Interesting . . . .heard they will come in colors as well.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1...ure2uy9.th.jpghttp://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8...ure1wj0.th.jpghttp://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1452/pictureka5.th.jpg
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Interesting . . . .heard they will come in colors as well.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1...ure2uy9.th.jpghttp://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8...ure1wj0.th.jpghttp://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1452/pictureka5.th.jpg
Don't trust them..... don't trust them.....don't trust them .... :omg:
But they look nice, I gotta admit that. :)
I wonder how long those would last... definitely looks cool, but I think I'll stick to my fittings for now...
polycarbonate. I heard price will be a lot lower? Maybe half of others? In true XS fashion I say tests for performance including some durability tests ;)
I am not trusting them at all. Only metal ones are accepted.
off topic: XS Case modding syndicate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tile
Who is gonna be brave enough to test them? The results would be disaster if they fail. When and if I go with compressions, I'm definitely going with proven metal. The joint is stonger than the part they're screwed into with the metal ones. I cannot see a reason to go with plastic on that. Not even from an asthetics point of view.
Last time I saw plastic fittings used on here was those square 90's that were failing like crazy. Those were bad news.
dude i have a hard enough time with bits power crystal's, you think im gonna trust plastic compression? :rofl:
NaeKuh, those were the ones I was talking about. Man, those things were scary. I looked at them and wondered when I saw them back around that time frame, and then up comes the posts about them failing. I said to myself "Oh $***! Glad I didn't mess with those now." heh
I guess that would be me =)Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
Been running them a week now without any issues. They are poly carbonate and plenty strong. Stronger then the acrylic reservoirs most people screw metal fittings into lol.
Dam DB...do you have like spies EVERYWHERE? I don't suppose you would tell me how you got those pics? I didn't think so. Now I gotta go check my server to make sure you didn't hack it :)
I will be sending a bunch out to guys in here for testing so everyone please just relax till actual users can comment.
I would try them only if I know for a fact that they were just as reliable as metal compression fittings. It took me a while to build up the courage to use compression fittings from BP instead of just using regular fitting and worm clamps.
I will admit, they would look sexy if they had UV reactive colors :D. I know im a fan of the bling bling :sofa:
Looks like primochill. Those are simply fugly.
They look nice, but I shall never touch them!
+1 I will stick with the barbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
Wont even look at them...
Neat idea, but I won't touch those either. I'd rather have a dark black or chrome fitting. More bling and the safety is there.
Sorry, I'm not touching them, even if they're made from transparent aluminum. :fact:
I would try them out on a closed loop first, but if they are made out of the right material I don't see the issue. We use acrylic tops on cpu blocks and gpu's, this isn't all that different.
Good luck to you. You're definitely a brave soul. I got too much work in mine to risk it. Let us know if they crack.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxGods
I keep it safe, I dont use aluminum or acrylic :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
AHAHAHAHAHAQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
"But how dah yah know he dinna invent tha stuff?"
I remember all these SAME comments a ways back when the metal compression fittings first started showing up. Now most people love them.
This is not going to be a product for some (most maybe) of the guys in here. The fittings are aimed at users wanting a lower cost alternative that is easy to use. For those that pick up and carry their systems by the tubing, not a good choice. For those running several hundred PSI through their loops, not a good choice.
Kidding aside, they are NOT acrylic like the last attempt by another company at plastic fittings. Acrylic doesn't do that well with alcohol and it's derivatives--poly carbonate is stronger in general and does not have any issues with alcohol. They will come in several solid colors, including black and white, as well as UV colors and color matched exactly to the tubing for a stealthed look. They are also going to be half the cost or less compared to metal fittings.
There are advantages to plastic fittings besides cost. Because they are molded and not machined they can be smaller and lighter. They also don't dump heat back into your case, nor conduct electricity--helpful for T's and elbows etc which will also be available in poly carbonate. A nice looking, High Flow CURVED L, Y, T, True T etc. compression fitting for $5-$7 bucks in color matched Poly Carbonate is something a lot of w/c guys will find useful.
oh. why did i hear a *scrack-fssssssssssss* inside my case? OH SH*T! :shocked:
I think these are interesting ... looking forward to seeing the colored products. And also interested in the T's and elbows ... would be nice to have some lightweight, but high quality, fittings to use for drains, etc.
While I can't say I'll be an early adopter (aka beta tester) they certainly look interesting. Glad to see companies are out exploring the possibilities and experimenting.
guys are you unaware that polycarbonate is way more durable than acrylic? these would probably work well.
that said I wouldn't use them in any high lateral torque situations
This just seems like a step backwards to me... :shrug:
Please enlighten me how a fitting can "dump heat" back in my case. You cannot seriously mean that the minimum amount of metal a metal fitting exposes to the surrounding air can affect case temperatures one way or the other?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxGods
Where do you get em? Who makes them?
I'll be happy to test them.
:bananal:
Geno, Ill take a bunch ill be a test bunny poly carbonate is so strong, the melting factor alone is crazy (disabled firefighter) Ill use it in my next mod DB is working on getting some other things for me aswell....
@BoxGods...glad to see you're still around. You went off-radar for quite a while.
The polycarb fittings look interesting, you make some other fittings out of polycarb right? Ghost fittings IIRC.
maybe meaning dump heat from loop back out to case thus raising ambient temperature in the case itself (even water-cooled cases need good air-flow to cool other parts of the mobo, hdds, ram ,etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zehnsucht
Not sure if this is what he meant but it makes sense.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsaroth
who retails them?
I've never been able to justify the cost of compression fittings over normal barbs+zipties/wormdrives, if these really are significantly cheaper than the likes of TFC and Bitspower i'd definately be interested.
I would be afraid of over tightening and causing a crack. Still I wouldn’t completely dismiss the idea of polycarbonate fittings if they were thoroughly tested. As far as chemical reaction, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycar...ther_chemicals has a rough list. I can’t figure out where PT Nuke (benzalkonium chloride) and anti-freeze (ethylene glycol) fits in though.
maybe half the cost? as Geno said not a total replacement for metal compression fittings but an option if those are not possible or if you have a setup where they would work well. as I said before, we need TESTS to see how they work and perform (as we should for any fittings on teh market, would be nice to have reliability measures and have a massive barb/fitting shootout).Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
I do not factor price into my selection of components for the most part. Everyone has different budgets and project parameters.
I have enough gear to set up an outside loop and run them through some heavy duty testing if someone can point me to an area to purchase them, or someone that can send some for testing, give them a hardcore testing with some dual iwakis.
I dunno about these - I just think they look a bit ugly really...
lol how would those cut the tubing.... your being ridiculous trying to find fault in these, they look fine to me all around.
They might nick the tubing a little but they aren't deep enough to come close to actually cutting through the tubing. At worst just make a mark on the inside wall.
How is it going to cut through? I can see making a mark but the wall thickness is much thicker than that little line :shrug:
Intriguing . I would like to hear how durable they are b4 i try some. But i think its a good idea.
those are gold sample not actual production run.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaptCrunch
Disclaimer: I am friends with Geno who designed these and other products you have seen here. I am not connected to nor do I have relations with the company who will distribute them so any questions really should be directed to Geno including logistical questions.
The parting line is like everything else with photographs in that they are 20 times more obvious in a picture then in real life. Like when there are micro scopic hair line scratches in your paint that you cant see with your eyes but look like the grand canyon in pictures.
All but the most cynical person will actually be pleasantly surprised by how strong these are. No they are not as strong as steel would be but do they REALLY need to be? If you thread a metal fitting into a plastic reservoir do the steel threads somehow make the plastic threads stronger? The force required to reach in and grab a tube and yank it hard enough to break one of these poly carbonate fittings is enough that your video card or other PC components are going to break or come loose first.
Again, this is just an alternative for guys who want the ease of use that comes with compression fittings but don't want to break the bank.
And Yes metal fittings DO transmit heat into your case. Is it a lot? On a single fitting of course not, and even 12 or so in your case won't be a HUGE amount of heat being dumped, but it WILL be more then a plastic fitting. In a forum where guys go to xtreme measures to drop even 1 or 2 degrees it is not totally absurd to mention it...just mostly lol.
I like the SFF machines and there is so little case volume that I like to do everything I can to transmit heat out. To me that is one of the TRUE advantages to water cooling.
I been here playing with two new lasers lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Work Work Work is my motto. Also trying to squeeze in some modding time. I have been told the full production run on T3 is this coming Monday, and fittings shortly there after, so look for your review samples about the 3rd or 4th week of February.
I didn't forget lol.
haha, are there sharks involved with the lasers or kittens maybe? :D
No worries on the T3, was just wondering what caused you to go off-radar.
Hmmmm Very interested in these actually. Not for this build but for another one I am getting ideas scrambled together for. Trying to figure out if a LED can work in there somehow or EL wire. They look durable enough. Just wonder if the ring can hold compression on the tube good enough for a good pinch without breaking in my hand.
imageshack sucks.. it's crap.. i have to click stuff twice and open two windows to even display the image......... /endrantQuote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Photobucket.com is much better
I dont like that they did that as well :\Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonelmore
I have a 1 year account with them to host images but I think I will just start my own website soon for hosting and blogging instead
Know of any tools to grab all your imageshack pics with one click? I have so many pictures I would like to take from there then maybe host elsewhere. Maybe I should host my own and right my own interface to emulate what imageshack does (easy copy and past links and such).Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonelmore
I can't help you there. I've never used it. But maybe they offer a service like "Burn your albums to a CD" or something like that..
Check your messages...You have been PM'd!Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
your godly bandwith has a :banana::banana::banana::banana: cap tho db.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
wouldnt recomend it.
your blingness will eat all your bandwith.
This is a pet-peeve of mine. Imageshack does work fine just no one seems to give people the right links.Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonelmore
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8...geshackgr3.png
See now you can do this:
PIC
or
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8...m8h1nb3.th.jpg
Sorry for off topic.
Omg Hackers!!
Faster, your post needs to be broadcasted to everyone on XS that uses imageshack!!!!
Heh, glad I could contribute in some way. I have been using imageshack since it first came out since it was the best image hosting site that didn't require sign up. The options to direct link were made much more clear when it first opened but ever since they started with the ads they have obscured the option to the point of people not using it. Then people complain and it just annoys me since the option IS there.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
I always replace the IS link in the thumbnail link with the direct link, it's not particularly hard.
Back on topic. I'd have a bit more faith in machined delrin compressions, but I'd still have some doubts. There is always going to be some sort of inherited weakness where the threads meet the body, that's the spot every plastic fitting I had break on me broke (2x).
polycarb = LEXAN guys it's very tough stuff we used to bend sheet parts made from this in press Brakes, so i know it won't crack however being molded I'd be more concerned about the threads class of fit consistency.
Yeah it is tough, but it's not impervious. I had a milling cutter blow up in a Hurco BMC20 that I had replaced the windows in the doors ~4 months before and it broke the Lexan like cheap acrylic....and yes it was Lexan as it said so on the protective paper I pulled off. Boss wasn't happy that I used Lexan either as every time before they'd just thrown in cheap acrylic from HD, but they sort of shut up after the cutter incident because, even though the window broke, everything stayed inside the machine, which couldn't be said if they had used the cheap stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by fart_plume
Damn Rich, Where did you find those?
*sigh*
u guys also remember how much of a PITA it is to pull tubing off plastic.
oh wait not many of you guys grew up pre bitspower and EK.
I know :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
geno designed themQuote:
Originally Posted by V2-V3
Lets ask Swiftech Bitspower, and EK to make phase coolers.
:D
If they brought us this far, who knows what they can do in phase section.
Looks like an interesting product both from a price and aesthetic point, never felt compelled to by Bitspower fittings mainly for price concerns.
I'm not to concerned with the strength of the fitting, with the right design and type of plastic it will be plenty strong. I would wait for the initial test reports before crying WOLF ;)
The only part that I worry about is the outside of the compression fitting. Once the tubes warm they will expand slightly and I am wondering if you have them screwed on tight enough if that would cause a break. I would like to see someone test these out and see what it would take to cause a break on a loop. This way it would dispel fears if it took more then enough pressure then real world use.
The tube fits snugly enough but is not nearly as hard to remove as a typical James hardy plastic fitting (the basic white barbed kind). I don't even try to pull the tube off those, just cut it. As for tube expansion, it would have to expand a great deal to compress the tube beyond its elasticity/compressibility and the displaced material would tend to just move away from the compression ring--path of least resistance-- like a large firm breast...or a stress relief squeeze ball (aka same thing). I took some quicky images of one screwed onto a rez with a short length of LRT Black 1/2" ID I will post in a bit.
