GREEN,The first Teflon Container

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11-14-2008, 02:01 PM
ARH

GREEN,The first Teflon Container

I want to show you our latest container which was build with special Teflon polymer body.

http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...3102008135.jpg

Objectivity:
The main purpose of designing this new container was exhibition in a public workshop, it should be beautiful. the insulation of the body in the all cooper based container was no suitable for our exhibition so we search for the other material to use instead of Aluminum and cooper for the body of the container. we found very special king of Teflon polymer which was molecular architectured for very low and very high temperature insulation.

http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...5102008101.jpg

The Teflon body of the container plus its funnel is very heavy and it's weight is around similar to our cooper body container.
the funnel designed to give all boiling LN2 drops when putting LN2 in it.

the bottom designed by cooper and it have special design for distribute the processor's heat.

http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...5102008106.jpg

http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...8102008114.jpg

and the name of our container hacked on it by CNC machine :
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http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...3102008120.jpg
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the pictures of container under extreme overclocking :
http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...ture%20005.jpg
http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...ture%20011.jpg
yes Biostar IP45 motherboard :up:
http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...ture%20018.jpg

http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...ture%20021.jpg

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Please leave your positive and NEGATIVE comments about this design here, thanks.

__________________________ Update: Performance and Insulation _______________________

I think that this design give an idea to the enthusiasts for building their new pots, but It is not good to look at this design only with positive manner. every container have some pros and drawbacks. yesterday I done a heavy LN2 OCing in our lab four about 6 hours to analysis GREEN performance and see some new records.
http://www.hwbot.org/signature.img?iid=167178

Temperature :
GREEN can easily reduce processor temperature up to -120 , I did not try lower temperature but I believe that it could reduce more.

http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...ture%20166.jpg

under burn state of process when I utilize CPU up to 100% load, Green could reduce temperature with low rate. so I decide to reduce it in ideal or power-off state and then run a burn process like Prime95. it means that GREEN can not reduce temperature with the speed of other full cooper based containers.
Also GREEN is very sensitive to processor temp, if there are no LN2 inside GREEN, the processor temp rapidly increase ( about 20-25 ^C in 5 min at ideal mode) by adding LN2, it can not reduce temp with the same speed. so we decided to power-off and reduce the temp to preferable degree.

these drawbacks come from small cooper which used in the bottom of container:

http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...8102008114.jpg

we predicted this phenomenon before designing and decide to add some fins and small blades inside it. but it can not help well. the only solution to reduce temperature sensitivity is using more heavier cooper in the bottom. some thing like a solid cooper with several tall vertical holes.

when the processor is turned-off the temperature is stable and reduce with very very low rate, increasing about 40 degree in about 45min.

Insulation :
as you can see we use this container without any insulation body, the Teflon can perfectly insulate LN2. blow you can see the insulation performance in the body of container after 2 hours LN2 run :
http://i33.tinypic.com/104p0xu.jpg
http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...ture%20175.jpg

after 4 hours LN2 run the situation change and snows grows in the bottom of containers.
http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...ture%20183.jpg
11-14-2008, 03:24 PM
Ozzfest05

Well I must be the first to say sweet I think its a great Idea the design however is the usual nothing has changed just the body im wondering though and I bet others are wondering the same does this cut cost down on making the pot and the body does it frost up as easy as copper or must you still insulated with frost king type pipe insulation.

The Teflon Funnel top is pretty innovative I really like that part is the teflon very durable?

Finaly how much are you selling for???
11-14-2008, 06:24 PM
G H Z

Very cool, innovative design guys :clap:

Hows the performance?
11-14-2008, 08:04 PM
Slovnaft

Hmm. interesting. I it's just your head holding load then. I mean, that's a relatively small surface area. Teflon is a thermal insulator right?
11-15-2008, 12:19 AM
ARH

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slovnaft

Hmm. interesting. I it's just your head holding load then. I mean, that's a relatively small surface area. Teflon is a thermal insulator right?

about the head holding, I believe that it have perfect size but the overall LN2 capacity is low and we need to fill it more time vs other ordinary containers.
yes Teflon is a good Thermal insulator, when it filled with LN2 you could easily touch its surface, surface temperature is just a little cooler than room normal temperature,
11-15-2008, 12:25 AM
HawaiianSupermn

Very nice, can you provide more comparison information with current full copper ln2 pots. Performance difference between the two.
11-15-2008, 12:58 AM
ARH

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozzfest05

Well I must be the first to say sweet I think its a great Idea the design however is the usual nothing has changed just the body im wondering though and I bet others are wondering the same does this cut cost down on making the pot and the body does it frost up as easy as copper or must you still insulated with frost king type pipe insulation.

thanks, you are right, it differ only in body and funnel with other cooper based containers. also we try to design the base cooper for perfectly distribute heat because the body here are insulator and can not distribute heat.

Quote:

The Teflon Funnel top is pretty innovative I really like that part is the teflon very durable?

Finaly how much are you selling for???

Yes, this kind of teflon have very high density and durable.

I think Piotr can help you about the price :D
11-15-2008, 01:07 AM
ARH

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawaiianSupermn

Very nice, can you provide more comparison information with current full copper ln2 pots. Performance difference between the two.

about the performance I can't say any thing until a practical run on both of them together. by the way the design of my cooper container is very different from this teflon based container, so it would be hard to say any thing about comparison.

The main advantages of teflon based Container :
- cheap
- easy to build and scrape
- good insulation and no need to additional insulation ( if you use the specific teflon model which is dedicated to run in low temperature )
11-15-2008, 01:10 AM
ARH

Quote:

Originally Posted by G H Z

Very cool, innovative design guys :clap:

Hows the performance?

thanks GHZ, tomorrow I am going to run another LN2 project with it, and I will update you about the performance as soon as possible. but what do you exactly want to know interm of performance ?
11-15-2008, 01:14 AM
K404

If Teflon is an insulator, that means all the heat is trapped in the copper base- it has nowhere to go.

Do you have any numbers for temperature at idle Vs load and progression of temperature as the session went on? :)

K

Its different, il give you that! :)
11-16-2008, 04:07 AM
piotres

Hi

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARH

I think Piotr can help you about the price :D

Me ? Or not me ? :p:

Container is looking VERY nice, for me it's best looking pot I've ever seen .

Pimp is also that with teflon You don't need to use insulation on tube :D.

only price is ...High (the price You wrote me) . So for sure I can't said it's cheap .

Regards
Good luck
Peter
11-17-2008, 02:35 PM
JamesBong420

Quote:

Originally Posted by piotres

Hi

Me ? Or not me ? :p:

Container is looking VERY nice, for me it's best looking pot I've ever seen .

Pimp is also that with teflon You don't need to use insulation on tube :D.

only price is ...High (the price You wrote me) . So for sure I can't said it's cheap .

Regards
Good luck
Peter

i think there is a new fad about to start!!!! :yepp::p::D:up: by far the cleanest looking pot I have ever seen!!
11-18-2008, 10:34 AM
Josifek

Trully innovative desing. I believe the best fact is that no additional insulation is needed. The top evap enhancer also looks cool :up: I wonder if this catches up in the whole OC community:woot:
11-19-2008, 12:50 AM
Hennels

Loos pretty sweet! Well done.

All it needs is to be painted black ( I do realize it absorbs heat more)
11-19-2008, 02:30 AM
pxhx

very smart! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
looks nice...
11-19-2008, 02:37 AM
ViViD

It's Realy Nice Green Logo :D

You Make US Proud....Good Luck twonsman
11-19-2008, 02:09 PM
s e r e n i t y

Thats a rather interesting design. LN2/DIce pots have so far to come in design and materials.. I'm looking forward in 10 years time when we can use other alternatives to cool down our CPUs.

Also, what "exhibition" was it?
11-20-2008, 07:26 AM
ARH

Quote:

Originally Posted by s e r e n i t y

Also, what "exhibition" was it?

Hi
IRAN ELECOMP 2008 , it is the biggest ICT exhibition in IRAN which holds every year in Tehran.
11-20-2008, 08:28 AM
ARH

Update: Performance and drawbacks

I think that this design give an idea to the enthusiasts for building their new pots, but It is not good to look at this design only with positive manner. every container have some pros and drawbacks. yesterday I done a heavy LN2 OCing in our lab four about 6 hours to analysis GREEN performance and see some new records.
http://www.hwbot.org/signature.img?iid=167178

Temperature :
GREEN can easily reduce processor temperature up to -120 , I did not try lower temperature but I believe that it could reduce more.

http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...ture%20166.jpg

under burn state of process when I utilize CPU up to 100% load, Green could reduce temperature with low rate. so I decide to reduce it in ideal or power-off state and then run a burn process like Prime95. it means that GREEN can not reduce temperature with the speed of other full cooper based containers.
Also GREEN is very sensitive to processor temp, if there are no LN2 inside GREEN, the processor temp rapidly increase ( about 20-25 ^C in 5 min at ideal mode) by adding LN2, it can not reduce temp with the same speed. so we decided to power-off and reduce the temp to preferable degree.

these drawbacks come from small cooper which used in the bottom of container:

http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...8102008114.jpg

we predicted this phenomenon before designing and decide to add some fins and small blades inside it. but it can not help well. the only solution to reduce temperature sensitivity is using more heavier cooper in the bottom. some thing like a solid cooper with several tall vertical holes.

when the processor is turned-off the temperature is stable and reduce with very very low rate, increasing about 40 degree in about 45min.

Insulation :
as you can see we use this container without any insulation body, the Teflon can perfectly insulate LN2. blow you can see the insulation performance in the body of container after 2 hours LN2 run :
http://i33.tinypic.com/104p0xu.jpg
http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...ture%20175.jpg

after 4 hours LN2 run the situation change and snows grows in the bottom of containers.
http://haghdoost.persiangig.com/imag...ture%20183.jpg
11-20-2008, 08:33 AM
Eldonko

GJ mate, very innovative idea!
11-23-2008, 01:51 PM
teyber

sorry for thread jack adn thread revival-

but i one up you and made a plastic base! LOL
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...h_DSCN2805.jpg
it will PWN copper! :rofl::rofl::shrug::rolleyes:
11-24-2008, 09:08 AM
ARH

Quote:

Originally Posted by teyber

sorry for thread jack adn thread revival-

but i one up you and made a plastic base! LOL
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...h_DSCN2805.jpg
it will PWN copper! :rofl::rofl::shrug::rolleyes:

Sorry, I can't understand, did you say that you want to build similar pot with plastic base :confused: ?
11-24-2008, 09:26 AM
Solarfall

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARH

Sorry, I can't understand, did you say that you want to build similar pot with plastic base :confused: ?

heheh i think it was meant as a joke :D
11-24-2008, 10:18 AM
MidgetMariachi

Nice design! How much did it cost you?

Midget Mariachi http://photo-shack.com/img/c930eecd0...cc445f708f.gif
11-24-2008, 12:18 PM
teyber

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARH

Sorry, I can't understand, did you say that you want to build similar pot with plastic base :confused: ?

i DID build one with plastic base! :ROTF: (as a joke)
11-24-2008, 08:33 PM
ARH

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidgetMariachi

Nice design! How much did it cost you?

Midget Mariachi http://photo-shack.com/img/c930eecd0...cc445f708f.gif

Check your private massage :D maybe some one here can build this container with better price.
11-30-2008, 03:36 PM
Thunder Boy

Great container love teflon isulation(non:D)
Pm me the price please ;D
Thanks
Cumps
12-02-2008, 08:01 AM
drnip

Very nice indeed!!!
12-13-2008, 05:42 AM
Hazzan

new design I love it.........:up::up: