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OK this what i got and re-uploaded them so they don't get removed
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8...2605502ng0.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9...2605506un0.jpg
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/725...2605501by8.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5...2605503sf0.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7269/260cardmj7.jpg
certainly looks different
Wow, those RAM modules are packed densely.
OTOH first time seeing nVidia using a Blue PCB officially. :D
Why is there more memory chips?
Look at BFG's Cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
cool beans
Because there's nothing on the back, and they don't need to wrap the card up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warboy
Those were easy, non-official cards on midrange GPUs.
I've never seen it done on a >384bit GPU.
I'm glad they are taking the Ram off the back of the card.. Now we can get higher overclocks on the RAM. and not to mention that when you had these things in Tri SLI all that heat off of the back off the cards was just getting sucked into the other cards crammed in there with it.
are these getting released before christmas?
Original article here:
http://en.expreview.com/2008/12/05/f...ce-gtx260.html
:up:Quote:
Zotac GeForce GTX 260² Pictured
NVIDIA will be releasing 55nm versions of the G200 graphics processor, which provides better thermal and power characteristics. What's more, NVIDIA could allow its partners to come up with their own designs or colour themes right away, at least from what can be seen with the Zotac GeForce GTX 260². The card uses a blue PCB, without a cooler shroud at the back of it. In the current iteration of the GeForce 200 series, memory chips are also located at the back of the card, requiring a heatspreader. In the newest iteration of the PCB, several changes are brought about:
- Toned-down power circuitry overall, with 4 phase vGPU and 2 phase vMem
- Aluminum support-brace surrounding the GPU
- Memory chips located only on one side of the PCB, leaving nothing at the back-side of the PCB that requires cooling, hence no heatspreader
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-12-05/106f_thm.jpg http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-12-05/106e_thm.jpg
The GPU is marked G200-103-B2 indicating it has been manufactured under the 55nm node. The card's cooler has been reportedly designed by Cooler Master, it is a monolithic surface with copper contacts over crucial components, with thermal pads. The GPU uses a fluid thermal compound to make contact with the cooler. Below are pictures showing the differences between the current GeForce GTX 200 PCB and the one that the new GTX 260 will sport, among other details. The card is expected to hit retail channels by January.
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-12-05/106a_thm.jpg http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-12-05/106c_thm.jpg http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-12-05/106d_thm.jpg http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-12-05/106b_thm.jpg http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-12-05/106h_thm.jpg
Expreview
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpo...82&postcount=1
nice, but did the card have to be 3mm wider on the back side?
looks kinda wierd
and thats another price war,
get 'em back under 199€ :D
So will current 216 models fall in price then?
From what I've read they are'nt going to have a new name with the 55nm refresh. You just might order you one in january and it show up as the new 55nm version.. I heard they were quitely going to drop them into resellers hands
Is this 55nm refresh going to have double the ram as well or is it just going to be higher clocked ram?
Nice, so nVidia finally stopped calling each minor change a new generation.
Also I like the RAM (apparently) all being on the front side of the card, makes FC blocks easier to work with
They're changing the layout?
Crap.
That means new waterblock designs...
I think im going to get 3 of these for 3 way SLi.
I like the RAM. Don't have half your memory cooled by nothing but its own heatspreader.
If the PCB allows it and you got room, more power to NV!
does it? which set of holes do the waterblocks fix into now?Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
Not so much the hole layout, but the memory chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
I use FC blocks.
awesome .. personally, I like a big vga card .. looks powerful though .. not a tiny card
new one looks as big as old one lol
No ram on the back, so no need for a cooling plate on the other side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warboy
Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
ahhh oops! thought you ment just the core block!
I've been thinking they might do that with the RAM. If you look at the inside of EVGA's stock heatsinks they have twice the number of ram blocks in there and 1/2 of them were doing nothing. That might've been a good idea to do on the full cover waterblocks. This does present an issue with aftermarket cooling solutions. There may be alot of GPU blocks with RAM sinks again.
Dangit, I could order one of these to SLI and get one like this ona 280 and even the Unisink wouldn't work. I am getting a stadarnd non-fullcover block though. Might have to stepup and then go SLI later.
Watercooling these things does help them tremndously. They have alot of core and memory clock in them. I've found my max clocks already on the 280, but can't leave it there becasue of thermal runaway. I need more cooling. Watercooling these is really a great way to get solid max clocks from them.
Definitely. Talonman got some great clocks out of his GTX 280 with the EVGA FC block on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
I was planning on grabbing three of the 260 Core 216 cards for now and then going through step-up when the 55nm GTX 280s came out. But if the layout is different, that throws a wrench in my plan as I'd be stuck with three useless blocks.
Maybe I'll just go for one card now and then step that up and sell the block and buy two more of the 55nm 280s later.
in looking at the dtek unisink,each ram chip that makes contact with the dtek block,seems to have a "raised"part of the sink,to make contact with the chip.
i wonder if it would work to just get small pieces of copper the size of each chip to act as a shim bewteen the unisink and the memchips.
i have on order the dtek block and unisink,and if i can`t get this idea to work i am going to have to just purchase a current revision of the 260.
Yep, after I saw that thread I was convinced more than ever. After I saw how much these cards had in them and the Furmark tests I did I was *sold*. There is no way I can run my card at max clocks for any length of time...the temps run away and I have to back out of it. You can actually see it in Furmark when you get what I call "the flickers". Those blocky artifacts. It doesn't do it too bad, but it'll tell you "Hey! Back out! I gotta cool down." hehe :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
I hope that blue pcb is only from zotac, since its the only brand who puts weirds colors to their pcbs (orange)...by other hand the toned-down power circuitry overall, with 4 phase vGPU and 2 phase vMem would limit the OCing compared to the current one no?
Hmm, if it just quietly replace the current line up of GTX series card, the reference clock won't see any change or improvement, correct ? Just some TDP reduction. But atleast nVidia does their customers a good deed by modifying its PCB design, so the buyers will atleast be able to tell the difference beetween the old card and the new one.
This version certainly looks less cluttered and cheaper to produce. Let's just hope it's gonna boost overclocks a bit further than original GTX 260 and won't cost anymore either (than Core 216 version). They should be cheaper to produce so I'd be disappointed if the cost would be higher just cuz it's a "new" product.
If g92b is of any indication, the 260s will gain a 6%-8% overclocking headroom, which is nice if it is accompanied by lower prices (since GT200b is cheaper to produce).Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
Can we tell that it's been shopped by looking at the pixels and having seen many shops in our time?
The naming convention is changing yes?
The sticker says GTX260 2162
I really don't see the price going down unless ATI changes the pricing on their lineup, if anything the price will go up with the revision bringing a premium.
I've been waiting for the 55nm shrink to upgrade my tried and true 8800gtx.
no more one pcb for all..
if this 55nm 260 is for real then:
216 shader gtx260
240 shader gtx280
2x216 shader gtx295
same old nvidia
but how do the gtx 270/290 come into play then? missinfo?
or is gtx 270/290 higher clocked versions of 260/280?:
216 shader gtx260
216 shader gtx270 higher clocks
240 shader gtx280
240 shader gtx290 higher clocks
2x216 shader gtx295
or are the supposed gtx 270/290 new chips?:
216 shader gtx260
240 shader gtx280
264 shader gtx270
288 shader gtx290
2x216 shader gtx295
dont make sense..
one more.. or:
216 shader gtx260
240 shader gtx270
264 shader gtx280
288 shader gtx290
2x216 shader gtx295
eenee meenee minee mo eenee meenee minee mo..
none?!? ahhh!! :eek:
That plate was to cool ram on the reverse side? I kinda liked that plate covering the whole card up. I hope they keep it with the newer gen cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaskar
the blue pcb would go good with my gigabyte...:D...55nm+removing the his+water cooling...will equal some great temps...im stoked
GTX 260x2 216 anyone?
yea if they price it right...:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by fireice2
the 270 and 290 was made by the stupid inq with that BS article few months ago...nvidia never announced them either in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Good! Benchmarks for these card will surface out soon. A bit sooner i hope. Well, I won't expect much from a die-shrink.
lol GTX 260² isnt it more like GTX 2603 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
this is the 3rd 260.. whats next.. probably a 40nm 260 in the works
wouldnt GTX 260² be more fitting for the 2x260 gtx 295?
whatta mess..
i dont think they made 270/290 up..Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
55nm 216/240 shader gtx 270/290 makes sense
not that im defending inq
but here we have a 3rd 260.. why name 2x260 gtx 295?
TWO PCIE cables needed even with 55nm, longer than the Titanic and a blast furnace for a GPU? No thanks..
well there isn't a press realease by nvidia saying those ;) changing name won't make sense since its the same chip just with a die shrink just like 9800GTX > 9800GTX+ also imo nvidia doesnt want to screw up again with a large product line, they want it to have a simple line just like ATI is doing with their new line of products that is...just my 2 centsQuote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
a blast furnace..your saying they run hot right?..so how long have you had your 55nm gtx260?...you must have some serious connections...a 55nm before they even hit the shelves..tell me what were your temps...:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
even then so.. my gtx260 core 216 only runs 44 idle... and thats sitting directly touching the pcb to another gtx260!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by VOID WARRANTY
people really shouldnt judge a product if they don't own it ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by nosboost300
LoL.Quote:
Originally Posted by VOID WARRANTY
Whoops...Quote:
Originally Posted by VOID WARRANTY
how can it not have lower temps...nvidia is saying the 55nm will use less power...i forget ware the article was...but there saying it will use something like 100watts less then the 65nm version...a decrease in power consumption should make it a cooler running chip....but hey it could be BS its hard to find reliable sources...it very well could run hotter then the 65nm....but not likely...Quote:
Originally Posted by VOID WARRANTY
That wasn't Nvidia. Nvidia hasn't come out with any numbers or scheduled any events because there is little to no improvements.Quote:
Originally Posted by VOID WARRANTY
The numbers you are quoting are realworld power consumption vs TDP.
still don't see why my quote was funny :p
show me somewhere that shows the gtx260 is a space heater....
you want a space heater lets look at a 4850... tossed both of mine and i've never been happier
No your post was very good, I was using it to prove a point about Void.Quote:
Originally Posted by nosboost300
Amusing that you would bring up 4850's though.
My overclocked 4850 is running cooler than my midly OC'ed 8800GTS 512mb.
The word “Fanboy” is one of the hundred or so new words that Merriam-Webster has decided to add to their Collegiate Dictionary this year.
Apparently the first occurance of the word was in the year 1919.
This is an honest thread this time, and it does have basis in fact. Don't get another video card thread shutdown...please. People have said there is gonna be a soft launch, and that the GPU is already out there in another card right now. They will be filling the other cards market with them as they resupply with the new GPU's. As needed in other words. They will be using up the 65nm stuff first. This is not another world beater, but probably will give some slight boosts as they always do. It's a refresh. It looks like they've made some RAM improvements, and maybe worked on power draw and circuitry...we'll have to see how that works out. I would bet that some of the larger high end graphics card makers already have some. I don't know speciffic dates because they cannot discuss it. I have asked. They said "soon". I didn't press the issue or quiz them because I did not want to get anyone into trouble.
Then I guess we'll just have to wait for it...... :)
but it sucks that it doesn't show in store name or something? if I want a 55nm i want to know if i buy it or not, will the retailer mark it as new?
my apologies then!! i took what you posted and retaliated... there's just too many people that bash on the gtx 260 so i took it the wrong way...Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
my old 4850's idled at 70c until set the fan speeds through its bios
haha one more gtx 260
I think it would make sense if they went for GTX 265/285 looks like a nice clean card though. The reason the clocks are so low is because board partners want to differentiate themselves, allowing a great deal of room for the clocks is Nvidia's way to make them happy.
yepQuote:
Originally Posted by Stukov
My XFX GTX260 216SP Black Edition 65nm has higher Clocks
666Mhz Core
2300Mhz memory
1404Mhz shader
regards
so we should be able to tell if its 65nm or 55nm by looking on the back of the PCB?
yupQuote:
Originally Posted by ap4lifetn
What the release date on theses?
They are ready, i think nvidia is waiting to sell out of 65nm first, or sell some more before people want these.Quote:
Originally Posted by Overgloc
I wish I was really rich and could afford 3 of those baby's or better yet 2x gtx295. Well I may get them if I find a couple of 1000 euros lying somewhere mabey in a gutter who know people throw a lot of things away:confused:
They are ready but because there are 1000's of 65nm gtx260s left they want to sell them before they start to sell the other ones because the 55nm card is about the same price and performes better:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Overgloc
Looks like a nice card. I think the real question is what additional overclock, for running 24/7, will the 55nm process provide. Maybe 700+ on factory overclocked cards, and run them in the mid 700s. That would be pretty nice.
They say that it will be better in overclocking but they question is how much.
Komplett clearly have 55nm in the product spec, and the design on the sticker is different than the 65nm evga card.
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=422880
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=422879
Why do they say physx.
*waits on heat, power consumption figures and price before deciding*
55nm GTX260 may very well end up being the card going into my new build, providing the heat output is reduced
I just received my GTX 260 216SP yesterday. I think I'll be using BFG's step-up program to get the 285 GTX. Good times. :D
55nm or 65nm? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
Mascaras: does the 55nm board give higher overclocks & better temps?
YES and YES:yepp::yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
I have the 65nm. I don't believe the 55nm are available for purchase anywhere yet. I'll be stepping up to the 55nm GTX 285. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
There are a limited amount. Not a lot but a fewQuote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...tCode=10009817
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7386/58478397ii9.png
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/images/Enl...10009817_A.jpg
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...dlist=celebros
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/images/Enl...10009839_A.jpg
Looks like the new EVGA model numbers are going to be 896-P3-1255-AR and 896-P3-1257-AR
Apologies for the small images. I will ask someone at the EVGA Forums if we can get some high-res imagery. ;)
wonder how good they can oc evgas looks nice by the way
Nice find,
Guess we know what the 285's will look like :up:
wow thats a big bump in price...hope that's just the pre order pricing.
I just picked up a new 280 for that price.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
:up:
Dude, you trip me up! :bounce:
btw: what do you guys think this will do the the sales of the HD4850/70's ..?
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It shouldn't cost that much for being basically a stock-clocked GTX 260 216.
According to Fud, EVGA is going to ship the 55nm gtx260 on Tuesday in Europe.
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...11035&Itemid=1
price = fail!!!!! this is retarded.. i guess what a lil bit for some drops... i'm looking out for the gtx 285 anyway!!!
I prefer to get it from newegg, they could be cheaper :)
ya.. imma wait it out on newegg as well.. but i hate paying tax... damn living in california
The current listed prices on various sites won't reflect the lowest available prices when all retailers have the cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by nosboost300
From the FUD article:
I don't get where's the big deal then. Regular -65nm- 260s were able to touch the 700Mhz mark and the 55nm gpus -at least as shown from g92b- gain an extra 7%-12% overclocking headroom, which means that these new cards should be reaching -at least- the 750MHz to worth the wait. If not are we talking about a bad shrink, a bad batch? And if so, with the $300 price mark I see everywhere (while -in fact- the 55nm process makes the cards cheaper to produce than their 65nm counterparts), I don't see why the 55nm shrink is worth the wait, or worse how nVidia -even now, that does not have the crown- still tries to rips us off. This card should have cost closer to the $200 mark (30% less), no questions asked, even the cooler uses less material (and as such HAS to be cheaper to produce).Quote:
SuperSuper clocked should work at, at least 666MHz, while we suspect that it might even reach 700MHz.
nVidia HAS the chance for a comeback, it would be really sad if they throw it -again- away. Their arrogance will turn even people like me, who were supporting them for years to come, to ATI fanboys
I don't believe the $300 price tag will stick, and, in fact, many retailers will be selling under that price point at launch, or at least shortly after.
Depend on how good these cards are going to oc with stock cooling solution. If an average person easily hits a 20% oc on the core, the demand generated from such info could easily keep the prices at the levels you are seeing now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuDioFreaK39
So , looks like the reference clocks of new GTX260 55nm are the same as the GTX260 65nm reference clocks (576Mhz/1242Mhz/1998Mhz )
regards
Scan in the UK have them on pre-order......
http://www.scan.co.uk/Search.aspx?q=evga+gtx+260
I honestly cant believe that so many people out there think that a 10nm shrink is going to bring so much more to the table :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevethegreat
I have a 65nm GTX 260 that does 760core 1536shader 1250mem all day long with the stock cooler set to 75%.
I remember when so many people with 55nm 9800GTX's were bragging about there 800mhz core overclocks when I had a 65nm version that did 860mhz on the core 2200shader and 1200mem.
It isnt worth the wait and it certainly is not worth the price increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevethegreat
And once you get a taste of ATI's driver work you will be running back to NV. Trust me. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevethegreat
Hey that EVGA one is actually cheap, ~228 EUR converted to EUR (damn didn't know the GBP has become such weak compared to EUR). That's less than even any GTX 260 with 192 SPs in Finland. :rofl: I would preorder one right now if I'd live in UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by bito
hopefully these will overclock like the 8800's
Aren't the current non 55nm on clearance right now. I think 290 will be the price of the new core 216 55nm. Its kind of predictable because I expect it to beat its ATI counterpart(1gig 4870) which is 250 prior to a rebate. Not sure if it is fair, but I almost expect it to be 290 because of this.
What that means is people should get gtx280 at under 300 right now. Because once that deal is gone, all we will see is gtx 285 which will have a marked price difference but not so much performance.
On pre order in the UK at Scan now.
http://www.scan.co.uk/Search.aspx?q=55+nm
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6555/934324afc4.jpg
ive got bfg gtx260-216 overclocked 750mhz so is there any point me upgrading stepping up got 40 days left to step up so what will be worth the step up if it was worth it ? my resolution 1920x1080 thnx in advance.
No I don't think so, 750MHz is a superb clock on 65nm GTX 260-216, doubt the new 55nm would let you go further at all. Having a great clock on an older version is more satisfying than having mediocre on a newer better OC'able version if performance is same clock for clock, at least to me. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by dan7777