Can't wait. Sounds like you've been busy :)
OK...let's try this.
http://geno.boxgods.com/IMG_0078.JPG
http://geno.boxgods.com/IMG_0080.JPG
I was at the shipping desk and used that box cutter to lop off some LRT tube so of course the ends crooked lol.
The lighted tool free LED plug is in also (sans an LED obviously.
When I get a chance I will lock the tube into a bench vice and then duct tape 5 pounds onto the rez for those that mount their cases to the ceiling fan using the cooling loop lol.
The only problem is black tubing adds flow restriction.
those look super sexy, there will definitely be a market for them :up:
Seeee..... I had forgotten about that since I haven't used a plastic fitting in awhile, I usually just cut them out, which defeats the part of the appeal of compression fittings for easability.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
what? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Just to give the modders (I know you guys are more about the performance then modding but I am a modder lol) an idea of the potential a few images from EvilVision:
http://geno.boxgods.com/FM1opt.jpg
http://geno.boxgods.com/TC4opt.jpg
http://geno.boxgods.com/YC1b.jpg
The fittings and compression rings will EXACTLY match the tube color. They will also come in several solid colors and compression rings can be matched to anti kink coils. Mix and match to set your loop off or go stealth...
The best part for the performance only people is that the low radius L, Y, and True T are a lot less restrictive. Yes there will be a straight T of course also.
oooohhhh ... pretty. Can I get some pink ones?
Seriously ... I do think they look very nice, and I can certainly see some applications where these would be great. Before my last build, I googled all over to find some decent polycarb fittings for drains - chemical warehouses, medical supply sites, etc. Couldn't find anything reasonable. This looks intriguing.
Martin's tests showed the darker the tubing color the more restriction it add to the loop.Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Yeah, I been there scouring the net for fittings that don't look like ass or cost $30 for a T. I designed THREE different flow wheels, Large and short radius L, True T and Straight T, Parallel Y, a Bulkhead pass through, a fill port and a drain. There may also be lower diameter converters for the SFF guys like a 1/2" ID "Y" that splits into two 1/4" ID or 3/8" branches to keep the pressure up over two lower diameter lines. The entire goal is to have fittings for modders that give them a wider range of choices beyond the motor home plastic and hardware store brass we started with.
That must be why I can't pee as far as I used to...better quit the all over tanning I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
:wth: :zombie:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Link?
Those fittings above look sweet. Evilvision...ok are those renders or the real deal :p:
The first set are in production currently and those are pictures. The rest are tooling up (designs already approved and molds being made). You could buy a new car for what the tooling costs for just the first set so I guess they do them in stages. Glad it's not me paying for it.
EvilVision did the renders cause he is just bad ass with Maxwel =)
The fittings look amazing.
Geno is blowing up, i love this :banana::banana::banana::banana: man. Looking forward to the typhoon, ghost fittings and now these bad mamajammas.
I have a new word for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
POLY-CAR-BO-NATE: not to be confused with acrylic
people were very leery about the BP fittings as well. Only time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
if it pops hehe better pray god ur components dont get too wet :p
you better fix that sig before you get an infraction, no for sale adverts in signaturesQuote:
Originally Posted by hollaback04
wet components are just the true baptism for water-coolersQuote:
Originally Posted by hollaback04
lol what! that makes no sense in any engineering way. Please link me this amazing discovery that changes the way water flows simply by darkness of tubing. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
i actually think thats a great idea. OCZ made a pretty cheap phase change, Swiftech, EK, and Bitspower could make us some pretty good parts for either a DIY phase change, or some kind of complete unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chruschef
Isn't that like 3 years in the making? Is it even on sale yet?
haha they are on sale but the only way to get one is to have your retailer or yourself go pick it up from their warehouse. they dont ship it :p: (oh and its not even strong enough for a quad from what ive heard)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemon
dude all of those look AWESOME! :up: just beautiful cant wait to get my hands on one of those T blocks :D hopefully they should be out in a few months when I am going to be redoing my loops :D
seriously though why the attitude? if they work then great they look awesome but if they don't then you don't have to use them. You take such a fanboy stance on an unreleased product like its not even possible that they work. :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey