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Coolermaster V10 CPU Cooler with build in 70W TEC
Price: a lot :)
Size: a lot :)
Weight: a lot :)
Release Date: Next few weeks...
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Simps
this thing was posted a couple days ago and ugly as sin I would take the TRUE over it in a second
yup posted... i want to see more stats though.
A TEC on my heat sink is sounding worth it now.
Anyone know when the V12 comes out? it looks way better than this one...
TRUE is not TEC cooler, so technically you can't compare V10 with TRUE
Of course we can compare. They are both aircoolers, and that is what matters. What you are saying, is just like saying you can't compare the TRUE with an old heatsink, because the TRUE has heatpipes, and the old one don't. Or saying that you can't compare TRUE with OCZ VENDETTA 2, because TRUE is not a HDT cooler like VENDETTA 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by illidan
They are all aircoolers, and YES, can and should be compared.
And believe me, if that coolermaster heatsink is not good, it won't be able to cool the hot side of the TEC, which will get HOT.
Coolermaster V12 might be the one to rule them all...Quote:
Originally Posted by EniGmA1987
We just need to wait a bit more.
http://www.dvhardware.net/news/cooler_master_v12.jpg
V10 is like an aircooler on steroids, and steroids aren't fair to people who don't use them to get an advantage
Don't go ridiculous. In sports for example there are rules. No steroids. That is what makes it unfair to the ones not using it.Quote:
Originally Posted by filthysanchez
There is no such rule on aircooling. The better it gets, the better for us.
TRUE users, please stop whining... This is a good thing, not a bad thing. And I am a TRUE user too...
Im looking forward to the v12 more then anything, i hope it comes out soon...
Is a 70w TEC enough to be effective? I guess we'll find out.
But no, it's not really fair to compare this to another air cooler. It's like comparing an air cooler to a water cooler - to use your logic, they do both ultimately use air to remove the heat from the system. What that misses out on though is the fact that the heat is removed from the source in a different way though - thanks to electricity rather than copper conduction (or water).
I'll agree that it's not really fair to compare the old-style coolers with heatpipe solutions, but it's so apparent that heatpipes have won (from day 1) that they are the new mainstream for air coolers. That has yet to be seen with TECs though, the added costs of construction and use make it seem much less likely.
Edit: That all being said, I agree that if you're going to compare it anywhere it'll have to be here due to the simplicity of the system if nothing else. If we had a forum about air-cooled TEC products that would obviously be best, but as that's unlikely to ever be the case...
LOL about people crying... I don't even know if it will beat the TRUE. Probably will, but we need to wait for reviews. Everytime a new thing comes, there are a lot of people that rejects and find a way to say negative things about it.
This is a good evolution, and we users, will be the ones enjoying it.
It is as if those TRUE users don't want anything better to come arround LOL, so they can still have the best solution. Now that is one bad egoistic way to think about things.
If the V12 uses the same fan that comes as stock on the V8 then not only will it offer great cooling it will also be the quietest component in your rig.
I think the V10 looks really special though and it looks like the TEC only kicks in at certain temperatures from the bumph on the back of the box. I also like how there is a fan positioned over the memory sticks as it will add a bit of extra cooling there (unless of course you have some of the thermalright heatsinks on your memory.)
I also don't think the V10 looks ugly at all I'd say it looks far nicer than a TRUE (cept maybe the CU one I think those look pretty sweet.) But at the end of the day a CPU cooler isn't about looking pretty, its about offering good cooling performance. And hopefully Coolermaster can build upon the already great V8 and offer some better CPU cooling solutions. Then if we are lucky they may turn their attentions towards GPU's.
Dethroned and without a tec :D Ok so i cheated with cold air. But is about as fair a comparison......
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Wow, its funny how the people getting mad at this cooler, are the ones with "TRUE" written on their signature. Pretty obvious and funny :)
there is no crying :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
TEC is different cooling solution just like water, or phasechange, or air cooling.
if u put a vent and fins to cool down hot plate, u can't say that it's a air cooler, right? just like if u put WB u can't say that it's a water cooling :)
Pretty slick. That TEC is going to dump a ton of heat into the case when it kicks in though, which likely happens most often at the same time the sytem's GPUs are also at max heat (gaming).
Also a pisser about not being able to access the ram without removing the cooler.
Will be fun to see tested, the temps might be worth the gripes.
Hey don't worry, maybe it will be possible to turn the TEC off, and then just see how the heatsink perform? Lets just hope it won't still beat the true like that, or some people here would starting crying again, since there won't be any arguments?Quote:
Originally Posted by illidan
How loud is this?
I have a TRUE Lying around I should do some test with a 120 watt TEC see what happens the point about this cooler is the size and shear ugliness of it as to why I would take a true
Just wondering, if I got this
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/24...tl=g30c105s187
and put the cold side to my cpu and then put my IFX-14 over the hot side would that help my temps much?
Lol just when i got the v8 the v10 comes out, oh well! I am limiting the size of fat heatsinks in my case! this one is way too big and ugly v8 still looks best imo
No. That is a 250W TEC, and even the best heatsink wouldn't handle that heat well. That TEC would perform poorly under aircooling. You need a good waterblock on that thingy. And even so, an overclocked quad at 1.45v can generate about 220W of heat, so that TEC wouldn't handle a quad very well. Even with a waterblock over it, it might be just better to just place the waterblock directly on your CPU and forget about the TEC. I am talking about full load temps... On idle, that TEC would bring your cpu to 10C or less. But under load, the heat would be too much, and it would perform bad, and your temps would reach about the same temps you would reach without the TEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatguy1992
Now, there are some 400W TEC's that would keep your quad on sub 20C during load. But to cool 400W on the hot side of the TEC, you would need a chiller. And then again, if you put the chiller directly into the CPU, you might get similar results.
That is the problem of the Peltiers, and that is why they are not so recomended. I am curious to see how this V10 with a 75W TEC will do.
Thanks for the info.
I won't get one, I have single stage phase change coming soon anyway :D
Yeah, phase is a more expensive, but much much MUCH better solution.
TRUE+LAPPED+washer mod+2 120mm SCYTHE 133cfm
with this configuration true is the best air cooler .. ;)
If this thing didnt beat the TRUE it would be sad I mean it is the size of a small person. It could cool like 100 computers at once.
Lol!
I would get it, if it was affordable, I don't mind the look, it would fit in my case
man that is 1 cool looking unit !
but the price is going to be the killer :D
for me tec's are the future :D
So wheres the reviews saying that it beats the TRUE?
TEC =! air-cooling EOD
heck, there's even a diff forum sub-section for TECs, its 'that' diff :rolleyes: :owned:
pure speculation by OP :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Demo
Buying a TRUE today is like lottery. Some are good, but many are like a big expensive version of intel stock HS, pure crap.
couldnt find a review just spec. 2.65 lbs !
Model RR-B2P-UV10-GP
CPU Socket Intel LGA1366 & 775, AMD 754/939/940/AM2
Dimension (L) 9.32 x (W) 5.11 x (H) 6.36 inches
or
(L) 236.5 x (W) 129.6 x (H) 161.3 mm
Weight 2.65 lbs
Heat Sink Material Cu base, AL fin, 10 heatpipes
Heat Pipes Dimensions 6mm
Fan Dimension (L) 4.73 x (W) 1.00 x (H) 4.73 inches
or
(L) 120 x (W) 25 x (H) 120 mm
Fan Speed 800~2400 R.P.M
Fan Airflow 90 CFM (max)
Fan Air Pressure 2.94mm-H2O
Bearing Type Rifle Bearing
Fan Life Expectancy 40,000 hours @ 25 Celcius
Fan Noise Level (dB-A) 17 dB-A (min)
Connector 4-Pin
Fan Control PWM
Operation Temperature 25 ~ 70 Celcius
Power 70W (max)
Rated Current 9.8A (max)
UPC Code 884102003295
V10 looks aggg
V12 looks waaay better, at least lets you enjoy the rest of the motherboard/case if you have a windowed case.
Oh well, Im already in the process of wc :D
Since you prefer pretty hardware, may i suggest this heatsink. Oh look its so cute...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzfest05
http://www.techdarling.com/btf901.jpg
I guess a user will either like the V10 or hate it but for me, I'm split down the middle based on all the information I've seen & read from the beta testers who did test the V10 back in December. I will wait for some reviews before giving the V10 a :up: or a :down:
Thats a little to big though. What wa the difference between a TRUE and this load temp wise?
I was at Cooler Master's VIP party during CES and they (a rep and an engineer) said the V12 is just a concept and it won't be coming out as a full release cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klarko
i thought this thing was already out?
either way... you can compare TEC to air, just like comparing water to air. not an apples to apples but none the less, the TRUE would be considered the best value, this thing coming in at $100, if it were to beat the TRUE by 10c at full load consistently then i would say it would take the crown of best value. however, i'm guessing these coolermaster things will be pure crap in terms of performance. the workmanship on the heatsinks and heatpipes especially looks like you gave a 3rd grader a 5ft section of copper pipe and a blowtorch and told them to bend it all up. looks like garbage. my money is on the TRUE. that tiny TEC with that horrible heatsink design will surely fail under any quad core load.
Has anyone done an unbiased comparision between the true and the V8? I've seen several reviews recently that show the V8 beeting the true by a degree or two. The title of this thread is True got beated.
Not looking forward to the price...
ugly huh? for all those hours you spend looking inside your computer case eh :ROTF:.
Oh yeah and they dont make windowed cases that was just a stupid comment im sorry. They make windowed cases for a reason and people use led fans and cathodes and things to make their case look good while performing exceptional Ill take performance over looks anyday but if I can have them both I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craftyman.
TRUE and im not even air cooling
I was at the cooler master party and the V12 is a concept. It may or may not be released in the future. We have to wait and see and the V10, 40% of the heat pipes is cooled by the TEC and the other 60% is cooled the old fashion way so it is very easy to compare it to the true as the TEC isn't cooling the CPU solely but adding a performance boost to what is guaranteed to be an amazing cooler. It is huge yes, but what everyone fails to realize is that cooler masters problem has always been with fans. When you buy a True you can put any fan on it but your stuck with what cooler master supplies. That alone should not put the true in the same market as then we are saying it is sold as a passive heat sink. Replace the fan on a V8 with the same fan you would put on a true and then compare the 2. I can guarantee the V8 will kill it any day.
RAGE detected!
How I detected it?
Ok, the person above is saying the V8 can beat the TRUE when the same
fans are used in both coolers.
Now lets look at his signature, and see what is the cooler he is using.... Ahh!! He is using a V8!
"If I bought it, it should be the best, right?"
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Originally Posted by [cTx]biglipzit
so true :D
I didn't buy it or choose it. It was a review sample. You can go and read the review in the extreme forum reviews. I only spoke from what I heard and was told by the cooler master techs at their party. No rage here. I am a watercooling/phase guy lol.
Hey no problem man. We forgive you LOL!
I love XS too much hahahhaa
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...highlight=trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Simps
That was a nice read STEvil, thanks.
From the results he achieved on a dualcore, it is very possible that system would be able to handle a quad moderated overclocked. But there are 2 large TEC's and 2 TRUE's there. But it might be possible, only if he tests it on quad we would know. On a high overclocked quad, it would fail.
I have played with TEC's before, and I can say, that system holded a low temp on the cold side, because the load of a 45nm dualcore at that vcore and 4GHz is still very low. Once you go increasing the load on the cold side, the TEC will be losing its efficiency very fast. Meaning the hot side needs to be cooled better, or the system will get out of control, and perform worst then the same system without the TEC's. On a quad at 1.6V and 4.5 - 5GHz, things are much different, the heat of the CPU is twice more, and the TEC's fails miserably with cooled with air, no matter what cooler. No aircooler would handle the hot side well, to keep the TEC on the efficiency part of the chart.
If there is no load, you can cool a 2000W TEC with air if you want.
With little load (heat) of a 45nm dual core at 4GHz or so, you can still cool the TEC with air, as that link showed.
But you start raising that load (heat), and you will see how fast the TEC will lose efficiency. And the only way to get it back, is to keep the hot side closest to ambient as possible. And aircooling won't be able to do it, at a certain point.
I say it is impossible to cool TEC's with aircoolers, and use them on high overclocked quads. We are talking about 250W - 300W load from CPU + the TEC load which can be arround 200W LOL! No way to do it with air.
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Simps
wow people seriously stop whinging...
look if you want this buy it... it may beat TRUE if it does then fair does
if you want to stick to TRUE then fair does do that.
Why :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about something like this lol kinda sad... fanboi isk?
There's a link to an IFX14 with TEC on quad in that thread I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
The point is it is doable, but the efficiency is poor.
I had one of those, great little cooler. Loud bugger though, but other than that it was great.Quote:
Originally Posted by shabby
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Originally Posted by Simps
cut out along post out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Jimbo
do people reach 4.2ghs on air with I7 ?
that's 10 watts for every 100mhz
Phenom II looks to be 8.75 watts for every 100mhzQuote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
lastly I had a phenom 9850 dumping out heat on my sunbeam CCF in fact the heat sink got up to 41C. right now with phenom II 940 I haven't seen it go above 33C. with the same volts as the 9850.
the old phenom 9850 used a lot more power just for 3.0ghz because I needed 1.4875 volts. (vista 64 bit)
god will you just let the stuff go....o you true users blah blah blah.....stop talking about it if u dont like it....u dont need to spam everytime u see a post u dont likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Simps
Some are over 4.6 on air.Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
290 watts of cooling on AIR! :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
I don't know if that's max volts or now on I7. I know for phenom II it's above what AMD stated as max on air.
I think the TRUE is probably one of best out there. But you need to lap it, and washer mod it to get to that point. Its amazing its been this good for so long.
Ive seen the reviews of the Thermal Lab Baram. Looks to be very similar to a TRUE overall, even showing good improvements using 2 fans. I wish they would get some in the US to buy. Id give it a shot.
I do want to see some results for the new Xigmatek Thors Hammer. 7 heatpipes, 4 8mm 3 6mm. Looks like a winner. Can handle 2 fans. May be the next best thing.
I dont care for the looks of the V10. Somewhat stupid looking IMO. The V8 is a decent air cooler, but huge is the word.
would it be possible to lap down the contact area, until you get a heatpipe direct touch?
You can get to almost HDT...but it'd take you awhile :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chruschef
How loud is this monster?
All V10 numbers are being withheld until embargo is lifted :S
That's just not fun at all :(
The V-10 is amazing!!! Makes me think that we reaching the limits of air cooling...I mean, carbon nanotubes and 200cfm fans aside, there is not much room for improvement.
The limit isn't reached until watercooling is matched :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Malk4vi4n
Well water can hold a lot more heat than air...so that won't really happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Though I feel air is closer to that "limit" than water is to it's own prescribed limit.
one belt sander to go please! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Watercooling is just another method of moving thermal energy into the same environment aircoolers dump heat into :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by tool_462
The basic reason it's more efficient is because of the general lack of size limitations for the radiator and because you can use forced flow in the tubing rather than the passive heatpipes we have in HSFs. :yepp:
Someday though....it'll all collapse into basically the same performance envelope (radiator size in aircooling will probably end up being the bottleneck that keeps it from being totally equal) :)
Totally agree. This is one smart guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
When will we start seeing some V10 #'s? I am not sure if there was a date indicated when people could start posting them.
thanks,
Eddie
Few numbers for the V10 that people might find interesting:
41, 140
(day of the year it launches, MSRP in USD)
But is it possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by VaporYou can get to almost HDT...but it'd take you awhile :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chruschef
I may try it with my TRUE, sanding it down to the heatpipes.
140? that isnt too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
hmm. i might have to get this :)
HDT heatpipes are specially made heatpipes...but you could take down the base of the TRUE to withing probably 1mm of the heatpipes and not have to worry about structural damage when you mount it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Salavat23
Yeah, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
I could sand down most of the base until the heatpipes are visible, but I am afraid they will fall out because there is no glue (or some other substance) holding them to the rest of the base.
They're soldered in :)
I don't know if the TRUE's heatpipes are as physically strong as HDT heatpipes though...too much pressure on one when you go to mount it and it might break, that'd be my worry (though it's probably not valid).
Well no one has tried it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
I'm very curious for the result.
Pre-order yours today!
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/85..._Feb_10th.html
Nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by werty316
If i do get one im takin out those red led fans though :down:
Throw some low rpm s-flex's in it. Nice and quiet :D
wow 130!!!!! i can get a recertified complete water cooling setup in thermaltake for 100 bucks
TT WC = epic failQuote:
Originally Posted by lkiller123
I'd rather the V10 w/TEC :yepp:
at this price it sure better beat 'normal' TRUE - & @ this price it better be darn close/equal to TRUE-Cu
Even if it comes close to a TRUECu....it has to compete in terms of value with a Mugen 2 that's $100 less expensive...Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9647/teaserdi4.png
Minor test details (this is just a teaser), that's a lapped and washer modded TRUECu vs. a stock Mugen 2. <1900RPM is an S-Flex G (or 2) and at ~2950RPM is an Ultra Kaze 3000 (or 2). Average of three mounts for each. dT = Average loaded temp minus average ambient temp over a 10 minute span of sustained load via OCCT. QX6700 running at 8x400 with 1.45v loaded :)
Vapor, that QX6700 at high volts, would be the PERFECT cpu to test those high end aircoolers. That is one moster cpu in terms of heat. You know that, I am sure. No newer cpu can't put that kinda stress to the heatsink without chip killing volts. People testing this high end coolers with 65W quads, and dual cores, are clueless. With these low heat chips, the results can be just random.
I hope you can get a V10 soon, and make a direct comparison with that QX6700, between V10, TRUEcu, TRUE, MUGEN2 and other goodies if possible. But the V10 x TRUEcu is obviously the most awaited one.
And please, use Panaflo's 38mm on the review if possible.
To be honest, if you do this kinda review, I won't need to look into any other review of these coolers. This would be the perfect comparison.
I probably won't be getting a V10, too expensive considering its lack of usefulness for me. Only reason I got a TRUECu, other than its inherent improvement over a TRUE, is because I could just plop it on a board with no mounting bracket and it was heavy and compact enough to maintain good to great contact :)
And no Panaflos...not suited for HSF testing :down: Not enough RPM range is the biggest reason (IMO, it really helps both testing quickness and the usefulness of interpolation if you use the same fan for as much of the RPM range as possible), the other is that by now it's an atypical fan to find in systems--even the L1 is too loud for most people's tastes. A lot of HSFs these days also somewhat abandon support for 38mm thick fans :( (Mugen 2 is one of them)
I'll be adding to and fully fleshing out this review over time, each HSF takes about 1.5-2 days to test if I dedicate all my free time to it :eek: On the bench right now is a S1284EE :)
I'll always recommend looking at all well-done reviews, the more data points the better considering the inherent variation in HSFs :)
the mugen 2 looks good!!!! looks like ill be replacin the s1283 soon. awaiting ur reviews
ULGY ??
I love it no matter ifs not the best cooler!
Its a nice piece of design in my eyes!
^ Interesting results, Vapour. Look forward to your full results
Mugen 2 is a steal of a deal for $40-50
Thanks Vapor for a review. Was the pushpull on Mugen2 using 2xslipstream or 2xUltra Kaze fans ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
My temperature dropped by good 4C on load with two fans (stock slipstream & ultra kaze 2k) on adjacent sides.
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Originally Posted by icecold316
It tells you right under the graph :)
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<1900RPM is an S-Flex G (or 2) and at ~2950RPM is an Ultra Kaze 3000 (or 2)
That is what confused me. Since Mugen 2 was not tested under 3000 RPM or in short beyond 2k rpm. Was the ultra kaze 3k RPM used in testing.Quote:
<1900RPM is an S-Flex G (or 2) and at ~2950RPM is an Ultra Kaze 3000 (or 2)
Nevermind, finally understood the meaning of it.
Mugen 2 doesn't include clips that work with 38mm fans so I didn't bother putting the UK3s on it :shrug: