Evocade rev 2

i have copyed this here as its my lates project loads of images folow :)

well all i can say is i triped over in the workshop and look what happend :)

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and thanks to baz for the 1/2" pipe finnaly finished the hx with modded txv (untested yet)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image007.jpg

i just modded the base to fit the sanyo
cut the base and silversolderd on some bolt stub
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image010.jpg

it fits there nice and the oil sep fits between the to comps still :)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image009.jpg

got rid of that huge accumilator only benifit was it looked good
but it took way to much gas to get it to work right so i came up with this
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image012.jpg

shot from above with the 2 comps and oil sep in place
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filter ! thats it lol
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started to make the suction/retun line but felt i'll so came back in
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more done
1st stage is nearlly complete and its very very compact and tidy i think :)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image017.jpg

lagged
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hi and low side service port right where i can get them but sh*t the desuper heater pipes go there oh well i think of some thing
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image019.jpg
finished off the 1st stage tonight and vac'd it down.

some images
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image024.jpg

moded txv ready for testing
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sight glass soon went from yellow to green under vac and heat
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the txv bulb charge was @ 7bar but found it would not work well put it down to 2 bar and saw lower temps
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image031.jpg
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well as for mine load testing and charging of the 1st stage and txv bulb is complete (well im happy with it so far) temps may inprove with better lagging

heat loader straped to hx :)
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hx temps under 200w load un lagged
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bit more done but have run out of propain it will ahve to wait till tomorow now

degassed the a/c unkie dave give me :) thanks dave:p
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it all went white for a while :)
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striped the rest of the case away theres a 2 way valve in there i want to use to :)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image048.jpg

new comp in place
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image049.jpg

and made a new adapter for the oil return on the 2nd stage so i can fit a gage coupller to it
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image050.jpg


2nd stage is under way :)
anti vibration coil YEAH!! :)
hrrrmm the flash was really bright in this image lol
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edit add image
oil return and cooler :)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image054.jpg
anywho

barron came over today for some working's so i started up the 1st to show him :)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image060.jpg
then went on to complete the 2nd stage as much as i can do really till i get the new evap :(
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image061.jpg
the coil for the expantion tank was a bit wobbly as it had been used before so would not bend right
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image063.jpg

ahh just a couple of things i can do need to drill a hole in the hiside pipe to get a take off for pressure cut off and hiside mano
i might as well install the sution line and hotgas bypass and cap tube
:coffee:

Are you absolutely sure that that HX is leak free?

I don't like the fact that there have been a flame directly on the plates. That could have ruined the braze between the plates.

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Are you absolutely sure that that HX is leak free?

I don't like the fact that there have been a flame directly on the plates. That could have ruined the braze between the plates.

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yep im very sure
why would it be any diffrent from the way it was it did not hurt the 1st one i did :D
and the hx's are copper brazed copper melts @ 1083.4c silver solder melts @630-660°C

just done the last little bit till i get evap

hot gas cap installed
suction line and hi pressure connection for hp cut off and hiside gage

this was a git to do
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image064.jpg
hot gas tubey
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suction line
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image067.jpg

well its here
the evap arived
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image088.jpg
and a big thanks to duniek for the evap it got here quick :p
just need to get it on the cascade now :)

some time later :)

i just had to do somthig phaze this week end so i got the evap ready

drilled and cut for flow and return than sand blasted just to ruff the edges up
you can see i put a large feed pipe thru the side of the suction line in to the center of the evap ive just got to try and find the outer tube than braze it up
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image117.jpg

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and here with a bit of cleaning :)
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going up to sort out a 4ft sution line tomorow if the price is right :)
lapped and polished
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as i said on bt, love it!

Looks sweet!

On a side note:
Red Bull is the most disgusting energy drink ever. I dont understand how it got passed the FDA, tastes like used motor oil and cat urine.

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Looks sweet!

On a side note:
Red Bull is the most disgusting energy drink ever. I dont understand how it got passed the FDA, tastes like used motor oil and cat urine.

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Looks really nice :) .
Red Bull is fine but to expensiv :D .

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as i said on bt, love it!

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Looks sweet!

On a side note:
Red Bull is the most disgusting energy drink ever. I dont understand how it got passed the FDA, tastes like used motor oil and cat urine.

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Looks really nice :) .
Red Bull is fine but to expensiv :D .

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thanks guys :)
and red bull is great but it is exspensive..

and were back under way
last night i orderd a suction line
@Order Date: 11 February 2009 at 17:33:18
wow there quick its just come lol
had to cut the yellow plastic liner off but it rated @ "Maximum working 70 - bar, burst pressure - 280 bar" best £30 ive spent
oh got some more flux and solder as my flux got damp and causes cack joints well not cack they just look a mess :)
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right ive cut nut and thread off and fitted the evap and brazed it all up then repolished the evap face
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Looking good;)
This is what i was speaking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_hammer it applies to gases too

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Looking good;)
This is what i was speaking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_hammer it applies to gases too

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I think that also happens in lengthy suction lines? I remember a tech mentioning something about waves of oil bashing the compressors? Not positive but definitely not a fun sounding experience.

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thanks guys :)
and red bull is great but it is exspensive..

and were back under way
last night i orderd a suction line
@Order Date: 11 February 2009 at 17:33:18
wow there quick its just come lol
had to cut the yellow plastic liner off but it rated @ "Maximum working 70 - bar, burst pressure - 280 bar" best £30 ive spent
oh got some more flux and solder as my flux got damp and causes cack joints well not cack they just look a mess :)

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Not a bad way to go about doing things. I've considered the same route but I opted for brazing up my own lines instead. That however is much cleaner with the braided steel, I was never able to do it cleanly. Looking forward to seeing this up and running :up:

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Looking good;)
This is what i was speaking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_hammer it applies to gases too

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thanks quintus:)

also that link describes it as when a valve is shut down the line creating a pressure build up on the joint causing the fitting/joints to break

to my defence
this will not be applicable to this joint.
the system has already been pressure tested to over 25bar if there was a problem with the joint it would of burst during this test and the system has been run for about 4hours real time now with no sign of immediate problems also there is no shut off valve in the 1st stage apart from the txv that has mop and is never shut fully :)(and 55% silver solder on all the joints)

lol it may get change'd just for you tho quintus :) ive got to recover the 1st stage to do the modifcation to the condencer, there is a thread that no has replyed to lol so i,m gona make the changes anyway

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I think that also happens in lengthy suction lines? I remember a tech mentioning something about waves of oil bashing the compressors? Not positive but definitely not a fun sounding experience.



Not a bad way to go about doing things. I've considered the same route but I opted for brazing up my own lines instead. That however is much cleaner with the braided steel, I was never able to do it cleanly. Looking forward to seeing this up and running :up:

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well i was trying to get a company to make one but the costs were outragious
a 4ft long 3/8" line with 1/2" 50mm tails was £109 :shocked::shocked::shocked:

this is an lpg huckup of a traler/caravan
4ft long 1/2" line with some 1/2" bsp fittings all tig welded and ready to run £29 not includeding the shipping
:)
not long now going to do some work on it to night i plan to move the hx and mod the condencer and fit shut of valves to the captube sution line so it will be easy to change the captube lenth simmler to what baz did on cascade6 :)
i hope i did not patent it lol

and here it is :) just need to put a pipe on the end :)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image134.jpg

and now for something compltlly diffrent
well as there was 100's of replys in the condencer convertion thread lol (yeah right) i have done it it looks good
3 1/4" pipes in to 5/8" pipe reduced to 1/2"then 3/8" :) the joy i've had to Anneal the 5/8 to get it to form the right shape thats why its black in the image :)

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sand blasted the crap of the condencer ends
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lick of silver paint to tidy it up
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and this ones just for you quintus
since now i have got some where else to take a hi side port from i made some amendmets :)
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How did you pinch the ends of the 3 -> 1 piping

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How did you pinch the ends of the 3 -> 1 piping

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hey sexy :)
i just used plyers and a fat screw driver the pipe was soft due to annealing its kind of like a clover leaf shape
http://vivianpaige.files.wordpress.c...over_leaf1.jpg

right so after a while away from evocade
fixing 2 broken springs on my car
but today i decided to do a bit more to the cascade
my new expansion tank, ive found a nice little space right next to the 2nd stage compressor
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image180.jpg

hrrrm
2 hx's 2 txv's wonder how they would come in usefull
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hrrrm 2 oil seps and 3 compressors in one case what can it mean lol
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What gas is going into the 3rd stage?

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What gas is going into the 3rd stage?

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hey gomeler
not sure yet need to make sure i can get it all in the 2 hx's come close to the oil sep and the comp is close to the oil sep but i will need to fit a dsh (old vapo xe condencer) also

but the gas will be anything i can get my hands on for cheap lol :)

You live in the UK correct? There are a few cascade builders out there, I'm sure one wouldn't mind parting with a little R14 in exchange for cash.

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You live in the UK correct? There are a few cascade builders out there, I'm sure one wouldn't mind parting with a little R14 in exchange for cash.

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yep im in the uk :)
i'll have to ask but you might be right
theres other ways to get the temps but it means combing gasses :(

change of plan's due to not having any gas to put in a 3rd stage and found a big problem with the 4way valve that will cause issues as its only rated @-20 and the way it was piped in it would see some near -80c temps so have removed it (will have to send dave his pid back gutted!) but the changes are all good :rolleyes:

so its a 2 stager again lol (for now)

right first problem solved as i only have one cap tube going to the evap now i had to move the hot gas further back in to the system.
As you can see there's a strainer from the oil sep to the hx filtering any crap and a bit of a make shift inline acc - then the hot gas goes in before the filter but after the hx, this will be slower to respond but will do the same job as it has to clear the cap tube of liqued and so on.....
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image195.jpg


"he hee! you didn't think bubbles was a munky did yoall"
bubbles,, sight glass's are cool......
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image192.jpg

and the biggest update on evocade to date its got a name tag........... lol
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EvoCarlos I can see you are very mechanically inclined,your work and construction ideas are great.............But your mom didn't teach you to pick up after yourself, did she ??? :) LOL I don't know how you find your tools. :shrug:

You need a full time helper to clean up. :up:

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EvoCarlos I can see you are very mechanically inclined,your work and construction ideas are great.............But your mom didn't teach you to pick up after yourself, did she ??? :) LOL I don't know how you find your tools. :shrug:

You need a full time helper to clean up. :up:

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hey walt
nope i,m a right messy git i keep everything lol and you will love this pic

hrrrmm rich (barron) playing with his end in the bat cave lol

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...o/DSC02470.jpg

oh and rich is going to clean it all up but he dont know about it yet lol :)

LOL I bet Rich wears that bright jacket with reflective tape just when he enter the Bat Cave so if lost ,he has a BETTER chance of being Found. :D

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LOL I bet Rich wears that bright jacket with reflective tape just when he enter the Bat Cave so if lost ,he has a BETTER chance of being Found. :D

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Thats not far from the truth m8 :rofl:

It's an organised mess thou :up:

LoL playing with his end ....

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LOL I bet Rich wears that bright jacket with reflective tape just when he enter the Bat Cave so if lost ,he has a BETTER chance of being Found. :D

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it dont help tho once hes in there you cant find him lol

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LoL playing with his end ....

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its true thats all he did that day playing with his end :) j/k rich

and here it is up to now
so ive put 2.4m of 0.8mm captube on the exspation tank as thats all i had left but i rapped it round the exspantion tank and put srink tube over the top lol
you can see the tank feed is brazed in at the suction conection
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2.../Image0042.jpg
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fitted the hi pressure cut off at the back out of the way and piped it all in
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2.../Image0072.jpg
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then the suction line and evap lagged and taped
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captube 2.6m of 0.8mm
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some heat and vac'ing and purging
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got a new elec box today for £5 its got no rubbers on it like the last one and fit's in the spot better
also see the blue cable in the background this will be the new wiring for comps and solanoid problly
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2.../Image1082.jpg
3 caps for 1st 2nd and fan
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ahhhh dont they look sweet lol
i mean Dont they look MEAN MO fo's!!!!
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2.../Image1102.jpg

its under 100psi presure test as it took 20mins to get 100psi in thru the cap tube so thats all its having lol
will do some more tomorow charging and testing :)
thanks for looking
carl...

wow, the unit looks very nice.
good work guys. :toast:

hello

did a bit of wiring just need to get my glue gun out and fix ever thing still in the box
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image111.jpg

i have also added a hi side port as vacing thru the cap tube was no good
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image113.jpg

1st stgae running pressuers and temps its a bit in vac but thats fine once under load that will change :)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image114.jpg

and the evap temp as to now :) needs some more work yet tho
and the 2nd stage is just pure ethylene
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Nice :)

Very nicely done!!!

Nice job. What discharge pressures are you running on the 1st and 2nd stages? Can't make it out on the gauges.

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Nice :)

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thank you :)

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Very nicely done!!!

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thanks

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Nice job. What discharge pressures are you running on the 1st and 2nd stages? Can't make it out on the gauges.

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hey err they were
1st stage was 12bar
2nd stage was about 6bar
but i cant rember the esxact pressures i make them down next time i run the unit :)

did most of the finishing up today
i found out the fan blade that i bought a while back was a anticlockwize fan and the motor runs clockwize so it was pushing the air out of the case (not blowing on the comps)i try'd to run the motor in reivese but it just overheated so rich picked me up a new clockwize fan blade and boy it works well now :)

and 2nd stage is floped need to swap the comp for another one i think is just got to hot and caused some damage not sure on the oil content of the comp but it dont sound healty :(

anywho

doublebarrel wiring 1st and 2nd stage caps and fan cap with all switches wired in a nice little package all tested and working i have got to swap 2 wires on the back of the switchs as the 2nd stage can be started on its own atm so need to make it so it will only start after the 1st is on
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image149.jpg

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nice little blue plug from maplins :) i have got 4m of blue 3 core 20a cable to to match the plug
20a twist lock 3pin mains plug its great :)
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also made a bracket to hold the suction line safe and put the lid on to make sure it all fits :)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...2/Image126.jpg
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i´ve bought a 8 pin speakon plug but with 30€ they are realy expensive :D
so for power suply i would use a normal connector (the one we know from computer power supplys)

well, maybe i should also switch to the speakon plug for the power :D

Very nice wiring it can be such a pain to try and fit all the wiring into cramped boxes like that. Well done!!

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i´ve bought a 8 pin speakon plug but with 30€ they are realy expensive :D
so for power suply i would use a normal connector (the one we know from computer power supplys)

well, maybe i should also switch to the speakon plug for the power :D

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hey patrick
i use'd the 3pin psu mains lead on my vapo :)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...o/Image073.jpg

i did look at the speakon plug but i thought they would not be strong enuff for wat i was pulling thru them
the plug i have use is made by the same people but its made of mains voltage :) some info here

yeah you´re right.
i thougt they are both called speakon. but the speakon are for use in the hifi segment and the power-con are used for power.

the power-con is a very good looking idea.

thanks for the pdf ;)

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Very nice wiring it can be such a pain to try and fit all the wiring into cramped boxes like that. Well done!!

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thanks sdumper it took a few hours to do but the result was nice i thought

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yeah you´re right.
i thougt they are both called speakon. but the speakon are for use in the hifi segment and the power-con are used for power.

the power-con is a very good looking idea.

thanks for the pdf ;)

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np :)

pictures say a 1000 words and i dont feel like talking:(
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Holy smokes nice temps at 200w load, Are you evoloading it or is the second stage complete?

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Holy smokes nice temps at 200w load, Are you evoloading it or is the second stage complete?

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thats 1st stage temps pressures with 200w on evap after 1hour