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AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread
We don't want to be unfair to AMD, so how about a Shanghai/Deneb review thread? For now it's a Shanghai only thread though, because Deneb has not launched officially.
Thus most reviews focus on server and workstation performance (don't waste your time looking for games). Feel free to add articles.
Shanghai
http://techreport.com/articles.x/15905 workstation and server testing
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3456 Shanghai DB testing
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=528 Linpack: Shanghai vs Nehalem (desktop) #1
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=529 Linpack: Shanghai vs Nehalem (desktop) vs Xeon #2
http://www.tecchannel.de/server/proz...ai/index4.html Very reliable review with a mix of server/hpc/workstation apps, but in German.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/com...-484339/review first hit on google
http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/artic..._server_arena/ Dutch review featuring FlamMap FSPRO, Sunguard, mysql benchmarks, rendering & more
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/236172/ very brief "review"
Other results (SpecCPU, virtualization, TPC-C, etc) + discussion
http://realworldtech.com/forums/inde...94450&roomid=2
http://realworldtech.com/forums/inde...94430&roomid=2
Deneb aka Phenom II
Reviews:
http://translate.google.com/translat...php%3Ft%3D3189 Review by hwbox.gr (English translation)
and the rest adapted from this review thread:
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-ph...0-review-test/
http://techreport.com/articles.x/16147
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16757
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/ind...=667&Itemid=27
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2338338,00.asp
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...phenom-ii.html
http://hothardware.com/Articles/Ente...nom-II-X4-940/
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-940,2114.html
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...d-920-review/1
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...0_performance/
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1460
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...amd_phenom_ii/
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=802
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/860/1/
http://www.dinoxpc.com/Tests/articol...dex.asp?id=866
http://www.cluboverclocker.com/revie...40Black/p1.asp
Previews:
http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/test...nom_ii_x4.html some games tested with a "simulated" Deneb (Opteron 2384)
http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont...58&pageid=3151 Sneakpeak at an early engineering sample
Take those with a big grain of salt, I don't know how credible they are:
http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/asroc..._X4-info-1.htm Phenom II X4 940 vs. the QX 9770 vs. the Core i7 965
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The TechReport review is nice... Good points for comparison. :up:
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Thanks for gathering all the available information. Appreciate it!
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Great news, fine reading. Thanks! :up:
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Jacky the numbers from Belissimo's thread are from hardware.info website.They did a review(well kind of a review) here:
http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/artic..._server_arena/
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Originally Posted by
Ghostbuster
Not sure if that qualifies as a review. This is a desktop part compared to a server part.
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Shanghai hangs in there pretty good.Even though desktop Core i7 has clear memory subsystem advantage(regular DDR3) ,it is 8% faster than server based on Shanghai with registered DDR2-800 ram.HT is off since it hurts perf. in this test.
On the other hand,in this test,even with newer math labs,Shanghai is approx. ~16% faster than Harpertown,per clock.
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Originally Posted by
qurious63ss
Not sure if that qualifies as a review. This is a desktop part compared to a server part.
Which makes Phenom II look even better, since as a single quadcore chip Shanghai has no possible performance advantages vs Deneb.
And they also compared a Xeon later on.
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Shanghais are on a slower HT link with slower memory than the desktop counterparts. As Maca said, things look even more rosey for Deneb.
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I think that people are trying too extrapolate how a deneb will perform based on shanghai and how nehalem-ep will perfrom based on ci7 is getting a bit carried away. Yes they are technically the same architecture but there are subtle differences that make this guessing game a bit of crap shoot.
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informal
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Originally Posted by
qurious63ss
Not sure if that qualifies as a review. This is a desktop part compared to a server part.
We need to be glad to have any numbers at the moment, but I'm aware of the controversy. :D
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Neat Quote
Don't ask me to explain or defend it but the following quote seems right to me in explaining, in general, the difference between Intel & AMD quad cores. Techreport.com
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The Opteron does best when it's able to take advantage of its superior system architecture and native quad-core design, and it suffers most by comparison in applications that are more purely compute-bound, where the Xeons generally have both the IPC and clock frequency edge.
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Originally Posted by
Jazzman
Don't ask me to explain or defend it but the following quote seems right to me in explaining, in general, the difference between Intel & AMD quad cores.
Techreport.com
Nehalem of course changes all that.
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@Jacky
Thanks to our friend justapost who provided the link,we have a "simulated" Deneb from a Shanghai server running a GTX280 card.It's using slower HT standard and slower ECC CL6 DDR2-800 ram that apparently ran at 667Mhz ,but nonetheless it's better than nothing :).
English version:http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/test...nom_ii_x4.html
German(with an update on memory subsystem) : http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/test...nom_ii_x4.html
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Very nice test, but Im pretty sure that low speed ECC RAM is crippling stuff quite a bit, but it gives a guideline of what to expext at least;)
Unless I missed it, how high was the NB clocked? Think Shanghai NB's ran at 2Ghz already but not sure:shrug:
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It should be 2.2Ghz AFAIK,at least on the 2384(2.7Ghz) model. The chipset is ancient though and we don't know if CPU tweak was on or off(CnQ was off right?).
And yeah,that slow a** ram :D was kinda killjoy,but interesting numbers indeed :) .
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Originally Posted by
informal
It should be 2.2Ghz AFAIK,at least on the 2384(2.7Ghz) model. The chipset is ancient though and we don't know if CPU tweak was on or off(CnQ was off right?).
And yeah,that slow a** ram :D was kinda killjoy,but interesting numbers indeed :) .
2.2Ghz? But wouldnt that mean that Phenom II BE's run that too?:p: I dont know why I dont know this, but well:p:
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Well we don't know :).NB clocks are missing from online shops' specs.The NB clock can be even higher than that,but i would say it's a safe bet that 920/940 run NB at 2.2GHz.
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Did a quick google, unless the site is wrong it seems like Ph II 940 is 2Ghz NB
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Nah i don't think it will be 2Ghz.Deneb will probably have the same NB clocks as Shanghai. 2384 part definitely has 2.2Ghz NB,so i guess both 920 and 940 will mirror that(the clue could be the rated TDP).
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As for the Denebs, you could add these early ones...
http://www.itocp.com/thread-12164-1-3.html (possible early buggy Deneb sample)
http://www.itocp.com/thread-11603-1-3.html
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Originally Posted by
Ghostbuster
We discussed those ages ago and they are covered by hardspell link(same chip practically!).
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I want to see some gaming results for denab, compared to core i7
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Originally Posted by
informal
Nah i don't think it will be 2Ghz.Deneb will probably have the same NB clocks as Shanghai. 2384 part definitely has 2.2Ghz NB,so i guess both 920 and 940 will mirror that(the clue could be the rated TDP).
2.7Ghz Shanghai uses a lot below the 95W 2.3Ghz Barcelona, about 10W less.
Deneb's NB/L3 should be faster.
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Originally Posted by
GAR
I want to see some gaming results for denab, compared to core i7
Although it would be interesting, why?
Core i7 wasnt even meant to be competitive that way. i7 can be included nonetheless, but rather if they at least have Agena, Kentsfield and Yorkfield included. i7 is seriously the last priority IMO:shrug:
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Originally Posted by
Rammsteiner
Although it would be interesting, why?
Core i7 wasnt even meant to be competitive that way. i7 can be included nonetheless, but rather if they at least have Agena, Kentsfield and Yorkfield included. i7 is seriously the last priority IMO:shrug:
The comparision is going to be made regardless, it is inevitable. I don't think he has to worry about whether i7 will show up in the reviews.
Agena, and Yorkfield will also no doubt show up ... review sites take one of two tacts ... they either compare top bins or they compare like price points ... it will be interesting if they take the time to generate any Yorkfield benchmarks with comparable price points that Deneb will show up with....
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Originally Posted by
Rammsteiner
Although it would be interesting, why?
Core i7 wasnt even meant to be competitive that way. i7 can be included nonetheless, but rather if they at least have Agena, Kentsfield and Yorkfield included. i7 is seriously the last priority IMO:shrug:
For some of us, it is between an i7 and deneb? I don't see why you would exclude them from the results, even if for the most part they match yorkfields.... The more data the better :)
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Originally Posted by
villa1n
For some of us, it is between an i7 and deneb? I don't see why you would exclude them from the results, even if for the most part they match yorkfields.... The more data the better :)
No, what I said i7 is, at least for me though, the least interesting. What Im saying is that before they add i7 to the tests, they should at least include Kentsfield/Yorkfield. i7 is fine, but at least put those in it as well;)
Or am I saying weird things now?:confused:
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Originally Posted by
Rammsteiner
No, what I said i7 is, at least for me though, the least interesting. What Im saying is that before they add i7 to the tests, they should at least include Kentsfield/Yorkfield. i7 is fine, but at least put those in it as well;)
Or am I saying weird things now?:confused:
Yorkfield for sure, kentsfield is not too relevant anymore, bigger process, and all but EOL. But I think any sane review would match a pricepoint, and throw in top bins, to create contrast, of price and performance. A review without a yorkfield i agree wouldn't be as fully relevant as i would like it to be, but I can see the logic behind it as well.
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Originally Posted by
Rammsteiner
No, what I said i7 is, at least for me though, the least interesting. What Im saying is that before they add i7 to the tests, they should at least include Kentsfield/Yorkfield. i7 is fine, but at least put those in it as well;)
Or am I saying weird things now?:confused:
If the i7 is the best chip in the desktop environment, of course they should put it in a review.
Review sites should always put a Price per performance charts in, so people know what they are getting for their cash. The i7, will no doubt struggle at the moment in this regard.
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Originally Posted by
villa1n
Yorkfield for sure, kentsfield is not too relevant anymore, bigger process, and all but EOL. But I think any sane review would match a pricepoint, and throw in top bins, to create contrast, of price and performance. A review without a yorkfield i agree wouldn't be as fully relevant as i would like it to be, but I can see the logic behind it as well.
Yeah, Kentsfield is less important but might be interesting since they sell very cheap but shamefully didnt know they were EOL so in that case it's indeed quite questionable.
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Originally Posted by
Motiv
If the i7 is the best chip in the desktop environment, of course they should put it in a review.
Review sites should always put a Price per performance charts in, so people know what they are getting for their cash. The i7, will no doubt struggle at the moment in this regard.
This was basicly what I was aiming at as well. But mainly first Yorkfield, then i7. But i7 is a desktop platform so should be included as well. Also the price of i7 920 ain't too bad IMO, the CPU is thus far priced the same as pre-order Ph II 940, but the rest of the platform is priced higher, although then again it depends on what you get, whether you OC etc.
Anyway, lets not go the platform price comparison way again since it depends on a lot of factors actually:p:
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I know most bencmark tested are application used for sever
But in media encoding and 3d rendering which are used by many normal users, the 2.7GHz Shanghai performed worse than 2.66GHz Xeon (look at the tech-report review)
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Originally Posted by
GAR
I want to see some gaming results for denab, compared to core i7
Why not compared to Yorkfield ?
I don't even think that deneb is going to be better than Yorkfield
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Originally Posted by
maroon1
Why not compared to Yorkfield ?
I don't even think that deneb is going to be better than Yorkfield
better is relative.
Is the top bin deneb going to be 'better' than the top bin yorkfield. No.
So under your logic, we might as well not bother reviewing it.
What we care about here is, is it new and shiny? Is it relatively cheap for it's performance and if so, does it overclock?
It's all about price per performance, or to some price per watt.
The top performing CPU is great to know but most on this forum like to see those results, while buying a cheaper but better overclocking chip.
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Yeah, we all know that Nehalem is still king of the hill performance wise, but we just want to know whether Deneb can be the quadcore for the masses, replacing Q6600, quadcore champ for the poor OCer out there. If it's good enough, Yorkfield price will be adjusted, Nehalem might see adjustment too, everybody wins.
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Idle 26 degrees? :O
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AMD's yesterday during a Phenom ıı meeting we also have news on the way. The Company for promotion of the Phenom 940 ıı Black Edition işlemcili system and the for a short time pass the time of the opportunity to have conducted. In 3GHz working Phenom 940 ıı THREATENING processor in addition to the Foxconn 790GX chip setli A7DA-S coded anakartının and dual graphics işlemcili Radeon HD 4870 X2 graphics card system used mini tests verified.
Phenom ıı işlemcileriyle performance point more competitive and ambitious solutions sets the stage, THE AMD the same time power consumption and down the noted. 140 Watt TDP have to the level of the the 2.6GHz and the 'working Phenom 9950 model to the contrary 45nm production technology, the level 6MB memory 3 with and equip 3GHz in the Phenom of the 940 ıı THREATENING TDP of the level of 125 as a watt set.
New production technology with the speed aşırtma ambitious point that it is often voiced the AMD Phenom processors ıı quite to work on cool as it prepares. In 3GHz working four core processor temperature wait state HWM blackbox program is very 26 as. Dragon Also platform, Spider platform pitcher the least more quickly will be six also was also highlighted.
Note: processor work frequency to 3400MHz took OVERDRIVE the temperature in software is very 35.5 as evidence. Apparently according to current data high hours of the pace of Phenom processors ıı new production technology of the estimated contribution than the cool to try.
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Originally Posted by
Macadamia
Idle 26 degrees? :O
Its Turkiye.. so ambient temperatures there are different.. Those in the tropics may have different idle readings. Heck, even my retired ancient Northwood 2.4GHz shows 25C on light loads... :D
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Originally Posted by
Ghostbuster
Its Turkiye.. so ambient temperatures there are different.. Those in the tropics may have different idle readings. Heck, even my retired ancient Northwood 2.4GHz shows 25C on light loads... :D
Since when Turkiye is in the tropics? :D
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Originally Posted by
Ghostbuster
Its Turkiye.. so ambient temperatures there are different.. Those in the tropics may have different idle readings. Heck, even my retired ancient Northwood 2.4GHz shows 25C on light loads... :D
You're not serious on that one, aren't you? ;)
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Originally Posted by
malice85
You're not serious on that one, aren't you? ;)
Hey hey it must be a bad sensor readout or a cold country :D j/k
Anyhow,for a while we've known PhenomII runs very cool,even OCed+overvolted,so this just confirms that information.
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Originally Posted by
informal
Hey hey it must be a bad sensor readout or a cold country :D j/k
Anyhow,for a while we've known PhenomII runs very cool,even OCed+overvolted,so this just confirms that information.
It's there about 15~20C outside according to my sister. Still doesnt say a lot about ambient, although it's most likely not 25~30C but most likely ambient would be 18~22C I guess.
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Originally Posted by
Macadamia
Idle 26 degrees? :O
who translated this lol :ROTF: and turkey isn't cold country actually it is far from cold
by the way author of this article says that you can expect everything seems that phenom won't dissappoint
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giving idle temps without ambient temps is worthless. :p:
But it looks like they used a scythe orochi as cooler for this one. :)
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Originally Posted by
eric66
some tests
We know the sauce, and it was fishy... one of the graphs was found to be fake.;)
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anyway some news about prices fastest deneb will be cheaper than slowest nehalem
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Originally Posted by
Hornet331
giving idle temps without ambient temps is worthless. :p:
But it looks like they used a scythe orochi as cooler for this one. :)
Honestly I can't recognize anything, maybe I finally need some glasses :confused: Concerning those temps, I'm sure you can guess the ambient down there :p:
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I hope sxs112 would show us more... maybe benches? :up:
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Originally Posted by
Oliverda
~6% increase in Vcore and 20% increase in clocks :) :up:
I think we will see no benchmarks from sxs112 due to NDA,but it would be nice to hear some general experience he has with the chip :).
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so many cpu-z screens, but no numbers. :(
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Originally Posted by
leoy
Probably a very early sample, Voltage is too high.
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OKTABIT POWER!!! I smell leaking screenshots with excellent overclocking results coming up...:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by
gallag
Probably a very early sample, Voltage is too high.
I can assure you that is not an early sample and it overclocks GREAT with air...;)
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Originally Posted by
gallag
Probably a very early sample, Voltage is too high.
Not really. Thats stock voltage (it is the same than Shanghai, 1.35v http://products.amd.com/en-us/Optero...f8=&f9=&f10=4& )
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Originally Posted by
gallag
Probably a very early sample, Voltage is too high.
Nope,default Vcore for Shanghai is the same 1.35V.And you will be amazed how "much" power it draws at default,both idle and load :). The "higher" than usual voltage seems to be pretty normal for AMD's version of 45nm(SOI) process.And that's why you will see 1.6V for air cooling being pretty normal for 3.8-4Ghz OCs.And temps will be quite surprising ;).
BTW,the retail C2 stepping is in the CPuz shot.
@ dread77
I hope you can post more :D. It's getting hot in here :D.
Oktabit ftw ^^
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Originally Posted by
dread77
I can assure you that is not an early sample and it's and it overclocks GREAT with air...;)
waiting for results :up:
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Originally Posted by
informal
Nope,default Vcore for Shanghai is the same 1.35V.And you will be amazed how "much" power it draws at default,both idle and load :). The "higher" than usual voltage seems to be pretty normal for AMD's version of 45nm(SOI) process.And that's why you will see 1.6V for air cooling being pretty normal for 3.8-4Ghz OCs.And temps will be quite surprising ;).
BTW,the retail C2 stepping is in the CPuz shot.
@ dread77
I hope you can post more :D. It's getting hot in here :D.
Oktabit ftw ^^
Can't be cool with 125W TDP.
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Originally Posted by
Calmatory
Can't be cool with 125W TDP.
Oh rly :p:? I guess it depends what is cool for you? :)
125W is TDP,a requirement for cooling device,it doesn't mean it draws that much power under full load.Look at 140W 9950's,they draw less then 125W 9850s,around ~100W(and those 9850s are rated the same way..). Keep in mind this is a major improvement process wise versus 65nm,current leakage is cut down considerably and parts cope great with excess vcore.Temps are great too,on air.
You'll have to wait for the first results i guess.
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My 9950(140w) idled at 1.5vcore at 25 degrees and had a max of 45-50's with true dual fan. Surprised...., and the temps should be real cause the heatsink was not that hot, my new 9950 (125) w idles at 35 and maxes at 60 with only 1.4v,With same setup... So..., nothing is impossible.;)
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Originally Posted by
informal
Nope,default Vcore for Shanghai is the same 1.35V.And you will be amazed how "much" power it draws at default,both idle and load :). The "higher" than usual voltage seems to be pretty normal for AMD's version of 45nm(SOI) process.And that's why you will see 1.6V for air cooling being pretty normal for 3.8-4Ghz OCs.And temps will be quite surprising ;).
BTW,the retail C2 stepping is in the CPuz shot.
Interesting, If that pans out to be true then colour me impressed. Thx for the info.
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Originally Posted by
informal
Oh rly :p:? I guess it depends what is cool for you? :)
125W is TDP,a requirement for cooling device,it doesn't mean it draws that much power under full load.Look at 140W 9950's,they draw less then 125W 9850s,around ~100W(and those 9850s are rated the same way..). Keep in mind this is a major improvement process wise versus 65nm,current leakage is cut down considerably and parts cope great with excess vcore.Temps are great too,on air.
You'll have to wait for the first results i guess.
My only concern is not the temperature of the core, it is usually just up to the cooler, but also the power it draws and how much it heats the rest of the case.
Besides, I wonder why 125W TDP if the thing goes well below 110-115 W etc. Sure the lower temps with the stock cooler are better, but then again I'd rather have $10 cheaper product with 10 C higher temperature. Also lower TDP usually means lower power draw which means less excess heat and lower power bills, and it "saves climate"!
I do understand that the 45 nm with immersion lithography is a godsend for AMD when compared to their 65 nm process, and that leakage has been reduced greatly, but that does not help to convince me that the high TDP wouldn't mean high power draw, which means a lot of heat which means hot chip. :p:
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Originally Posted by
informal
Nope,default Vcore for Shanghai is the same 1.35V.And you will be amazed how "much" power it draws at default,both idle and load :). The "higher" than usual voltage seems to be pretty normal for AMD's version of 45nm(SOI) process.And that's why you will see 1.6V for air cooling being pretty normal for 3.8-4Ghz OCs.And temps will be quite surprising ;).
BTW,the retail C2 stepping is in the CPuz shot.
@ dread77
I hope you can post more :D. It's getting hot in here :D.
Oktabit ftw ^^
In mentioned OKTABIT screenshot the VCore is set in auto, and the motherboard is an ASUS M3A79-T. I can't say :D but most probably :D it can be stable with less VCore.
Most probably OKTABIT will be able to upload a couple of results just as an indication of what PhenomII is capable.:up:
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Originally Posted by
Calmatory
My only concern is not the temperature of the core, it is usually just up to the cooler, but also the power it draws and how much it heats the rest of the case.
Besides, I wonder why 125W TDP if the thing goes well below 110-115 W etc. Sure the lower temps with the stock cooler are better, but then again I'd rather have $10 cheaper product with 10 C higher temperature. Also lower TDP usually means lower power draw which means less excess heat and lower power bills, and it "saves climate"!
I do understand that the 45 nm with immersion lithography is a godsend for AMD when compared to their 65 nm process, and that leakage has been reduced greatly, but that does not help to convince me that the high TDP wouldn't mean high power draw, which means a lot of heat which means hot chip. :p:
TDP is not really that important. It is mainly a specification for Heatsink designers and motherboard manufactures for a worst case scenario type of thing. Like a future CPU that may have ridiculous clocks/voltages
Put it this way, the TDP for my 939 Opteron 165 is 110 Watts. My whole system only was drawing 180-200 Watts of AC power full CPU and 3D Load, and my power supply is only around 72% efficient. That is 130 to 140 Watts DC. That is with the Opteron Over-Volted to around 1.45 volts, @ 2.6GHz and an ATI x1800 GTO.
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I still wonder why 125 W TDP if e.g. 95 W was sufficient. :shrug:
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Originally Posted by
Calmatory
I still wonder why 125 W TDP if e.g. 95 W was sufficient. :shrug:
You can ask them why they rated 9950s with 140W rating at first,while it really pulled ~100W in full load :).That rating obviously is for reference only.BTW, the 2.8Ghz 920 part has the same rating of 125W,it must be "hot" too? :p:
We'll have to wait and see what power draw these thing really have,another month and that will no longer be the unknown characteristic.
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Originally Posted by
dread77
In mentioned OKTABIT screenshot the VCore is set in auto, and the motherboard is an ASUS M3A79-T. I can't say :D but most probably :D it can be stable with less VCore.
Most probably OKTABIT will be able to upload a couple of results just as an indication of what PhenomII is capable.:up:
I'm looking forward to it :) :up:
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Maybe they are leaving room for the increase in overclocking head room.
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http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/2935/piiyf7.jpg
I found this on another forum. Where does it come from?, does somebody know?
Also look at the II after Phenom, while early samples didn't have that. (old ones, 'Phenom tm')
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Oh, lol, didn't knew it came from XS :D
Thanks Eson.
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whats with the corners of the heat spreader? are they raised?
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Originally Posted by
G0ldBr1ck
whats with the corners of the heat spreader? are they raised?
To me it looks like marks from a cooler. Agree anyone?
My QX have some marks like that, only closer to each other.
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Originally Posted by
prostoman
To me it looks like marks from a cooler. Agree anyone?
My QX have some marks like that, only closer to each other.
they are going downward.. they are polished edges..not raised..
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Quite common on more recent AM2 chips (the higher corners)
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my 9950 looks the same.. and it is not raised... ;)
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Originally Posted by
charged3800z24
my 9950 looks the same.. and it is not raised... ;)
normal corners on 9850 as well. Its probly just from poor croping in photoshop..........(only joking Nedjo) :rofl:
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http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/amd/P..._X4-info-1.htm
http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/amd/P..._X4-info-2.htm
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Introduction to Phenom II X4 and Expected launch date of AMD Phenom II Processors
We received news that the expected launch date of the AMD Phenom II processors would be Jan 8 , 2009. Although it is a launch, retail products won't be available till Feb 4, 2009. Pre-orders should take place in from Jan 8 onwards.
The first two models that will appear would be model 920 and model 940. Both are 45nm.
Model 920 is rated 2.8GHz (14x200) and is a Quad Core processor. It has a HT link of 1.8GHz. It will have 256KB L1, 2M L2 and 6M L3 cache.
Model 940 is also quad core and is rated at 3GHz (15x200). it also has a HT LInk of 1.8GHz, 256KB L1, 2M L2 and 6M L3 cache.
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3DMark Vantage score running on AMD 790FX mainboard
The 3GHz processor is able to churn out impressive performance, scoring P8492 in the 3DMark Vantage test. A similar score can be obtained with a overclocked Core 2 Quad Q6600 at 3.6GHz with ATi Radeon HD 4870
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6...3dmarkvvx2.jpg
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I presume the i940 would be using a 4870 too, if all things were as equal as possible then that aint too bad...
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spicypixel
I presume thr q6600 would be using a 4870 too, if all things were as equal as possible then that aint too bad...
It's misleading since the 3.6GHz Q6600 also had a CPU score of 11540. Since the score is dominated by the video card, they could have find similar scores from Q6600s overclocked to 3GHz or lower.
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Face
I thought the ht would be 2.2ghz like shanghai?
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Face
Why does Windows report 16 gigs of ram?? Could they really be using 16 gigs?
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villa1n
I thought the ht would be 2.2ghz like shanghai?
Won't matter anyway, 1.8 GHz is plenty for the NB-CPU coms.
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JumpingJack
Won't matter anyway, 1.8 GHz is plenty for the NB-CPU coms.
I can agree, but I don't see what advantage it would have to down clock it vs their shanghai counterpart?
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villa1n
I can agree, but I don't see what advantage it would have to down clock it vs their shanghai counterpart?
Power. Lowering the HT clock will help a bit on staying within the thermal envelop they want to bin these chips into....
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JumpingJack
Why does Windows report 16 gigs of ram?? Could they really be using 16 gigs?
I thought single 4GB sticks were only possible with Registered DDR2. :/
EDIT: Stand corrected. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231183
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Macadamia
Same here, I was unware of 4 gig sticks ... never really looked for any either.
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JumpingJack
Power. Lowering the HT clock will help a bit on staying within the thermal envelop they want to bin these chips into....
the 2.7's are what 95W... i guess thats why the tdp will drop am3 then, new nb, ddr3 lower volts etc...
Makes sense, but given that they are essentially shanghai's should be easy to clock it right back up there no? ;)
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Hmm. If previous SuperPi scores were on 1.8Ghz, upping this is going to look fun.
I reckon it's because of lower L3 not getting in the way of higher clocks, or something similar.
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On that screen NB clock is only 1.8GHz. Surely AMD won't go lower than previous BE chips on a brand new core.
Also worth noting is memory setting for that run. DDR2 800 with CL6-6-6!
Looks like this run is crippled in more than one way to not upset too many people for now.
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There is an english version in OKTABIT's forum regarding the Phenom II upcoming review. Check it out, several HARD tests will be uploaded soon...:up:
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Lightman
On that screen NB clock is only 1.8GHz. Surely AMD won't go lower than previous BE chips on a brand new core.
Also worth noting is memory setting for that run. DDR2 800 with CL6-6-6!
Looks like this run is crippled in more than one way to not upset too many people for now.
Dont think crippled on purpose. If they are running 4 x 4GB sticks then that would explain the lax timings
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accord99
It's misleading since the 3.6GHz Q6600 also had a CPU score of 11540. Since the score is dominated by the video card, they could have find similar scores from Q6600s overclocked to 3GHz or lower.
Aye.. there are better scores too.. like this http://service.futuremark.com/result...eResultType=19 Q6600 @ 3GHz but GPU influenced the score. ;)
EDIT: Q9450 @ stock with similar (a bit higher) GPU score http://service.futuremark.com/result...eResultType=19
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Face
As far as I see the CPU score is 1306 for test 1.
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/img/200..._vantage_1.jpg
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...arkvantage.jpg
Doesnt really look good for Phenom II.
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Originally Posted by
Lightman
On that screen NB clock is only 1.8GHz. Surely AMD won't go lower than previous BE chips on a brand new core.
Also worth noting is memory setting for that run. DDR2 800 with CL6-6-6!
Looks like this run is crippled in more than one way to not upset too many people for now.
Seems like the bios does not recognize the CPU in a proper way. I remember 3 GHz Phenom II should have 2.2 Ghz for NB Speeds.Anyway, DDR2 800 and CL6 subtimings sucks :down:
Question: 3dmark06 used to score different between 32 and a 64 BIT OS, does 3dMarkVantage do the same ?
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Boschwanza
Seems like the bios does not recognize the CPU in a proper way. I remember 3 GHz Phenom II should have 2.2 Ghz for NB Speeds.Anyway, DDR2 800 and CL6 subtimings sucks :down:
If you look at the CPUZ memory SPD table, the RAM stick he used has CL6 timings. ;)
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dread77
There is an english version in
OKTABIT's forum regarding the Phenom II upcoming review. Check it out, several HARD tests will be uploaded soon...:up:
soon when ? when nda is over ?
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JumpingJack
Why does Windows report 16 gigs of ram?? Could they really be using 16 gigs?
yup there are already 4gb modules for ddr2, but to bad it seems they used the gskill sticks, they come with CL6. The OCZ come with CL5 and are also 4x4. :yepp:
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We received news that the expected launch date of the AMD Phenom II processors would be Jan 8 , 2009. Although it is a launch, retail products won't be available till Feb 4, 2009. Pre-orders should take place in from Jan 8 onwards.
Thanks Face,
Sounds like another delay here.
