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Looks like high FSB, lower multiplier 1:1 is the way to go with the Albatron, if my Radeon can take the bus. On the S3 virge, 290FSB 1:1 at tightest timings
http://bravo.ausgamers.com/lardarse/...atron29011.JPG
http://bravo.ausgamers.com/lardarse/...9011sisoft.JPG
The sisoft's ran on a corrupt OS so dunno how the scores get affected, but 3000+ looks good for a 1Ghz CPU. :)
Still on good old HyperX 3500 but on 3.54 Vdimm. Gonna try using higher Vdimm in a bit
:slobber: nice ram :thumbsup:
290fsb 1:1 cas2 522???
awful!:eek:
your memories're extraterrestrial.... :slobber:
great result ;)
10 X 280 FSB is very possible if I have a Prometeia to use on the CPU! God, dry ice is tempting me again!!! :D
is that kingston hyperx cas 2,2,2 rated stuff, i assume it is. But you mighta got lucky with a diff rated stick. I'm thinking bout buying a gig of it, jsut not sure if its teh best way to go for ath 64 or not, looks like it might be ;)
You know what chips are underneath the spreaders, a p4 mobo listed kingston hyper x pc3500 in the compatibility list, and seemed to show it having bh-5 chips on. If thats likely, i'll deffo buy it. Though i've seen some kingmax pc3500 that states cas 2/2.5, much cheaper than most i've seen. the red pcb stuff, ever heard, seen it, i can't find a review.
Does that alby have a 1/8 divider at all, not sure? lets hope so anyway. 1:1 at 280 would be completely sweet.
This is great news, and also a great job my friend:)
I've got 2 sticks of HyperX PC3500 BH5 that love high voltage and high FSB......can't wait to play with A64:D
Randi:D
That's radical man...:D I wonder what higher cpu speeds would do.
Holy Sheet 3.54v on the ram! :flame:
sweet, ,methinks i'll defo order some nice pc3500 then.
Mr ice, how high will yours go, fsb/timings/voltage wise, what kinda stick, 512/256.
lardarse, what kinda speeds will that ram do at 3-3.2v?
something isnt quite right there... first off 290 2-2-2-5... sorry but i really dont think thats possible not with any existing chips... and secondly I know the CPU speed is only 1,1 GHz but 3,2 GB/s in sandra?? That seems really low to me... i think Albatron is using slow ass settings like they did on the springdale...even 360 FSB was slow as hell lol
Why the 4x multi? run it a bit higher so you are around 2 GHz at least and then show us some performance at 280 :)
^^^ agreed kinda get the cpu speed up some then give us some more benchies.... the speed should increase as the cpu catches up ... i think ... :)
Have to agree with JC, 3269/3233MB/s is awefully low for 290MHz with Cas2.
Just as a compare MJ is getting 3500/3490 with memory at 227MHz with Cas2.
ok, i'll do a 280 with a higher multi in a bit. It could also be due to a corrupt OS, but a reformat would take quite some time. Anyhows, I'll be back with some results.
Well this is just posting so you guys don't think I've gone off proposing to my GF or something ;)
The board, went tits up on me.... I originally wanted to go straight to insulating the board then putting it on the chiller but you guys wanted some higher multi bench so I put it back on the default aircooling put voltage to 1.9v and started to find the CPU speed limit on aircool first. After just a short while, it turned off by itself and I felt the HS, was really really hot. NVM I thought, the over temperature protection should have handled it.
Turned the PC back on and the fans spin for 1/4 of a second then stopped. Now thats all it does, with the CPU on it it will just turn on for less than a second then stop. If I remove the CPU it will run fine. If I put in the CPU and unplug the 12v line it will run fine. I'm starting to think my power supply is doing things. The MSI board "died" with this same syndrome. Now I'm waiting for a replacement, but I'm thinking of quickly ordering one online from the nearest retailer if possible. This board shows great promise thus far though I've not really tested the performance yet.
I believe that even if the board is a little bit slower compared to competition, I don't think it will be greater than a 5Mhz FSB speed difference. And put it into equation, thats still 270+ 1:1. The greatest draw for me about this board is the ability to go real high on Vdimm as its derived from 5V.
I wish I could rush out to buy another Albatron right now, the high 1:1 achievable from partly the good ram and high Vdimm allowed.got me hooked!
The CPU is still alive though.
LardArse sorry to hear that about your board.
I take it you liked the Albatron ?? I havn't tried lowering my multi and playing with the memory cause I aint go no memory that will run 1:1 ! hehe
290 2-2-2 :wierd:
Ok, I've not received the replacement yet, but with a new bios to set to 280 FSB, I'm testing out the Shuttle NF3 right now. Here's 280 1:1 fastest timings available with just 2380Mhz CPU, 3.6 Vdimm.
http://bravo.ausgamers.com/lardarse/lard/shuttle280.JPG
I think I can do some more FSB as 4v vdimm seems to run well, but I'm getting too chicken ยงยงยงยง to run it that high without need to. Too bad the Clock gen doesnt work with this.
Too bad the nf2 does not handle such high voltage/fsb at all... My twinmos are pretty good as well :D
Good luck on 3d ;)
@MickeyMouse
I think he's running an s3 virge slowmo vidcard :hehe:
Im having a slight bit of trouble believing him as well...
holy crap! This is definately good news!
Do you have a good VC that will post some good 3DM scores? Sure hope so.:D
I also cannot believe those hyperx's.
WTG!:banana: :toast:
:slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
Best ram I've ever seen. But isint almost 3.6V killing it?
Son of a ..man. Thats just insane....
That mem score is quite low though.... also, hate to rain on your parade, but will it pass memtest86 with those settings? :P
4.1v took out ram on a 9800 in 24 hours (who was that? I forget..), so I would expect 3.5v ish to be runable 24/7....? 8-)
EDIT
Dont forget macci ran 3.6v into his ram for 270 2-2-2.
LardArse - please tell me how you get those lower multipliers. does it happen in the bios or are you using clockgen?
lol good word lardarse, hipro would be proud of ur vdimm!..
Ok, just fixed up the Radeon 9800 P onto it, benched this on an untweaked OS, default Video speed first. This is at 280 x 8.5, 1:1 cas 2.0, 2, 2, 13. 3.64Vdimm <-- best spot yet, 3.7+v works good for a while only, 3.8v is worse. Only 1 stick of 256Mb ram now. LDT at 2X.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7163022
It seems though that I might have to lower my 1:1 FSB under high vcore/speed, still testing and waiting for the chiller to go down.
flytek, I used clockgen, works great, just that my FSB can't use it as my clockgen is different on the Shuttle.
Tell me guys, cats 3.6 and DX9.0b, good combi for 2001 bench? I don't have Win 2k here.
And here's 280 x 9 1:1
http://bravo.ausgamers.com/lardarse/...uttle280x9.JPG
wow...........
LardArse - sorry to be pushy but does the bios have working multipliers or not on the albatron kt800
Yes, the multipliers work fine in the bios, but only lower ones allowed of course.
afaik, doesn't matter, crystal cpuid and clockgen both change multi and its still changed during bootup.
You need to cool your ram... hehe.
Nice work there LardArse :toast:
Can you run Sandra unbuffered?
That Lobby hi at 280 seem a bit low thou (150.4). At 2.2GHz 244x9 1:1 on K8V I can hit almost 149FPS. So maybe shuttle mobo is slowing some settings down in order to hit the high RAM OC?
I dunno but that was the slowest combo I've found so far for A64 :DQuote:
winxp
3.2's dx 8.1
Even CAT 3.7 and DX9 are better, CAT3.5&DX9 might be even better
Sure macci, I'll give it a go later. I just had time for a quick 272 x 9.5 1:1 run @ cas 2.0,2,2,13. LDT @ 2X. 2.5X LDT seems benchable with 1.5v LDT but a lil scared to run that yet from the CPU deaths I've heard, but I'll prolly give it a go later as well.
Did a bit over 26k with Radeon @ 533/407.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7164803
now i'm really glad i decided to buy hyperX pc3500 months ago hehehehehe =) ..... but 3.5v to 4v vdimm ??? OMG do you use any cooling on those rams ??
Ok, noobie question: How do I run unbuffered, I disabled buffer option, is that just it?
do thisQuote:
Originally posted by LardArse
Ok, noobie question: How do I run unbuffered, I disabled buffer option, is that just it?
http://www.tweakpc.de/berichte/tipps...le_options.gif
...any ram will do 280 if you put 3.5v through it
You forgot something Corbec: Timings.
lol...yea i think i missed that. just looked at title and made a post...DAMN!!!
26,400 now. :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by LardArse
Sure macci, I'll give it a go later. I just had time for a quick 272 x 9.5 1:1 run @ cas 2.0,2,2,13. LDT @ 2X. 2.5X LDT seems benchable with 1.5v LDT but a lil scared to run that yet from the CPU deaths I've heard, but I'll prolly give it a go later as well.
Did a bit over 26k with Radeon @ 533/407.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7164803
Can you bump the LDT any higher? The 10x 1:1 runs seem to be outdoing you in Lobby + Car Chase. Or do you think its just slack timings on the Shuttle? :stick:
V.nice score though.
XP costs ~250 - 300 points on my Barton rig, how bad does it tank the A64's?
not really, my memory doesnt get any faster above 3.3v, khx3500 with bh5 and twinmos 3700 with tmd 4.3ns chips... there are even chips that wont boot with anything above 2.9v.Quote:
Originally posted by corbec
...any ram will do 280 if you put 3.5v through it
Right behind you Jason, 26807 :)Quote:
Originally posted by MickeyMouse
"COUGH" WINXP "COUGH" lol.. hallow same as QUAD/NAS rem before they where using 2k1 i was raping there lobby/caR tests.. LARD stated to me he didnt have 2k1 ATM :( so that and the car low bug on that 26.4k run cost them about 400 points.. they should be right next to me IMO.. :)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7172503
Car high pretty darn low, lowered to 551 core for the test as I didn't want to risk a lockup after a bugless Car low run.
LDT 2.5X is no problem with low Raddy clocks, but I need to lower to 2X for high Video clocks. Did a test between 258 x 10 LDT 2.5x vs 272 x 9.5 LDT 2x (Same CPU speed) and 272FSB LDT 2x only gives 1 FPS higher in Lobby high.
Woah, seems like all the A64 guys are using Win2k. Gotta get myself a copy of that! :D
Lardy, have you done any max FSB testing on NF3 boards?
does nvidia sys util work with that mobo (FSB adjustement in windows)?
macci, 280 is fine, even with 1:1 on the shuttle board, and thats the max it allows. The NV util only allows up to 250FSB for me, and the ram timings are shown correctly, but when i try to change it there's some error message. Yopu should not have any problems with the NF3 high FSBs, you just need a bios that allows high numbers, or a clockgen software that will work with your particular board.
ok thanks for info :)
I was able to push my ValueRAM (2x256MB) up to 270 1:1 2-2-2-6-11-16 on K8V (9x270) SuperPi 1M stable so its looking good :)
Waiting for the Gigabyte NF3 board to arrive (finally..).
btw, have you checked if there are any registry settings for the NVUtil? Maybe it possible to extend the FSB range (kinda like coolbits krusty=>bart, or bart=>bart3d tricks on GeForce videocards :D)
or one of the files for the program itself? Try opening each with wordpad and seeing if anything sticks out.. heh.
First off, a big thankx to Lardarse and stinger for sending me shuttles beta bios, as I was stuck at 250x10.
I have just started playing with this shuttle mb, and I have already gotten 265 1:1 @ 6,2,2,2 like a rock.
Running 5:3 mem I have gotten all the way upto 278x10 at 1.98v
So hopefully with somemore tweaking 278x10 1:1 well become possible.
wow..i must say, these are some insance numbers guys, keep it up!
i did sent them the bios hehe
my shuttle is now vmoded too
doing 260 1:1 without problems and i tell u there is much room to play left
i think i will do 270 1:1 soon :)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7209484
take a look at the car high and lobby scores hehe but still my radeon is holding me back but soon i will release the bottleneck i hope
im doing 260 1:1 2600mhz at 1.65 vcore and 3.35vdimm atm
we will see what is left in there but the shuttle is for sure one of the best a64 mobos
do hyperx 3500 sticks that you buy now come with bh5 or are they on ch5 now too?
CH5.
Well thanx for sharing that bios with everyone Horus...without it this board would be useless (2.5 ghz max).
i'll have one of those boards this week too. this thread has tempted me big time. what does the new bios do that that the old one didn't.
if anyone would kindly send the new bios to shuttle@flytek.co.za i would be much obliged.
thanks
is this shuttle buggy like more th a64 boards? i want to sell my intel and get a a64 :banana: but i also dont want damn buggs