The new Scythe Mugen 2 vs Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme-1366

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Five sectors with five heat pipes in "U" @ 6 mm diameter ,with the sizes 130X100X158mm the cooler has a mass of 870gr(with fan) and the new Scythe Mugen2 promise to be up to 10% better than the legendary Infinity and he works in socket Intel 478, LGA 775/1366 and AMD 754/939/940/AM2/AM2+.
For Nehalem plataform you need to remove the original back-plate and replace with the Mugen's back-plate and for noobs like me it will take ages to disassemble and replace :rofl:

Well ,how good is this beast?Can it beat the TRUE though?

Scythe Mugen2 vs Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme-1366

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Methodology
Please keep this in mind when looking at the results.
the room temperature was measured at 25C for all tests, but temp fluctuations, different mounting and user error can account up to 1-3C of inaccuracy in the obtained results.
System was stressed by running 4 x orthos for 20mins the CPU temperature was measured with Coretemp and lowest (idle) and highest(load) value recorded.
enjoy :)

Onto the test results
Scythe Mugen2 stock fan vs TRUE 1366 stock fan
Intel Core I7 @ 3700MHz (1.336v)
Room temp 25c


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Scythe Mugen2 120x120x38 @ 102CFM vs TRUE 1366 120x120x38 @ 102CFM
Intel Core I7 @ 3700MHz (1.336v)
Room temp 25c

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Scythe Mugen2 120x120x38 @ 102CFM vs TRUE 1366 120x120x38 @ 102CFM
Intel Core I7 @ 3700MHz (1.272v)
Room temp 25c

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Mugen2 can not beat the overpriced(USD100.00+ in JP) TRUE-1366 but considering the Mugen2’s cooling performance, the price in Japan of just $54.00 makes it a fair deal.

thx for reading

woah those pictures are huge but thanks :)

Looks like TRUE-1366 is still reigning supreme!

Interesting...

Any multi fan test?

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Interesting...

Any multi fan test?

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+1

I'd like to see how much that changes idle & load temps.

The scythe is not a bad buy at all considering the 2C difference, at least lets hope so. As long as it stays under 60 USD, its good.

good review
once mugen is good a price
looks like it'll be the buy with the proc next year

the fact that you can put fans on any part of the cooler makes it a good cooler for am2 systems which can only mount in one position.

three out fans and one intake fan. sound like fun.

i wonder if that would actually work out tho. the fans might just end up countering each other out.

Was the TRUE lapped?

i use sythe mine and i can tell you sythe coolers are very good +1 when i upgrade mudgen 2 for me i think.

I'm a fan :cool:

Grande PcCI2iminal, pensei q ia nos deixar assim com essa breve sumida sua...como sempre belo post....

Abs
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thank you guys

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woah those pictures are huge but thanks :)

Looks like TRUE-1366 is still reigning supreme!

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yep Thermalright still untouchable ^^

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Any multi fan test?

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not yet :)

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i wonder if that would actually work out tho. the fans might just end up countering each other out.

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i don't know about 4 fans but 2 fans are a bit better than 1

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I'm a fan

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+1 hehehehe

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Grande PcCI2iminal, pensei q ia nos deixar assim com essa breve sumida sua...como sempre belo post....

Abs
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valew-thanks

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2 fans in, 2 fans out ;)

Imagine a pure copper one :rolleyes:.

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Imagine a pure copper one :rolleyes:.

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I imagine a hammerhead.....


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Wow, the TRUE120ex is that expensive there in japan ? and i thought the $66 i payed for it was very expensive

Scythe Mugen 2 on ebay sells for $37 + $16 ship.

I wonder how will Scythe Mugen 2 will compare with Xigamtek 1283 or 1284?

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Scythe Mugen 2 on ebay sells for $37 + $16 ship.

I wonder how will Scythe Mugen 2 will compare with Xigamtek 1283 or 1284?

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that would be interesting, price-wise.......

I think Jab-Tech has it for roughly the same price...probably lower shipping too :shrug:

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good review
once mugen is good a price
looks like it'll be the buy with the proc next year

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Xigmatek and CO. will probably release awesome bang for the buck HDT coolers for this socket soon.

As I can see new Infinity has a higher fins density than its elder version, doesn't it?
Could you test it in the case?

Good deal, glad to see people putting things to the test like this. Looks like the TRUE is still a better choice if you're willing to pay more.

I think you can get Infinity, one more fan for it and probably you'll get the same perfomance as TRUE.

can you test it again but now with push-pull for both coolers and in addition 3 or 4 fans on scythe. Then you really know which is best. And after that all a final test with both lapped.

Excelent tests.

Parabéns, rapaz :)

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As I can see new Infinity has a higher fins density than its elder version, doesn't it?
Could you test it in the case?

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not now ,cz i have no spare case but in March i will update my main pc, an old and truted LGA775 for a Nehalem system and then i will use that Mugen2 and of course i will test it

and ok guys the next will be 2 in and 2 out vs True @ 1 in and 1 out

Is the mounting easy on this thing? That new mounting system looks pretty neat. Wonder if its worth changing my old Infinity

Funny, I just finished reviewing the Mugen 2 and my comparison to the true shows the complete opposite of your tests:confused:

The review is in Dutch but you can see the graphs here

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Funny, I just finished reviewing the Mugen 2 and my comparison to the true shows the complete opposite of your tests:confused:

The review is in Dutch but you can see the graphs here

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It's not funny, this is called physics. :D

A few minor differences in the test setups and the heatsinks themselfs and they perform differently. Perhaps your TRUE's base was not as flat as PcCI2iminal's. Or his CPU's IHS and the TRUE's base matched better etc. ...
The list goes on.

The thing is: The results are very close. Within a range of a few degrees. So, it's quite easy to get different results. ;)

Why do so many people here like to explain TRUE's loose to other heatsinks by the imperfection of its surface? No doubt, it'a a really great cooler, but there're also many other heatsinks which can perform as well as U120 eXtreme do. For example, a new Thermolab Baram. It can beat the TRUE and even if there's temperature difference it will not be more than 2 degree. But Baram is cheaper, its base is well polished and there's no need to improve it.

I saw the test where SI-128SE beated TRUE in case, but TRUE performed better on the opened stand.

IFX-14 can also outperform Ultra 120 eXtreme (I know about Vapor's comparison of TRUE, TRUE Cu and IFX-14, but actually the results seem to me a little strange).

Anyway the choice is yours, but for price/performance criteria TRUE isn't the best anymore if it was it at another time.

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Why do so many people here like to explain TRUE's loose to other heatsinks by the imperfection of its surface? No doubt, it'a a really great cooler, but there're also many other heatsinks which can perform as well as U120 eXtreme do. For example, a new Thermolab Baram. It can beat the TRUE and even if there's temperature difference it will not be more than 2 degree. But Baram is cheaper, its base is well polished and there's no need to improve it.

I saw the test where SI-128SE beated TRUE in case, but TRUE performed better on the opened stand.

IFX-14 can also outperform Ultra 120 eXtreme (I know about Vapor's comparison of TRUE, TRUE Cu and IFX-14, but actually the results seem to me a little strange).

Anyway the choice is yours, but for price/performance criteria TRUE isn't the best anymore if it was it at another time.

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As you clearly referred to my posting above, you seem to have misunderstood what I wanted to say.

Did I say that the TRUE will always be superior? :shrug:

The point is the following:
-the TRUE is an amazing heatsink design with a very poor base finish in most cases
-BUT there are lots of other really great designs out there, like for example this new MUGEN 2 that perform just as good

What I said is that they all perform so good that it is hard spot a real measurable difference. You could repeat the tests 10 times and maybe in at least 50% of the tests you would have a different winner than in the one before. Most likely due to some circumstances that influenced the results. Once the results get very close, the margin of error begins to play a really important role. :up:

Well, actually I was not referring to your post. Any comparison with TRUE where it looses makes people think about how good base of the TRUE was.

Each HSF is different....I bet if you bought 10 Mugen2s and 10 TRUEs, you'd get a pretty wide range of performance :p:

Then it's necessary to test not less than 10 same heatsinks and get an average result...

Or just have a lot of people do the tests and have a cumulative conclusion :)

Each data point is valid...more data points are more valid though :p:

Anyway... If there was standards for testing heatsinks :)...

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Anyway... If there was standards for testing heatsinks :)...

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Like what? :confused:

Room temperature, case, amount of blowing in/out fans in it, thermal compound, etc...

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Room temperature, case, amount of blowing in/out fans in it, thermal compound, etc...

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And who would pay the people conducting the tests to be able to apply to all these standards?

I'm sorry but you are getting kinda unrealistic.
You should keep in mind that the enthusiast market is not the part of the IT market where most of the money is made.
It may have come a long way and now each and every idiot claims to be able to "build" a computer and understand how it works. However, this doesn't mean that it's as important as to introduce standards for heatsink testing for example.

BTW, if you have a bit of background knowledge in the field of physics/engineering and such, you should be able to decide on your own which tests seem reliable and which are not. I really really doubt that we ever will see any kind of standards or something in that range for enthusiast only sections like extreme air-cooling.

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BTW, if you have a bit of background knowledge in the field of physics/engineering and such, you should be able to decide on your own which tests seem reliable and which are not. I really really doubt that we ever will see any kind of standards or something in that range for enthusiast only sections like extreme air-cooling.

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There're not so many people who describe test conditions. Most of all just write about hardware and room temps.

I put a smile in the end of my post, so the idea of making test standards wasn't serious.

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There're not so many people who describe test conditions. Most of all just write about hardware and room temps.

I put a smile in the end of my post, so the idea of making test standards wasn't serious.

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Sorry, didn't notice that. Anyway, it would be nice to have those standards, as it would be nice to be rich and famous and all that. :ROTF:

I just doubt that it'll happen any time soon, at least to me. :D

And if the testers don't describe all the needed facts to make their work trustworthy, you could always ask for the missing info. If they don't have the data, then you know that you perhaps shouldn't really trust their results. Quite easy, isn't it. :up:

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Quite easy, isn't it.

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Let it be so.

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There're not so many people who describe test conditions. Most of all just write about hardware and room temps.

I put a smile in the end of my post, so the idea of making test standards wasn't serious.

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well its not a fully review and thats why i posted at air cooling section and not in review section but you right more information is always better

well ,Scythe is a good and trusted sink maker(i love Scythe) and for daily use the Scythe can match the great sinks on market but when I need to push hard and under heavy load the only good for me is TRUE ,he is untouchable under heavy OC

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QX9650 @ 4ghz Thermalright IFX14

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Did you try to overclock it under TRUE?

True Cu Vs Mugen 2 on Intel Core 2 Duo E8600@4GHZ

http://www.pc-experience.de/wbb2/thr...threadid=28437

After seeing the stats from above link, I am very happy with my purchase of Mugen2. I will be installing my Mugen 2 today on my I7 rig.

My Mugen 2 just got here :cool:

My old HSF testbed was visited by the Grim Reaper though :( So it may be awhile before I get data up as I rebuild a useful database of results.

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Did you try to overclock it under TRUE?

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yep ,Mugen2 is good enough for most of us and of course you can put some extra fans but in same conditions the TRUE can hold the situation a bit better than Mugen2 and the situation what im talkin about is Care i7 @ 4400MHz+ @ full load ;)

PcCI2iminal, thanks for reply.
Are you going to test Thermolab Baram? I read one review, but as we found out the more the better.

