Thought you guys might be interested in this :up:
http://www.benchtec.co.uk/index.php/...-and-bclk-mod/
103 -> 119 Mhz PCI-E :cool:
BClk testing to follow.
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Thought you guys might be interested in this :up:
http://www.benchtec.co.uk/index.php/...-and-bclk-mod/
103 -> 119 Mhz PCI-E :cool:
BClk testing to follow.
or very very tied lol
@ r1ch BIG Thank you for this...will have to give it a try when I get home.:up::D
PS Is it just a typo??:shrug:
Just a typo ;) I released this as soon as I got the info and tested it to be working. :D
Hope it helps, report back what you find.
Thank you for sharing.
very nice! thats the mod i was talking about, great to see somebody posted it so quickly :toast:
too bad its under the heatsink though...
hey carl, if there will be a revision change on any of the x58 boards please poke them to make sure that they change this so people dont have to mod, cheers :toast:
If we have to RMA a BloodRAGE after a revision change takes place will we get a board with the new revision in exchange?
Nice mod, but Im kinda curious 1) what would happend if I get another resistor and solder it without removing that first and 2) how its possible that I've reached 225 BCLK with P07? If its limited to 220? :D
Looks very nice indeed, maybe iŽll test it tomorrow.. Is it hard to remove the resistor? How exactly did you do this?
no there not a rev change
seem bloodrage is EOL and only a few left in the world
but GTI and flammingblades will have the change
but hay Saaya how did you miss that one :D if you know of this mod why you not say
YMAA no rma will not fix for you
sorry about this.
Mescalamba if you dont use the same resistor you may unset the pci-e and when you increase pci-e you get more bclk so can go above 220 and you just been lucky lol
people who know how to solder should try this, if you dont then do not touch
Desolder and solder again.. You need tools for that. Not sure how its properly called in English, but its same tool used for soldering. :) Its not hard, just take-off battery or use battery discharge jumper. Plus that tool must not put any electricity into board.. and you need to be careful ofc..
So I have to RMA my board, default voltage is jumping around, since the Blood Rage is at EOL, will they be able to fix it or replace it?
As far as the mod goes, if I understand it correctly, you remove the resistor from location 128 and install it to location 125. Has anyone on here done this besides the OP? If so, do have better pics of the before and after, the originals seem to be a little small to see the details.
Thanks
all board have 3 years warrenty
even when they are EOL, the bloodrage GTI is still going and i will say it will have a B3 chipset when we use up all the B2 lol
that is how all the board manafuctor do it.
whats wrong with the pic on benchtec they very very clear
and once you look at the board you will find
yes i've done the mod on two board and may be doing it on 80 more of them lol
voltage jumping about were you getting that remember before g25 the intel code was doing that to the cpu and seem it normal but people did not like which is why G25 come out
Yeah, just so we are clear, the voltage isn't jumping around, the default vcore of the chip will go from 1.23v down to 1.13v. It doesn't happen immediately, just after an hour or so. It wouldn't be an issue, except that when I set my voltages I set them from the 1.23v vcore, so when it lowers the default vcore it becomes unstable. Then when I go into the bios, the settings are still working off the 1.23v vcore, i.e. if I add .8mv it still sets it to 1.29v vcore as the target vcore even though the default has dropped to 1.13v. This wasn't happening before, hence why I thought I would have to RMA it. I thought I might have a bad flash, but I have reflashed it several times and that hasn't fixed the issue. I will try G25 again to see if that fixes the issue.
Thanks
Maybe little bit off-topic.. but Utnorris .. whats your PSU? Could have effect too.. even if its highly unlikely.
no if you add and dont remove the other you may break and have no controll
As suggested, this is only for experienced vmodders who can handle a soldering iron. This was pretty new territory to me, i've done a few gfx cards but nothing this small yet.
Better pics :)
Before:
http://www.benchtec.co.uk/images/ric...age/before.jpg
After:
http://www.benchtec.co.uk/images/ric...rage/after.jpg
Yikes!! They are tiny!! Thanks for the closeup pics r1ch. I just saw @ Benchtec that a 15W iron would be the better option...hmmmm smallest I have is 35W, looks like a trip to the hardware store when I get home. Any results yet r1ch? And @ Lord Trident...will a future bios update do the same thing or is this mod the only way to achieve the higher pcie?
Thank you r1ch for the updated picks. Gives me a better idea of what I have to do. Definetely want to see your results r1ch.
As far as my PSU being the issue, I have two other boards and I do not have this issue with them.
i didnt know which resistor it was on BR... i heard of this mod for other boards, i told our engineers a couple of weeks before i left but they were not interested in getting higher pciE clocks working... :(
i asked them several times and they always said they think its not important...
mescalamba, if you can get higher bclocks without the mod, once you do the mod you should be flying :D im not sure how exactly this works but i suspect the IOH becomes unstable when qpi and pciE clocks are too far apart.
funny actually, cause it was the same with the 875 chipset and agp clocks and other older intel chipsets :D
increasing agp/pci clocks and increasing those bus voltages made small to notable diferences in the past, so im not surprised it helps here as well... though for some it doesnt seem to help at all, for others it helps a lot...
on 875 the diference was incredible, i remember hipro modding his asus or abit 875 board to increase agp volts and clocks and got insane fsb clocks on socket 478...
ahh there it is, abit it was... and he got 400fsb on a socket 478 system... in 2003! :D
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=24520
Utnorris, i dont think its a board issue... and if you want the mod done, just ask nicely and foxconns rma center might actually do it, but dont try to force the issue and claim you deserve a modded board from them, thats a bit how your posts sound :D
If that is how it comes across that was not my intention. I was looking for a better pic to see which resistor it was. My main concern has been the issue with the voltage fluctuating, it's actually a little scary since it can jump back to the original default voltage which would sky rocket my vcore. To get 4.2Ghz stable I have to add about .05v from the 1.23v default, to get the same result from 1.13v I have to add .15v vcore. At the 4.2Ghz it's not a real issue, but jumping up to 4.4Ghz I have to be at 1.4v vcore on my chip, that's a .17v jump from the 1.23v or .27v from the 1.13v vcore. If it jumps back up to the default 1.23v default vcore that puts my vcore up to 1.5v which I would rather not run, especially on a 24/7 basis. This mod wouldn't help my situation either way. I am hoping I can get the G25 bios to fix it, but since I am not seeing anyone else with the same issue it leads me to believe it is a board issue. Again, wasn't trying to get the tech support to do the mod, just trying to fix my issue with the default vcore voltage.
Have you measured the PCI-E frequency with a frequency counter to be sure that it is 120MHz OR just of what you see in setfsb?
I'm asking you this because the datasheet of the PLL Clock generetor IC writes down that whatever you pick as for PCI-E frequency, it locks it at 100MHz... ;)
Bios engineers of Bloodrage mobo SUCK BIG TIME.... :mad:
Why?
In bios G22 and G25 (haven't tested the other's) the VCore and the VQPI are OPPOSITE...
When you change the VCore into bios, ACTUALY you change the VQPI and when you change the VQPI, it changes the VCore... :mad:
Go someone and get a multimeter and measure the VCore...
Go into bios and change it...
You'll read the SAME VCore after save and exit, bla, bla, bla...
Now go and change the VQPI and you will see that the VCore is changing...:(
I don't know IF this is involved with the pre-released BloodRage mobo or not, I just say what I see and measure because I was about to burn down my CPU by thinking of feeding it with more VCore, though I gave it OVER 1.65 VQPI without knowing it... :(
Question does this apply to all Bloodrage boards, or certain version that came out? I never new the board had a 220 and above problem, which really sucks. I have mine sitting here new never used for that past 2 months and now I am thinking maybe send it back for a evga..
Hipro5 i will check and if it true i get the bios people to fix
this is the first i know of this problem and no one has said before.
Lu(ky why does this sucks have you tried it as a lot of people can not get 220 to start with
yes i know there a few of you that have and this is why am trying to get them fixed
the pci-e freq fix helps the bckl but as far as i know we still fixing the bckl problem as you should be able to do this with out pci-e freq
i hope to have more information on this soon.
thanks
Not even eVGA can make 220 easy.. it depends on your CPU and piece of mobo, if you get bad piece of CPU or mobo.. you'll be happy to make stable 200.. I've seen this before on quite a lot i7 boards. 220 is quite enough, if you don't plan to put your CPU on stage cooling.
Well I do have a 2 good DO I just got, I was planning on this being my show board with case mod I been messing with. I have no plans on selling it.. I will try in the next couple of days with this DO Batch like this chip --> H E R E
http://cfile238.uf.daum.net/image/14...49E57E67966A0A
SLBEJ .. hm, I think these are quite good, you should be able to do 4,2 - 4,4 without much problems on BR.. more will need better cooling. 220x21 = 4620 - means probably no go without water cooling or TEC or both.. but ofc depends how much voltage your CPU needs for that.
Having more than 220 BCLK is nice, but with i7 920 and air cooling, it doesn't have much meaning (except fact that higher your FSB = faster it is).
Sorry George I don't have one of those - I can do some benchmark's though ;)
3D03, 9800GX2@760/1800/1155, 920@220x12=2640
PCI-E@100 = 68671
PCI-E@109 = 68844
PCI-E@119 = 69198
http://www.benchtec.co.uk/images/rich/bloodrage/100.jpg
http://www.benchtec.co.uk/images/rich/bloodrage/109.jpg
http://www.benchtec.co.uk/images/rich/bloodrage/119.jpg
I think it's working! :up:
I've never come across this myself, and I have a pre-release board like you. I always have a DMM on hand with this board though. From the testing I've done it can fluctuate the vcore based on how many cores/threads you have enabled, and what CPU multi you have selected (although I think the CPU multi is meant to have improved with G25 BIOS as they changed the VID tables.
Lu(ky, it may just be my board that refused to go over exactly 220, but other have run into problems around there, i.e in the 220/221/222 range. Some have been lucky and got to 225 and after the G25 BIOS I got to 229.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=576031
I 'only' have a C0 as well, so I don't know how D0's play with it but they can't be worse - i'd give the bloodrage a go, and if you need more bclk then see if you can get another board. I don't think you will - 4.6Ghz+ is difficult with ANY board.
for fsb thats true cause it affects the chipset clocks, but for bclock? if you increase the multipliers and reduce bclock to have the same uncore, core and memory clocks, the performance will be the same... at least from what i tested?
on air :D
george,
so the early board i sent you has vtt and vcore swapped with the newer bios versions? thats odd...
carl, can you tell the bios guys about this? thx :toast:
Do you have a bloodrage with the same problem systemviper?
I'm not doubting what George is saying, but if this problem is limited to his pre-release, engineering sample board then I don't think it's a big deal. I'd hope Foxconn will sort George out with a BIOS, or a mod that fixes things for him.
Like I said, I have a pre-release board as well and I have never seen this. I don't think I would be benching at 4.5-4.6Ghz with stock vcore and 1.5vqpi :shrug:
Btw. I like this mod but.. will we be able to have 120 PCI-E without this mod somewhere in future? Or its only way to get more PCi-E freq?
think that could be the limit of pci-e feq but again it could be any card that on the bus holding back on 119
so you may find you can go higher by turning off almost every bit
like lans as they are pci-e chips raid chips and graphic card could hold back
but i will find out if we can get a bit more or not on the pci-e but why you want 120, may i ask and no, you need the mod to get. the bios can not fix
it a wrong track link on the north chip that what the mod is doing
it should have been picked up in the early days but no one seem to ask or try pci-e freq
even i missed that but then again i do tv card testing and i know a lot of tv cards on pci-e get upset about the bus over 104 lol
so i dont touch my self
yea it seems that upping the pciE is th magic bullet on a few other boards too, like the gig board and i will try it on the gene too.
did i read earlier that the bios can only get you 103 and you need setfsb to go higher. or is that only with the hard mod. i try to avoid hard mods...
Can you post or IM you setings for the high bclocks. i want to make sure i have all the other settings on target also.
thanks for your effort, the BR seems to be responding nicely to this new info and upgrades :up:
carl, the engineers actually told me they use a seperate clock signal for the x58 pciE and the sb pciE, if thats true, then the onboard components should not be affected by raising the pciE clocks... im not sure if the sonar card clocks are related to those pciE though... but i dont think so.
i told them early in the beginning of making BR that pciE vga clocks should be independant from any other clock so it can be overclocked without causing raid or other issues... and they said they will do it, and later i checked and they said the clocks are independant...
Has anyone verified what hiPro5 stated above?
With mod, you get more 3D Marks if you have set PCI-E to 120 or more = means it works. Also, if someone tried it and it worked without problems, it means, that PCI-E from chipset is separated from southbridge.. which usually cause disappearing of HDD, sound problems etc.. but not sure until I'll test it myself.. since I have two BR's I'll try to mod one.. :)
An VQPI and vCore? Dunno, I've tried G25 and it worked for me and voltages were not switched.. but I can OC much better with P07/08, than with G25, so I didn't test it too much..
But would you try to sell one:p:
I don't think there's anything to verify? :confused:
Hipro got a pre-release board (engineering sample) that may well have had the problem he described - after all, it was an ES. Seeing as hundred's, if not thousands of retail BR's have been sold since, and no-one has reported the same problem (including mine), I think it's safe to say there's nothing to worry about.
Have you got a BR mate? How about checking it yourself? :)
Yea I plan to sell one.. not saying that I want to sell it, but really I can't use two mobos. :D Tough I really love them.. Its wierd, but I never felt such emotion to "thing" as mobo is.. its not like its best mobo of the world (even if its pretty close to being one :D) .. its just emotional piece of HW..
Will sell that unmodded one.. if buyer wouldn't want me to mod it. :D
Let me know I'm interested
PM me
If you're just looking to buy a normal BR, they are still for sale. ie http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186163
Or did you mean a modded one?
Unless I'm getting completely the wrong end of the stick, hipro's had the problem all along and it wasn't any particular BIOS that "swapped" the voltages or anything. Of course I might be wrong, in which case I'm sure he'll be along to explain at some point :ROTF:
Anyone knows what is the value of that resister that need to be pulled out ?
Just in case it will be killed when I pull it out ?
And, any suggestions how to pull it out easily ?
Fox, you don't "pull" it out, you need to touch each end with a soldering iron and use a pair of tweezers to lift it out while the solder's soft.
Again, don't try this unless you're very good with a soldering iron! :)
I am actually not doing the mod myself, a friend of mine with much much better soldering skills then mine is helping me.
He tried to de-solder it and he said it is too delicate and he is afraid he will fry the resistor.
He suggested that I would get the same resistor in case he will fry the the one soldered.
So for now we decided to postpone the mod.
I wouldn't recommend more than a 15W iron for the job really, I used a 30W, but it hadn't got up to full temperature and I let it cool down in between the desoldering and re-soldering. :)
I see, will take that into account.
Any answer on the value of the resistor, just in case it won't go at the happy path ?
Did you manage to measure it between de-soldering/soldering ?
Thanks !
Any idea why CPU-Z is showing 35Gb of RAM?
And on a side note, any news about incoming BIOS updates? Regarding the stable (P) release with VDroop fixes and PCI-Express frequency adjustment for example (and other minor stuff mentioned in the BIOS issues thread hopefully). The web site is still down, so I hope new BIOS releases are in works regardless.... This board needs just a lil bit of tweaking to become perfect. :yepp:
And is the NB cooler audible? Some small fans are really annoying. :down:
Considering picking up a i7 build soon hence asking. :)
why do people care of a bios is P or G if it works? ill never understand that... :D
contact foxconn tech support or carl and they can check :)
It's not about that, Saaya. Some people are still reporting issues so I wanted to be sure that new BIOSes with fixes were still in works.
Everything is looking good it seems, though, according to http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=228375 (thanks Utnorris!)
No idea, I think it is just my board, or my DDR3 kit ;) I don't mind if it's a P or a G bios, I'm sure there will be a P version of G25 at some point though.
The NB cooler fan is really quiet, almost silent tbh. I certainly can't hear it over any of the other quiet fans in my case. :)
Thanks for feedback guys! :yepp: And hey, I wouldn't mind 30+ Gb of RAM myself! :D
to people asking what value the resistor is 1k ohm
thanks
And? Any results? Better overclockability?
Dunno.. I'll know as soon as I try it. :D Need money tough.. (don't have proper soldering iron.. ).
OK, managed to pull this mod.
This SMD resistor is so small !
BTW its resistance is 100 Ohm and not 1K Ohm !
After the mod I could easily even go to 130 Mhz with PCI-E, too bad that after 120Mhz the Sata controller freaks out and my HDD was not recognized.
So 120Mhz is somehow the safe/sane limit.
In terms of bclk, it seems that on H20, i could pull up to 231Mhz (with 12multy), even ran a SuperPi 1M ran.
I could boot at 228Bclk from BIOS, very nice :D
I hope on cold it will get even better.
Here is a screenshot from Windows with 120Mhz PCI-E and 225.5Mhz bClk (afaik it was 226Mhz bClk from BIOS).
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/512...e120mhz.th.png
I can hit 226 bclk with 103, if I can't get anymore with over that, I'll be highly disappointed. I think I'm going to wait and see if they make it available with a new bios for now.
You need to set the PCI-E to 103.4 on Windows using setFSB, then you will be able to hit 229.1Mhz bclk, though beyond 227Mhz it's not really stable.
on 229 the only things I could run were Spi1M and Pifast.
Aside from that, don't get your hopes high on a new BIOS that will fix it, its a hardware limit that can only be resolved using the hard mod.
BTW, I found that setting CPU latency to 100 and CPU Drive strength to 25 gave me to go from 229->231 bClk so you might want to try it out.
It seems that setting the Drive Strength above 25 and the system would fail to POST, 10 would fail to POST too. so 20-25 was the area of good values, where 25 seems to be the best.
what max bclk may i get with default pci.e 100?
i can boot at 220, with low cpu and mem multiplies, but get error on linpack after 10 mins :confused:
also what voltages on mobo i have to set for bclk >200? say, ioh 1.3 or smth else
With 100Mhz of PCI-E you would be stuck at the 222~ bClk Wall.
If you set the IOH to 1.3v-1.26v and IOH PCI-E voltage to 1.7v, you should hit about 223-224 Afaik in the best case scenario.
Even 115 PCIe can kill HDD.. (in long term use).. not sure I want to try it just to get like 5MHz BCLK.. :(
For the guys who are still trying to figure how high the bClk can go with this mod:
How's that for bClk ?
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/602211.png
More details here, with some hardcore 2D benches and pics from the run.
So you did hardmode the board? Very nice ;) Post some settings
Temptation was too high, what can I do ? :rofl:
Settings (for G25 Bios):
CPU Features
PPM : Enabled
EIST : Enabled
CxE : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Virtualization : Disabled
Hyper Threading : Enabled (didn't seem to matter, probably CPU is still held back by the MB :()
Active Processor Cores : All
Current Feedback Override: Enabled
QPI CPU Latency: 100
IOH QPI Latency: Auto
CPU QPI Drive Strength: 25
CPU IOH Drive Strength: Auto
Memory Settings
Memory Controller Settings
IMC Configuration : Enabled
Channel Congifuration :Independent
Channel Interleaving :6
Rank Interleaving :4
Memory Timings
Extreme Memory Profile XMP : Disabled
Memory Profile Select :auto
DRAM Timing Control :Manual
tCL (CAS Latency) :7
tRCG (RAS to CAS Delay) :7
tRP (RAS Precharge) :7
tRAS (Precharge Delay) :16/20
CR (Command Rate) :1T
tRFC (Refresh Cycle Time) :Auto
tWR (Write Recovery Time) : Auto
tWTR (Write to Read Delay) : Auto
tRRD (RAS to RAS Delay) : Auto
tRTP (Read to Precharge) : Auto
All Voltage Settings
CPU Voltages
CPU Core Voltage : +230mV/+250mV (CPU-Z reports 1.408v and 1.440v accordingly)
CPU Target Core Voltage : Varies, see above
CPU Vdroop Compensation : Disabled (enabled get my CPU to crap out so quickly I can't even hit 4.7Ghz :shrug:)
CPU VTT (UnCore) Voltage : +220mV (1.4v actual)
1.8 PPL Voltage Setting : 1.800
CPU Clock Amplitude Ctrl : .800
Memory Voltages
DRAM Voltage :1.73
DIMM1 Vref CA (Addresses) :.500
DIMM1 Vref DQ (Data) : :.500 (I think this one was 496 or something)
DIMM2 Vref CA (Addresses) : :.500
DIMM2 Vref DQ (Data) : :.500
DIMM3 Vref CA (Addresses) : :.500
DIMM3 Vref DQ (Data) : :.500
Chipset Voltages
X58 IOH Core Voltage :1.30
X58 IOH VCCA 1.1V :1.108
X58 IOH VCCA 1.5V :1.706
ICH10 SB Voltage :1.506
Clock Speed Control Center
CPU Turbo : Enabled
System Turbo : Enabled
CPU Bclock (FSB) : 227 (the rest was done with setFSB from Windows)
QPI Link Fast Mode : Disabled (Can get up to 239 bClk with Enabled/248 with Disabled)
QPI Multiplier : X18
QPI Target Speed : 4086
CPU Core Multiplier : X20
CPU Core Target Speed : 4540 (Keep pushing it :D)
CPU Uncore Multiplier : X18
CPU Uncore Target Speed : 4086
Memory Bus Multiplier : X8
Memory Bus Target Speed : 1816
PCI Express Bus Clock : 116
CPU Clock Skew : Ops
IOH Clock Skew : Ops
I hope this helps :up:
i sell my bloodrage for evga classified but now i want to go back to bloodrage. BR is far better in memory overclocking.
thanks to saaya & the quantum force team for that :)
I think a I deserve a little thanks too, for showing what this little devilish board can do :D J/K
Its just that everybody lost faith in it and got EVGA instead, bei fei , DJsub and there are probably more ppl.
As in everything in Life, in order to success, a combination of elements need to work to their best.
The Engineers who made this Board, the guy who came up with the MOD, and of course the overclocker ;).
Now, if the ppl at Foxconn/QF can just bring on some newer BIOS and improved support it will be an excellent board.
P.S.
Is the Classy for sail ? :D
Well, some of us know how great those mobos are.. thats why I have two of them. :D I kinda tought about getting myself Classified, but I felt guilty that I would cheat my BR.. so I stayed with it. :)
Hopefully going to make that mod soon too.. wish I could get some cheap L2N/DICE pot..
But really, impressive results for GTi version..
I'm gonna buy a new one, definitely :D this rocks
And what about dice/ln2 on NB :)
I think LN2/DICE on the NB has been tried and proved to gain nothing.
And It should gain you nothing as there is nothing significant on the NB, it is just a 32 lanes PCI-E HUB with a DMI interface to the SB.
I think BZ got a little higher bclk with ln2
this is my last bench with unmodded BR b4 going to classified.
SuperPi32m :
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/598...mhzspi32m0.jpg
3dmark06 :
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7...ghzxfire47.jpg
IMHO BR is far better in memory overclocking than classified in 2:10
i couldnt get that memclock to work on classified whatever voltage i put on classified.
i don't have money to buy expensive memory. that's why memory overclocking is very important to me :)