It looks like the hydra chip wasn't vaporware after all.
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It looks like the hydra chip wasn't vaporware after all.
http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=7372
Looking forward to some good things out of Hydra... :)
Quite the change from the SLI/CF "fix" and all the other wonders it could do. Maybe not vaporware, but surely hypeware.
Always fun when reality kicks in :D
Ok so when will we mortals have Lucid Hydra on our motherboards? :p:
My sources say between now, and later, although others have stated between now and your death. I leave the choosing to you :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
They still need to generate cash. They should be positioning themselves to license their tech to cardmakers at this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Plug that into a laptop. External GPU's FTW.
But screw this freaking cloud rendering crap!! I hope this OnLive and the like fail hard!!
just because a lot of people can't afford a 'rig' to game with, doesn't mean they should be able to play pc video games. and if this tech does take off, there is no reason you would have to take part. though i can see this "cloud gaming" idea as a huge job oppertunity for those of us that know how to tune a computer to play games. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
back on topic, i too am waiting for the day when i can buy a mobo with a hydra chip onboard. the irony will be discovering that games run best with one ati card and one nvidia card. :p:
"just because a lot of people can't afford a 'rig' to game with, doesn't mean they should be able to play pc video games"
i think u mean to say
just because a lot of people can't afford a 'rig' to game with, doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to play pc video games
:)
finally my dream coming true a external gpu paired with small note book :D
We won't see a HYDRA chip until 6 months after they release DirctX11.
Lucid is probably working on that right now, because currently they are DX9 only. Though, it doesn't matter when, because when it does happen, SLI and XFire will be gone. Near 100% scaling would be too ridiculous to pass up.
so yea, im not buying the hype. maybe good for some specific apps, but i dont see it used for gaming.
The reason OnLive is being pushed is to enforce stricter DRM. It will be a worse experience than playing on a slower PC with medium settings due to the input lag. And it will all but kill off the need for XtremeSystems if it takes off and gains popularity. Who would want expensive fast hardware anymore when you can play on your netbook?Quote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
wha? welcome to 2008? 0_oQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr.BSEL
they started shipping those in december iirc... :rolleyes:
wow, you really have no idea what hydra really is??? hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
go do your homework before trashing it man
indeed fun when reality kicks in :lol:
0_o says who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xoulz
P55Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
Tell you guys right now, Hydra is not at all going to be one of those things mentioned and then disapears. The tech is there, and the idea is too big to not go anywhere.
The tech has been proven, who cares how, or with what cards. The point is, it has 100% been proven and demoed to work. Which means its only a matter of time before it is improved and marketed, too big of a thing not to be.
Not saying i believe in time travel, bust as an example. If scientists were able to say, send a quarter back in time and prove they did. Thats a huge thing, and a huge proven thing, its only a matter of time before the tech is improved, and Hydra isnt time travel, and it isnt rocket science either. This is too big to just disapear, if it gets to that point, a random company will pick it up, this tech will only continue to improve with somebody's money.
The Hydra is inevitable, the only question here is when.
I heard that this wouldn't be possible due to driver issues...Quote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
Source or GTFO:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
and you would be right, unless of course, hydra has some magic software that can use 2 graphics drivers at once, but this is highly improbable on an operating system that has trouble with 2 installed. 3rd party drivers would due the trick though, sorta. But that is hardly supported nor proven possible...so...its one of those things, thats kinda up in the air at this point. More leaning towards no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
Whats known for shure at this point, is that the hydra chip can work with a variation of any card, supported by the one graphics driver installed on the machine. So supposedly, take an nvidia driver, pull up a list of cards supported for that driver, and you can use any variation, roughly, of those. Though quality im shure will come into play at a variation too far apart, to a degree.
This is what will be real interesting about Hydra, being able to combine my old card with my new card even thou the GPU is different but also the linear scaling that LucidLogix claim this would give...Quote:
Originally Posted by Decami
That is not my understanding of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Decami
The HYDRA chip has it's own driver that interfaces with all the cards and the OS is fed from that. Phsysically it's output is fed to the monitor using one of the video cards displays ports.
Hydra aint what it was supposed to be. Hydra aint what people "dreamed" about.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
And what...Hydra on P55 boards. Ye sure...believe it. :rofl:
Got any links?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I've seen the odd p55/7 board with an nf200 but nothing else.
So right now, this chip just looks like a 'smart' pci-e bridge chip, I thought it was going to allow a mix of nvidia and ati cards with good scaling?
Thats what the hype promised it to be, but there is no proof of that so far and avalaibility is well eh... lets put it this way, you can't buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3NZ0
Whelp.....it will be interesting if this HYDRA ever materializes on a MB as an add-on chip. It has the possibility of turning multi-gpu rendering on it's head from the proprietary formats of SLI / CF. Windows 7 has no problem with 2 different vid cards and their individual drivers. I can use an ATI card for my main graphics card and use nVidia for PhysX. This chip could finally bring a usable multi-gpu graphics solution that is truly independent of nVidia or ATI/AMD software. I have been watching the news about this one for the past year or so. Still hypeware/vaporware for the enthusiast though.
Well you might have understood wrong from someone who didnt understand themselves. Cause what I said came out of Lucid's mouth. The many surfaced interviews and showcases by Lucid explained it as being exactly as I have here. The ATI/Nvidia at the same time thing, is more or less made up hype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xoulz
Its kind of impossible if you think about it. Nvidia nor ATI would never let Lucid right drivers supporting both cards for rendering purposes. Rights are involved in that case. They would both do anything to stop it, and both succeed as well
That hype was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by naokaji
BUT you can mix old ATI cards from and old architecture with a new one, or the same with Nvidia...
The thing is driver support - LucidLogix Hydra chip could mix ATI and Nvidia in theory, it's just software and legal bullsh*t.
quote saved for later :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
or several outputs... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Xoulz
and yes, it has its own driver and ati, nvidia or games dont have to support or change anything... as long as they support directx, hydra will work...
so decami, mixing ati and nvidia cards does work... ive seen it with my own eyes. its only broken in vista, because vista has a bug, errr i mean feature, to not support two vga drivers at the same time :D
in xp and win7 it works afaik...
Well if you have seen it then thats settled, but thats not what Lucid has ever mentioned. and I have not heard of a demo of such, guess i could be wrong, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
You can QUOTE me on this, THIS WILL NEVER BE A SUCCESS. As a matter of fact this will never even be mass produced. I say it will dissapear from the face of this world very shortly.
LAG.Quote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
Hydra It going to be on P55, saaya is right, trust me ;)
Don't believe it ? well you better be.
saaya seems to be in the inside track with good info...
I already believe him. :up:
Glad to :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
It'll be a laugh in 6 months time to quote this.
Anyone who thinks this tech is gonna drop off the earth is, im sorry absolutely naive and lacks any capable knowledge of industry. With Hydra doing what it does, and proven to do so. There is no way it will drop off the face of the earth. Even if it doesnt release in a year, it will be released, funded by someone, bought by somebody this tech will breathe the air of the market.
Even if it gets to the point where nobody is interested, and it wont. Its an obvious bargain buy for either ATI or Nvidia, or definetly Intel. For if this tech worked with even half the abilities as its capable of, it blows SLI/CF out the water. Even if it was restrained at requiring the same cards and only 70% gains (which its not, for a fact) it still easily defeats SLI/CF. Rest assure, if it by some idiotic reason reaches a point where its setback and not funded, it will be bought and implemented by a VGA company, Most likely Intel to be honest, rather than Nvidia or ATI, for Intel is about to break into the VGA main market, and they have nothing but ideas, theories and early projects atm for such a thing as multi GPU, and Hydra would be a perfect solution for competition, unless they have something better, and being that they are most likely helping fund this project, is probably not the case.
I mean seriously, in camparison, dropping this would be like dropping the invention of the wheel, cause you couldnt figure out how to get it to roll.
afaik they have, but maybe im just mxiing up stuff i heard from them when they briefed board makers and vga makers with what they said on tradeshows...Quote:
Originally Posted by Decami
while thats not impossible, i dont think so... theres a lot of potential in this...Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
even if it would scale worse than sli and xfire... it can scale with an almost unlimited number of gpus, something sli and xfire can not.
not funded by someone... its funded by intel capital... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Decami
Some people just wants Hydra to be something its not. Unfortunately wishes != reality.
That includes Intel, Shintai. ^^ That's why they funded it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
You assume Intel Capital thinks the same as some people here. Hydra got alot of potential on its own side. It just aint a SLI/CF replacement or the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vozer
People just tried to make Hydra into something they wanted in their desktop/gaming world. Its like saying AMD did bad and sucked because they didnt add reverse hyperthreading that was 100% fictional from sites/people to K10? Thats not how the world works...
See though, your acting as if Hydra is a theory rather than a owrking project. Want reality? Hydra works, and better than SLI, that itself is pure fact without hype, and that in itself means just a little bit more than your comment on AMD.
Your comparing Hydra like its cold fusion, impossible and non proven.
When really hydra is like hydrogen fuel, proven better, not being used the way it should and with a bunch of people trying to push it into the ground for nothing other than pure spite.
I do believe i mentioned this in the exact same post...?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Maybe you mis understood, maybe very very briefly scanned what I said....?
When i said someone, i meant by some chance it lost its funding by intel and others. Someone would pick it up, in a worst case scenario as such.
Referring to it not falling off the earth.
just thought it sounded funny you said someone :D
i knew you said intel cap in the same post... :)
i see what shintai means and i agree with him... though im not sure whether it was people hearing more than what was said or maybe some lucid people saying something thats easy to misinterpret... everybody wants better scaling for 2 vgas... while hydra can certainly do that, its not the point of hydra... hydras real feature is splitting each frame efficiently for an almost unlimited amount of gpus, so hydra can go way beyond quad gpus, something amd and nvidia already struggle with, actually most games dont or barely scale when going from 2 to 3 gpus already
Would it be possible to implement hydra chip not on mainboard but on PCIe card with several gpus? and get the perfect scaling?
Oh darn, I hate "Tech Baby Steps" :down:. Guess the Arctic Ice will melt and New York will be underwater, by the time LucidLogix HYDRA Chips will work as advertised 2 years ago.
Im shure it wouldnt be as efficient as on the mainboard, but yeah, Lucid has already talked about this being an option. Id rather it on the mainboard personally though.Quote:
Originally Posted by suddeath
If we are to believe what LucidLogix said then this "Hydra" chip only consumes 5W TDP so having it on a PCI-E card wouldn't be the end of the world...Quote:
Originally Posted by Decami
My guess would be that AMD or Nvidia won't have a choice but to adapt to Hydra really if/when it launches