RV670/HD3870 used clusters of 64 shaders if I recall not 40.
06-26-2009, 10:41 PM
Smartidiot89

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Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck

R600/HD2900 and RV670/HD3870 used clusters of 64 shaders if I recall not 40.

Hmm I am quite sure it was 40... I know R700 is 80, but R600 should be 40 considering all the budget cards that was released with 40/80 shaders for desktop.
06-27-2009, 12:57 AM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

Hmm I am quite sure it was 40... I know R700 is 80, but R600 should be 40 considering all the budget cards that was released with 40/80 shaders for desktop.

composition of SPs, and other units on "six" series was quite different to the "seven" series...

here's R600:

http://www.abload.de/img/r_600-arch712m.jpg