ThermoChill PA120.4 Radiator

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06-09-2009, 09:46 AM
MordantsNeed

ThermoChill PA120.4 Radiator

I don't know if anyone has seen this yet but chilledpc will have them in stock from the 17th June, (15mm fan spacing as well).
06-09-2009, 10:15 AM
liguhy

product link

Here's a pic and link:
PA 120.4
Hmm, 75 pounds sterling converts to about 122 USD. I assume this will be as thick as other Thermochill PA rads? For us US (:)) users, XSPC RX series seems to do just as well, or you could pay the extra bling price and get a Feser I suppose.
http://www.chilledpc.co.uk/shop/images/large/pa1203.jpg
06-09-2009, 10:18 AM
kinghong1970

um... 120.4 meaning it is 120mm fans x4.. right?
i think the pic is just a plain ol 120.3...
06-09-2009, 10:18 AM
prosser13

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/cata...x.php?cPath=37

Keep an eye on there - TC is now part owned by the same guy who owns WCUK so there's a chance they might have lower prices :)
06-09-2009, 10:24 AM
liguhy

Quote:

Originally Posted by kinghong1970

um... 120.4 meaning it is 120mm fans x4.. right?
i think the pic is just a plain ol 120.3...

Oh, so it is. I just copied and pasted the product picture without really looking. Link's good, but they have the wrong picture...tsk tsk
06-09-2009, 12:00 PM
Martinm210

Very nice, do I see the larger fan spacing..:) or is that changing to 15mm?
06-09-2009, 12:09 PM
Mankz_91

It says 15mm on the website.
06-09-2009, 12:13 PM
Petra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinm210

Very nice, do I see the larger fan spacing..:) or is that changing to 15mm?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mankz_91

It says 15mm on the website.

New Thermochills = 15mm fan spacing, no bleed screw, and no gasket.
06-09-2009, 01:11 PM
welshtom

Quote:

Originally Posted by prosser13

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/cata...x.php?cPath=37

Keep an eye on there - TC is now part owned by the same guy who owns WCUK so there's a chance they might have lower prices :)

I should hope not, not unless he wants to annoy every reseller in the country.

They set the RRP's they will stick to them ;)

As stated in product description, pics to follow.
We've been confirmed stock from TC so just waiting for them now and we can get them in the photo tent and get some photos of all the new 15mm spacings and quad rad up asap
06-09-2009, 01:33 PM
WaterFlex

Tc Is Back !
06-09-2009, 03:01 PM
Brad8988

Hi welshman. :)
06-09-2009, 03:20 PM
quattro_

i bet it will not outperform the good old pa120.3 .
06-09-2009, 04:16 PM
Fragger

Quote:

Originally Posted by quattro_

i bet it will not outperform the good old pa120.3 .

Ill take that bet and youre money...........
06-09-2009, 04:33 PM
Brodholm

Quote:

Originally Posted by quattro_

i bet it will not outperform the good old pa120.3 .

Ill bet it will perform about the same as the RX480. Is there any other things done to the design besides the 15mm spacing?

I think someone said that it is the extra area on the PA120.3 that makes it better than most 120.3 rads. Because of the larger fan spacing?
06-09-2009, 07:43 PM
DeathWalking

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brodholm

Ill bet it will perform about the same as the RX480. Is there any other things done to the design besides the 15mm spacing?

I think someone said that it is the extra area on the PA120.3 that makes it better than most 120.3 rads. Because of the larger fan spacing?

Probably not, considering the fan area is the same as on the other fans...there's just a little more space in between the fans. I dunno, though, could be. I suspect it's good 'ol fashioned engineering prowess, though.
06-09-2009, 08:09 PM
CyberDruid

That's some great news. Pricing seems pretty decent too.
06-09-2009, 08:46 PM
faster3200

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brodholm

I think someone said that it is the extra area on the PA120.3 that makes it better than most 120.3 rads. Because of the larger fan spacing?

I HIGHLY doubt that.

19mm-15mm=2mm 2mm*2=4mm
4mm*120mm= 480mm^2=0.744in^2
0.744in^2 x 8fpi= ~6 fins

I highly doubt 6 extra fins/<1 sq.in. will make a big difference. If you compare it to other rads you will notice it performs similarly, so nothing special about it imo.

That said new TC stuff should be interesting. I am curious how much it will turn out like XSPC stuff and how much will stay the same.
06-10-2009, 02:48 AM
Brodholm

Quote:

Originally Posted by faster3200

I HIGHLY doubt that.

19mm-15mm=2mm 2mm*2=4mm
4mm*120mm= 480mm^2=0.744in^2
0.744in^2 x 8fpi= ~6 fins

I highly doubt 6 extra fins/<1 sq.in. will make a big difference. If you compare it to other rads you will notice it performs similarly, so nothing special about it imo.

That said new TC stuff should be interesting. I am curious how much it will turn out like XSPC stuff and how much will stay the same.

Guess I remembered wrong then :) Thanks for clearing that up.
06-10-2009, 03:43 AM
ecat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brodholm

I think someone said that it is the extra area on the PA120.3 that makes it better than most 120.3 rads. Because of the larger fan spacing?

I remember reading that, iirc it was either Marci or Martin.
06-10-2009, 03:51 AM
quattro_

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fragger

Ill take that bet and youre money...........

you serious? 10$ :p:
06-10-2009, 04:04 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by faster3200

I HIGHLY doubt that.

19mm-15mm=2mm 2mm*2=4mm
4mm*120mm= 480mm^2=0.744in^2
0.744in^2 x 8fpi= ~6 fins

I highly doubt 6 extra fins/<1 sq.in. will make a big difference. If you compare it to other rads you will notice it performs similarly, so nothing special about it imo.

That said new TC stuff should be interesting. I am curious how much it will turn out like XSPC stuff and how much will stay the same.

TC was 24.5mm but regardless, I dont think extra area between the fans does a whole lot. We may be underestimating it though because a large portion of the air going through most 120mm fans ends up at the very edge of the radius.
06-10-2009, 04:21 AM
HESmelaugh

We need to do a blind test on this:
Person 1 runs tests on both new and old TCs (with larger and smaller fan-spaces), never looks at the temps and just sends all the raw data-logs to Person 2. Person 2 does the number-crunching and if he can confidently say which set of data belongs to which radiator, there's a difference. :D

This would need to be done with several sets of testers, to even out chance differences measured.
06-10-2009, 04:33 AM
Mech0z

Isnt it sort of like having a triple rad vs a quad rad but running 3 fans on both, the quad rad will do better, but not by much with now flow through it.
06-10-2009, 08:53 AM
The[R]eaper

Great news! may have to get one of these for my TJ07's basement :D

any idea when they're hittin' the states?
06-10-2009, 09:00 AM
Waterlogged

Quote:

Originally Posted by faster3200

I HIGHLY doubt that.

19mm-15mm=2mm 2mm*2=4mm
4mm*120mm= 480mm^2=0.744in^2
0.744in^2 x 8fpi= ~6 fins

I highly doubt 6 extra fins/<1 sq.in. will make a big difference. If you compare it to other rads you will notice it performs similarly, so nothing special about it imo.

That said new TC stuff should be interesting. I am curious how much it will turn out like XSPC stuff and how much will stay the same.

Wouldn't this need to be cubed to account for the thickness of the rad which is also cooling the water? ;)
06-10-2009, 09:04 AM
orangekiwii

why not just get a rx480 reaper?

they're about the same price and do better with lower speed fans....
06-10-2009, 09:09 AM
kinghong1970

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangekiwii

why not just get a rx480 reaper?

they're about the same price and do better with lower speed fans....

well, now, hold your horses...

the RX480 design may have been based off the TC's successful design but to date, we do not have any actual testing and numbers to say that the RX480 works better than the PA120.4... tad premature for that bro...

both the RX and the PA series rads were designed to work well with low speed fans... i think it's pretty much neck to neck race on this one...
06-10-2009, 09:17 AM
faster3200

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

TC was 24.5mm but regardless, I dont think extra area between the fans does a whole lot. We may be underestimating it though because a large portion of the air going through most 120mm fans ends up at the very edge of the radius.

I cold have sworn the fan spacing was 19mm. Oh well, good point.

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

Wouldn't this need to be cubed to account for the thickness of the rad which is also cooling the water? ;)

D'oh! :am: That is what I get for doing maths while doing arts and scripting. Nice catch there :up:.

I doubly fail :(.
I still don't think it is any better than other thick rads though.
06-10-2009, 09:53 AM
skinnee

Quote:

Originally Posted by kinghong1970

well, now, hold your horses...

the RX480 design may have been based off the TC's successful design but to date, we do not have any actual testing and numbers to say that the RX480 works better than the PA120.4... tad premature for that bro...

both the RX and the PA series rads were designed to work well with low speed fans... i think it's pretty much neck to neck race on this one...

:wasntme:
06-10-2009, 09:54 AM
Waterlogged

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinnee

:wasntme:

:hammer:
06-10-2009, 09:57 AM
skinnee

hey know...I actually finish things, they may take a little while but there is definitely a start and a finish to my projects. :rofl:
06-10-2009, 10:03 AM
kinghong1970

now why do i suddenly begin to regret my purchase of the RX480?

ha ha ha...
06-10-2009, 11:38 AM
Froggy

Quote:

Originally Posted by faster3200

I HIGHLY doubt that.

19mm-15mm=2mm 2mm*2=4mm
4mm*120mm= 480mm^2=0.744in^2
0.744in^2 x 8fpi= ~6 fins

I highly doubt 6 extra fins/<1 sq.in. will make a big difference. If you compare it to other rads you will notice it performs similarly, so nothing special about it imo.

That said new TC stuff should be interesting. I am curious how much it will turn out like XSPC stuff and how much will stay the same.

Last I checked, 19-15 equals 4 not 2. :shrug:

So you might wanna redo your equation. :confused:
06-10-2009, 02:33 PM
skinnee

Quote:

Originally Posted by kinghong1970

now why do i suddenly begin to regret my purchase of the RX480?

ha ha ha...

Don't regret it at all. From where I stand, there is not a poor radiator on the market. The key is to pair the fans and radiator, as long as to do that you'll be fine. We have a vast array of good parts to choose from when building our systems and loops.

Its a playground of good WC parts for us now...we have a vast array of options when we look to build another loop or expand an existing one.

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