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LOL..900 series...
And january ofcourse :p:
And another confirmation of 2 SKUs. AM2+ and AM3. Seems the 800 series chipset will be out in february.
In reference to this first pic, right side.
So AMD is suggesting 4 ghz on air, 4+ ghz on water? If that's true, either this will be great or
AMD is just blatantly lying through their teeth. We'll see.
I'd like to see the pricing policy over these new babies, if they're competitive enough, i might consider going back using AMD platform rather than upgrading to Yorkfield from my current 4.2 GHz Wolfdale + DFI board.
well 3ghz top bin was expected, since shanghai ships already at 2.7ghz.
Same 300mhz difference was between barcelona and phenom.
But a slightly lol at the numbering... now we have a CI7 920/940/965 and a P2 X4 910/925/940... come on amd... get more original. :p:
also source link missing...
Not original, but still funny if you ask me :yepp::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Let the race begin!...., in a few months i mean.
Woot Phenom X3 will have one core less and still same ammount of L3 as X4 :)
AMD's 940 will probably be priced somewhere around Intels 940, but with the unlocked multi and all that...
they might end up as competitive choice:shocked:
I can see the confusion on all tech boards now, a940 vs i940 xD
PS: I don't think the overclocking headroom thingie is a scam, since they're being really realistic about the 9950 ;)
Just a shame they wont even be close to one another in performance ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BieBiep
Seems AMD will have 3Ghz max for quite some time.
And whats the * for with the aircooling OC?
Especially for Superpi. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
A bit strange that the Socket AM2+ Deneb 920 (2,8 GHz.) has a TDP of 125 W. and the socket AM3 Deneb 925 (2,8 GHz.) has a TDP of 95 W. Why not do them both at 95 Watt?
I would really love it if the 940 BE can be had for under €200, that should make it a really nice deal compared to how Intel has it's lineup priced currently. Although Intel will probably react accordingly, which only gets AMD in a weaker position and that's why AMD will probably not do it.
Why does it have to be AMD? How bout "come on Intel" get more original! :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
If they perform better than a Yorkie at 4gz than I am buying one.
easy:Quote:
Originally Posted by m411b
1) intel already had a 9xx numbering scheme (e.g. PD 940 ;) )
2) intel already released Ci7.
Alright 4+GHz overclocking (water), sweet, time to move back to AMD:up: Yes, I believe them.
I think if these come out competitively amd will be able to gain marketshare with lower price.
They're trying to corner the market just as the did with 4000 series...can't wait to see the numbers.
AFAIK they want to price them very aggresively so i higky doubt that a940 will be more expensive than i7920.Quote:
Originally Posted by BieBiep
Well it looks like x4 940 will be my new CPU ;)
Indeed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
The i7 platform cost is too high, if Deneb finally delivers at 4GHz AMD here I come!
On a side note, everything has to be 9something, and all has to be copied in this world? ...
The * is explained in the Slide.
Itīs Advanced Clock Calibration = 790GX/790FX with SB750.
It also include AMD Overdrive.
Only depends on how P2 hold against yorkfield. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
If its slower c/c then theres no reason to switch, epseical when most of those who are interested already own a 775 platform.
Just Pop in a cheap Q9550 and go to 3,8ghz. High FSB is no miracle anymore with P45 and E0.
If your on a old platform then S939/AM2/775 not 45nm compatible P2 looks good. But also depends on the price, but looking at the past i think amd will grab this one.
If the are equal c/c it still depends on what you own already.
what else do you thinks its for. its so they aren't guarenteeing overclocks. i have never seen intel put any sort of "this is how high these processors could overclock" graphs out and if they did, you can sure bet that they'd have the * too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Wow a 790 board, DDR2, and that 940 chip is looking pretty good for the budget overclocker.
AMD has turned it into a race again, Jan 8th unlocked Phenom II .... coming to my motherboard soon :)
Platform? I'd wait for the Newest to wear off of X58. Get real here, the World's economy will bring down prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
I really hope AMD can pull it off. If they can, I'd try to think more realistic about the prices. Some one at AMD will do tests we'd never see and price them accordingly. Performance wise? If it falls anywhere near i7-940 get ready for an similar price. Anyone thinking it will be priced below the $320 a VAR offered to me (pre-order) for an i7-920 needs their head examined:D
My only concern is NOT the same name or number, but where it falls performance wise. I don't want to see an A-925 X4 running slower than the i7-920 for example, while costing more. More expensive platform or not.
looking forward to that, btw. when does you Ci7 arives. (if you have one ordered) :D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
True but I'm using a P43, not P45. I do have 6GB of good Mushkin PC-6400 and I haven't exactly killed the Idea of getting a 9550 or etc.. I looked at some X58's, 3 2GB sticks DDR3-1333 and the i920. I'll simply compare performance to Dollar ratio and run with it, Green or Blue is kind of over rated at this point for sure. AMD's price to performance ratio will matter more than anything, no matter what or how it is named:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Coming from a P45+E8400 combo, when you have to pay 260€ for the mobo, 260€ for the CPU and 150-200€ for 3x2GB DDR3 you start looking at what AMD has to offer with interest. The world's economy is not going to lower prices, at least not here (mainly because we are not as bad as the US). And if this thing can clock to 4+GHz with acceptable power consumption (with seems to be the case) and with better perfomance than current Yorks it's a no brainer for me. However, if I had the money I'd go for Nehalem, no doubts. Its perfomance is going to be higher.
That will not happen.If it's slower than i920 than you can bet it will be priced lower too.IT still depends whether one talks about out of the box performance(ie. turbo feature on i7 can make ipc comparison harder than usual-why not OC both chips to their maximum and test them in your preferred workload?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
But the total platform cost arguments still stands.Plus the chip has dual standard DDR support so you can use it with both types of RAM/boards.
actually it's about the 800 series that has 2MB less cache than the 900 series. I'd guess it's parts with defective L3 cache. This makes me wonder whether propus is actually a different mask without the L3Quote:
Originally Posted by CCUABIDExORxDIE
qfe,Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
but as you said it depends on the price/performance, a cpu is cheaper then a cpu and board. ;)
It will be around $299.usd:shocked:
Source ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell Hound
Someone did a screen capture of a Newegg page with i7 920 going for $319. WE ALL know about Newegg's priceing bot and how they aren't the cheapest site for any new item.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opteron146
QFT! That's why I never bought an Athlon FX:up: But did buy at least two of the cheaper models. I only had the 4400+ one week before a bud bought it from me. Still have the 3500+.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I'll wait for DDR3 to mature a little more, not that interested at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
I wish I could agree with you! Theory means nothing here. The Hard end result gained by hook or by cook will be the only thing that matters. MOST folks will only care about out of the box performance=P Sure we at XtremeSystems will care about overclocking but we are what, 1% of the market?
I'd NEVER bet on AMD's pricing policies. At times they seem more like P.T. Barnum and think most of us, even in this market, as suckers. Wouldn't be the first time we've seen odd ball prices. Sales will determine the real price but that's the way it should be:up:
Yeah, but for i7 you need ddr3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Of course, that's one reason Deneb is ahead for me, see earlier post?Quote:
Originally Posted by m^2
At least they're not called Phenom 20950 like it was initially rumored.. That would have been ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Oh and Donnie27 thinking about buying AMD? I had to look outside to see if the pigs started flying.. :eek:
there we go :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
Damn if deneb is 299$ then this will be a tougher choice then before...
Biggest unknown is the what DDR3 will do for Deneb in terms of performance, when comparing to competition both C2D & Nehalem , this may effect the pricing of Deneb.Amd will price Deneb keeping this "DDR3 FACTOR" in mind, even though ddr2 parts are coming out first , then ddr3 parts coming later. :)
So initially if Deneb is overpriced may be its bcz of the "DDR3 FACTOR" which comes later next year.
But I could be 100% wrong. :shrug:
Dear AMD I have completely lost faith in you over time. you use to be so fine back in the athlon XP and athlon 64 days, then you got beat and you panicked. You got all Fussy and released a processor with known errors to the market. I will give you one more chance. After I finish my nehalem !!!
The "DDR3 FACTOR" is meaningless for desktop apps, just look at Ci7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaber
About new Phenom prices.
Well, keep in mind what happend with 4850 and 4870.
AMD needs market share and I think they're a bit desperate.
We'll see but I think they will price Phenoms very agressively and that's what I've heard ;)
Its tough call , may be it differs from architecture to architecture , so untill I see the performance difference b/w ddr2 & ddr3 on Deneb , I won't assume any thing. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
But I am not expecting any huge but marginal gains in performance of Deneb going from ddr2 to ddr3. :)
Whoa, very nice!
That OC slide, not sure but I think it could be true actually. Reason for me that might make it questionable is that AMD never has been around a solid 4Ghz clock. Then again, as long as Im in hardware I never saw them releasing CPU's at 2.8~3Ghz right away either, so this certainly sounds promising.
Also it's a very good move they keep the BE-line. Even if it's only people with a bit of money just wanting to have fun, a BE CPU ain't very expensive, especially not compared against unlocked Intel CPU's. Im wondering more and more though what the FX-line will bring. Either they skip it again or it's some cherry picked batch with more cache and high/k and metal gates or something.
Almost made me feel stupid for ordering my new i7 already, but to be honest, why anyway. Ill keep the best parts from my system and upgrade to a Deneb when high/k and metal gates arrive, that should rock! I do not think Deneb will touch Bloomfield too much performance wise, but in price competition Im pretty sure, if those slides are true of course:p: Actually, it wont be even that hard to be competitive in price at all:p:
Im eagerly waiting for some reviews, that's for sure:up:
I am assembling the parts list now. I want some flexibility in the memory, so I am eyeballing 3x2 OCZ DD3-1600 C8 or Corsair DDR3-1600 C8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
So far the build will be Asus Rampage II Extreme, i7 965, DDR3-1600 ...
The Phenom II build will start with an older AM2+ board, but need to get one with a SB750 southbridge to make a fair OC compare.
Jack
ah, only one BE?
nice lineup and names, btw :ROTF:
this is starting to get interesting :up:
It won't do much I suspect -- mem BW is not a huge factor in desktop workloads. Maybe 5% on average better. It really depends on the quality of the IMC, the DDR2 IMC from AMD has been a bit weaker than the DDR IMC ... by that I mean in terms of squeezing out efficiency of the theoretical BW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaber
AMD should have unlocked the PII 920 and PII 925 too :(
Especially the PII 925, it would probably be able to reach higher clocks than the 940 and 920 cause of the lower heat dissipation.
My guess is another unlocked Phenom II clocked at 3.2GHz would follow a few months after that, maybe around April/May timeframe. But we'll see.
Theres no assumption, its logical reasoning... what did more bandwidth gave you on Phenom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaber
From ddr2-800 to dd2r-1200 there was virtually no improvment on most desktop apps (winrar aside :p: )
You won't notice any difference with ddr3, even with ddr3-2000.
Servers on the other hand will love bandwidth fir certain situations. :yepp:
Don't get too stingy. Unlocked multipliers, especially on a serial interconnect backbone, at 300 bucks or less is a gift. If AMD has done one thing well over the years is catering to the enthusiast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwidth
Unlocked multies is a gift, and getting them at low prices shows AMD's commitment to the advanced DIYer ... Intel should do a better job of embracing that market segment.
Regarding Phenom II 2.8GHz AM3 being rated 95W compared to 125W on the AM2+ version it might be caused by yet another revision of 45nm chip. Remember that AM3 part will be rev. C3! AMD might either bring more power savings thanks to revision changes or it simply expects to advance in manufacturing on this node before releasing AM3 SKUs.
If AMD was in the lead it would be 999-1499$ unlocked only.Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
Its just illusional different when your top CPU is a few 100$.
umm, the lower heat dissipation would be because it's clocked lower, and probably less voltage....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwidth
They'll be lower binned aswell....
*edit*
disregard that, it didn't register that you were comparing an AM3 chip to an AM2+ chip. Man, I should go to sleep, it's past 5.AM....
If those slides are true, my next CPU is a PII 940 for sure.
But then again, even if they're not quite true, my next CPU would still probably be a PII 940 anyway.
Very good point ... FX60, 62 were unlocked -- and as top dogs at their time were $1K cpus.. AMD produced the unlocked multi at the low price point for this very reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
I remember when Intel and AMD locked up the multipliers, and there as a huge moan and groan from the enthusiast market. :) .... rightly so... then they realized it could be made into a selling point... hence, $1K CPUs with unlocked multies.
The relationship between frequency and power is P=C*V^2*F, Fmax (max frequency) is related to the quality of the silicon as the inherent variability in each step toward making the CPU will cause subtle differences wafer to wafer or die to die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apokalipse
As a result, Intel and AMD bin the CPUs based on various voltage, fequency max, and other criteria. But the general power relationship will always hold. If a CPU is not meeting the stability, error rate standards at 3.0 GHz but does at 2.8 GHz, then it bins there... the power naturally will come out lower overall.
Depending on the Vcc and fequency, that total power can fall within a certain power envelop. So TDP ratings are power bins, just like frequency bins ... within the TDP bin different processors will produce different thermals, but to get within that bin they simply need to be at or less a certain power mark (i.e. TDP minus an engineering margin of error).
That's what I was thinking too, the PII 925 AM3 could be a newer stepping, and it's the highest clocked AM3 part, so they should unlock it too :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
If the past holds true with the newer Deneb core, the AM3's are lower wattage due to being set to use DDR3 memory. Since DDR3 uses less voltage than DDR2, they can run the NB at a lower voltage. Remember part of the problem with b2 phenoms burning out the nb because of the voltage difference between the nb and ram, especially when the Nb was run at lower than stock volts? I'm guessing the reason that there is only 1 BE proc on that line up is due to the fact that it's the last AM2+ proc for Deneb. The Phenom FX was suppose to be AM3, or G34, and will likely depend on whether it's performance competitive with what Intel has out.
Your '999$' part is a lot more correct than your '999-1499$' part though. You do however have a point there, but I never saw FX's above 1K really. That's Euro though, but we know how hardware prices were in those times compared to dollar prices. Shops obviously found dollar:euro= 1:1:rolleyes:. Intel however goes nuts on certain Extreme Edition prices, even when AMD was the leading one. Then again Intel has different levels of their Extreme Editions (now) as well, you're not forced to pay >=1K to get one;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
IMO, the pricing argument doesn't hold water. Intel was and is dictating the sku pricing, especially on desktop. When AMD was charging $1000 for their top of the line cpu's, Intel was charging $1000+, and selling LOADS of them. At that time, prior to litigation, Intel had a free reign on what prices they charged, and until AMD has the 30% MS they are targeting, they have to follow. It would have been pretty silly of them not to charge $1000 for their top of the line cpu, when they would have sold no more if they charged $500.
This is really good news for AMD (and the enthusiast consumer) if true. But you guys might want to curb your enthusiasm a little. These are just slides after all, not benches.
Finally!!! I can't wait.
Time to save my cents :D
Thanks for posting this! :toast:
Very interesting info, looks pretty good :cool:
Oh and that shows you for the Newbee you are LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by azraeel101
History!
P3 450
P3 550 (won it)
Athlon Classics
700
900
1GHz Tbird
1GHz P3 Cumine
1.3GHz TBird
1.7GHz P4
2GHz P4 B
AthlonXP 2300+
NW 2.6C
3500+
4400+
C2D E6600
C2D E8400
A few others I had for short times or built and didn't use much.
I hope we get some new AM2+ mobos.
I'd love one that's similar to the Rampage Extreme/Maximus II in looks and performance :)
Pity the ddr3 mobos don't launch same time as Phenom 2 940
Phenom 2 920 and 940 doesnt support DDR3. Hence their AM2+ package.Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
But the new 925 and 945 will.
They might be Hiding the FX realse with AM3...which would be the Unlocked version...It then might be a 125w variant. That's my guess...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwidth
Yeah I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
I'd love i7 but the extra cost doesn't warrant the extra speed that may be neglible. If AMD can come up with something competitive, then I'll jump ship :up:
Yeah, i got DFI LPUT X38, so i'm gonna consider the alternatives of going with Q9650 upgrade or platform changing upgrade with Deneb 940, when the time comes. I don't think Q9550 cuts it for my 4 GHz clock target, and 790GX/FX boards are quite reasonably priced, so if Deneb 940's priced aggressively against Q9650, i can see myself going back with AMD this round -if the cost is around the same, and the performance is comparable, i will support the underdog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Well, your defensive/offensive posting a long time back, which Im happy about, didnt really give a reason that you'd get an AMD anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Maybe I say it wrong... It's like you made make us, or me at least, think you trash the CPU manufacturer you dont use as your main system at that point.
But as said, luckily that was quite a while ago already, and this post does not give you any permission to do it again, be it Intel or AMD:p:
PS, I still didnt know how to explain my point, but maybe you more or less know what I mean heh. I do know you had an AMD system though:rolleyes:
I will believe a 4 GHz OC when I see bench screenshots. Like is always stated here... "Screenshots or it didn't happen". Validated Screens too, and not some bench or tool that nobody uses.
I've heard this too many times over the years and it has never materialized. If they pull it off great, and that's awesome.
I wouldnt call AOD 'a tool that nobody uses' though, shame that, AFAIK, indeed validation was missing.
Someones already done 4Ghz on a current 65nm Phenom.:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
(Yeah it wasn't stable or anything, but there are screenshots)
I really hope AMD can pull it together here. I haven't used anything since a Athlon XP 2500+ so it would be sweet to have a 'whoa this is fast' from AMD. I only went C2Q cause it's be touted so highly.
Off course it will do 4ghz, it already has done 4ghz. Don't you guys remember the Shangai/Deneb overclock @ coolalers forum?
Hope it turns out to be true.... I want it to at least match the 45nm core 2 quads in clock/clock performance and oc potential.
On a side note, i think they should drop the phenom moniker... The name is often associated with bugs, mediocre performance, high consumption, sub par OC, platform problems etc....
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Why can't you just have a conversation without acting like you're AMD yourself and something said about them is personal? I thought I gave a very good reason why Deneb is ahead FOR ME. I'm looking at either of the 920's and the performance to price ratio will be the deciding factor, not some misplaced love for either company. One more time, I'm a Fan of my Wallet, not Intel or AMD's. What's so hard for you to understand about being a consumer first??:confused: Look a little closer at my negative comments made about Intel and AMD?:cool:
I'd said months ago that if AMD shipped something worth a damned I'd buy it. Now I might simply put my money where I said I would.
I doubt that it can be o/c'ed to 4GHz on either air or water, otherwise AMD would be releasing a 3.2 GHz version at launch to go directly head-2-head against the i7 965.
Well, maybe only 5-10% of those cherry-picked chips can do 4GHz on water.. that's the most I can expect.
TDP?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
I think AMD knows they won't be able compete head on with the 965, from a performance perspective. A chip like that would probably not be worth it for AMD in other words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
I don't think 4 GHz. is too far to reach for AMD's Deneb, their Agena chips already do 3,5 GHz. quite often and their Deneb chips will launch at 400 MHz. faster than Agena. So it's not something that can only be done with a very small amount of chips, but it sure is not 100% guaranteed of course.
nice one. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
i also dont care if the pice of hardware in my computer is green ir blue, ore even pink. :p
all that matters for me is who delivers best performance. :)
I scanned the posts, so if this was covered, sorry....
Will you be able to OC in vista x64 and not be stuck with a 32bit OS for OCing? I would sell my mobo/x2 combo and buy that when it comes out for a htpc/2nd gaming pc if that's possible.
That is because you guys aren't mentally unbalanced. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I swear by VIA, what does that make me? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
@SyntheticKiller: I don't really understand your question...
AMD seems to mimic Intel model name so i bet that there is an Phenom X4 (FX?) 965 hidden somewhere :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
What would it take for the FX to challenge the Ci 7 965. I don't think 3.2ghz would be enough so it would have to be 3.4ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
So are they pushing out only "black" processors with unlocked multi's? That's what I'm seeing in that graphic.
Why would you be able to OC in a 32bit OS and not a 64bit OS? I'm pretty sure this isn't 2005 :PQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Synthetickiller
They have to end it with -on or -om, what do you suggest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonucci
AMD Pimptron X4? LOLOL
1) That is what it has been since they launched Phenom, so I would assume as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo112358
2) He is talking about compatibility for the AOD (Stands for AMD overdrive I think) utility in X64.
As to that, I don't know.
As to the topic:
This is somewhat convincing for me. However, I should probably get to RMA'ing my E8400 so I can actually utilize the rig that I started building last Christmas before I even THINK about buying new parts. :shrug:
What he means is, that most Phenom chips now have less headroom in 64bit OS's. Some around 200mhz less. I had this with my 9850BE... but oddly not the 9950BE, which was actually stable @ 3.4ghz. 3.3ghz was most stable in 32bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelCain
yeah I know first hand my 9850 here dose 3.1ghz in XP but vista 64 bit 2.8ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
I just hope AM3 mobos are nice, like real nice if these chips don't compete with i7s. I'm still real happy to see 8mb of cache
100% agree with this, until we see some head-to-head benches, slides and pie charts mean nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
On a different note, 3Ghz or 4Ghz doesn't mean jack if it isn't in the same league as the competition's 3Ghz or 4Ghz chips. I remember when a comapny, not to long ago, changed from listing the speed of the chip to what they felt it equated to the competion's chip based on benches and such. An 2000XP chip was supposed to be equivelent to an Intel 2Ghz chip even though it only ran at 1.6Ghz or such. Maybe Intel should do this, of course there wouldn't be any AMD chips that would match up based on their current line up. For AMD to get me to jump back on board with them, they will need their version of the C2D revolution where the new chip jumped so far out in front of everything on the market it wasn't funny.
Hopefully, this will be AMD's C2D moment and they will finally be competive again. As of right now, they aren't even the value leader since even the base Intel Quads do better than the best AMD quads. Now that I7's are out, I really do not see how AMD can get back into the game, but maybe this will do it for them. I do like the idea that they are not abandoning DDR2 quite yet like Intel is. Maybe that's a good sign.
Just as most consumers do:up: We saw this forum go from Intel to AMD and then back to Intel. Why wouldn't it swing again? I mean a real swing back to AMD and not a made up or imagined one.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Now honestly, do you think Intel would hold off on Mainstream and Budget Nehalems if AMD had better products on the market? Or even if AMD had higher Volumes of Mid to Low range products? Competition is a must!
:rofl::ROTF::clap: Good one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
I never say the word challenge...Quote:
Originally Posted by qurious63ss
Same here, my OC is about 200 MHz lower in 64-bit Vista.Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
If this is true... heck even if it is only partly true and 3.8GHz and beyond is only reachable with water - I am quite interested and would replace my q6600 with this :up: my q6600 only does 3.2GHz fully stable anyway. I went intel after being AMD for so long and I get an 'ok' clocking chip, booooo :p: Back to AMD :lol2:
If deneb really rocks it will be amazing to see how fast the review sites become unbiased again and stop being paid Intel pumpers in some peoples eyes lol. Reviews and benches will start to matter again and performance of the cpu will actually become important again, AHHH good times.
Just something to think about.
AMD HAS to be pull it off with Deneb.
After the horrible failure of Phenom, they absolutely have to bring something competitive to the table in order to sustain themselves, at the least.
The expectations are high, and they are rightly so.
This is a kind of market that needs more than just one player to sustain itself and keep on innovating.
I'm quite sure AMD realizes this completely and is doing what they can.
Just my 2 cents.