Mugen2 has the worst mounting system I've ever used....:shakes:

It's more than okay for someone who will install it and forget it....but for me, who is constantly swapping HSFs, it's beyond horrible. Especially since I have temp probes placed onto my board that I'd really rather not have move at all (since I use them for temp logging for HSF comparisons).

I understand why it was done--there's no way to set it down and be able to screw it down because of its size. Doesn't make it any less painful though :rolleyes:

I'm definitely buying the Baram when it comes out, looks like a fun heatsink :up:

The 1st Mugen also has a terribile mouting system... I remember FCG's guide for modification of it :).

I'm actually a huge fan of pushpins :sofa:

So easy to get it on and off in seconds and it has uniform pressure :up:

Though the pushpins that came with my Xigmateks were crappy quality and broke pretty quickly. My Infinity that I bought before it came out (I asked a few retailers when they were getting it and one offered to have one dropped shipped to me before launch :p: ) still has its pushpins in fine condition (I think at least--it's at a friend's place right now).

I'm actually working on a push-pin mounting system for my TRUECu....not for a vertical system, just for the horizontal bench :up:

Scythe Mugen 2 with Stock Fan on I7. I wasnt able to find a ziptie to use Ultra Kaze 2000 on it and the clips that came with Mugen2 doesnt support 38mm fan

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Vapor, you're lucky with that pushpins. Mine were not good for installation. I even couldn't lock the last pushpin. I changed them for the screws. It's also was some difficult to install Infinity on the motherboard with them, but it has much more pressure.

was TRUE lapped in this review ?

Two identical heatsinks may NOT perform the same way.

Besides the mounting issues with some TRUE's or lapping, etc, I had two XP-90's years ago, and the second XP-90 had 5C *lower* temps than the first one. And it had nothing to do with mounting (i probably remounted those things over 10 times), although I think I used AS2 and later 3 as AS5 wasn't out yet.
Explanation from someone (here or ocforums) said it was probably a faulty heatpipe. If that's the case, than it's easily possible that this can happen with TRUEs and other heatsinks as well.

I had come from a SLK-947U (i forgot..was this copper?) and I remember the "bad" XP90 giving lower temps (5c?) over that...

Good to see Scythe back on top, or at least close to it. I miss my Ninja rev.A, poor thing is sitting in my HTPC.

Got my mugen 2 and gotta say it really impressed me.
Base was really that flat and shiny! Though that was something reviewers only would get.
Still testing, first i didnt notice that the fan was not connected but it was runnig so cool anyway =))

Who will compare Baram and Mugen 2?

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Nope :)

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Who will compare Baram and Mugen 2?

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Surely depends on if/when Baram becomes available :cool:

Base was not flat on my mugen!

Thank you for review PcCI2iminal :up:

i like the back-plate design from scythe it looking to strong but few don't like for holding heatsink with bolt from back-plate because it'll little difficult on one guy installing :p:

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Thank you for review PcCI2iminal :up:

i like the back-plate design from scythe it looking to strong but few don't like for holding heatsink with bolt from back-plate because it'll little difficult on one guy installing :p:

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Best way is placing cooler on desk and placing MB onto it.

Yeah, lap that TRUE and I bet you'll get some VERY different results. I would speculate a difference close to 3-5C at load, if not more. A well-lapped TRUE is still untouchable.

Go Thermalright!

I'm getting my mugen 2 tmr, will post my thoughts once i'm done, my question is, it seems the mugen 2 requires u to take off the original backplate of the 1366 socket, will this void my motherboard warranty? if so it sounds like a terrible design.....

So i installed my mugen 2, i'm running at 20x165 at 1.168vcore (set at 1.2 in bios, in windows reads 1.168) anyways on prime my temps go up to 57 C on my highest core in real temp, is that too high? I don't know if i tightened it enough, I basically tightened as hard as possible with one hand, don't wanna risk warping/breaking my mobo, what do u guys think?

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So i installed my mugen 2, i'm running at 20x165 at 1.168vcore (set at 1.2 in bios, in windows reads 1.168) anyways on prime my temps go up to 57 C on my highest core in real temp, is that too high? I don't know if i tightened it enough, I basically tightened as hard as possible with one hand, don't wanna risk warping/breaking my mobo, what do u guys think?

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i dont know what kind of case you are using but the temps sounds good for me

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i dont know what kind of case you are using but the temps sounds good for me

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I'm using a HAF932, my ambient's kinda low tho, I'm in LA so I'm guessing my ambient's in the low 20s high 10s, also is there risk of warping if i overtighten my hsf? I tightened it quite a bit more because my temps were in 60s and now its in 50s but I'm kinda paranoid, i'm using the dfi te3h8

I may have missed something but if the Mugen 2 and the Thermalright eXtreme were compared with their stock fans then the comparison was between apples and oranges because the fan that comes with the Mugen 2 runs at a lower speed. It's not a huge difference but it's enough to account for a degree or two.

I apologize if I'm reading impaired, but the only way to test two heatsinks head to head is with the same fans, otherwise you are testing more than one variable.

I have both heatsinks but have not tried the Thermalright yet. I'm happy with the Mugen 2. My sole complaint is the mounting system, which seems to have been designed by an engineer with 3 hands.

Perhaps this is the wrong thread to discuss this, but I just purchased the Scythe Mugen 2 last night along with my i7 rig, and I can't seem to find a way to install this Heatsink onto my EVGA X58 3x-SLI Motherboard. Every way you turn the heatsink, there's another object in the way (I.E. First Ram slot, or the 2 heatsinks that sit near the CPU socket). Anyone had success installing this heatsink on this board? Or am I SOL? If I'm SOL, anyone have any suggestions for a heatsink that will have the clearance on this motherboard?

Hyper-threading, PcCI2iminal?

Planning on having this kind of airflow setup for my new build in the coming weeks

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the case is an antec 900, cpu is going to be a 720 be, I m liking this heatsink as it seems you can use 8gb of ram (mushkin redlines in my case) without clearance issues.
Anyways given the airflow setup, I m thinking of putting 2 fans on this cooler, scythe ultra kaze 120mm's, 133 cfm, high static pressures.. at right angles, so one fan blowing horizontally, towards the back exhaust, and one fan on the bottom blowing up towards the top exhaust fan.
Would this be the maximally efficient airflow config for cooling the cpu, by my logic (lol / disclaimer) it would seem to pull the most air through the fins, a cube of cooling if you will? The alternative is a standard push pull configuration either vertically or horizontally, but with the exhaust fans so close, i was thinking the conventional way may be redundant?

Thoughts? Seems like an awesome performing cooler, with the right space saving features i need for ram, was going to go with the Sunbeam CCF4 until i saw this badboy :)

Nobody tested this Mugen 2 with 2 fans in, 2 fans out (4 fans total)??????

Come on, I just came across this thread, and would love to see how a Mugen on Steroids would perform!

marginally better than with 2x120mm fans if you need to know;)

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Nobody tested this Mugen 2 with 2 fans in, 2 fans out (4 fans total)??????

Come on, I just came across this thread, and would love to see how a Mugen on Steroids would perform!

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Please read here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ighlight=mugen

Criminal, vc usou as 4 porquinhas pra instalar o Scythe ?

Como vc as colocou por favor ?:confused:

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Originally Posted by RRunner

Criminal, vc usou as 4 porquinhas pra instalar o Scythe ?

Como vc as colocou por favor ?:confused:

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No you just have to use an extra pair of 120mm fan clips:

Fan Clips

Seriously, is it even necessary to tell you that you should have reduced the size of those pictures before posting them? Posting pictures that big is just ridiculous.

So, first post to revive a thread dead for almost 4 months now and this is all you have to say?
Are you on something? :rolleyes: